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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 5:32:07 PM   
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On a Dyno or on the track?
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the gt redlined 5th at 192mph


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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 5:51:29 PM   
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Ahh, wonderful pony lovers! I love it! You know, I didn't start this argument. Just got a bit ticked when that lurker GT guy came on here and started dispariaging our fine 4.0's!
Yes, I am telling you the truth. I got 156 on Rt. 70W a few days ago.
Had my trusty CB and radar/lazer detector runnin too.
Beware of the bears when you are going that fast. They definately don't like it and will nail your ars but good not to mention impound your car or maybe even confiscate it.
That kind of speed is an automatic felony reckless driving so I don't recomend anyone get caught...Did I say that? ;-)
By the way, my tires are Z rated to 168MPH! Not 149.
Death wish? Nah. Fun WISH! YEAH!
If you ain't got the nuts for such high speeds then by all means don't try it. I have friends that panic at the idea of going 70 so I understand. The risks increase with speed no doubt and well maybe I had my toes crossed since my hands were busy doing otherwise ;-).
My rear end is a posi-trac' with 3.31 gears. I left them in there for guess what reason.
Also I have been tweaking the a/f mixture of 4K to 7K and I think I found the sweet spot.
With the Pypes cat back duals, C and L CAI and custom tune, rear end upgrade and some good tweaking it is achievable.
By the way I kept track of my speed using my trusty Diablo Predator in real time mode.
Maybe if I get the urge again, I'll video tape it next time.
GT Schmee-Tee! Eat your hearts out!

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 5:54:57 PM   
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I like my 6er, but you guys who are saying that the blown sixer is a cheaper route, this is just silly....look here:

Mustang v6 Deluxe: 20k

Mustang GT Deluxe: 26.5k


Now, what do you need to add to your sixer to put it at the level of a GT?

Mycolor
Sways
Bullits w/ Pirelli's
Duals
Rear Bumper
Supercharger (your choice)
8.8 read end
LSD
Prof. Installation

Lets look at some prices now!

Mycolor $200
Sways $80
Bullits w/ Pirelli's $400
Duals $550
Rear Bumper $300
Supercharger (your choice) $4000
8.8 read end w/ LSD $1000
Prof. Installation ~$1600

Total $8130

Keep in mind that the wheels, sways, bumper, and 8.8 are probaly take-offs and that the price would be higher if you were to buy them new. Also, that is a pretty low price for installtion. If I were to take it to a good place it would probably end up being around 3k. Also, you have to keep in mind that you lose factory warentee and that you will probably break some stuff (expencive stuff) with the supercharger

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 6:30:55 PM   
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All you need to be faster then the GT is a supercharger period. I have one on my V6 and let me tell you I have smoked quite a few GT's not to mention other V8's. Plus it is not just the price of the car in which you save money it is also insurance and the car payment and gas if you get the right tuner with your supercharger you also save on mpg as long as you are not smashing the peddle all the time.

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 6:40:50 PM   
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All you need to be faster then the GT is a supercharger period. I have one on my V6 and let me tell you I have smoked quite a few GT's not to mention other V8's. Plus it is not just the price of the car in which you save money it is also insurance and the car payment and gas if you get the right tuner with your supercharger you also save on mpg as long as you are not smashing the peddle all the time.


Just out of curiosity, what is your top end speed with that S/C?
Ever found out?

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 6:47:00 PM   
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All you need to do is put on a supercharger to go faster then the GT period. I would know I have a supercharger in my V6 and I can tell you that I have smoked quite a few GT's myself not to mention other V8's and some rice rockets. If you buy a V6 it is cheaper for insurance and the car payment as well as gas as long as you are not smashing the pedal all the time. If you get the right supercharger with the right tune for your car it won't harm your engine even if something breaks the dealer has to prove that the supercharger is the cause of it. YOU don't need a 8.8 rear end ethier I have my stock 7.5 and it is just fine and you don't need to buy dual Exhaust it really does not do much for you which means you don't need to buy a GT bumper.

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 6:48:35 PM   
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No I have not it is kind of hard to do that considering the traffic out here in So Cal.

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 6:55:57 PM   
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I have a extra Diablosport Predator tuner for 250 bills if anyone is intrested.

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 7:05:18 PM   
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lol whoa whoa whoa...now IF you went 156 in your car thats great...but I wouldn't reccomend doing that repeatedly...its not a matter of having the nuts to do it...you have so much as a pot hole in the road hit you the wrong way thats it...its never a good idea to do triple digits on state roads for any extended period of time...that said do what you will man I'll pray for you...as for the supercharger and duals...they go hand and hand...you can do it with a single I'm sure...theres no reason why you couldn't and I've seen it done...but its probably better for the life of the car if you let it breathe a bit more...same with the power levels on the car...it depends if its just something you take to the track now and then or a daily driver

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 10:34:51 PM   
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156mph is going against physics.

unless you were going downhill with a huge backwind.

the drag coefficient wont allow our cars to hit 156mph without roughly 305 flywheel horsepower.  but whatever i dont need to argue with u anymore



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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 10:35:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: beaustang

On a Dyno or on the track?
quote:

ORIGINAL: fazm

the gt redlined 5th at 192mph



i forget where they did the testing, it was at a "salt flat" type place

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 10:47:35 PM   
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Who's asking you to argue faxm? Show me the math genius. Write it right here and let's see it.

Anyway, that's the story and it's true.
Illegal, you speak sooth my friend. Yep, don't wanna be doin 3 digit speeds too much.
I don't,,well except when I'm cruisin at 110 ;-).
It would take a rather large and deep pothole to throw a car out of control. That is unless you're one of those that drive with a Vulcan death grip on the wheel and panic at the slightest bump. ;-p
My Stang is N/A by the way if anyone hasn't figured that out yet.


As to the genius Chrisc's comments. Are you living in the dark ages?
Have you seen any of the 07 stangs with special packages that come stock from the factory?
Devilinbluedress is right. ALL one needs on a 6 banger is an S/C. That's it. Then it's GT,,,kiss my bumper cause that's all you're ever gonna see,,that is after the smoke clears!

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 11:21:06 PM   
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with a drag coefficient of .38
frontal area of between 26 and 30 sq ft (this includes the bumper/grill/tire/windshield/hood area for those that dont know)
weight of 3500 lbs with a driver

it would take between 271 and 309 hp to reach 156mph

other things can effect this as well, the wider the tire, the lower the speed will become because of more rotating mass. im basing this off of a 235/55/17 tire, which is about as small of a z+ rated tire you can get for our cars

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 11:22:12 PM   
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oh and if anyone thinks that frontal area is too large, just so you know, your average sport bike has a frontal area of 6-9 sq ft.

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 11:37:25 PM   
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I probably did have a tail wind then. Thanks for explaining your calculations. ;-)
It was windy that day.
Call it luck. But it sure was fun!

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/28/2007 11:39:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chrisc

I like my 6er, but you guys who are saying that the blown sixer is a cheaper route, this is just silly....look here:

Mustang v6 Deluxe: 20k

Mustang GT Deluxe: 26.5k


Now, what do you need to add to your sixer to put it at the level of a GT?

Mycolor
Sways
Bullits w/ Pirelli's
Duals
Rear Bumper
Supercharger (your choice)
8.8 read end
LSD
Prof. Installation

Lets look at some prices now!

Mycolor $200
Sways $80
Bullits w/ Pirelli's $400
Duals $550
Rear Bumper $300
Supercharger (your choice) $4000
8.8 read end w/ LSD $1000
Prof. Installation ~$1600

Total $8130

Keep in mind that the wheels, sways, bumper, and 8.8 are probaly take-offs and that the price would be higher if you were to buy them new. Also, that is a pretty low price for installtion. If I were to take it to a good place it would probably end up being around 3k. Also, you have to keep in mind that you lose factory warentee and that you will probably break some stuff (expencive stuff) with the supercharger


wow duals, bumper, and 8.8 are totally obselete. You don't need duals or a gt rear bumper for that matter, you can get 8.8's with the stock lsd for under 600 bucks, and you can get alot of this stuff on a v6.  i got my 6 for under 20k fully loaded with EVERY option besides shaker 1000.  that means it's a pony package, which likely handles just as well as the gt, so the sway bars are not needed, it has the same tires and wheels as the gt, and has the interior upgrade package including mycolor.  So how about this route?

procharger at say, 9 psi, truetrac and gears (just to be safe, you could go trac-lock for cheaper!), maybe some lca's = roughly 5k, lets say 6,500 with install. so now i have a faster car than a gt, with all of the comforts of the gt, but i pay FAR less insurance (especially because i am 16) likely get better gas mileage, and i have a total sleeper.  Now obviously resale is gonna be a bitch and if you are lookin to dump the car in 3-4 years, sure you are better off going with the gt and not modding it, but for some people it is better to go v6.


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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/29/2007 10:51:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DevilNBluDress

All you need to do is put on a supercharger to go faster then the GT period. I would know I have a supercharger in my V6 and I can tell you that I have smoked quite a few GT's myself not to mention other V8's and some rice rockets. If you buy a V6 it is cheaper for insurance and the car payment as well as gas as long as you are not smashing the pedal all the time. If you get the right supercharger with the right tune for your car it won't harm your engine even if something breaks the dealer has to prove that the supercharger is the cause of it. YOU don't need a 8.8 rear end ethier I have my stock 7.5 and it is just fine and you don't need to buy dual Exhaust it really does not do much for you which means you don't need to buy a GT bumper.


I actually get better gas mileage in my 04 GT than I did in my 05 V6


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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/29/2007 2:29:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: chrisc

I like my 6er, but you guys who are saying that the blown sixer is a cheaper route, this is just silly....look here:

Mustang v6 Deluxe: 20k

Mustang GT Deluxe: 26.5k


Now, what do you need to add to your sixer to put it at the level of a GT?

Mycolor
Sways
Bullits w/ Pirelli's
Duals
Rear Bumper
Supercharger (your choice)
8.8 read end
LSD
Prof. Installation

Lets look at some prices now!

Mycolor $200
Sways $80
Bullits w/ Pirelli's $400
Duals $550
Rear Bumper $300
Supercharger (your choice) $4000
8.8 read end w/ LSD $1000
Prof. Installation ~$1600

Total $8130

Keep in mind that the wheels, sways, bumper, and 8.8 are probaly take-offs and that the price would be higher if you were to buy them new. Also, that is a pretty low price for installtion. If I were to take it to a good place it would probably end up being around 3k. Also, you have to keep in mind that you lose factory warentee and that you will probably break some stuff (expencive stuff) with the supercharger



Um...

V6 Pony Package = 25K ( I talked them down to 19k at the dealer)
V6 Pony Package after skillful bartering = 19K
My Color - Included
Sways - Included
Bullits w/pirelli's - Included

Addition of Duals-

GT take offs - $83@ ninosport (after discount and free shipping offer).
X-pipe - $103@pypes exhaust
Fabbed drivers side midpipe, cut rear bumper (Bumper is not performace gain, but ok) + installation = <200
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< $386 for superior exhaust

Add supercharger
< 4000
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Add 8.8 gears - I'm not going to pretend I know enough about this to make a judgement, so I'll take your price.
$1000
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This isn't perfect, but it shows you that you aren't working that hard to get something better than a GT.

Of course I would have loved (and preferred) to buy a GT, but I also pay for my own car and insurance (800 $/Month), pay for my education, and pay for everything else in my life.

I'm 20.

The V6 was my best choice for now.

GT comes when my life settles down.

And when it does... WATCH OUT!

lol


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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/29/2007 2:38:31 PM   
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This isn't perfect, but it shows you that you aren't working that hard to get something better than a GT.

Of course I would have loved (and preferred) to buy a GT, but I also pay for my own car and insurance (800 $/Month), pay for my education, and pay for everything else in my life.

I'm 20.

The V6 was my best choice for now.

GT comes when my life settles down.

And when it does... WATCH OUT!

lol




+1.. I'm 20 and put myself through school and pay for car/everything else, of course I want a GT but when I can afford the price and insurance of it I will. Probably after I get out of school and after I'm 25 so the insurance doesn't kill me even more than it already does. I'm perfectly happy with my V6

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RE: Max HP from NA V6.... - 1/29/2007 3:11:48 PM   
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I bought my premium pony package for $19,000. so... that's $6450 not $8130... big difference... also.. you can get two GT take off axlebacks for $40-$80.... so that would bring the cost of duals down significantly.

quote:

ORIGINAL: chrisc

I like my 6er, but you guys who are saying that the blown sixer is a cheaper route, this is just silly....look here:

Mustang v6 Deluxe: 20k

Mustang GT Deluxe: 26.5k


Now, what do you need to add to your sixer to put it at the level of a GT?

Mycolor
Sways
Bullits w/ Pirelli's
Duals
Rear Bumper
Supercharger (your choice)
8.8 read end
LSD
Prof. Installation

Lets look at some prices now!

Mycolor $200
Sways $80
Bullits w/ Pirelli's $400
Duals $550
Rear Bumper $300
Supercharger (your choice) $4000
8.8 read end w/ LSD $1000
Prof. Installation ~$1600

Total $8130

Keep in mind that the wheels, sways, bumper, and 8.8 are probaly take-offs and that the price would be higher if you were to buy them new. Also, that is a pretty low price for installtion. If I were to take it to a good place it would probably end up being around 3k. Also, you have to keep in mind that you lose factory warentee and that you will probably break some stuff (expencive stuff) with the supercharger


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