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JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/22/2006 12:03:03 PM
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I am thinking of installing JBA shorty headers on my 05 V6. Has anyone have these? What are the gains? Are they easy to install (how long). I have a single exhaust magnaflow muffler. What do you all think.
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/22/2006 12:14:44 PM
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I am thinking of installing JBA shorty headers on my 05 V6. Has anyone have these? What are the gains? Are they easy to install (how long). I have a single exhaust magnaflow muffler. What do you all think.
I think your gains will be minimal....
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/22/2006 12:42:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: ottawapony
I am thinking of installing JBA shorty headers on my 05 V6. Has anyone have these? What are the gains? Are they easy to install (how long). I have a single exhaust magnaflow muffler. What do you all think.
I have these on my car and "INSTALLED THEM MYSELF" There are gains you will see 10-20hp from the shortys. I guess the 3.8L mustangs must have the same exhaust ports because the directions that came with them are for the 3.8L and gaskets were wraped up in the directions. Its no walk in the park to install these to be honest its far more deciveing there are little things you have to deal with all that space to work on it in the engine bay made it look so easy to me. You have to use small brackets "PROVIDED IN THE KIT" to move the coil pack over about an inch on the driver side. On the passanger side you have to loosen up the radiator hose bracketry thats mounted on the side of the engine because both on the driver side and passanger side of the engine the flange of the jba headers is perty thick and these brackets must sit on top of them. Its kinda a pain to get to the bolts on the side of the engine block but the worst part of it is getting under the car to loosen up the ones from the stock exhaust manifold to the collectos/catalytic converters. There are two removeable studs on the stock manifolds, I didnt realize that they were removeable studs till I broke one because I kept torqeing it off with my torque wrench. Make sure you use a socket wrench + an open end wrench when you take these bolts off these studs. Ill either find some pictures or take some of the bitch part. BUT to top it all off I think the hardest part for me was tightening the 25mm egr bolt back on. My 25mm open end is huge! So I couldent fit it in there correctly. But it took me like 10min to thread it on and tighten it.
In the long run its worth putting headers on almost any car. As long as they are desniged correctly they will move air away faster than any cast manifold that is made. However FORD did make these new casts better than they ever made on any previous v6 mustang. On older 3.8 models the cast manifolds would crack because condensation would drip on them from the a/c lines. I do know that Ford made these casts thicker and more duarable, and they hold heat better because of this cast makeing these cars do well in emissions as well. If you want to lower heat in the engine bay get a set of headers, you will see a power increase because the air is move efficently moved out of the engine. Its a far larger increase that any intake will give you. Your torqe band will move up and you can feel it until you shift around 5500rpm. Definately worth it.
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/22/2006 2:46:37 PM
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ORIGINAL: ottawapony
I am thinking of installing JBA shorty headers on my 05 V6. Has anyone have these? What are the gains? Are they easy to install (how long). I have a single exhaust magnaflow muffler. What do you all think.
I have these on my car and "INSTALLED THEM MYSELF" There are gains you will see 10-20hp from the shortys. I guess the 3.8L mustangs must have the same exhaust ports because the directions that came with them are for the 3.8L and gaskets were wraped up in the directions. Its no walk in the park to install these to be honest its far more deciveing there are little things you have to deal with all that space to work on it in the engine bay made it look so easy to me. You have to use small brackets "PROVIDED IN THE KIT" to move the coil pack over about an inch on the driver side. On the passanger side you have to loosen up the radiator hose bracketry thats mounted on the side of the engine because both on the driver side and passanger side of the engine the flange of the jba headers is perty thick and these brackets must sit on top of them. Its kinda a pain to get to the bolts on the side of the engine block but the worst part of it is getting under the car to loosen up the ones from the stock exhaust manifold to the collectos/catalytic converters. There are two removeable studs on the stock manifolds, I didnt realize that they were removeable studs till I broke one because I kept torqeing it off with my torque wrench. Make sure you use a socket wrench + an open end wrench when you take these bolts off these studs. Ill either find some pictures or take some of the bitch part. BUT to top it all off I think the hardest part for me was tightening the 25mm egr bolt back on. My 25mm open end is huge! So I couldent fit it in there correctly. But it took me like 10min to thread it on and tighten it.
In the long run its worth putting headers on almost any car. As long as they are desniged correctly they will move air away faster than any cast manifold that is made. However FORD did make these new casts better than they ever made on any previous v6 mustang. On older 3.8 models the cast manifolds would crack because condensation would drip on them from the a/c lines. I do know that Ford made these casts thicker and more duarable, and they hold heat better because of this cast makeing these cars do well in emissions as well. If you want to lower heat in the engine bay get a set of headers, you will see a power increase because the air is move efficently moved out of the engine. Its a far larger increase that any intake will give you. Your torqe band will move up and you can feel it until you shift around 5500rpm. Definately worth it.
I doubt you would even see 10RWHP gain... let alone 20!! LOL! Paul's shop did a JBA headers and JBA mufflers and only seen 17RWHP... 10 of that is just probably the muffler!! A GT take muffler is good for 10RWHP... you figure a JBA muffler should be as good as that...
put of course your the guy that gets a big gain out of his TB spacer while everyone else's dyno test show ZERO gains... LOL!
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/22/2006 5:07:14 PM
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Well I can't speak for NA but I when I got my supercharger put on I made 275hp 285tq in 111 degree weather with no headers. I had the headers put on, had my driveshaft put on and took it to the dyno. It was 86 degrees out compared to 111. My car made about 300 hp & tq. I got about 25 hp gain and 15 tq gain. I don't think all that gain was cooler weather and aluminum driveshaft, I think the jba shortie headers had something to do with it.
In my opinion, FI they make a great difference. The whole car had a better response in the earlier rpms before I even got it tuned, felt alot stronger. They are definitly worth it. I got the chrome JBA shorties for about $230.00 shipped.
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/22/2006 6:08:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: ottawapony
I am thinking of installing JBA shorty headers on my 05 V6. Has anyone have these? What are the gains? Are they easy to install (how long). I have a single exhaust magnaflow muffler. What do you all think.
I have these on my car and "INSTALLED THEM MYSELF" There are gains you will see 10-20hp from the shortys. I guess the 3.8L mustangs must have the same exhaust ports because the directions that came with them are for the 3.8L and gaskets were wraped up in the directions. Its no walk in the park to install these to be honest its far more deciveing there are little things you have to deal with all that space to work on it in the engine bay made it look so easy to me. You have to use small brackets "PROVIDED IN THE KIT" to move the coil pack over about an inch on the driver side. On the passanger side you have to loosen up the radiator hose bracketry thats mounted on the side of the engine because both on the driver side and passanger side of the engine the flange of the jba headers is perty thick and these brackets must sit on top of them. Its kinda a pain to get to the bolts on the side of the engine block but the worst part of it is getting under the car to loosen up the ones from the stock exhaust manifold to the collectos/catalytic converters. There are two removeable studs on the stock manifolds, I didnt realize that they were removeable studs till I broke one because I kept torqeing it off with my torque wrench. Make sure you use a socket wrench + an open end wrench when you take these bolts off these studs. Ill either find some pictures or take some of the bitch part. BUT to top it all off I think the hardest part for me was tightening the 25mm egr bolt back on. My 25mm open end is huge! So I couldent fit it in there correctly. But it took me like 10min to thread it on and tighten it.
In the long run its worth putting headers on almost any car. As long as they are desniged correctly they will move air away faster than any cast manifold that is made. However FORD did make these new casts better than they ever made on any previous v6 mustang. On older 3.8 models the cast manifolds would crack because condensation would drip on them from the a/c lines. I do know that Ford made these casts thicker and more duarable, and they hold heat better because of this cast makeing these cars do well in emissions as well. If you want to lower heat in the engine bay get a set of headers, you will see a power increase because the air is move efficently moved out of the engine. Its a far larger increase that any intake will give you. Your torqe band will move up and you can feel it until you shift around 5500rpm. Definately worth it.
I doubt you would even see 10RWHP gain... let alone 20!! LOL! Paul's shop did a JBA headers and JBA mufflers and only seen 17RWHP... 10 of that is just probably the muffler!! A GT take muffler is good for 10RWHP... you figure a JBA muffler should be as good as that...
put of course your the guy that gets a big gain out of his TB spacer while everyone else's dyno test show ZERO gains... LOL!
lol ...your killing me John jeje jeje. I just got the jba's as well but i think the gains will be from 0 -5 hp not more than that. Good Luck
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 2:31:29 AM
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Maybe you should get some and have experiance hands on with them before you yap. Try it out. Its definately more hp gain than a intake manifold cover ;) or a painted yellow alternator cover.
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ORIGINAL: ottawapony
I am thinking of installing JBA shorty headers on my 05 V6. Has anyone have these? What are the gains? Are they easy to install (how long). I have a single exhaust magnaflow muffler. What do you all think.
I have these on my car and "INSTALLED THEM MYSELF" There are gains you will see 10-20hp from the shortys. I guess the 3.8L mustangs must have the same exhaust ports because the directions that came with them are for the 3.8L and gaskets were wraped up in the directions. Its no walk in the park to install these to be honest its far more deciveing there are little things you have to deal with all that space to work on it in the engine bay made it look so easy to me. You have to use small brackets "PROVIDED IN THE KIT" to move the coil pack over about an inch on the driver side. On the passanger side you have to loosen up the radiator hose bracketry thats mounted on the side of the engine because both on the driver side and passanger side of the engine the flange of the jba headers is perty thick and these brackets must sit on top of them. Its kinda a pain to get to the bolts on the side of the engine block but the worst part of it is getting under the car to loosen up the ones from the stock exhaust manifold to the collectos/catalytic converters. There are two removeable studs on the stock manifolds, I didnt realize that they were removeable studs till I broke one because I kept torqeing it off with my torque wrench. Make sure you use a socket wrench + an open end wrench when you take these bolts off these studs. Ill either find some pictures or take some of the bitch part. BUT to top it all off I think the hardest part for me was tightening the 25mm egr bolt back on. My 25mm open end is huge! So I couldent fit it in there correctly. But it took me like 10min to thread it on and tighten it.
In the long run its worth putting headers on almost any car. As long as they are desniged correctly they will move air away faster than any cast manifold that is made. However FORD did make these new casts better than they ever made on any previous v6 mustang. On older 3.8 models the cast manifolds would crack because condensation would drip on them from the a/c lines. I do know that Ford made these casts thicker and more duarable, and they hold heat better because of this cast makeing these cars do well in emissions as well. If you want to lower heat in the engine bay get a set of headers, you will see a power increase because the air is move efficently moved out of the engine. Its a far larger increase that any intake will give you. Your torqe band will move up and you can feel it until you shift around 5500rpm. Definately worth it.
I doubt you would even see 10RWHP gain... let alone 20!! LOL! Paul's shop did a JBA headers and JBA mufflers and only seen 17RWHP... 10 of that is just probably the muffler!! A GT take muffler is good for 10RWHP... you figure a JBA muffler should be as good as that...
put of course your the guy that gets a big gain out of his TB spacer while everyone else's dyno test show ZERO gains... LOL!
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 2:37:50 AM
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I doubt you would even see 10RWHP gain... let alone 20!! LOL! Paul's shop did a JBA headers and JBA mufflers and only seen 17RWHP... 10 of that is just probably the muffler!! A GT take muffler is good for 10RWHP... you figure a JBA muffler should be as good as that...
put of course your the guy that gets a big gain out of his TB spacer while everyone else's dyno test show ZERO gains... LOL!
How come everything with you is always second hand? Ive done it I feel an improvement. Eh talking to you is like talking to a wall.
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 3:52:11 AM
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I have these headers ceramic coated and the gains are minimal... I barely noticed a better acceleration, but that's about it. It sounds different though but they might help in the long run if you go F/I
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 7:57:27 AM
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I doubt you would even see 10RWHP gain... let alone 20!! LOL! Paul's shop did a JBA headers and JBA mufflers and only seen 17RWHP... 10 of that is just probably the muffler!! A GT take muffler is good for 10RWHP... you figure a JBA muffler should be as good as that...
put of course your the guy that gets a big gain out of his TB spacer while everyone else's dyno test show ZERO gains... LOL!
How come everything with you is always second hand? Ive done it I feel an improvement. Eh talking to you is like talking to a wall.
Please post your before and after dyno sheets... "feeling" an improvement doesn't count...
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 8:33:31 AM
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Please post your before and after dyno sheets... "feeling" an improvement doesn't count...
John... I think your forgetting the 10 hp from the GT badges 
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 9:41:04 AM
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Screw that! If you get a NOS sticker, you get 15 HP!
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 2:29:55 PM
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Screw GT badges or even NOS stickers.
If you want real power put on neon lights like me! LOL!!!
I got like 650rwhp to the wheels now N/A LOL! j/k
But hey ricklmesa@cox.net where did you find the chrome
headers for 230 shipped?
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 3:15:55 PM
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Stop being so full of yourself you didnt even install anything but the double sided stickey tape mods on your car...and then you didnt even paint them yourself. Oh boy a supercharger. ANYONE can go out and buy a supercharger its not a big deal. Again its always second hand with you. EVERYTHING but a supercharger to you is not even a modification. Its like these aftermarket companys make this stuff to trick everyone into thinking theres an improvement? I think you were the one who argued that tires were not a modification. Man you just so full of yourself. I just gave my opinion. You jump on me like a hawk and your reason/logic is totaly incorrect. BTW why is your car an automatic?
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I doubt you would even see 10RWHP gain... let alone 20!! LOL! Paul's shop did a JBA headers and JBA mufflers and only seen 17RWHP... 10 of that is just probably the muffler!! A GT take muffler is good for 10RWHP... you figure a JBA muffler should be as good as that...
put of course your the guy that gets a big gain out of his TB spacer while everyone else's dyno test show ZERO gains... LOL!
How come everything with you is always second hand? Ive done it I feel an improvement. Eh talking to you is like talking to a wall.
Please post your before and after dyno sheets... "feeling" an improvement doesn't count...
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 3:39:56 PM
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Stop being so full of yourself you didnt even install anything but the double sided stickey tape mods on your car...and then you didnt even paint them yourself. Oh boy a supercharger. ANYONE can go out and buy a supercharger its not a big deal. Again its always second hand with you. EVERYTHING but a supercharger to you is not even a modification. Its like these aftermarket companys make this stuff to trick everyone into thinking theres an improvement? I think you were the one who argued that tires were not a modification. Man you just so full of yourself. I just gave my opinion. You jump on me like a hawk and your reason/logic is totaly incorrect. BTW why is your car an automatic?
So... post your dyno sheets or time slips proving your point.
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 4:19:20 PM
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Stop being so full of yourself you didnt even install anything but the double sided stickey tape mods on your car...and then you didnt even paint them yourself. Oh boy a supercharger. ANYONE can go out and buy a supercharger its not a big deal. Again its always second hand with you. EVERYTHING but a supercharger to you is not even a modification. Its like these aftermarket companys make this stuff to trick everyone into thinking theres an improvement? I think you were the one who argued that tires were not a modification. Man you just so full of yourself. I just gave my opinion. You jump on me like a hawk and your reason/logic is totaly incorrect. BTW why is your car an automatic?
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I doubt you would even see 10RWHP gain... let alone 20!! LOL! Paul's shop did a JBA headers and JBA mufflers and only seen 17RWHP... 10 of that is just probably the muffler!! A GT take muffler is good for 10RWHP... you figure a JBA muffler should be as good as that...
put of course your the guy that gets a big gain out of his TB spacer while everyone else's dyno test show ZERO gains... LOL!
How come everything with you is always second hand? Ive done it I feel an improvement. Eh talking to you is like talking to a wall.
Please post your before and after dyno sheets... "feeling" an improvement doesn't count...
There are two types of dyno....
1. SOTP (Seat of the pants) dyno, AKA butt-dyno. Basically if you feel the difference, than good. You are a happy consumer.
2. Dyno Session: On a mustang dyno, dynojet, etc. Preferrably before and after sheets.
Headers NA don't show much of a gain, however they may affect the power curve and give you some low end grunt EDIT - Correction, I think they will move the power to upper rpms of the power band, but you get my point. A dyno will show the change in the way the car makes power. A power curve change may be what you are feeling along with some 3-5RWHP.
I plan to look into headers and see what they do on my FI setup. I got a good baseline right now. Would be nice to see how it turns out.
Props for installing it yourself. Just a note, John was running his car years ago NA at the track. On a lot of this stuff, he has been there/done that. Also, all the top track runners are running autos or modified autos. And several GT guys that are top track runners are switching out their manuals for autos.....the manual tranny in this car leaves a bit to be desired for the track guys.
Thanks for the detailed write up. The butt dyno does count so some. So kudos again for the self install and noticing a difference.
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 4:52:38 PM
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BTW why is your car an automatic?
What the heck does that have to do with anything? His auto will probably kick your tail!
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RE: JBA Shorty Headers V6 - 12/23/2006 4:59:04 PM
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BTW why is your car an automatic?
What the heck does that have to do with anything? His auto will probably kick your tail!
No probably about it, it would certainly decimate him. It's a 12 second 4.0.
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