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thanks a lot scrming. I appreciate all the help. last question. where do I get the injectors from if I get it without the injectors.

if i were you i wouldn't mess around with getting everything seperately because again (not to insult you) you really know little on the subject and it may save you a headache just getting a complete kit.

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And the thing like i said about 60' has a TON of other factors. I beleive rainbowcyxx on the **** did a 1.9 60' on stock rubber and stock gearing with his procharger... http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-11042.html

just trying to make a point here, dont want to start an argument really.

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Hey Rygen, from what I have read it seems like the ProCharger is a little less reliable then the Vortech...It seems logical because of the lower boost involved but it just that the boost? or is ProCharger just not as a solid a buy???

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And the thing like i said about 60' has a TON of other factors. I beleive rainbowcyxx on the **** did a 1.9 60' on stock rubber and stock gearing with his procharger... http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustang-Timeslip-11042.html

just trying to make a point here, dont want to start an argument really.

Ok... everyone says the X-Charger is the best choice for the street because it has such great low end grunt/torque... I maintain if the X-Charger's low end grunt/torque is so great why do I and RB6 (with centrif's) have BETTER 60' TIMES? Races are won or lost in the first 60' and the last 100'....

And if you compare my car to Nav's X-charged car, they are almost identical! There are not a TON of other factors! The major difference is he was on MT ET's which are a heck of a lot stickier than my so-so M&H's!!! Yet, I have a better 60' time... and a higher trap speed...

The X-Charger has it's strong points... but if you look at it 's Price-Performance... it's got to be at just about the bottom of the list...

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i dont care to count how much ive spent on my car john... and ive done all the labor myself.  ive saved at LEAST $2500 in labor, if not more.

???  I'm lost....  can you put this in some kind of context??? was it something I said??? LOL!

Of course you do it yourself... your a mechanic for gosh sakes! LOL! 

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i dont care to count how much ive spent on my car john... and ive done all the labor myself. ive saved at LEAST $2500 in labor, if not more.

??? I'm lost.... can you put this in some kind of context??? was it something I said??? LOL!

Of course you do it yourself... your a mechanic for gosh sakes! LOL!

im just sayin, we have spent entirely way too much on our cars lol. you were talkin bout how when u swapped your motor, you put in the vortech. etc etc. When i bought this car i never expected to do what im doin with it now. Its a v6, i thought v6's were slow hah

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You guys are totally right. I don't got a lot of extra cash but everytime I do, it goes to my car lol It's definitely an obsession. And Scrming I am definitely getting the X-Cal 2 in about a week and a half. So you say not to get the complete kit, but what comes missing from the kit that I would actually have to buy separately? Do you know? The kit that isn't complete is that the HO one or the standard?

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wait wait wait... finally 3.73s!!!! the dark side lol

im actually switching to the 3.31s with a 25.7" tire for the track.  but thats with an 8.8 rear

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wait wait wait... finally 3.73s!!!! the dark side lol

im actually switching to the 3.31s with a 25.7" tire for the track. but thats with an 8.8 rear

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You guys are totally right. I don't got a lot of extra cash but everytime I do, it goes to my car lol It's definitely an obsession. And Scrming I am definitely getting the X-Cal 2 in about a week and a half. So you say not to get the complete kit, but what comes missing from the kit that I would actually have to buy separately? Do you know? The kit that isn't complete is that the HO one or the standard?

Both the HO and the standard are available as "tuner kits", which mean you'll need to supply new injectors (39# Terminator injectors is what I recommend). You will already have an SCT X-Cal2 but you'll need to get a "tune" I would skip getting any kind of canned tune... I suggest you get the car custom dyno tuned... That really the only way to take full advantage of your supercharger... I know some guys are doing the datalogging and then e-mail to get their tunes... but if you have a good shop by you, then I really recommend a dyno tune..

Might want to start looking into your near by shops... just to get a feel for them... what brands they carry... etc...

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Hmmm just thinking out loud here bscotti X Charger car ran a 13.25 with a open rear end stock gears and his cats still on, I am thinking with a t-lok, 373''s (or 4.10's) cats off that should put an X Charger car easy in the high 12's. Hmm I am thinking with 4.10's and a good set of dr's wonder what that 60' would look like then.

I am just thinking out loud here don't mind me. :)

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Hmmm just thinking out loud here bscotti X Charger car ran a 13.25 with a open rear end stock gears and his cats still on, I am thinking with a t-lok, 373''s (or 4.10's) cats off that should put an X Charger car easy in the high 12's. Hmm I am thinking with 4.10's and a good set of dr's wonder what that 60' would look like then.

I am just thinking out loud here don't mind me. :)

mmmmmhhhhmmmm. exactly. And scrming, like i said raynebow was on street tires with far less mods than you, but cut a 60' very close to yours. Just because the....what 2 x-chargers that have hit the track so far (?) have not cut a faster 60' than you doesn't mean they don't make more low end torque. bscottie is close to your 60' with an open diff also. Just wait, there will be an x in the 12's soon enough and wait for the 60' it will be mad. There is no denying the low-end torque of the x-charger, i dont even know why you are arguing the fact that it has mucho low-end torque, have looked at any of the dynos dude???

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Hmmm just thinking out loud here bscotti X Charger car ran a 13.25 with a open rear end stock gears and his cats still on, I am thinking with a t-lok, 373''s (or 4.10's) cats off that should put an X Charger car easy in the high 12's. Hmm I am thinking with 4.10's and a good set of dr's wonder what that 60' would look like then.

I am just thinking out loud here don't mind me. :)

mmmmmhhhhmmmm. exactly. And scrming, like i said raynebow was on street tires with far less mods than you, but cut a 60' very close to yours. Just because the....what 2 x-chargers that have hit the track so far (?) have not cut a faster 60' than you doesn't mean they don't make more low end torque. bscottie is close to your 60' with an open diff also. Just wait, there will be an x in the 12's soon enough and wait for the 60' it will be mad. There is no denying the low-end torque of the x-charger, i dont even know why you are arguing the fact that it has mucho low-end torque, have looked at any of the dynos dude???

First off, RB6 has a PROCHARGER. He does NOT have an X-Charger! RB6 is also running a smaller pulley then what comes standard/stock.

Second, Nav DOES have an X-Charger and we have almost IDENTICAL setup... Except I took my cats off... BUT Nav was running MT ETs which are a LOT BETTER than my M&H's! If the X-Charger is so great with the low end torque then Nav should have a lot better 60' than either RB6 or myself!

Third, Yes, I seen the dyno sheets... Gosh, now you sound like MSP... I've seen the sheets but more importantly I've seen the timeslips! The Vortech and ProCharger simply out perform the X-Charger... sorry to bust your bubble... You can show me all the dyno sheets you want but the X-Men need to start pulling better 60' times then us Centrif to live up to all the low end hype!

Fourth, I'm still running the standard/stock Vortech HO pulley (3.25). The 2.87 pulley is going on next Tuesday! Couple that with a set of MT ET's and I'll be mid to low 12's while the X-Men are trying to break into the 12's...

The X-Charger looks good... sounds good.... is easy to install... and make really nice dyno sheets... but at the end of the day, it's all about the timeslips you bring home...

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Ocd03gro I think the only way to get a fair comparison to find out for sure the cars (which I believe you agree with) would need to be the same mod for mod (suspension mod for mod) including gears running on the same track I agree and believe the X would pull a better 60” but like you said there only a 2-3 out that have been to the track and only one out there with gearing and he is not running 4.10’s like scrming.

The gearing is a big factor in the 60’ and the taller gear is what gives you the better 60’ Scrming car is running 4.10’s vers Nav 3.73’s is not fair comparison they were need to also have to have the same,mods gearing,tires and tire size and run at the same track for this to be a true valid comparison, if the test is ran this way I believe X Charger should pull the better 60’.

I agree the X charger will be running high 12’s in the near future and that is pretty decent and running under 10psi of boost.