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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/11/2007 9:45:12 AM

DelStang86

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i'm gonna try to get the tech book for the 4.0..
q: is the 4.2L in the new f-150 the same engine but w/ different displacement? if so, how does it have the extra disp? it has to be from stroke (for the extra torque) right?

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/11/2007 11:24:30 AM

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the 4.2 from the F-150 isnt a OHC engine... ya i looked into it too. it's a pushrod engine

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/11/2007 12:09:41 PM

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i know for a fact we have a decent amount of room for more stroke. again on the bore i beleive we are close to as far as we could safely take this block. a 4.5 stroker with proper head work and supporting mods would be a monster tho.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 6:30:36 PM

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So... 4.0 **** is down.... any numbers on flap's car yet?

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 6:37:13 PM

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Fazm will post numbers soon I'm sure. As for the other thing, go to my web site for info.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:22:42 PM

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Fazm will post numbers soon I'm sure. As for the other thing, go to my web site for info.

Rygen could you fix the link under the DC auto show like to get some more ("whole lot more") details? :) lol

I am aussming since I think you mentioned its a 4.1 you guys went 30 over to sure up the cylinders should be around 250 c.i I believe, few questions what year 4.0 block are you using and are you using stock oem timing chains and shaft? Were you guys able or did you beef up any these of these items and and or with custom parts?

Looking foward to poof! :)

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:26:26 PM

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I will be putting in some picture descriptions for the dc auto show shortly, along with a deciated post. Have to gather my thoughts, kinda busy with other stuff. :)

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:36:03 PM

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the 4.5L kit would be sick....that would be really nasty. Fast revs of a v6 with the displacement of a v8....o0o0o0o...well almost v8 haha

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:39:44 PM

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the 4.5L kit would be sick....that would be really nasty. Fast revs of a v6 with the displacement of a v8....o0o0o0o...well almost v8 haha

plus more durability with the iron block...a properly setup 4.5 with a blower/turbo=

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:51:51 PM

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I will be putting in some picture descriptions for the dc auto show shortly, along with a deciated post. Have to gather my thoughts, kinda busy with other stuff. :)

I am not sure you got what I meant wasn't talking about the auto show I was talking about the linky not working below the DC auto show ("PH built block, pistons, heads, cams, more boost and a whole lot more!!!') per whole lot more but in case you meant that in your above response no problem if its not ready I have no choice but to wait.:)

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:54:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: Krazer

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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

Fazm will post numbers soon I'm sure. As for the other thing, go to my web site for info.

Rygen could you fix the link under the DC auto show like to get some more ("whole lot more") details? :) lol

ROFL. Now I get it, too many hours working! Yea, more details my ass. I'll give you my paypal address, then we can discuss details. Its classified information. Nice to know someone actually checks out my personal site.

I have had some new discussions that led to the fact that at 4.5, our block will still be strong enough, and could handle boost. What do you all think?

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:55:42 PM

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I will be putting in some picture descriptions for the dc auto show shortly, along with a deciated post. Have to gather my thoughts, kinda busy with other stuff. :)

I am not sure you got what I meant wasn't talking about the auto show I was talking about the linky not working below the DC auto show ("PH built block, pistons, heads, cams, more boost and a whole lot more!!!') per whole lot more but in case you meant that in your above response no problem if its not ready I have no choice but to wait.:)

Heh heh, yea, I got that after I reread it. Sorry dude. You know my phone number.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 7:57:37 PM

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quote:

I am not sure you got what I meant wasn't talking about the auto show I was talking about the linky not working below the DC auto show ("PH built block, pistons, heads, cams, more boost and a whole lot more!!!') per whole lot more but in case you meant that in your above response no problem if its not ready I have no choice but to wait.:)

I don't think that is meant to be a link yet! We are all waiting for the write-up and info pertaining to this.
I got to see his car again today when I dropped my car off, and even PH is keeping the info under wraps until the beast is unleashed lol.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 8:00:53 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

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ORIGINAL: Krazer

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Fazm will post numbers soon I'm sure. As for the other thing, go to my web site for info.

Rygen could you fix the link under the DC auto show like to get some more ("whole lot more") details? :) lol

ROFL. Now I get it, too many hours working! Yea, more details my ass. I'll give you my paypal address, then we can discuss details. Its classified information. Nice to know someone actually checks out my personal site.

I have had some new discussions that led to the fact that at 4.5, our block will still be strong enough, and could handle boost. What do you all think?

The one downside of stoking a motor I have heard about is possible side premature wear on the sides of the pistons and cylinder walls due to the stroke, some guys say might have to rebuild the motor in 20-30 thousand miles. I thought I had read this on a Ranger forum a long time ago but could have been in another forum talking about stroking motors. For a decaited track car this wouldn't really be a problem but a DD putting miles on it would be.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 8:08:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Krazer

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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

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ORIGINAL: Krazer

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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

Fazm will post numbers soon I'm sure. As for the other thing, go to my web site for info.

Rygen could you fix the link under the DC auto show like to get some more ("whole lot more") details? :) lol

ROFL. Now I get it, too many hours working! Yea, more details my ass. I'll give you my paypal address, then we can discuss details. Its classified information. Nice to know someone actually checks out my personal site.

I have had some new discussions that led to the fact that at 4.5, our block will still be strong enough, and could handle boost. What do you all think?

The one downside of stoking a motor I have heard about is possible side premature wear on the sides of the pistons and cylinder walls due to the stroke, some guys say might have to rebuild the motor in 20-30 thousand miles. I thought I had read this on a Ranger forum a long time ago but could have been in another forum talking about stroking motors. For a decaited track car this isn't a problem but a DD putting miles on it would be.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to some of the threads on the ranger forum about this.

@Buckman: Your absolutely right dude. BTW, I'm jealous that you see my car more than I do.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 8:13:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

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ORIGINAL: Krazer

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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

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ORIGINAL: Krazer

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ORIGINAL: rygenstormlocke

Fazm will post numbers soon I'm sure. As for the other thing, go to my web site for info.

Rygen could you fix the link under the DC auto show like to get some more ("whole lot more") details? :) lol

ROFL. Now I get it, too many hours working! Yea, more details my ass. I'll give you my paypal address, then we can discuss details. Its classified information. Nice to know someone actually checks out my personal site.

I have had some new discussions that led to the fact that at 4.5, our block will still be strong enough, and could handle boost. What do you all think?

The one downside of stoking a motor I have heard about is possible side premature wear on the sides of the pistons and cylinder walls due to the stroke, some guys say might have to rebuild the motor in 20-30 thousand miles. I thought I had read this on a Ranger forum a long time ago but could have been in another forum talking about stroking motors. For a decaited track car this isn't a problem but a DD putting miles on it would be.

You wouldn't happen to have a link to some of the threads on the ranger forum about this.

@Buckman: Your absolutely right dude. BTW, I'm jealous that you see my car more than I do.

That was a while ago like 6-8 months you could also talk with some engine builders/machine shops and get thier opinion on if and how true this is but I will look for the thread and link for you.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 8:18:41 PM

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Its cool. I have logons into those sites, I will head over there and do some searches. Also, I will make some calls to the builders I know and get some more meat for this discussion.

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 9:48:39 PM

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Rygen did some searching I can not find that exact link as it was from a long time ago it was a thread talking about stroking a motor and the pros and cons.
I did find some other info regarding the subject I mentioned above which I posted below but will also till try and find the one I mentioned as time permits. The below will give you an ideal on stroked motors (concerns) in general, also since the 4.0 really hasn't been tested in stroked configuration I would think twice about putting one together as a DD unless of course its no problem to rebuild for you should there be premature wear. It seems like to many variables rod length, piston skirt length etc in motor that hasn't been tested stroked and componets are limited.

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The longer rod also prevents the piston from being pulled out the bottom of the cylinder bore. Rod Ratio and rod angularity are especially important issues to consider before simply choosing the stroker kit that yields the largest displacement for your application. We will discuss these topics in the following section.
Rod Ratio (Rod to Stroke Ratio)Rod Ratio or Rod to Stroke Ratio is the figure achieved when dividing a motor's rod length by its' stroke. This is an important calculation to understand since it informs us about a motor's rod angularity. A low Rod Ratio yields a high rod angle. For example, a motor with a 5.400" rod length and a 3.000" stroke yields a rod ratio of 1.8:1. If we maintain the same stroke and shorten the rod length to 5.000" we get a 1.7:1 rod ratio. The rod angle has increased. A high rod angle or low Rod Ratio creates a greater potential for accelerated wear to cylinder walls, pistons, and piston rings. The illustrations below show why this is so. Figure 5 is exaggerated for effect but clearly shows how an extremely low Rod Ratio can drive the piston into the side of the cylinder wall. Figure 4. Low Rod Angle. (High Rod Ratio) Figure 5. High Rod Angle. (Low Rod Ratio)
http://www.mustangforums.com/post.asp?do=reply&messageID=2536435&toStyle=tm

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It seems as if half of the Ford crowd is convinced the 347 is not an ideal street motor due to rapid wear on the rings (from the relatively low rod ratio) and increased oil burning.. The other half feels the piston pin issue is a non-issue, and refers to the number of satisfied 347 owners using them in daily drivers.

Several companies are offering kits with custom pistons which raise the oil ring grooves above the pin hole. The Coast High Performance 347 kits accomplish this with a 0.085" shorter rod (5.315")). Naturally these 347 kits are more expensive, and critics say area above the piston crown becomes so thin that the piston is prone to breaking at the ring lands upon the slightest detonation. We've actually seen this very thing in a supercharged 347. http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2002/04/331/

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 9:56:15 PM

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Krazer, thanks for the research, I am going to be paying a lot of attention to these kinds of threads for future reference. I am very anxious to see how this plays out for our 4.0

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RE: hmmm n/a build is starting to look good. - 1/27/2007 9:59:26 PM

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Krazer, thanks for the research, I am going to be paying a lot of attention to these kinds of threads for future reference. I am very anxious to see how this plays out for our 4.0

No problem and thanks again for your help and info regarding my questions per my pm the other day.

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