An S197 gains about 30-35 RWHP from a 93 octane tune. I am not sure of the tq increase, but off the dealer lot, 20 more lbs. of tq is a decent difference.
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then why did you say a new edge would get 30-40? you made that guy out to seem like a complete moron when he said 8HP is the average. he was correct in saying 8HP is the average for a new edge. unless you MEANT S197. the new edge will NOT see anywhere close to 30HP from just a tune.
then why did you say a new edge would get 30-40? you made that guy out to seem like a complete moron when he said 8HP is the average. he was correct in saying 8HP is the average for a new edge. unless you MEANT S197. the new edge will NOT see anywhere close to 30HP from just a tune.
Just so EVERYONE is on the same page..
New Edge Mustang GT = 99-04 and WILL NOT see a huge 30hp gain on a tune alone NEW Mustang GT = 05+ and is NOT a NEW EDGE mustang....
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I was going off what a friend with a 2003 GT told me. He has a diablo sport tuner, and got roughly 30 Hp from a 93 octane tune. My guess after hearing what you said is he is clearly mistaken. Now I know. So, basically, 2v's barely respond to mods unless FI right?
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05+ is an S197 Pre 05 is a new edge.
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correct.. a 2v won't see anywhere near the same gains as it's 3v or 4v brother. i only got 9RWHP from LTs on MY car for crying out loud. yeah.. you'd be hella lucky to see even 10RWHP out of a tune on a new edge.
I was going off what a friend with a 2003 GT told me. He has a diablo sport tuner, and got roughly 30 Hp from a 93 octane tune. My guess after hearing what you said is he is clearly mistaken. Now I know. So, basically, 2v's barely respond to mods unless FI right?
In response to that
05+ is an S197 Pre 05 is a new edge.
Technically 94-04 are all SN95, just that the 99-04 years specifically are referred to as "New Edge" since they are different in looks and specs than 94-98 Pre 94 is a FoxBody
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wow. Now I know my friend was over exaggerating. I did apologize to shifty because my numbers were off. Basically though, an S197 can get about 30+HP from a tune, depending on a tune, if that is fair to say. That is a nice jump for 500$$$ compared to 1K+ for a BMW. BTW, how are you like your new Bimmer?
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wow. Now I know my friend was over exaggerating. I did apologize to shifty because my numbers were off. Basically though, an S197 can get about 30+HP from a tune, depending on a tune, if that is fair to say. That is a nice jump for 500$$$ compared to 1K+ for a BMW. BTW, how are you like your new Bimmer?
Yeah you guys have two big advantages over New edge...one you have 3 valves for better breathability and two, you guys have electronic throttles.
The thing you have to remember with the Twin turbo bmw's is that they make 100% TQ from about 2000rpm up. So from a roll they will hold their own pretty well against most cars more powerful than they are but don't make peak TQ until higher RPMs (Mustang for one)
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The new 335is seem to be showing a MUCH higher potential for modification than the 'Stangs. The aftermarket for the BMWs is only going to get bigger and better as well... AND, BMW is coming out with its own lines of warranty covered performance parts:
"Beginning with the 3-series and Z4, BMW is offering a host of components, from brake upgrades to engine kits, that will boost performance and not cause owners to fear a trip to the dealer for service. Some of the parts include carbon fiber and aluminum strut braces, 3.07:1 performance diffs, lowering kits, performance exhausts and a engine package for three-liter models that includes new camshafts and a modified ECU that boosts output to 235 HP and 222 lb.-ft. or torque.
All of the wonderful tidbits can be procured after the jump, and we'd suspect good things to come from the Bimmer boys when they release packages designed for the 335i and the upcoming 135i.
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Initially, BMW Performance parts will be offered for the 3 Series Sedans, Coupes, Convertibles and Sport Wagons as well as the Z4 Roadster and Coupe.
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* BMW Performance Engine Kit - This upgrades your 330's engine to a full 235 horsepower and 222 lb-ft of torque, up 10 horsepower and eight lb-ft. Through the use of specifically-tuned camshafts and a modified DME, maximum engine speed is raised from 6,500 rpm to 6,800 rpm. For all 2004 - 2006 330i, 330Ci and 330xi models (previous generation.)
* BMW Performance Shift Kit - Offering a 25% reduction in shift lever travel, more precise shifting can be realized on manual transmission models. With an Alcántara and aluminum shift knob, this shifter assembly provides a more direct feel with increases response. Designed for 2004 - 2006 3 Series models (previous generation.)
* BMW Performance Strut Brace - Increase vehicle stability by tying the two front strut towers together. Constructed of Carbon Fiber and Aluminum, this brace installs easily and looks as fantastic as it works, as it is the perfect underhood accessory for the detail-oriented. Fits 1999-2007 3 Series except 335i models.
* BMW Performance Differential - A 3.07:1 ratio greatly improves acceleration by a half second through a 5% axle ratio increase from 2.93:1. This complete differential can bolt right into any 2002-2006 330i without the Performance Package (previous generation.)
* BMW Performance Suspension - For those who want greater capability in the turns and a reduced ride height this kit is here to serve. With its performance-calibrated struts, shocks and springs, the components in this kit are matched for optimum performance on the track without compromising ride quality on the street. On certain models, a front lower control arm set and stabilizer bars are included as well. A kit is available for the current E90 3 Series Sedan and the previous generation 3 Series variants except models with the factory Sport Package.
* BMW Performance Cross Drilled Rotors - Add M3 stopping power to your 3 Series. Up front, these two-piece composite rotors are a direct replacement and greatly improve braking in wet and performance driving. For the rear, the one-piece cross drilled rotors add competition appearance and balanced braking. Engineered for 2005-2006 330i and 330xi models.
* BMW Performance Air Intake System - Increase the power and underhood appearance on your vehicle. This system adds three horsepower at 6,000 rpm, and replaces the factory airbox and filter assembly for a 24% increase in airflow. No reprogramming of the DME is required and there is no negative influence on emissions output. The injection molded airbox is topped with a carbon fiber insert with "BMW Performance" worded on top. Available for 2004-2006 325i and 330i variants.
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PS~Thanks WRX, I can always count on you my man....
Shifty, did you have another other performance car before your Z? I honestly was going to get one, but, I decided to pass, and then was offered a really good deal through my X-plan company offer. Any pics as well of the Z?
Sorry to be a dick, woke up with a stick up my ass
Anyway, Z is the first "performance car" I guess. I have some pics and videos. My car sounds like a mega fart can. Ill post some videos but i guess it would make this thread really off topic. Where should i post them up.
One of the Senior Mgrs. where I work is a huge BMW track guy. I talked with him about the 335. The turbos in it are so small that you are not going to get much more power out of them without replacing them and supposedly this requires welding. In other words you are looking at 10k dollars to get any real power out of it. I'm sure Dinan will create a few things for it but the E46 came from the factory so well tuned that increases through tuning are minimal, I would expect the same from the new 3 series. On top of all this my other friend has an E46 M3 and I put about 3/4's of a car on him... straight line of course... and it has 333hp. They'll need to get 45 hp out of the 335 to hang with a slightly modded GT.
its interesting you say that because this bmw guy is VERY VERY WRONG.
I dont want to start but the numbers you are claiming are Huuuuuuuuge. That is unheard of to get that type of power out of a NA car.
I know you are going of manufacturer claims but have you actually seen independent dynos, possible from forum members to verify those numbers.
If you have can you share please, I would love to see them. I mean, that would be awesome to get that kind of power but I know the NA game pretty damn well and those increases are amazing.
Fourth Video, half mods at the track, cutting a super impressive 2.17 60ft like a d-bag, I wont even share that time with you guys, quite embarassed for my first track experience. The car sounds nice though, asside from the bog. (Dont mind my drunk cousin recording it)
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