Not. MM&FF has several dynos of them taking off the eaton and replacing it with a 01 cobra intake manifold. I **** you not at the flywheel they are making 365 horsepower sans boost.
Of course this is with LT headers and a aftercat with mufflers (flows), and only a accufab T/B on the intake, no meter or filter, and a FAST fuel system controling it all.
Damn, that's pretty stout. I guess I could see a gain of 40hp with full exhaust, intake, and one hell of a tune.
I would figure a stock Cobra motor without the blower would make 320hp...
Bah, poor cobra Eaton Vs. Procharger isn't too fair from a roll :) One's all down low, one's all up high. Not to mention the cobra is just a big fat pig compared :) Maybe from a dig the vette wouldn't beat it AS bad
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hey thx for the movie....loved the vett
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Give that 03 a Kenne Bell, then run em again. The guy in the vette looked kina funny too...
Sweetheart, shut your mouth before you lose it... thats a friend of mine.... if you wanna play this immature game of oh well give him this and then he'd be different, then lets put a TT Lingenfelter engine in the vette, fastest one ever made, completely street legal, and runs a 1.9 0-60... mmk? or was it a SCed engine? heck I don't remember, because both would smoke a kenne bell... have a nice day
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Bah, poor cobra Eaton Vs. Procharger isn't too fair from a roll :) One's all down low, one's all up high. Not to mention the cobra is just a big fat pig compared :) Maybe from a dig the vette wouldn't beat it AS bad
The only reason I wouldn't do good from a dig is because he's on nittos, I'm on street tires. It has nothing to do with the blowers. We did 2 second gear rolls, and I put plenty of cars on him with no problem. When we did the 3rd gear roll, he hung a whole lot better, even up to 140+. Theres nothing wrong with an Eaton up top, that is a myth.
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Give that 03 a Kenne Bell, then run em again. The guy in the vette looked kina funny too...
Sweetheart, shut your mouth before you lose it... thats a friend of mine.... if you wanna play this immature game of oh well give him this and then he'd be different, then lets put a TT Lingenfelter engine in the vette, fastest one ever made, completely street legal, and runs a 1.9 0-60... mmk? or was it a SCed engine? heck I don't remember, because both would smoke a kenne bell... have a nice day
The only reason I wouldn't do good from a dig is because he's on nittos, I'm on street tires. It has nothing to do with the blowers. We did 2 second gear rolls, and I put plenty of cars on him with no problem. When we did the 3rd gear roll, he hung a whole lot better, even up to 140+. Theres nothing wrong with an Eaton up top, that is a myth.
Myth? Apparently you haven't seen a dyno graph from a stock 03-04 Cobra. You might be confusing the roots for a screw. Tell a cobra owner who has switched to a blowzilla the 'myth"
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Give that 03 a Kenne Bell, then run em again. The guy in the vette looked kina funny too...
Sweetheart, shut your mouth before you lose it...
WS6speeDEMON, why don't you back off a little, I'm sure 94Cobra wasn't trying to insult your friend.
Myth? Apparently you haven't seen a dyno graph from a stock 03-04 Cobra. You might be confusing the roots for a screw. Tell a cobra owner who has switched to a blowzilla the 'myth"
My point exactly. You sit there with your little graphs and come to your conclusions with your specs while some people actually go out and try this stuff. Can we say magazine racer? We did 2 second gear rolls letting off a little over 100, and a 3rd gear roll all the way up to almost 150mph. The "no power up top" Eaton did much better up top than down low. Before we raced, we thought for sure the Eaton would be sick down low and suck up top, but thats just from listening to people like you. The exact opposite happened. I never mentioned a word about the blowzilla, this has nothing to do with that, we are talking about the Eaton. Do you think you can stay on topic?
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Myth? Apparently you haven't seen a dyno graph from a stock 03-04 Cobra. You might be confusing the roots for a screw. Tell a cobra owner who has switched to a blowzilla the 'myth"
My point exactly. You sit there with your little graphs and come to your conclusions with your specs while some people actually go out and try this stuff. Can we say magazine racer?
My point exactly. You sit there with your little graphs and come to your conclusions with your specs while some people actually go out and try this stuff. Can we say magazine racer? We did 2 second gear rolls letting off a little over 100, and a 3rd gear roll all the way up to almost 150mph. The "no power up top" Eaton did much better up top than down low. Before we raced, we thought for sure the Eaton would be sick down low and suck up top, but thats just from listening to people like you. The exact opposite happened. I never mentioned a word about the blowzilla, this has nothing to do with that, we are talking about the Eaton. Do you think you can stay on topic?
From your quote, it is apparent to me you haven't driven a twin screw car. What you think is top end 'pulling' with a roots doesn't compare to the top end on a twin screw'd car. My argument is backed up by Ford switching to a twin screw in the ford GT, and Saleen switching to the screw in 03. The problem is that the roots blowers aren't as thermally efficient, as well as a very different hylix type rotor. I've owned both and tuned several. Still don't believe me? If I had taken you for a ride in my twin screw S281E, you would have been scared. The baseline you described above is in comparison to nothing. Now what you need to do is go for a ride in a 03-04 cobra with a twin screw blower vs. the Eaton roots and you'll understand.
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Before we raced, we thought for sure the Eaton would be sick down low and suck up top, but thats just from listening to people like you.
People like me have owned, driven, and tuned both types of positive displacment blowers. You need to listen to people like me more often. -And you think I'm a magazine racer? Do you realize what I do for a living?
My point exactly. You sit there with your little graphs and come to your conclusions with your specs while some people actually go out and try this stuff. Can we say magazine racer? We did 2 second gear rolls letting off a little over 100, and a 3rd gear roll all the way up to almost 150mph. The "no power up top" Eaton did much better up top than down low. Before we raced, we thought for sure the Eaton would be sick down low and suck up top, but thats just from listening to people like you. The exact opposite happened. I never mentioned a word about the blowzilla, this has nothing to do with that, we are talking about the Eaton. Do you think you can stay on topic?
From your quote, it is apparent to me you haven't driven a twin screw car. What you think is top end 'pulling' with a roots doesn't compare to the top end on a twin screw'd car. My argument is backed up by Ford switching to a twin screw in the ford GT, and Saleen switching to the screw in 03. The problem is that the roots blowers aren't as thermally efficient, as well as a very different hylix type rotor. I've owned both and tuned several. Still don't believe me? If I had taken you for a ride in my twin screw S281E, you would have been scared. The baseline you described above is in comparison to nothing. Now what you need to do is go for a ride in a 03-04 cobra with a twin screw blower vs. the Eaton roots and you'll understand.
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Before we raced, we thought for sure the Eaton would be sick down low and suck up top, but thats just from listening to people like you.
People like me have owned, driven, and tuned both types of positive displacment blowers. You need to listen to people like me more often. -And you think I'm a magazine racer? Do you realize what I do for a living?
Let me try this again. This has nothing to do with any other blower. I am not comparing it with the twin screw. I know the twin screw is way better, thats a no brainer. It was stated that the Eaton is no good up top, but would be way better down low, and you agreed. We went out and raced, all conditions the same, except 2 races down low, and one up top, the Eaton performed way better up top. How about you explain that? And don't bring up any other blower, this is not a discussion about Eaton vs Twin screw. The test was the Eaton racing a car down low, then up top, all other conditions the same. The Eaton performed way better up top. Simple as that. The real life tests don't lie.
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The test was the Eaton racing a car down low, then up top, all other conditions the same.
Was the 'test' against your car? Explain the test.
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the Eaton performed way better up top. How about you explain that?
Even though the hp starts to drop decently from around 4k rpm, the 3.55 gears keep pulling the car through to redline. This equates to a steady pull from 4k rpm to redline; the 4v motor helps this a lot. This is why the cobra feels like it's pulling decently, even though the hp isn't increasing. Ford did it that way on purpose. They wanted a very powerful, but streetable car. -And the top end on a stock cobra is very streetable. If you ever ride in a blowzilla cobra making some boost, your baseline pereception of top end pull will be redefined.
The only reason I wouldn't do good from a dig is because he's on nittos, I'm on street tires. It has nothing to do with the blowers. We did 2 second gear rolls, and I put plenty of cars on him with no problem. When we did the 3rd gear roll, he hung a whole lot better, even up to 140+. Theres nothing wrong with an Eaton up top, that is a myth.
Myth? Apparently you haven't seen a dyno graph from a stock 03-04 Cobra. You might be confusing the roots for a screw. Tell a cobra owner who has switched to a blowzilla the 'myth"
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Give that 03 a Kenne Bell, then run em again. The guy in the vette looked kina funny too...
Sweetheart, shut your mouth before you lose it...
WS6speeDEMON, why don't you back off a little, I'm sure 94Cobra wasn't trying to insult your friend.
94Cobra was TRYING to make excuses for the Cobra and in doing so tried to make the vette driver look bad so I found my statement justified, and no one yanked your chain so take your trash back to the junkyard, no one wants to hear you whine... since this was none of your business I suggest you stick your wet nose elsewhere.
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