I think the the warranty is a sham. It seems to me the warranty goes thru Ford, NOT Saleen. So if any of the regular parts fail, Ford will replace them but if anything happens to the engine, I really cant see Ford doing anything about it.
If I were to buy the car, I would get in writing that Ford will cover ALL parts for 1 year/12,000 miles.
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DB28 not bad considering you have an ambulance chaser for an attorney. His office or should I say garage must have plenty of space considering what he looks like, showing up with a jersey and a camping chairto a dealer. nice !
DB28 not bad considering you have an ambulance chaser for an attorney. His office or should I say garage must have plenty of space considering what he looks like, showing up with a jersey and a camping chairto a dealer. nice !
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You're probably right, but wasn't the owner refusing to try the simple remedy of turning off the radio before turning off the ignition? My car drained the battery a couple times the first year I owned it when I let it sit for a week or more. Ever since adopting the easy habit of turning off the stereo before pulling out the key, however, I have had no hint of this issue, even after storing it unused for weeks. There may be a more elegant fix for this, and yes in a perfect world it shouldn't happen in the first place, but it is the kind of little thing that sometimes happens in early model years of a car
Early model years? They still do this, four years later. I guess designing an automotive electrical system that kills power to current sucking sources when the driver pulls the key it too tough for Ford.
By the way, turning off the radio may help, but it isn't the cure. I (and many others) never even listen to thing, and my car will kill the battery if I don't drive for about ten days. Ford (not Saleen) has had a problem with these Mustangs from day one, and they don't seem to know how to fix it. I bet anything the new owner of that E will have a dead battery if he lets it sit.
Todays vehicles cannot just sit without drain issues. Number 1 issue is the radio system, but by turning it OFF prior to removing the key can solve most issues.
I have three other cars here newer than '03, none of which require something this freaking stupid. If I took a car to a stereo shop to have work done and they told me I'd always have to shut the radio off prior to removing the key or the battery would die, I'd tell them to get back in there and rewire the thing CORRECTLY. Because that is most definitely not correct operation on anything built in the last 30 years.
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^^WRONG^^!!!!!! Today's radios are 100% electronic and have internal batteries on the circuit boards to hold the memory of ALL THE VARIOUS settings (stations, bass/treble settings, etc.....) for the non-volatile memory. So to say that is not correct for anything in the last 30 years is bogus. These radios in question are FACTORY, not stereo shop custom jobs.
Now, have radio makers done something wrong lately....probably, but do I have an issue with turning my radio off before I shut down the engine....not in the least.
If you are bored and want to come to southern Indianapolis, please come on in and I will show you a 2000 Mazda Miata, a 2000 Corvette, and my 2005 Mustang that will ALL start right up after 3 months of storage with the radio in the OFF position (all factory systems) or if all were left in the ON position....all would be dead requiring a jump-start.
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I have let my E sit around for 2 weeks and it started up just fine and I can tell you that I didnt turn off the radio. I dont even know where the power button is on the Avic Z1.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute...... I was leaving MY stereo on when stopping motor and just about when db28 was having all his problems. You don't suppose............?
^^WRONG^^!!!!!! Today's radios are 100% electronic and have internal batteries on the circuit boards to hold the memory of ALL THE VARIOUS settings (stations, bass/treble settings, etc.....) for the non-volatile memory.
And requiring a driver to turn the radio off before removing the key has nothing to do with any of that. There's nothing you're doing electrically when you push that on/off button that couldn't be done automatically. Whether you turn it off manually or let the car shut it off, any radio is going to draw a tiny bit of power to retain its settings. Obviously a Mustang is drawing more than holding those settings requires, and it's only doing it if you don't push a button, which is nothing but a backwardsass design flaw.
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So to say that is not correct for anything in the last 30 years is bogus.
Nothing I said was wrong or bogus. Either the radio is designed incorrectly, or the car's electrical system was designed incorrectly. No car I've had in 30 years has ever required to me turn the radio off before removing the key, and all of them had electronic settings that they'd hold perfectly regardless.
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If you are bored and want to come to southern Indianapolis, please come on in and I will show you a 2000 Mazda Miata, a 2000 Corvette, and my 2005 Mustang that will ALL start right up after 3 months of storage with the radio in the OFF position (all factory systems) or if all were left in the ON position....all would be dead requiring a jump-start.
Then those are some messed up cars. But look around any Mustang forum and you'll see hundreds of people who have dead batteries after a few weeks - even if the the radio was manually shut off. I'm one of them. And run this stuff about having to shut off the radio manually on almost any other car forum and people will look at you like you're crazy. There's no way a car in 2008 was designed this way on purpose. It's too stupid.
^^WRONG^^!!!!!! Today's radios are 100% electronic and have internal batteries on the circuit boards to hold the memory of ALL THE VARIOUS settings (stations, bass/treble settings, etc.....) for the non-volatile memory. So to say that is not correct for anything in the last 30 years is bogus. These radios in question are FACTORY, not stereo shop custom jobs.
Now, have radio makers done something wrong lately....probably, but do I have an issue with turning my radio off before I shut down the engine....not in the least.
If you are bored and want to come to southern Indianapolis, please come on in and I will show you a 2000 Mazda Miata, a 2000 Corvette, and my 2005 Mustang that will ALL start right up after 3 months of storage with the radio in the OFF position (all factory systems) or if all were left in the ON position....all would be dead requiring a jump-start.
I have to respectfully disagree with you here.
I have had numerous trucks and cars over the last 20 years, and have never had one "go dead" because it sat too long until I got my Saleen.
My daily driver, a 2007 GMC Sierra has EVERY option available, including the NAV system which keeps current GPS location and map info while the truck is off. It has the Bose hi-performance stereo with sub and amps which draw current while the ignitions off, and it also draws current for the Onstar system so that the doors can be unlocked remotely via satellite if needed.
That truck sat for almost 3 weeks while I was in Greece, in 40 degree weather, and started right up when I returned. I didn't turn off the radio before I shut it off, I didn't walk round the truck backwards or perform any black magic-I turned the engine off and took the key out.
My Saleen sits in a garage, in a climate controlled setting, and the battery goes dead within 8-10 days whether I switch the radio off or not before turning off the engine. I finally broke down and bought a Battery Tender so that I didn't have to worry about it anymore.
Ridiculous.
The Mustang problem is a design flaw, its a widespread documented problem, and one that should have been corrected period.
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^ I agree with Eric, and was gonna put a little challenge to Jasons post as well, although I think he mis-spoke by mistake (you know I love ya Axeman )
I have an '02 (as well as an aftermarket sound system due to stock systems nearly ALWAYS suck ) but there is an issue with the stereo head-unit as he described. I have never heard of this issue on any other car, but don't shop other forums as I am monogamous to MF's .
Eric is also correct that ALL modern stereo head-units draw a certain amount of power to keep memory alive (again, I think Jason didn't clarify well on this point). My understanding is the amplifier trigger switch that is sent power by head-unit is not consistantly released when key is turned off while sound system is "on". Personally, If I had an '05+ Stang, I would have pulled that baby out (as I did with my '02) within weeks of purchasing the car, and probably would have not had a dead battery issue at all
Reguarding the stock stereos, I say "Yank it, so you can Crank it and........ don't wake me up to Bank it????? I thought there was a Ted joke somewhere in there, but was wrong
Wait a minute, wait a minute...... I was leaving MY stereo on when stopping motor and just about when db28 was having all his problems. You don't suppose............?
Sorry db
Thanks for the laugh, great way to start the day.
I'm sorry for those who aren't able to solve the battery drain simply by turning off the radio first, guess I am lucky to have a simple solution that doesn't bother me to use. For those who aren't so fortunate, I wonder if switching to an Optima or the like would extend the time until drain enough to make a difference? Personally I would use it as an excuse to dump the factory stereo, but I understand how frustrating this problem would be and agree that folks should not have to spend their own dollars for a solution.
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I have an on 04 Saleen SC , factory stereo/ I start it up once a month or so and let it run for 10-15 minutes. I broke my leg on Feb 14th (I was about to fix a garage support beam that had popped off because of all the snow on my roof) but before I did I had pulled the car out of the garage and let it sit and idle for about 15-20 minutes I guess. I just really got going again yesterday April 12, so that is about 8 weeks and 2 days since the car was last started. It wanted to turn over but then when clickety click and I had to jump it. I got it running let it go for about 20 minutes and everything is fine. So I dont know if this problem was an issue on the 99 -04 cars as well. I just thought this was a normal issue, A car sits in the cold (non heated garage) and it gets drawn down by the stereo, the alarm and whatever else. So I guess I dont have an issue if it takes 7-8 weeks for that to happen. Now my 89 Saleen it would do it after about a month when I stored the car. So I stopped leaving the battery in the car and just unhooked it and put it in the closet near the kithchen where it was room temperature. But I would still have to jump it every year. I had smaller pulleys on that car and I was told the parasitic hP that I was saving was actually bad as that is what helped to juice the battery more when I drove it. But that car was only used for 1000 or so miles a year like this one, so I just chalked it up to a cost of doing business. Now one last point and I will get off the stump speach. it is un-acceptabel to me that if I spent $60,000 and every time I let my car sit for a week w/o starting it I then had to jump it. I would be Pissed off. To me that would not be a normal part of doing business.
Just another opinion and as we all know..... everyone has one..
Peace.
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But I would guess that means yours was wired correctly 
) but there is an issue with the stereo head-unit as he described. I have never heard of this issue on any other car, but don't shop other forums as I am monogamous to MF's 
I thought there was a Ted joke somewhere in there, but was wrong 
