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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:04:01 PM   
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only problem if i was to get any of the set-ups mentioned here i would always be "in the boost" my driving style is as we say "spirited" or "bat out of hell". Get what i mean. Not a big deal if engine breaks on me by 80K miles, im at 19k already. I mean it is a big deal but i don't think the car will last  me that long anyways. Maybe 100k miles till i upgrade and put her in the garage for a new school resto-mod.



about 5 miles of freeway between me an dmy store and my car sees the pedal on the floor almost everyday on that road no problems yet o_O I think any of the systems will run on the car safely for a while. The manufacturers of these products test them and stand by them not to kill your car. Its when you start making the boost even more when you might see problems which is why the makers of the products void your warranty on the booster at that point o_O.

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:04:43 PM   
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rygenstorm let me give you an example

When driving normal I like to accelerate with my manaul and shift at 3500 -4500 rpms I can do this with the X-Charger and not be under boost with light acceleration with the centri and turbo I will always be be under boost during those rpms.
 
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Yes hopefully one of the X Charger guys will post if I am wrong.
 

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:08:27 PM   
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yeah i see what you mean Krazer....im just not sure if thats how it works....sure at cruise it will be bypassing but at 4500....i just dont see that happening lol but maybe...the x is not hooked into the computer it doesnt know if the pedal is mashed or not, it only knows how fast its turning.....but again i may be wrongim still learning...where are "the X men" when we need them! LOL

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:09:39 PM   
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..where are "the X men" when we need them! LOL



having fun burning rubber with their xchargers o_O


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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:12:19 PM   
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yeah all except bscottie who is busy changing out his Passenger tire from burnouts LOL

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:16:37 PM   
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OK,  I'm car illiterate when it comes to tuning up cars. I'm great with fixing or replacing anything, I guess you can call me a self-mechanic.
Anyways, I have a 05 V6 Automatic, and I want to tune it up with the best stuff.
I hear all this talk about superchargers, and zero talk if they can be put on an automatic. I wouldn't mind purchasing a supercharger but can you put one of them in a V6 4.0 automatic?
If you guys can hit me with some info about the best parts for tuning up a 05 V6 Automatic, I would appreciate it.

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:19:56 PM   
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OK,  I'm car illiterate when it comes to tuning up cars. I'm great with fixing or replacing anything, I guess you can call me a self-mechanic.
Anyways, I have a 05 V6 Automatic, and I want to tune it up with the best stuff.
I hear all this talk about superchargers, and zero talk if they can be put on an automatic. I wouldn't mind purchasing a supercharger but can you put one of them in a V6 4.0 automatic?
If you guys can hit me with some info about the best parts for tuning up a 05 V6 Automatic, I would appreciate it.


Rygen is turbo automatic
Myself and scrming are automatic centi supercharged
Afixer is xcharger auto i believe

Thats the ones that come off the top of my head. It is very possible and fun =)


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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:25:35 PM   
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Air intake supercharger kit, I mean.

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:31:22 PM   
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any of them will fit. Procharger has a kit Theres XCharger and Theres vortech. I personally use the vortech. You tend to see a little bit higher numbers on the procharger for some reason (not sure if its because procharger people may have mor emods than vortech) but procharger seems to have the most problems. I havent seen a problem with the vortech yet. Xcharger is the newest and is a roots type blower instead of centrifugal so it would definately be more fun on the street i think. Other than that for turbo there is powerhouse and ssm. Xcharger supposedly has the simplest install so if your good at repairing your car you may be able to do it yourself. 

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 10:54:10 PM   
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yeah i see what you mean Krazer....im just not sure if thats how it works....sure at cruise it will be bypassing but at 4500....i just dont see that happening lol but maybe...the x is not hooked into the computer it doesnt know if the pedal is mashed or not, it only knows how fast its turning.....but again i may be wrongim still learning...where are "the X men" when we need them! LOL


Yeah I had talked to Dave from EE and from what I remember if I remember correctly when talking with him about how the bypass valve works he said the gas pedal either has to be a little past half way (or maybe it was 3/4 down) down to the floor for the bypass valve to close and boost to come on.

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 11:22:07 PM   
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where are "the X men" when we need them! LOL


It was 65 here in Boston today. Where do you think I was? Cruisin' with the top down of course :D

It was also the first time my daughter has been in the car when I did a full "test" of the Truetrac torque transfer capabilities. I can probably charge her for admission next time LOL

Krazer is quite correct, you can accelerate pretty briskly with the X installed without going into boost at all. About 3/4 throttle seems to be the point where the demon under the hood wakes up and starts making it's presence known.


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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/5/2007 11:47:25 PM   
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where are "the X men" when we need them! LOL


It was 65 here in Boston today. Where do you think I was? Cruisin' with the top down of course :D

It was also the first time my daughter has been in the car when I did a full "test" of the Truetrac torque transfer capabilities. I can probably charge her for admission next time LOL

Krazer is quite correct, you can accelerate pretty briskly with the X installed without going into boost at all. About 3/4 throttle seems to be the point where the demon under the hood wakes up and starts making it's presence known.



With my Vortech I can accelerate pretty good without getting in to the boost...  Never paid attention to the % of pedal travel.. but I can take off from a light pretty briskly without hitting the boost... LOL!

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 12:03:20 AM   
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i think the x's boost bypass valve is run off of the actual throttle position...not the gas pedal, but the throttle inside the ummm throttle body lol.

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 12:13:17 AM   
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i think the x's boost bypass valve is run off of the actual throttle position...not the gas pedal, but the throttle inside the ummm throttle body lol.


It's actually run off engine vacuum (or lack thereof)

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 12:15:03 AM   
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i think the x's boost bypass valve is run off of the actual throttle position...not the gas pedal, but the throttle inside the ummm throttle body lol.


It's actually run off engine vacuum (or lack thereof)


ahhhh i see.


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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 12:49:38 AM   
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Xman here (LOL), here's my 2 cents worth since I have both kits and have tried to see as many different scenarios as possible while driving around

bypass opens anytime there is vacuum in the engine, which for "average" city and moderate hwy cruising is almost all the time for me (no boost)

on my boost gauge I can accelerate lightly and stay under boost and out of vacuum depending on what I am doing, I have seen my tach at +/- 2500 rpms  on the hwy and no boost on this acceleration, from a slower roll or dead stop, at 2500 rpms I am generally into boost, which can vary from as little as 1-2psi to as much as 5-6psi, I have never seen the full 9-10psi boost except at WOT pushing over 4 or 5k on rpms, you cant hit full boost with the hi-po at 2k rpms

if I run the hi-po kit on the street I generally leave the meth/water off unless I know I am gonna be hammerin the throttle, the small instant that I will hit any major boost on the street to me doesnt allow for a chance to get much of a spray from the kit, there isnt a whole lot of areas you can stay on the throttle while on the street before you are going way too fast

my car is an automatic also

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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 12:49:56 AM   
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Ok. they got this
PROCHARGER Satin Finish HO Intercooled V6 Supercharger System 7-9 PSI
for $3,986.20
But I can't find any other ones. Is there any other supercharge air intake systems?

05, V6 Pony,
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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 12:55:20 AM   
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Ok. they got this
PROCHARGER Satin Finish HO Intercooled V6 Supercharger System 7-9 PSI
for $3,986.20
But I can't find any other ones. Is there any other supercharge air intake systems?

05, V6 Pony,
Automatic


http://explorerexpresscom.nationprotect.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=86_87
http://www.joeblowracing.com/index.php/cPath/1_1112_1113_1115?osCsid=6195024ddbd6bc8391e75ec7924d0ab7
^^^gotta call for pricing on that one
i beleive procharger, vortech, and xcharger are the only blower kits out for our cars...maybe i am forgetting one, but i don't think so...


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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 1:08:11 AM   
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where are "the X men" when we need them! LOL


It was 65 here in Boston today. Where do you think I was? Cruisin' with the top down of course :D

It was also the first time my daughter has been in the car when I did a full "test" of the Truetrac torque transfer capabilities. I can probably charge her for admission next time LOL

Krazer is quite correct, you can accelerate pretty briskly with the X installed without going into boost at all. About 3/4 throttle seems to be the point where the demon under the hood wakes up and starts making it's presence known.



Torch questions since you have a manual, so could we shift gears at let say 3500 -4500 rpms under normal acceleration (valve stay open) without being in boost?

Torch any plans of going to the 2.80 pulley and if so are you going with water injection?



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RE: X-Charger and boost questions - 1/6/2007 1:12:20 AM   
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Ok. they got this
PROCHARGER Satin Finish HO Intercooled V6 Supercharger System 7-9 PSI
for $3,986.20
But I can't find any other ones. Is there any other supercharge air intake systems?

05, V6 Pony,
Automatic



http://explorerexpresscom.nationprotect.net/catalog/index.php?cPath=86_87
http://www.joeblowracing.com/index.php/cPath/1_1112_1113_1115?osCsid=6195024ddbd6bc8391e75ec7924d0ab7
^^^gotta call for pricing on that one
i beleive procharger, vortech, and xcharger are the only blower kits out for our cars...maybe i am forgetting one, but i don't think so...



There is also the Paxton Novi 1200 s/c, also Fast auto has 5% off on the X Charger.


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