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Except 03-04 Cobra's which say Goodbye to TA/Z28 LS1's
Now no disrespect to the ls1 guys but this is why they dont give any credit to the mach1. They cant accept the fact that the 2nd in line n/a stang is very capable of winning in a drag race. THe mach1 also brakes and handles better.
Except 03-04 Cobra's which say Goodbye to TA/Z28 LS1's
Bah....stupid blower. It's like using viagra when you're old. "Engine too small? Can't go fast anymore? Have I got something for you."
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Now no disrespect to the ls1 guys but this is why they dont give any credit to the mach1. They cant accept the fact that the 2nd in line n/a stang is very capable of winning in a drag race. THe mach1 also brakes and handles better.
The most I've seen any Mach 1 put down was 274rwhp bone stock. Even if they're putting down 280-285, they're still a good 15-20rwhp behind a stock LS1, which some guys have put down over 320rwhp stock. All drivers equal, an M6 LS1 will win against an M5 Mach 1. I don't think anyone can debate that. About them handling better....is there any proof of this, or are you just shooting in the dark?
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Mach 1's, properly driven, run mid to low 13's, similar to an LS1. The average ET may be a tenth or two in favor of the LS1, but it's pretty close. I believe the choice of transmission makes a bigger difference in the Machs than it does in the fbody. At least this has been my firsthand experience at the strip(watching, not driving). My g/f beat a stock 5-speed Mach in her stock auto '01 Z28 (2.73 gears) but it was close.
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Except 03-04 Cobra's which say Goodbye to TA/Z28 LS1's
Bah....stupid blower. It's like using viagra when you're old. "Engine too small? Can't go fast anymore? Have I got something for you."
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Now no disrespect to the ls1 guys but this is why they dont give any credit to the mach1. They cant accept the fact that the 2nd in line n/a stang is very capable of winning in a drag race. THe mach1 also brakes and handles better.
The most I've seen any Mach 1 put down was 274rwhp bone stock. Even if they're putting down 280-285, they're still a good 15-20rwhp behind a stock LS1, which some guys have put down over 320rwhp stock. All drivers equal, an M6 LS1 will win against an M5 Mach 1. I don't think anyone can debate that. About them handling better....is there any proof of this, or are you just shooting in the dark?
Hp isnt everything in a race. The ls1 is more powerful im not denying that. Im saying in a drag race, from a faster roll the ls1 should win but not always. On the freeway however the ls1 is definitly faster. The brakes on the mach1 are a half inch bigger then the corvettes, as for handling all i can say is its my opinion, and both my friends (one who has an ss) that the mach1 takes turns better with its tokicos, perf. springs and subframe connectors.
"All drivers equal, an M6 LS1 will win against an M5 Mach 1"
I disagree, but this subject has been beaten to death and i wont go there. That guy hit it the same time i did and i pulled on him so...
300+rwhp plus tons of torque with a 3.42 rear end vs 280+rwhp with decent torque coupled with 3.55's....both weigh nearly the same....I'm going with the more powerful car.
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To be honest i was gonna buy a ws6 until i saw a could pick up a new warrantied mach1 for just over 20. Dont underestimate the mach1s tq tho, stock they will make 340 lb/ft. If i were to mod i would definitly go fbody tho. Dont think im one of those stubborn ford guys, i only bought the mach1 cuz it was awsome car at a great price and i love it. Cobra was way too much.
Bah....stupid blower. It's like using viagra when you're old. "Engine too small? Can't go fast anymore? Have I got something for you."
Something I, and many others, just don't get.
Mustang guys never complain that they loose to F-bodies because they displaces 1.1L more, yet F-body guys always complain about the blower.
Let's see Chevy make a 4.6L LS1 and see how hard it pulls against a Mach 1. Then you can start complain about being boosted.
The Cobras are faster, end of story. Stock for stock, or mod for mod (as in $ for $ in mod), the Cobra is faster without ever touching a thing inside the engine.
Mach1 vs Trans Am LS1 is a drivers race, there is a blue one around here, but until I get my car running right, I'm keeping to the shadows... next time go past 90, since that is where we shine, run them both and compare the differences! Oh and try from a stop too! I wanna know the results!
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Bah....stupid blower. It's like using viagra when you're old. "Engine too small? Can't go fast anymore? Have I got something for you."
Something I, and many others, just don't get.
Mustang guys never complain that they loose to F-bodies because they displaces 1.1L more, yet F-body guys always complain about the blower.
Let's see Chevy make a 4.6L LS1 and see how hard it pulls against a Mach 1. Then you can start complain about being boosted.
The Cobras are faster, end of story. Stock for stock, or mod for mod (as in $ for $ in mod), the Cobra is faster without ever touching a thing inside the engine.
HA, thats a lie! Why would chevy do that? If chevy put a SC on their engines, you guys would be toast! Man I wish they would... I want one!
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if you put a super charger in your engine we get to bore ours to your level of displacement its only fair
Good point. From the power/liter standpoint, a theoretical 5.7L Mach 1 would destroy a 5.7L LS1. Kind of a moot point though, just like the theoretical N/A '03 Cobra. Mach 1~LS1, '03 Cobra>LS1. The End.
Bah....stupid blower. It's like using viagra when you're old. "Engine too small? Can't go fast anymore? Have I got something for you."
Let's see Chevy make a 4.6L LS1 and see how hard it pulls against a Mach 1. Then you can start complain about being boosted.
The Cobras are faster, end of story. Stock for stock, or mod for mod (as in $ for $ in mod), the Cobra is faster without ever touching a thing inside the engine.
You took that way out of context, but since you brought it up. GM has a Cadillac 4.6L motor that makes 320hp N/A, that's right a 281. And, since you brought it up, GM does have an LS1 302. It makes 435hp all motor and is pushrod. Ford has the 302 cammer which makes 415 hp, I guess that's decent. Yet GM's old pushrod powerplant makes more hp. LSx > anything.
And the only part you're right on in the 2nd part of this statement is that $ for $ the Cobra is faster, that's b/c it starts out F/I. Any forced induction car is going to be easier to mod to gain more hp.
Study first, don't be blind to one car manufacturer, then try again.
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if you put a super charger in your engine we get to bore ours to your level of displacement its only fair
OK you can up your displacment, but we get to use dual overhead cams like you, it's only fair. Honestly this place never changes, I see everyone is still bench/magazine racing. PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND GO TO THE TRACK.
if you put a super charger in your engine we get to bore ours to your level of displacement its only fair
OK you can up your displacment, but we get to use dual overhead cams like you, it's only fair. Honestly this place never changes, I see everyone is still bench/magazine racing. PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND GO TO THE TRACK.
GM experimented with the duel overhead cam once, remember the ZR-1? That thing was sick, trust me, they don't want us to do that!
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if you put a super charger in your engine we get to bore ours to your level of displacement its only fair
OK you can up your displacment, but we get to use dual overhead cams like you, it's only fair. Honestly this place never changes, I see everyone is still bench/magazine racing. PUT DOWN THE KEYBOARD AND GO TO THE TRACK.
GM experimented with the duel overhead cam once, remember the ZR-1? That thing was sick, trust me, they don't want us to do that!
GM seems to be doing better with pushrods than it did with DOHC. LS6>LT-5 (405 vs 375)
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you cant compare boosted powerplants to n/a...regardless of engine size. boosted owns all. its hard to even compare dohc to sohc. remember the old replacement/displacement thing? maybe ford should just build a bigger motor, keep the blower, and the dohc. then, and only then, can the LS1 lose.
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Damn, even as a Chevy guy I woulda been all over that deal!
