I raced one on the freeway about 2 months ago, I expected it to keep up with me especially because he floored it was beore i did, He was about 2 cars ahead and my friend and I (who i a big BMW fan) heard him floor it so i floored it to, we started at 60-110 i pulled on him by almost 2 cars. His was a hardtop convertible tho, those are a little heavier but I shouldnt pull 4 cars to beat the guy. I pulled really quickly and he had some exaust system. My friend after that started looking for a STANG
Also I talked to some1 with a friend that has one. His 2 friends have a stock Bmw 335 and a Dodge charger r/t. from a dig the 335 won by a car and from a roll the hemi won. So i we get a good launch we got it. There tq kicks in at 1500rpm so that why there good from a dig.
Wow... old thread... and the 335i's you listed running mid 12s did have other mods, they had DRAG RADIALS... I've researched all of this for my dad, he almost got a 335i, but decided to get a 535i with the sport package, same engine just 150-200lbs heavier and 4 doors... It's still pretty quick, but no where near as fast as my stang with CAI and tune...
And you're not gonna put 10+ cars on GT with just 60-80 hp more...
Yes some are on drag radials, but their are 335i's with just PROcede v1.47 in the high 12's on street tires too. I recently tested my car with the Vbox (same unit many car mags like Car and Driver use) and got a 12.9 @ 110.5 with just the PROcede v1.47 on General Exclaim street tires and 19" wheels. And the ET's would have been better had I been able to launch above 1500 rpms without getting wheelspin.
Also I talked to some1 with a friend that has one. His 2 friends have a stock Bmw 335 and a Dodge charger r/t. from a dig the 335 won by a car and from a roll the hemi won. So i we get a good launch we got it. There tq kicks in at 1500rpm so that why there good from a dig.
If the Charger R/T won from a roll, the 335i driver did something wrong. The 335i's trap at 104-106 mph. Charger R/t is like 100-102.
I've only ran a Charger R/T with my PROcede in my 335i from a roll, and I walked away from him easily. I have also ran stock 335i's from a roll and they were a bit closer than the Charger R/T.
From a 30-120 mph roll, I'd say the stock 335i would be 2 CL ahead of a Charger R/T and 2 CL behind a Charger SRT-8
The 335i's are pretty fast cars. I ran one at the track, that was bone stock and the 4 door version at that, but still a manual transmission. The car still had the dealer tag on it, it was so stock. I'll put the slips up, so you can get an idea of what the sedan did, I was impressed.
I won the race by .0423, he was gaining on me fast though. We ran each other the next time around as well, he cut a 13.916 @ 102.82 to my 13.942 @ 99.71. I won that one by .4349 because I beat him off the tree. That should give you an idea of what the sedan can do, the coupe, being lighter, will only be quicker.
You can do alot to BMW's. But the parts cost twice-three times what they cost for our cars. I know because my wife had a bimmer and it was quite expensive to toy with! Needless to say we don't own a bimmer anymore!
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Anyway, 335's are nasty little machines. There are many piggyback ECU's out for them. Twin turbos mean cheap HP.
My cousin has a 335 with Proceed V1.47. It puts down 335whp and 370wtq. He ordered V2 and its supposed to put down 380whp and 410wtq. All this for only $1400. Talk about cheap horsepower.
Also, 335's put down about 270-275whp stock. The only way a GT would have a chance is from a dig. 335's have IRS and no LSD. So there is your advantage if you have a GT. From a roll, stock for stock you have no chance with equal drivers.
Yeah, some beemer's r really fast, but their aftermarket is farely small compared to ours and expensive as hell! Definitly the GT has more capabilities.
I have raced a 335I and beat it by almost a car length. Although they have equal power, GT's have more TQ. It is more or less a drivers race right. I was obviously the better driver, and also had the faster car. Before, when I had all of my mods, I would have wiped the floor with one. At the time I raced one, I only had my Roush Exhaust. With Equal drivers, from a dig, or a gay a** roll race(huge grinch smile) the Stang would win. I have seen what they can do stock. Everyone thinks because of the numbers in magazines say they are equal. On a street, in different conditions, other then a track or a strip, the BMW is overrated.
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I have raced a 335I and beat it by almost a car length. Although they have equal power, GT's have more TQ. It is more or less a drivers race right. I was obviously the better driver, and also had the faster car. Before, when I had all of my mods, I would have wiped the floor with one. At the time I raced one, I only had my Roush Exhaust. With Equal drivers, from a dig, or a gay a** roll race(huge grinch smile) the Stang would win. I have seen what they can do stock. Everyone thinks because of the numbers in magazines say they are equal. On a street, in different conditions, other then a track or a strip, the BMW is overrated.
You should really do some research so you know what the car is capable of. And by research I mean go to www.e90post.com and check out the FI/335 section.
I do my research hands on man. Everyone on that forum has something diffferent to say. I believe the original comment in this thread was stock for stock right? Well, stock for stock, GT> 335I. If a BMW owner decides to get a tune, and a catback, I will get a tune, and a cat-back, and still win. See the point here?
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exactly. Let us not forget though, Mustangs have been around for 40+ years. You are comparing a more techonlogically advanced engine against an engine from the 60's. I think if any car these days, that has that advantage of technology, has a hard time against a 60's engine, that is pretty sad. Why would the mustang win with the same mods, because of the 4.6 L V8. I like the 335I, don't get me wrong, but you don't exactly buy a car that jerks you off and gives you tennis lessons for racing. You buy a charger, mustang, eclipse, ferrari, etc.
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Not to start a flame war but..... Im sensing some fanboy bitterness here.
Also, I was talking stock for stock. The 335 makes peak torque at 1600rpm. Check out a dyno, its pretty wicked.
Also, for your stupid cat-back and tune comment. I really know that you have no idea what your talking about because if you get a cat-back and tune you will make 8whp. If the 335 get a cat back and tune, well............. See for yourself.
This is off of Vishnu Performance's website. Their Stage One kit is only $2665, and they claim performance stats of:
0-60mph in 4.3 seconds (est.) Standing ¼ mile in 12.4 seconds (est.)
And they claim that you can do it in about 1-2 hours if you are a novice. Appears as if everything is pretty much plug and play with the kit (http://www.vishnutuning.com/bmw_1_v380.htm).
To me that's pretty impressive performance for the mod money. I have no idea how reliable any of these stats (or the car will be afterwards) but if its anything like what is being claimed, it's a good chance that BMW enthusiasts are going to go this route and will have a far faster car than most people putting $2600 into a GT will be. I don't know if they'll have hit a wall at this point though without more costly turbo upgrades to get even faster. But suffice to say, that a CAI + tune is not going to make your GT faster than this package.
But come on guys, this car costs a lot more than a GT, and most of us wouldn't be caught dead in a Bimmer anyhow (and I'm quite certain that the opposite is quite true, BMW owners probably wouldn't dare step foot in a Mustang). Most of us prefer a car that lets you know you still have a pulse after all.
That said, I do prefer the previous generation BMWs to the Bungled, uhh I mean Bangled ones by a wide margin. I love the current/previous M3. To me the epitome of a Germanic vehicle -- finely chiseled, and honed to perfection. The Mustang is the epitome of an American vehicle -- very dramatic, full of vigor and spunk. Sort of like the Camry is the epitome of a Japanese vehicle -- you know, one that looks like a melted down version of a real car. I kid, I kid. Sorta.
The base 3 series now looks like its clenching its ass. My soon to be sister in law has one, and it looks and feels like a car Honda would have made 5 years ago. It's pretty terrible. The 330s and the 335s are much nicer, but are still missing a stately presence the old cars had.
I love all sorts of vehicles and all sorts of ways of making power (I had an SRT-4 before the Stang, and a LS1 Vette before that!). I for one will salute any souped up 335i owner who is up for a run. But if they could wait until Friday, umm cause that's when my Saleen 475hp kit will be installed.
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