I just traded in my 03 v6 for a 05 v6. I love the 05 and is an all around better car. Definitely quicker and looks much better. I loved the 03 but I got to say I have no regrets. And my dad has an 03 GT that I have driven many times and the 05 v6 will keep up. It will lose but not by much.
Engine wise it remains to be seen. Only time will tell which engine is better under FI conditions or extreme build ups. Remember, there are 3.8/9s running in the 9s and 10s. Justins 3.8 is running 10s on the stock block. As for NA with bolt ons, that goes to the 4.0 over the 3.8/9s.
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New V6s would smoke that 2004 V6 stock for stock...especially with a manual. I know because:
1. I test drove 2002-2004s before I bought my 2005. 2. My friend has an 2003 GT that I can keep up with. 3. I've raced and beat older V6s too many times. 4. Bigger motor, more HP, more stable ride, nicer interior.
2004 3.8 V6 Mustang 193HP / 225 TQ
2007 4.0 V6 Mustang 210 HP / 240 TQ
1.) your friend needs to learn how to drive 2.) 1-2ish car difference in a race between the two 3.) wow, 7- 12 more cubic inches, big deal they ride about the same, and both the interiors are cheap and suck
Unless you've driven both, you are offering no insight here, Camaro dude. I've raced older V6 Mustangs and haven't encountered one yet that has been within 2 cars. I've beaten a '89, '95 and '98 GT. I owned a 3.8 V6 and I beat more cars now then I ever could with my old Mustang. There are 4.0's on this site that could smoke your Camaro. You imply that a "1-2ish" car difference is not alot? Well, there are plenty of other 4.0's on this site that might only lose to you by "1-2ish" cars. A win is a win.
I also find it hilarious that you call the Mustang interior cheap. Man, take a look at ANY GM interior! The '92 Camaro is certainly not the epitome of style.
i have driven both, the 05s have a throttle lag delay that drove me up the f*cking wall overall, it wasnt that much faster, ive taken down those same year GTs in my v6, wopty doo, they are the slowest year mustang GTs of modern day. where did i ever say anything about smoking cars in my camaro again? i never said my interior was any better, overall, ya, its somewhat of an improvement, but its still cheap, and that still doesnt change the fact that a low 15 second car is haning with a low 14 second car
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Engine wise it remains to be seen. Only time will tell which engine is better under FI conditions or extreme build ups. Remember, there are 3.8/9s running in the 9s and 10s. Justins 3.8 is running 10s on the stock block. As for NA with bolt ons, that goes to the 4.0 over the 3.8/9s.
Right now, 10.90's on stock block and stock internals is the best ET out of the 4.0. That is with dual power adders. PH is running 11.4x I think, but that is with a 128ish mph trap speed, once they get a new tranny, that car will run 10's easy. The PH car is stock block and internals as well.
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New V6s would smoke that 2004 V6 stock for stock...especially with a manual. I know because:
1. I test drove 2002-2004s before I bought my 2005. 2. My friend has an 2003 GT that I can keep up with. 3. I've raced and beat older V6s too many times. 4. Bigger motor, more HP, more stable ride, nicer interior.
2004 3.8 V6 Mustang 193HP / 225 TQ
2007 4.0 V6 Mustang 210 HP / 240 TQ
1.) your friend needs to learn how to drive 2.) 1-2ish car difference in a race between the two 3.) wow, 7- 12 more cubic inches, big deal they ride about the same, and both the interiors are cheap and suck
Unless you've driven both, you are offering no insight here, Camaro dude. I've raced older V6 Mustangs and haven't encountered one yet that has been within 2 cars. I've beaten a '89, '95 and '98 GT. I owned a 3.8 V6 and I beat more cars now then I ever could with my old Mustang. There are 4.0's on this site that could smoke your Camaro. You imply that a "1-2ish" car difference is not alot? Well, there are plenty of other 4.0's on this site that might only lose to you by "1-2ish" cars. A win is a win.
I also find it hilarious that you call the Mustang interior cheap. Man, take a look at ANY GM interior! The '92 Camaro is certainly not the epitome of style.
i have driven both, the 05s have a throttle lag delay that drove me up the f*cking wall overall, it wasnt that much faster, ive taken down those same year GTs in my v6, wopty doo, they are the slowest year mustang GTs of modern day. where did i ever say anything about smoking cars in my camaro again? i never said my interior was any better, overall, ya, its somewhat of an improvement, but its still cheap, and that still doesnt change the fact that a low 15 second car is haning with a low 14 second car
you aren't actually saying that the crap interior on your 92 camaro is better than the 05+ interior, because you are crazy
You gotta admit though...even though the new Mustangs are a lot nicer looking, them Camaro motors are pretty intimidating. I wanted one back in the day (2002) just because of the motor.
I really don't hate chevys they do have good motors, but iam more of a ford fan chevy just bores me.its like a old peoples car just plane jane zzzzzzzzz lol But thanks for all the adivse and your opionions but i think iam going for the 07 or 08 model cause i can't sell my car tell june thats when my aunt wants too buy it for 12,000 $ if there is anything esle to say about the 07 please feel free too tell me
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sorry little typo there
never said my interior was any better, from the sn95-s197s overall, ya, its somewhat of an improvement, but they are both still cheap, then again, if you want a luxury car, buy a lexus
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Right now, 10.90's on stock block and stock internals is the best ET out of the 4.0. That is with dual power adders. PH is running 11.4x I think, but that is with a 128ish mph trap speed, once they get a new tranny, that car will run 10's easy. The PH car is stock block and internals as well.
so a blower/turbo and nitrous on a stock motor, the 4.0s are a little tougher then i thought, is theirs an automatic? ive heard of people swaping in c4s or even the old 4R70Ws because they hold more power then the 5r55 whatever any truth to that? i dont really know much about the new trannys, other then they shift alot better then the old 4R70s
unfortuantly, probably no one will know the full potential of the 4.0s just like the old motors because its a v6 and its "missing" 2 cylenders
Right now, 10.90's on stock block and stock internals is the best ET out of the 4.0. That is with dual power adders. PH is running 11.4x I think, but that is with a 128ish mph trap speed, once they get a new tranny, that car will run 10's easy. The PH car is stock block and internals as well.
so a blower/turbo and nitrous on a stock motor, the 4.0s are a little tougher then i thought, is theirs an automatic? ive heard of people swaping in c4s or even the old 4R70Ws because they hold more power then the 5r55 whatever any truth to that? i dont really know much about the new trannys, other then they shift alot better then the old 4R70s
unfortuantly, probably no one will know the full potential of the 4.0s just like the old motors because its a v6 and its "missing" 2 cylenders
Actually the 10 second ET was with a Vortech and 75hp shot of juice by Pauls High Performance. The PH car is still in the 11's, but trap MPH is indicative of a 10 second et once they get the tranny in. Pauls had the same tranny problems as PH, and had a custom one built to get 10s. Powerhouses tranny goes in this week, so they will probably be in the 10s soon as well. Both cars are manuals.
Mine is an auto, and I'm gunning for 10's this season.
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shouldn't even be an argument...there is no comparing the two cars...if you get away from pure speed the S197 is much better than any of its recent predecessors...even then the V6 base model is much more powerful than the previous base model...anyone who tells you different hasn't driven both...but it this way...I would have NEVER bought a Stang unless the S197 came out...its a much better car...
i do assume you only mean gts, and 6ers right? because the machs and cobras of 03-04 are amazing. the terminators can make power like its nothing they are crazy. but yes in terms of gts and 6ers the s197 platform takes the cake. no question but you can make new edges keep up and win fairly easy. it all depends on fi you wana go mod for mod or bang for your buck. price wise you could get the new edge and take the difference you would have spent and make it faster. or if you go mod for mod the s197 will win always 3v>2v. (thats for the gts)
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shouldn't even be an argument...there is no comparing the two cars...if you get away from pure speed the S197 is much better than any of its recent predecessors...even then the V6 base model is much more powerful than the previous base model...anyone who tells you different hasn't driven both...but it this way...I would have NEVER bought a Stang unless the S197 came out...its a much better car...
if you want pure speed from the factory then why not buy a GT?
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