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So I went to my local muffler shop and had my V6 put up on the lift.
We brainstormed on how to make this a true dual with minimum costs, and eventually came up with this plan.
Sorry, but my MS Paint skills aren't the best. Haha.
Well, what we will do is cut into the Y-pipe, after the cat converters, and weld a new pipe into it. This essentially creates an H-Pipe ( its a little crooked but an H-pipe none the less!). The red signifies the new pipe.
The only thing I need to know now, is where to get the mounts for the muffler. The stock V6 muffler has two mounts that keep it up, if I get this ahead of time, it could reduce labor costs a bit.
Sorry but that's about the dumbest junk yard exhaust system idea I have heard in years! You don't want to RIG up something like that. It won't last and it won't run correctly either. Doing so will also greatly devalue the car! Purchase a REAL cat back true dual exhaust system. You can buy them for under 400 dollars. If you can't afford it, then don't mess with it until you can. I'd be embarrased to tell anyone that my exhaust system is a patch job! Geesh!
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Coming from someone who only posts negative comments and goes on random irrevelvant tangents about thier planned modifications, I take your advice with a grain of salt.
Anyone have any intelligent comments?
< Message edited by TheBlackPearl -- 1/17/2007 9:49:48 PM >
Take his comments with belief. Thats the dumbest idea i've ever seen. It will also make your car run horribly. Less distance to one of the mufflers will make for a slight awkward backpressure deal.
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Right, what ever. You're obviously jealous because I can afford to do it RIGHT! That grain of salt you took is actually an extremely HUGE chunk pal! One you can't swallow! I speak SOOTH. Look it up mickey mouse. You're negative comments are no more than generalaties anyway! If you don't want to hear the truth, don't ask! You obviously don't read all of my posts as the majority of them are quite positive and extremely helpful. Normally I receive thanks and praise ;-p There will always be someone who disagrees or whines about others posts.
< Message edited by wolfey2k -- 1/17/2007 10:07:48 PM >
wolfey. don't take it seriously. He just wants attention i geuss. you gave your opinion and thats what he asked for. Now he's upset because ur opinion was harsh.
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This is coming from someone who is just learning all of this (me), and the owner of a shop which specializes in exhaust, and verified by a group of Ford certified technician at the dealership in which I bought the car from.
So instead of just sh*ting on the idea why don't you give me some reasons why this won't work, in a more mature manner. Aparently everyone I talked to overlooked some sort of issue that you know about, so please enlighten me.
If the new custom-made pipe is exactly the same length as the original how would the back pressure be affected? And for what reason would the car run horribly?
I want the feedback, but I would also like some reasoning behind the response.
wolfey. don't take it seriously. He just wants attention i geuss. you gave your opinion and thats what he asked for. Now he's upset because ur opinion was harsh.
Thanks Ronaele. Yeah, the truth hurts ;-] But somebody's gotta tell it! Doesn't realize when someone's doing him a favor. Can you imagine such a patch job? ROLF!
Pearl.....have your pipes cut at the same place on both sides behind the cats....have the muffler shop fab you an "H or X" pipe. you can get the muffler brackets from this guy clevparts@aol.com shoot him an e-mail and he will give you a price list. he has the pipes, from the H or X pipe to the mufflers that will be stainless steel and the correct diameter. He has the hangers, clamps, and even the frame bolts. I can't say prices on here because he asked for them not to be published. A local mufflers shop fabricated my "H" pipe which looks just like the factory GT "H" pipe out of 2 1/2 inch stainless steel exhaust pipe. Preformance wise.....I could feel a noticeable difference in power. Mine is an automatic but from a stand still it will burn the tires without holding the break on dry pavement, and I have even got it to chirp 2nd " 1 time" with no other mods. Install cost was $215.00..now that will vary from place to place and type of materials that they use. I have pictures somewhere of my system..i'll see if I can find them and post them for you.
Oh yeah I forgot.......Looks wonderful and the sound is so undescribeably wonderful....sometimes I turn the 2100 Watt stereo off just to hear the exhaust note
if the pipes are exactly the same length from the cats to the mufflers nothing. But if you cut into the factory Y pipe there is no way you are making an even length pipe. It would confuse the system and give you a p0137 i beleive. it is a Bank 1 rich code. I set the same code when i pulled of my muffler for 2 weeks. It see that there is a lack of back pressure which is usually a result of accelerating. So in turn it tell the ECU to dump more fuel in. For some reason only a Bank 1 code tho. Im geussing it's due to the length of pipe from driverside to passenger side exhaust as opposed to passenger side to passenger side. I hope you understand that we aren't being straigh out dickheads in this. We are a grouo of people with one passion. THE 4.0!!!!! WE LOVE THEM AND WOULD HATE TO SEE ONE OF OUR UNDERPERFORM OR EVEN MOCKED DUE TO A ****TY JOBE FROM A MOM AND POPS EXHAUST SHOP.. Remember years of years of experience doesn't always mean quality work. It just means for years and years no one has questioned the integrity of a shop.
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Okay,,,,,mature? What's that? Can't take a joke eh?
If you look up a cat back true dual exhaust system, you'll see how it's design is set up for flow and balance. All exhaust systems must be balanced evenly for proper operation. An X pipe dual exhaust offers better cylinder evacuation than an H pipe system. Both systems are balanced. They have also both been engineered by people who know what they are doing and have been extensively tested for proper operation not to mention the years of proof in the field to back it up. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! If it is proven to work, use it! Why try to re-invent the exhaust system? Good ready made stainless steel exhaust systems also last quite a long time and there are no welds to worry about breaking or leaking over time. IMO, there is no way you will get a true balance by tapping into the curved section which is slightly longer than the other side on the Y pipe where you need to introduce a T to go out to the drive side exhaust anyway. You will definately trigger codes as well due to the imbalance and or lack of back pressure on one bank or the other. Other problems may ensue as well and if your engine goes south for some reason, you're warranty is screwed! At the very least, you can purchase a Y pipe adaptor made to do what you are proposing anyway for next to nothing! It won't be true dual but you will have duals at the tail. Personally I see no point in doing that nor trying to mickey mouse an extra pipe on to a single exhaust system. Look at the design of the real X and H pipe systems. You'll understand why your idea is so shocking to others who have purchased and installed the correct system correctly. Unless you're friend at the garage is doing this work for free, you'll end up paying nearly as much for that work as you'd pay for a true dual system that is as easy to install as 1-2-3! You could probably do it yourself if you can follow directions. It's that easy to do it right! If you want more in depth reasons, check with other Ford certified engineers and mechanics... You don't want to mess around with mickey mouse alterations like that on your prized Pony! Trust me, you'll be glad you did it the right way if you do install a true dual system ready made, tested and proven for the job. It's money well spent! Well gee, I hope this was more mature for you. Just one more word of advice, I'd check myself before accusing others of such behavior if I were you. Good luck!
< Message edited by wolfey2k -- 1/17/2007 10:32:40 PM >
DISCLAIMER: The two pictures here is not my actual car. They do however show the exact places my original exhaust system was cut and the exact way it looked with the newpipes in place.
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Well, thanks for the advice!
I'm glad I didn't you guys got me out of doing something stupid. If the guys at the shop are going to propose a plan like that, it's probably not a good idea to go back there...
I was recomended to another place in my area that specializes in custom exhaust earlier today while I was getting my factory radio taken out. The guy said he's had that place do his F150, and he loved it.
The only problem is, I've seen the shop's logo on almost every Ricer around here. That makes me a little weary...
Pearl.....have your pipes cut at the same place on both sides behind the cats....have the muffler shop fab you an "H or X" pipe. you can get the muffler brackets from this guy clevparts@aol.com shoot him an e-mail and he will give you a price list. he has the pipes, from the H or X pipe to the mufflers that will be stainless steel and the correct diameter. He has the hangers, clamps, and even the frame bolts. I can't say prices on here because he asked for them not to be published. A local mufflers shop fabricated my "H" pipe which looks just like the factory GT "H" pipe out of 2 1/2 inch stainless steel exhaust pipe. Preformance wise.....I could feel a noticeable difference in power. Mine is an automatic but from a stand still it will burn the tires without holding the break on dry pavement, and I have even got it to chirp 2nd " 1 time" with no other mods. Install cost was $215.00..now that will vary from place to place and type of materials that they use. I have pictures somewhere of my system..i'll see if I can find them and post them for you.
Tigger, you have a 4.0 automatic that smokes the tires without power braking? Do you still run a stock rear end? Independent slip? Did you add a CAI system and a TUNE before it would do that? Mine won't smoke them just by stomping on the gas like that. I could see doing that with a manual tranny popping the clutch but an automatic? What's the road condition you do it on? Any kind or only on concrete or something like that? Will it do it on all dry road surfaces?
I just threw in a cool x pipe cat back true dual exhaust system and a posi-trac' differential. I'm soon to install my new CAI and tune. I expect quite a nice improvement in low end torque which will definatly help break those tires loose at will! I hope ;-). High end power expected too of course. I'd love it if it smokes first and second! Won't do it that often but it will be friggin fun when I want to get on it for S&G's ;-)
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