RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 4:59:58 PM
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Mach1
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I dont really wanna argrue with you. I know the ls1 is a more powerful engine, but peak engine power isnt everything. This is my opinion from experience: I agree from a roll the ls1 should almost always win unless somethings wrong with it, but down low a mach1 can match any ls1 with whatever transmission the ls1 has assuming you have equal drivers. (Auto vs. auto ill definitly give the victory to an ls1) I ran a few ls1s, as long as we went from a slow roll or dig i was able to barley pull or match. On the freeway however i got walked, (The vette really walked me) MY buddy has a 00 ss and even he tells people i can pull on him down low. And dont say "oh well he cant drive" or "oh well his car must be screwed up." He has the 3.42s, the rear end gears arent bad, but 1st is WAY tall and at 30 im at my peak power levels hes still in the middle of 1st, and last time i checked ls1s are really powerful in the upper rpm ranges. Ive raced 3 ls1s. My friends 00ss m6(pictured below next to my old car) my friends a4 vette which i was able to pull a few feet down low, but then we got on the freeway and he really walked me bad. The last ls1 i raced was this ta. Like i said b4 i was actually looking to buy a ws6, but when i saw the deal i could get on a NEW warrantied car, buying the ws6 wouldnt of been a very smart move. Ive been around a lot of fbodies and i feel i know more about them then the average car enthusiest. Ive also been behind the wheel of more then a few of them. When i first got my car after i broke it in i ran the ss, b4 i thought i didnt have a chance in hell, but to my suprise i was out front by a little. Then we went on the freeway and i saw that my friends new custom license plate that said "1SICLS1." Anyway its not really a big deal, i hope we can all be friends. 
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 5:01:26 PM
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98LS1
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That's just the way it feels. It feels to me that my LT1 car was way faster down low, but it wasn't.
Stock LS1 dyno:
Stock LT1 dyno:
http://www.dynoperformance.com/jpgraph/graph_hptq.php?ID=636&width=680&height=450
The only reason it feels that way is b/c the LT1 falls short up top where the LS1 continues to pull and pull and pull.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 5:02:19 PM
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Mach1
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i have an STi swap+stand alone+fuel+tranny..just about everything. it should be turned over in the next month. no camera yet.
to stay on-topic...my buddy russ says the LT1 starts making power @1800rpm...and the LS1 start making power@3000rpm...what gives?
Well i dont know much about suburus but im cool off getting my ass kicked.
The ls1 is more of a top end engine then the lt1.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 5:07:20 PM
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98LS1
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Mach, I didn't know you meant it like that. Sure I'd say you could run with me through the 1/8, I know it would damn close and you may even win. But after that my car should pull away. As you said above.
About how tall the gears are....2nd in my LT1 ran out at about 55mph, I know the LS1 is gonna be a little different but not that much. When I had my stock gears in my LS1, 1st in my car went right around 55mph with an A4. I don't think an M6 with 3.42's is gonna run 55mph in 1st gear. I'm shifting to 3rd in the 1/8 mile now with my 3.73's.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 5:14:00 PM
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TommyV8
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With my 2.73 geared auto, 1st gear goes to ~55, 2nd goes to 95, and third, well, I haven't gotten that far. It hits 3rd jsut before I trap at 103-105 and is still pulling hard, no hesitation.
BTW I really like the Mach 1 and if it wasn't for the fbods I would hope I would be driving one.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 7:45:45 PM
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98LS1
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I knew that was closer to your gear ratio b/c a friend of mine had a 2.73 gear in his TA and told me it wouldn't shift outta second til around 90'ish mph. Wasn't shifting in the 1/8. He now has 3.23's though.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 8:26:45 PM
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Mach1
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I told him the first thing id do to his ss would be 4:10s tho.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 8:32:11 PM
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My g/f just got an '01 Z28 with 3.23's and last time we went to the track she got a better first 1/8 than me but my second 1/8 was faster than hers. She trapped at 102 and I hit 105. Her overall e.t. was better by .02, mainly because of a slightly better 60 ft. From a dig she may take me but from a highway roll I would have the advantage. I think I'll keep my 2.73's.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 8:40:11 PM
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98LS1
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3.73's are the perfect gear for an A4 LS1. I wanted 4.10's but everyone said I'd run out of gear too soon. I love mine. The only problem I have is hooking up. Spinning at 50mph is a bitch.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 11:10:55 PM
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Dang this thread is Loooooooooong!!! Oh hush all you the freaking Civic rules..
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/9/2004 11:14:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: TommyV8
My g/f just got an '01 Z28 with 3.23's and last time we went to the track she got a better first 1/8 than me but my second 1/8 was faster than hers. She trapped at 102 and I hit 105. Her overall e.t. was better by .02, mainly because of a slightly better 60 ft. From a dig she may take me but from a highway roll I would have the advantage. I think I'll keep my 2.73's.
2.73s?? what 02 Camaro came with 2.73s??
The 5 speed MM5 tranny in the V6 had a 3.23 rear end, the 4 speed MX0 in the V6/Z28/SS had a 3.08, and the 6 speed MN6 Z28/SS tranny had 3.42s stock.
The coupe and convertible came with a 3.42 when you ordered it with the Performance Handling Package and the Z28 featured 3.23s with the optional performance axle.
I'm confused now.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/10/2004 2:46:27 PM
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quote:
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Dang this thread is Loooooooooong!!! Oh hush all you the freaking Civic rules..
Teh Civic c4n n3v4r l00s3!!
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3.23s with the optional performance axle.
3.23's were the performance gear ratio for an A4. Some got 2.73's, some got 3.23's.
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RE: Mach1 vs. ls1 trans am - 11/10/2004 6:08:30 PM
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I got a sticker so i know for sure its good for 10 hp.. The easiest stick on power. Wing coming up!!
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This thread is officially hizijacked! Anyway, go for the fart can, that's about 35 rwhp. Mad tyte yo!
