For those of you who painted with rustoleum
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For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/11/2007 5:20:08 PM
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MidNite27
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I'm doin my hood this weekend. I'm on my 3rd coat, wet sanded after the first 2 and she likes to keep the orange peel. So i was wondering from those of you who have done it how did u get decent flatness? And how thick did u put on the paint?
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/11/2007 5:49:50 PM
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MC
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Not personally with rustoleum but pain in general, the books i have they key in on the sanding. If orange peel shows up ,then you sand it away. then you should be done. maybe lay it on thicker and sand off more when you finish, then a good buff job should do the trick. Im taking mine down to bare metal and i know the feeling of not wanting to sand deeper. but the peel should dissappear after the final sanding. Good luck!!!
You said your on two coats. what coats?(Primer,Sealer,Clear,Paint)
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/11/2007 6:26:59 PM
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MC
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I would think you need it thick enough to sand off the peel, just a real high grit, Im suprised they dont have a Clear coat
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/11/2007 6:27:59 PM
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fastbackford351
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Hit it with a heat gun and it will smooth right out....Rustoleum likes heat.
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/11/2007 6:49:59 PM
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Niteshade
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I've been doing my car for a month now, and perfecting the process. I had a lot of orange peel first but to go back to what the original post from the Mopar forums stated, "you have to get the right consistency". It sounds like your paint is not thin enough.
My experience so far is that I have a tendency to want to get the most coverage from each coat. I had to throw that notion out. Thin the paint to the consistency of milk and apply it. The bubbles created by the rolling should all disappear within 2 minutes, but most will be gone it a matter of seconds. If you have orange peel either take the time to sand it all out. It sounds to me like you are not putting enough mineral spirits in the paint so it is not thin enough to flatten out.
I have been applying white paint and I am not getting coverage over a burgandy color until at least the 5th coat. I purchased a new front valance panel and it came painted black. I bet I have 10 coats on that sucker, but it looks really nice now.
For the first 2 coats I have been using 600 grit to sand, and then 1000 after each 2 coats from there. After the last coat I used 2000 grit before going to a Meguiar's Glazing compound. I tried the rubbing compund, and the Polishing compound, but I never got the sheen I was after. Perhaps a more expensive polishing compound would be good, but I used the Turtle wax product ($5) that was suggested in the original post.
I also done a darker color and I found that the paint didn't apply as well, but the white I am using now is coming out great. What color are you applying?
Let me know if I can help in anyway.
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/11/2007 9:06:03 PM
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JMD
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ORIGINAL: MidNite27
I'm doing Glossy Black. And yeah u sound right, just not enough acetone. I'ma wait for this coat to dry then i'ma wetsand it with 1000 grit. If it still looks iffy i will do another coat with noticble more acetone.
Are you using this rustoleum as a finish paint?
Either way you should be able to do your preliminary sanding at 400 grit wet, and then if you need to sand out the final coat use 1000 or 1500 then rub out/polish.
It is my understanding that orange peel is somewhat a mystery as to why it happens sometimes and not others, although temperature is often a factor. At times, what we think of as orange peel is oil, wax, or silicone migrating through the paint from the surface. It is "wicked up" by the solvents in the paint. When this happens it will continue to show with each coat. (not saying this is your issue)
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/12/2007 2:04:17 AM
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Galactusz
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Don't use acetone, use mineral spirits instead (it comes out better in my opinion), and mix it half and half, 50% rustoleum, and 50% mineral spirits, oh, and do NOT shake the mixtures, stir, stir away.
And like the guys said, increase the sandpaper grit as you move from coat to coat, from around 400 grit to eventually up to 2000 grit.
I have 3 coats on a hood I'm experimenting in, but stopped because of the weather, but will start up again soon.
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/12/2007 2:06:48 AM
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Galactusz
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i was planning to start this tomorrow on my car and was wondering, approximately how many coats could i expect to need for full coverage? i heard to expect for it to take about 7 coats, how does that sound? and does anyone know how long i should wait between coats? the weather is great this week and i want to get it done while it looks good. thanks
I hear 7 coats is the way to go.
I would say if the weather is warm, coat that puppy every other day.
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/12/2007 2:19:56 AM
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JMD
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this to me is still a crazy idea id rather rattle can prime a car then rent a paint gun,compresor and lay down some single stage and if it doesnt turn out then do it again alot less labor intensive also
Yea, Un-catylized paint just dosent make it for me. If (if, but I still wouldn't) I were finish painting with un-catylized paint it would be laquer, for sure not enamal.
If a person had a compressor, a lot of cheapo paint guns do a pretty good job.
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/12/2007 2:32:26 AM
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JMD
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im doing it because i wont have to rent a booth and it seems like it is harder to make a mistake. cheaper too.
Thats cool with me, I assume that you are applying this with a brush and then sanding flat and smooth?
Why not do the same with a catylized enamal paint? You could lay it on and sand it off the next day (or sooner) in temps of about 70 degrees or more. 2 or three coats is all you would need and the finish would be very durable. Would cost more but it would last a long long time.
Years ago I had heard about a guy that would paint VWs' using a brush and Imron paint, then color sanding to an incredible finish.
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RE: For those of you who painted with rustoleum - 3/12/2007 12:15:49 PM
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Niteshade
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Connor90, 7 coats should do it but don't be afraid to mix the paint a little thinner and then apply more coats. This will eliminate the orange peel. think of it, this is a pretty cheap method and there is no sense in rushing.
MidNite27, it looks as though you aren't thinning the paint enough. You need to use a 300 to 400 grit to get rid of that orange peel totally, then apply much thinner paint. As I stated earlier, test first on an old panel and watch the bublles. They should mostly disappear withing 2 minutes, if not then add more thinner and stir well.
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