In my opinion, for being all motor and starting at 300... that isnt something to worry too much about. When the modifications start coming in, then you will definetly be on top. Ive noticed that the mods for a mustang dont add as much hp as mods for (ex) a trans am or camaro do (even a bmw?) but if a trans am has 370 to the wheels and the mustang has 340... it will keep up easily with the car through every gear seems like. The mustant just seems really really fast (instead of fast=stock) when it gets up past 330 to the wheels.
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2006 Black in Black all on Black Automatic GT 12.82 at 107 mph on street tires... -"my CAI is when I roll down my windows on the high way"... http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2646544
The M3 uses a total different engine than the 3-series.(yes both use in-line six's but different versions, most ppl think the M3 just uses a tuned version of the 3-series engine) And it is naturally aspired. Don't know about the M5 but i doubt they needed to turbo the V10 under the hood lol The times posted about the M3 are way too pessimistic. Best time for a STOCK Stang is 13.8-13.9 sec.
The M3: (3.2l-24v I6) - 343 PS (US model = 333 HP / 252 kW) 0-60 MPH - 4.8 seconds, 1/4 Mile - 13.1@105 MPH (U.S. model Car and Driver, March 2003) Top Speed: 155 MPH (249 km/h, electronically limited) 189 MPH(304 km/h, delimited)
German engineers have always known to get the most out of their engine's. However the ceiling for how much HP u can get in under an M3's hood yourself is lower than muscle cars most of the time.
So don't be in too much of a hurry to race against an M3 if you're stock. Though some say it might be a drivers race, most M3's still have their smooth sequential manual gearbox.
Here's a nice article about 335, I like the Beemers, but for what they cost you could have one mean ass mustang. The 335i comes in just under $50K. 4.8 from 0 -60, 13.3 throught the 1/4. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=117669. Any perfomance mods to this car will cost you, for example, a tuner cost $1,600, brings the HP up to 367, and aftermarket exhaust cost over $1,000. I'll keep the stang, thanks.
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Here's a nice article about 335, I like the Beemers, but for what they cost you could have one mean ass mustang. The 335i comes in just under $50K. 4.8 from 0 -60, 13.3 throught the 1/4. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=117669. Any perfomance mods to this car will cost you, for example, a tuner cost $1,600, brings the HP up to 367, and aftermarket exhaust cost over $1,000. I'll keep the stang, thanks.
I had a 2002 Audi S6, it's 4.2L V8 puts out 340hp at 7000rpms! and -believe it or not- 310lb torque at 3500rpm... German engineering... the mods I had on that car (cat-back/K&N filter/Tuning) cost about 3 grands!! although it was in no way even close in acceleration to our Stangs, I twice was able to clock 170m/h it was stable and solid like a rock though. I had to sell it for it's high running cost.
There is a lot of bad info in this thread peppered with some truth. The cars were never intened to compete with each other, they just happen to have similar power and 1/4 times. Bringing up things like what it costs to mod is dumb, it costs more to mod a vette so why aren't we baggin on them too??? Stop thinking just because it ain't american it has to suck.
To the guy who is thinking about a shelby GT vs the 335i. You can turn a stock GT into a shelby GT for way less than the mark up. You should first figure out if you want loud and crude or sophisticated and controlled and not just focus on the power numbers.
what the difference between the mustang gt and shelby what gives it 25 more hp?
It's some basic bolts on from the power pak by ford racing which includes a intake, tune, xpipe, exhuast. it has frpp handling pack, and shelby slaps on some stripes, hood scope, rear bumber lip thing, hood pins, h shifter, and some small other things for about 38g plus 5-15g "market adj" price. so its any where from 43g-i think i saw one for over 55g.
Its a nice looking car however i think it should have a little bit more. I would add the frpp whipple supercharger and gt500 brakdes, jump the msrp to 43ish(plus mark up :) and call it a day.
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Not if the 335i has a PROcede piggyback computer on it. (in reply to the video of the 335i pulling numerous car lengths on a Mustang GT as being impossible)!
I have a 335i.
First let me say this to you guys. The 300 hp and 300 tq rating of the 335i is underrated. On basically every dynojet they are getting about 275 rwhp and 280+ tq. I have the steptronic auto and even they are getting 265+ rwhp and 275+ rwtq.
They are not as heavy as people think or see the listed weights as. The 335i Coupe with steptronic is listed at 3585 lbs. But BMW lists it as "unladen" weight which to them is with an average weight driver of 150 lbs, 33 lbs in cargo, and 90% full fuel tank. C & D recently weighed a 335i Coupe and got a weight of 3366 lbs. I also weighed my 335i Coupe (with full tank of gas) and it weighed 3360 lbs on a California certified public scale.
So the car really has a "curb" weight of around 3340-3400 pounds depending on options.
Next, the car is absolutely simple to mod and make big power. The PROcede from Vishnu Tuning costs $1300 and currently brings dyno tested rwhp and torque up to: 330-340 rwhp +55-60 rwhp over stock 370-380 rwtq +90-95 rwtq over stock
And that's on PROcede v1.4 cars.
He is currently in his beta testing mode of v2.0 (which will be out soon) that is producing 40 more hp to the wheels and 5-10 lbs ft of torque. It actually produces more torque too, but he backed off the torque amount simply in the name of drivetrain reliability, since the drivetrain strength is untested he wants to play it safe with torque levels.
So with the v2.0 which will be released in about a month you can expect 335i's to be pushing 370-380 rwhp 375-385 rwtq
Currently with v1.45 or v1.47 the cars are running mid to high 12's @ 110-111 mph trap speeds on the best of tracks. Again, that's with NO OTHER mods to the car.
I myself raced a new Mustang GT with my PROceded 335i and walked right around him. He came up on my arse hard and then went around me, I gave chase and came up on his arse. When traffic cleared up, he nailed it (we started about 60 mph) and so did I. I passed him by 100 mph and by 130 when I backed off, I was several car lengths in front of him.
They have no just released DownPipes for the car which have dyno tested as increasing power by 26 rwhp and 49 rwtq. There's also in intake system in development.
The 335i are fast. Even the new M3 won't run with a lightly modded 335i in a straight line. Throw in suspension on the 335i and the new M3 will have it's hands full on a track too.
Take care guys.
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Wow... old thread... and the 335i's you listed running mid 12s did have other mods, they had DRAG RADIALS... I've researched all of this for my dad, he almost got a 335i, but decided to get a 535i with the sport package, same engine just 150-200lbs heavier and 4 doors... It's still pretty quick, but no where near as fast as my stang with CAI and tune...
And you're not gonna put 10+ cars on GT with just 60-80 hp more...
i currently have a 00 gt but i got to admit. bimmer are made to race. street race. they have better handling than gt and most cars. if you have the money you can mod them just like a stang. lets be real. people who buy bimmer don't mod because there is no need to. they are right the way they are. plus too much $$$ to mod. The car alone is expensive. after spending all that money on the down payment there isn't any left to mod. lol.
There is a lot of bad info in this thread peppered with some truth. The cars were never intened to compete with each other, they just happen to have similar power and 1/4 times. Bringing up things like what it costs to mod is dumb, it costs more to mod a vette so why aren't we baggin on them too??? Stop thinking just because it ain't american it has to suck.
To the guy who is thinking about a shelby GT vs the 335i. You can turn a stock GT into a shelby GT for way less than the mark up. You should first figure out if you want loud and crude or sophisticated and controlled and not just focus on the power numbers.
+1. 2 cars are made for 2 different group of people. GTs are for the people like us. we all like that muscle sound and fix them in our gargages. while the 335s owners are more sophisticated and don't want to get their hands dirty. if anyone in here have own or driven a bimmer would know what i'm talking about.
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The question still is the following:
Would you want to own one?????
If something that looked like a camery was 500hp, ran to 60 in 4 flat, quarter in 12.5, etc, etc. I still would not want it.
I looked at the 335i, they are nice, but just wierdly executed or something. Shaped wrong, de-germanized almost. Like BMW has gone the way of lexus and infinity. They are trying to make the car appeal to everyone it seems.
Like alot of you I am sure, trading the mustang for one would not be a horribly difficult task. It just doesent do much for me and I wonder if I am going to love the new M3 as I did the E46 when I first saw it. Chris Bangle really doesent thrill me with the styling he has going on at BMW.
I feel the same as you do, thats why I will choose to keep my E46 and modify it instead of a E92 M3.
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Not if the 335i has a PROcede piggyback computer on it. (in reply to the video of the 335i pulling numerous car lengths on a Mustang GT as being impossible)!
I have a 335i.
First let me say this to you guys. The 300 hp and 300 tq rating of the 335i is underrated. On basically every dynojet they are getting about 275 rwhp and 280+ tq. I have the steptronic auto and even they are getting 265+ rwhp and 275+ rwtq.
They are not as heavy as people think or see the listed weights as. The 335i Coupe with steptronic is listed at 3585 lbs. But BMW lists it as "unladen" weight which to them is with an average weight driver of 150 lbs, 33 lbs in cargo, and 90% full fuel tank. C & D recently weighed a 335i Coupe and got a weight of 3366 lbs. I also weighed my 335i Coupe (with full tank of gas) and it weighed 3360 lbs on a California certified public scale.
So the car really has a "curb" weight of around 3340-3400 pounds depending on options.
Next, the car is absolutely simple to mod and make big power. The PROcede from Vishnu Tuning costs $1300 and currently brings dyno tested rwhp and torque up to: 330-340 rwhp +55-60 rwhp over stock 370-380 rwtq +90-95 rwtq over stock
And that's on PROcede v1.4 cars.
He is currently in his beta testing mode of v2.0 (which will be out soon) that is producing 40 more hp to the wheels and 5-10 lbs ft of torque. It actually produces more torque too, but he backed off the torque amount simply in the name of drivetrain reliability, since the drivetrain strength is untested he wants to play it safe with torque levels.
So with the v2.0 which will be released in about a month you can expect 335i's to be pushing 370-380 rwhp 375-385 rwtq
Currently with v1.45 or v1.47 the cars are running mid to high 12's @ 110-111 mph trap speeds on the best of tracks. Again, that's with NO OTHER mods to the car.
I myself raced a new Mustang GT with my PROceded 335i and walked right around him. He came up on my arse hard and then went around me, I gave chase and came up on his arse. When traffic cleared up, he nailed it (we started about 60 mph) and so did I. I passed him by 100 mph and by 130 when I backed off, I was several car lengths in front of him.
They have no just released DownPipes for the car which have dyno tested as increasing power by 26 rwhp and 49 rwtq. There's also in intake system in development.
Th Take care gue 335i are fast. Even the new M3 won't run with a lightly modded 335i in a straight line. Throw in suspension on the 335i and the new M3 will have it's hands full on a track too. ys.
I have heard that there could be a special model (possibly CSL) in 2009 that the M3 will have 4.0 V-8 Twin Turbo. The curb weight will be reduced by almost 300 lbs with mostly carbon fiber parts. The bad part is that if it's like the CSL, it will only be available in Europe.
My brother has the 335 with the sport package. We put our cars on a dynojet, completely stock he put down 286 rwhp. I was pretty happy when I put my mustang on next and put down 287 rwhp, since we had dinner riding on who had more rwhp. My numbers were with my intake and tune. Our cars have been pretty much even when we have gotten on it on the expressways. We haven't been able to get to a track yet, but it will happen soon. I know he wants the vishnu tune, so I guess I'm going to have to save up for an S/C!
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My brother has the 335 with the sport package. We put our cars on a dynojet, completely stock he put down 286 rwhp. I was pretty happy when I put my mustang on next and put down 287 rwhp, since we had dinner riding on who had more rwhp. My numbers were with my intake and tune. Our cars have been pretty much even when we have gotten on it on the expressways. We haven't been able to get to a track yet, but it will happen soon. I know he wants the vishnu tune, so I guess I'm going to have to save up for an S/C!
Sounds about right that a new MGT with intake and tune puts out the same power as a stock 335i That's why we tell everyone the 335i is underrated by BMW by about 20 hp. It's really putting out about 320 hp and 325+ torque.
$3-4k in mods (PROcede computer, exhaust, downpipes) and the 335i will put down 400+ rwhp and 450+ rwtq,
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it was stable and solid like a rock though. I had to sell it for it's high running cost.
