When comparing the 99-04 cars to the 05+ cars, it's a tough call. Both have their ups and downs. I think it comes to peronal choice. Right now for me, I've got too much dumped into my 2000. I'll never recover the cost, so I'm gonna drive it 'til the wheels fall off (figuratively, I hope). The new 4.0L is a proven Ford motor that has seen the test of time (as stated). I've got a 4.0L in my Exploder. I love that thing. I had the 3.8L in my car, and swapped in the 4.2L motor. I like all three. The new Mustang's SOHC will prove itself to be a good move by Ford. Time will show that. I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner.
Other than that, it comes down to which body style you like better for the money..
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Not sure why anyone would doubt you. I've drive an S197 GT and V6, an SN95 convertable, an old fox 302, and my pops has a Mustang II.. The mustangs previous to the S197 had horrible interiour. The reason the old 3.8's were "sluggish" was because of the transmission. I believe there is a 10HP difference between the 3.8 and the 4.0
ya the 4R70W is a bit of a turd, ive heard of some higher HP s197s swaping out the 5R55 in the s197s for the 4Rs any truth to that?
Not sure why anyone would doubt you. I've drive an S197 GT and V6, an SN95 convertable, an old fox 302, and my pops has a Mustang II.. The mustangs previous to the S197 had horrible interiour. The reason the old 3.8's were "sluggish" was because of the transmission. I believe there is a 10HP difference between the 3.8 and the 4.0
ya the 4R70W is a bit of a turd, ive heard of some higher HP s197s swaping out the 5R55 in the s197s for the 4Rs any truth to that?
Sorry to bring up an old thread, but just noticed this. mustangman, yes, I know of a couple that have swaped out to 4R70's on the new S197's at the track.
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Mustangman has (or had) a new edge v6. So he does know but he alway shas bashed the s197s a little bit o_O As far as what i think is the s197s are a lot more roomy on the inside than the new edge. Thats all the difference i need
EDIT : Man i just noticed this thread is old what was your decision
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Mustangman has (or had) a new edge v6. So he does know but he alway shas bashed the s197s a little bit o_O As far as what i think is the s197s are a lot more roomy on the inside than the new edge. Thats all the difference i need
EDIT : Man i just noticed this thread is old what was your decision
ha...i've already seen older ones rise again. always thought mustangs were cool but it wasn't until the s197 came out that i had to have one. the interior is hella cool also. much better than the crap of the previous years and much diff than the typical import styles. IMO, very appropriate for the awesome exterior.
wonder if this dusty thread will build up steam again
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Mustangman has (or had) a new edge v6. So he does know but he alway shas bashed the s197s a little bit o_O As far as what i think is the s197s are a lot more roomy on the inside than the new edge. Thats all the difference i need
EDIT : Man i just noticed this thread is old what was your decision
i dont ever recall full out bashing them, espcially in this section tho i might of said a few things in OT,
however when you guys start saying interiors are sooo much nicer and theres so much more power then the old ones, yada yada yada, i come back and just say, well both interiors suck, but if you buy a stang, you dont buy it for luxery
ive ownes stangs, camaro, and a few other differnt things, im not a die hard anything fan, ill point out flaws in any vehicle
anyone on here swapped in a 4R and hows that at the track? and why no C4?
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Mustangman has (or had) a new edge v6. So he does know but he alway shas bashed the s197s a little bit o_O As far as what i think is the s197s are a lot more roomy on the inside than the new edge. Thats all the difference i need
EDIT : Man i just noticed this thread is old what was your decision
i dont ever recall full out bashing them, espcially in this section tho i might of said a few things in OT,
however when you guys start saying interiors are sooo much nicer and theres so much more power then the old ones, yada yada yada, i come back and just say, well both interiors suck, but if you buy a stang, you dont buy it for luxery
ive ownes stangs, camaro, and a few other differnt things, im not a die hard anything fan, ill point out flaws in any vehicle
anyone on here swapped in a 4R and hows that at the track? and why no C4?
I'm looking at 3 options for my tranny, a built up 5r55, c4 and a 4r. I'm leaning towards a built up 5r right now.
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Mustangman has (or had) a new edge v6. So he does know but he alway shas bashed the s197s a little bit o_O As far as what i think is the s197s are a lot more roomy on the inside than the new edge. Thats all the difference i need
EDIT : Man i just noticed this thread is old what was your decision
i dont ever recall full out bashing them, espcially in this section tho i might of said a few things in OT,
however when you guys start saying interiors are sooo much nicer and theres so much more power then the old ones, yada yada yada, i come back and just say, well both interiors suck, but if you buy a stang, you dont buy it for luxery
ive ownes stangs, camaro, and a few other differnt things, im not a die hard anything fan, ill point out flaws in any vehicle
anyone on here swapped in a 4R and hows that at the track? and why no C4?
well i remember one time you said something about the 4.0 not making low end torque as well as the 3.8, when the 4.0 makes considerably more only like...i think it was 400 rpm's later (peak for 4.0 vs peak for 3.8). It's like 240 ft lbs @3500 rpm's vs 220 @ 2800....well i've never seen a car making only 220-240 ft lbs at peak spike from 220 to 240 in only 600 rpm's so what im assuming is the 4.0 makes just as much low end torque, but keeps it there and keeps building on it. I just thought it was funny when you said that and that it showed you are biased, but in all fairness, im sure im unwillingly bias towards the s197's.
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Mustangman has (or had) a new edge v6. So he does know but he alway shas bashed the s197s a little bit o_O As far as what i think is the s197s are a lot more roomy on the inside than the new edge. Thats all the difference i need
EDIT : Man i just noticed this thread is old what was your decision
i dont ever recall full out bashing them, espcially in this section tho i might of said a few things in OT,
however when you guys start saying interiors are sooo much nicer and theres so much more power then the old ones, yada yada yada, i come back and just say, well both interiors suck, but if you buy a stang, you dont buy it for luxery
ive ownes stangs, camaro, and a few other differnt things, im not a die hard anything fan, ill point out flaws in any vehicle
anyone on here swapped in a 4R and hows that at the track? and why no C4?
well i remember one time you said something about the 4.0 not making low end torque as well as the 3.8, when the 4.0 makes considerably more only like...i think it was 400 rpm's later (peak for 4.0 vs peak for 3.8). It's like 240 ft lbs @3500 rpm's vs 220 @ 2800....well i've never seen a car making only 220-240 ft lbs at peak spike from 220 to 240 in only 600 rpm's so what im assuming is the 4.0 makes just as much low end torque, but keeps it there and keeps building on it. I just thought it was funny when you said that and that it showed you are biased, but in all fairness, im sure im unwillingly bias towards the s197's.
was that the whole thing with the torque management system and drive by wire on the autos? cause i believe the way i worded it was that the 4.0s feel like they have a slightly better top end
this is a tech section, so to my rememberance (which can be fuzzy att imes) ive never full out bashed them in here, more of just voicing opinions and pointing things out
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Crap, I didn't mean to revive the debate. I was searching for transmissions and responded to this thread. Both the 3.8 and 4.0 are strong motors, with pros and cons for each.
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Mustangman has (or had) a new edge v6. So he does know but he alway shas bashed the s197s a little bit o_O As far as what i think is the s197s are a lot more roomy on the inside than the new edge. Thats all the difference i need
EDIT : Man i just noticed this thread is old what was your decision
i dont ever recall full out bashing them, espcially in this section tho i might of said a few things in OT,
however when you guys start saying interiors are sooo much nicer and theres so much more power then the old ones, yada yada yada, i come back and just say, well both interiors suck, but if you buy a stang, you dont buy it for luxery
ive ownes stangs, camaro, and a few other differnt things, im not a die hard anything fan, ill point out flaws in any vehicle
anyone on here swapped in a 4R and hows that at the track? and why no C4?
well i remember one time you said something about the 4.0 not making low end torque as well as the 3.8, when the 4.0 makes considerably more only like...i think it was 400 rpm's later (peak for 4.0 vs peak for 3.8). It's like 240 ft lbs @3500 rpm's vs 220 @ 2800....well i've never seen a car making only 220-240 ft lbs at peak spike from 220 to 240 in only 600 rpm's so what im assuming is the 4.0 makes just as much low end torque, but keeps it there and keeps building on it. I just thought it was funny when you said that and that it showed you are biased, but in all fairness, im sure im unwillingly bias towards the s197's.
well said caca boy. i'm biased towards the s197 also but realistic at the same time. the interior does use cheaper materials and on some parts, flat out inferior but its sure a hell of a lot better to look at than the other late model interiors. to be honest, the previous model interiors look damn close to my '98 ranger. i ain't kidding!
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Crap, I didn't mean to revive the debate. I was searching for transmissions and responded to this thread. Both the 3.8 and 4.0 are strong motors, with pros and cons for each.
New V6s would smoke that 2004 V6 stock for stock...especially with a manual. I know because:
1. I test drove 2002-2004s before I bought my 2005. 2. My friend has an 2003 GT that I can keep up with. 3. I've raced and beat older V6s too many times. 4. Bigger motor, more HP, more stable ride, nicer interior.
2004 3.8 V6 Mustang 193HP / 225 TQ
2007 4.0 V6 Mustang 210 HP / 240 TQ
1.) your friend needs to learn how to drive 2.) 1-2ish car difference in a race between the two 3.) wow, 7- 12 more cubic inches, big deal they ride about the same, and both the interiors are cheap and suck
I'm pretty sure all stock American car interiors don't look great...
i have driven both, my mom has a 2004 v6 and ive got the 06 v6 and the newer one is deff. much faster, looks better, and drives better, not to mention a much nicer interior
MustangMan, What car did u take 05+ GT's with? ur 02 V6 Stang? or camaro? I find it hard to believe that ur V6 stang could take a new GT, even if it's stock. And if it's a vert that's almost another half a second slower than a non vert stang(addition of weight and less aerodynamic even with top up). Unless ur running a power added at 10psi, I don't think even a complete engine overhaul(heads/Cam/Intake) would make u faster than them. I agree with u that our transmissions are not as good as the old ones since there new. With any thing new it takes time to perfect I agree with u on the fact that 3.8/3.9's have more potential due to cam/intake/heads availability for those models. Our cars are too know where the prices for our aftermarket parts beyond bolt-ons are even reasonable. But I disagree with u about the interiors. I know both chevy and ford interiors are cheap but at least ford revamped their interiors in the 05+ where they actually look pretty damn nice. Ebay and u can see the huge difference between ur cars and ours. I've seen the camaro's cheap interior look but not with the new stang's. I've seen the cheap backseats in the camaro's that look like you can barely fit a skinny person's in those tight bucket like seats. The stang's back is nice and open with lines and stang signs with a little higher roof (It's still a little small though, have had some 5'10'' friends sit in back and when I hit a larger than normal bump they hit their head on my roof or rear windshield a few times). Stock for stock though with stang's the 4.0 is a lot better, especially the auto with the extra gear. stock for stock the manual 3.8/3.9's are about half a second slower than the manual 4.0's in the quarter. But the auto's are about 8 or 9 tenths different. Hope this helps people.
Just some #'s for ur vert 02 V6 (manual-good driver) vs a 05+GT= 7.4,7.5-5.3 that's over a 2 second difference on a stock GT. How many people keep their stang's stock anyway(5%Tops is my guess).
Just some #'s for ur vert 02 V6 (manual-good driver) vs a 05+GT= 7.4,7.5-5.3 that's over a 2 second difference on a stock GT. How many people keep their stang's stock anyway(5%Tops is my guess).
Actually, its the reverse. 90% or more people keep thier cars stock. Now, on these mustang forum sites, I would say that very little people have stock cars.
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Forgot about the trottle lag, not all 4.0's have it. About half of the auto's from the factory do I'd say, never heard of a manual car having it. Mine didn't and a lot of other's didn't either. So don't believe the throttle lag thing until you've talked to people or driven a few yourself. And 99-04's have lag. From the factory, Ford doesn't tighten the throttle body cord connected to your pedal all the way. So actually when you think u have WOT, it's actually about 80-90% open. U have to tighten it to fix it. 4.0's are fast stock, no question about it. I've heard of them close to running with stock 5.0's which is pretty good for a 6. Plus stop bragging about the true trac over a T-Lok. I asked my mechanic about the difference he said true trac's are only really meant for high hp(350-400+) car's. And he said if people had their T-Lok's break it was definitly a mechanic's flaw, probably rushed it or didn't double check it. With T-Lok's he installs he said he test them out first and double checks everything to make sure it's stable and strong, he then decides and if he thinks it's weak he would call the person who owns the car up and tell them about it before he finishes it and drops the car. Sorry about all this info to prove u wrong mustangman, just trying to put out correct info instead of people believing the wrong stuff.
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) ive never full out bashed them in here, more of just voicing opinions and pointing things out
