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i just don't understand why you'd buy a v-6 and supercharge it. why not just buy the GT, which is N/A, and built from the factory to handle 300hp and 320 tq? and with full factory warranty! these days you can buy a GT OTD for $25-$26k, which is less than you'd pay for a V6 + s/c + install + the parts you need to go with it, like LSD, etc.
seriously...trade in your car for a GT, and happy...no point in supercharging a v6 when you can get a n/a v8 with just as much power in stock form...and with full warranty!!!
Because we can and want to.
uh...ok then. you do that. but seriously, don't you think if you care that much about performance you would've been better off buying a GT and supercharging it??? tons more power, better times, more fun, and not much more money. i don't see why you'd go the v6 route...v6's are for better gas, lower cost, lower insurance, and looks only...certainly not performance. anyone that performance minded that they'd shell out $5k for a s/c should've just gotten a GT...
but to each his own.
edit: i understand rygen and scrming, and why they are doing what they are, but for the rest of you...unless it's the thrill of making a v6 super fast or having a sleeper car, it's a waste of time and money. you're always better off starting with the best platform, and going from there. you are only putting yourself at a disadvantage starting with the v6. i mean, imagine what rygen or scrming could have done with a v8....i mean wow, now THAT would be even more impressive, i'm sure. we'd be seeing 600-700hp...instead we're seeing them at 300-400. *sigh* oh well, whatever floats your boat.
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I like the six, like the cast iron block it comes with. And really like the new numbers I'm getting out of it. Blown V8's will not be an issue for my car. I'm hunting Vettes, low 11 second cars and high 10 second cars next season.
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ORIGINAL: imyy4u
i just don't understand why you'd buy a v-6 and supercharge it. why not just buy the GT, which is N/A, and built from the factory to handle 300hp and 320 tq? and with full factory warranty! these days you can buy a GT OTD for $25-$26k, which is less than you'd pay for a V6 + s/c + install + the parts you need to go with it, like LSD, etc.
seriously...trade in your car for a GT, and happy...no point in supercharging a v6 when you can get a n/a v8 with just as much power in stock form...and with full warranty!!!
The V6 is lighter of the front end (better for handling) Has more room around it in the engine bay if you do your own work (I happen to) Looks better overall imho (less of the "installed with a showhorn) look) Has a solid reliability reputation
Includes the look of dismay on the face of a V8 driver when they get beaten by "just a six"
In addition, my car has a Detroit Truetrac, even if I'd bought a GT the Ford part would have been yanked in favor of the Truetrac, so no savings there
If Carrol Shelby see's a point in supercharging the 4.0L V6 (which he clearly does with the CS6) I figure we're in good company. Not to be rude, but I value his opinion a wee bit more that yours.
< Message edited by Torch_Vert -- 1/18/2007 12:25:45 PM >
1. Many folks like working on cars. The V6 with supercharger is less expensive than a GT with supercharger. Not everybody is out to spend maximum dollars. Buy a GT and, wow, you have a GT just like 100,000 other GT owners. Nothing special, nothing different, just more of the same. I've been to car shows where people stroll by all the GT (yawning) and then stop at a supercharged or turboed 6'er and really gloat over it.
2. Many people bought their cars when GT's were far more expensive. I purchased my leftover '05 vert LOADED for $24,000. At the time I bought, the best deal I could get on a GT vert with LESS options was about $32,000. So I am $8000 ahead with V6. Now I add a supercharger for $3600, and install it myself, and add $1000 of other stuff, and I end up with a car that will spank a GT, at a total cost of $28,600. That's $3,400 less than a SLOWER GT.
3. If you ALREADY have a V6, just saying "sell it and get a GT" totally misses the point that ANYBODY selling an '05-06 Mustang will take a bath selling it used or a TOTAL bath trading it. If you bought your sixer for $22000, and you pay it off, and now you go to sell it or trade it, you will be lucky to get $15000. So you do that, and now you go to get your GT for $26,000..... bingo, you just put out $11,000 more bucks. So why WOULDN'T you put out $4000 and supercharge it and be $7000 ahead?
4. If you do a power adder like the XCharger, I STILL get better gas mileage for normal driving, and I still get lower insurance costs. The power is there when I want it, and the boost is dumped when I don't want it. Best of BOTH worlds.
Having said all that, if I was buying TODAY, I might give more consideration to a GT, but I am NOT buying today. And I still might get the sixer for the fun of modding the car myself, and having something novel.
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Thanks to eveyone so far for keeping the discussion civilized in response to imyy4u (who was also respectful in his posts). The lack of flaming really speaks well of the 4.0L V6 community...
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I like the six, like the cast iron block it comes with. And really like the new numbers I'm getting out of it. Blown V8's will not be an issue for my car. I'm hunting Vettes, low 11 second cars and high 10 second cars next season.
how much does it cost to do that?
i've got an old beater 3.8 that i could work on.
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I like the six, like the cast iron block it comes with. And really like the new numbers I'm getting out of it. Blown V8's will not be an issue for my car. I'm hunting Vettes, low 11 second cars and high 10 second cars next season.
how much does it cost to do that?
i've got an old beater 3.8 that i could work on.
Getting the 4.0 into the high to mid 11's on stock block is doable with a very conservative tune, more boost and supporting setup (suspension, tires, etc). 10's takes a lot more work, I don't even want to go there. To get the 3.8 into the 10's, I know a few that did it with a TMA twin turbo. The guy who knows how to push the 3.8's is Justin with VMP tuning. Hes got a stock block 3.8 in the 10's. A lot of the 3.8 guys have built motors, pistons, cams, etc. Delk got thier 3.8 into the 9's. I need to check out the 3.8 section here, I know there are a bunch of hard core 3.8 guys over on v6power.net. The 3.8s make great dedicated track cars, parts are cheap for them.
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Soldshort copied a post of mine on building a 4.0 performance car that listed prices. After I hit high 12's is when the mod list on my site went from being a minimalist to a high junkie. I was able to hit high 12's on 8.5lbs of boost, and had probably 6.7K I think into the car at that time in performance mods.
I'm not the right model for for such an comparrison. I got addicted real quick and started shot gunning my mods. A good example is Ranebowcyxx's car. He runs 12.8s with his Procharger, I think hes at 3.5K in mods and did it on street tires. The costs for the 4.0 are higher than the 3.8 from what I heard. Hes still under the 25K marker for the car with his appearance mods as well, I think. I need to ask him again.
So if you are comparing it to your 3.8 then I wouldn't count on my numbers. For example, TMA turbo kits for the 3.8 are 3.5 to 4.2k depending on the kit. Here is a good list if you are looking to mod that 3.8:
I paid, with taxes and everything else, $20500 out the door. I have an '06 V6 Premium, Pony Package, manual transmission, leather, interior sport appearance package, Skipper500. More than enough goodies for me.
I then got the Flowmaster AT axle-back for $225, K & N Aircharger for $200, and my SCT XCal2 was a birthday present from the girlfriend (what a woman!). The GT front end isn't a performance mod, but that was paid for by the guy who backed into me at the gas station.
Now, I've got the X-Charger Hi-Po kit on the way for $3595, the 2.8" pulley and tunes for $225. I'm going to do the install myself (I think). So, I should be able to beat a mildly modded GT (correct me if I'm wrong). My total cost in mods comes to $4245. That brings my total cost for the car to $24,745. You can't get a GT for that I'm sure, and I'm fairly certain that my version should be able to outperform a GT.
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Beaustang passing some info on to ya, I talked to Doug yesterday pulley, tune and on running 4.10’s with the X Charger of course mentioned higher rpms per (non factor imo for me) express way driving which we already know and also tq with the X charger. But he said if looking mainly for performance you will run a faster ¼ mile ET with the 4.10’s vs the 373’s with the X Charger.
The other thing I am thinking and hope about this setup I also love imo when you can nail the throttle from a roll in first gear and just light up the tires and have the rear end walk out a little bit this to me is pure street fun. Of course at the track no doubt will need drag radials but intend anyway on getting a set I am thinking 4.10’s and the X Charger might be the hot setup for track ET’s but we will see.
Just to point to a couple cars that Evo GT 500 Shelby Mustang 5.4 with a Eaton supercharger is running well over 500rwhp and 500rwtq and is running 4.10’s.There is a guy out by me running 04 Mustang supercharged close to 500rwhp & 500rwtq guy is running 4.30’s street driven. If your looking for performance like mentioned above and fast et’s I think your going to like your 4.10’s if your not into the above stuff then 373’s might be the gears for you.
I didn’t know you had 4.10’s with your manual till you mentioned it looks like you the only one also look forward to you opinion once you get the X Charger installed.
13 X Chargers sold think they rasied the cap from 12 to 18 if anyone is till thinking about it.
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