ok guys, here is a quick race of me and my buddy, i have heard a lot of discussion comparing f-bodies to mustangs lately and which car you get the most out of for the money.
here is the info about the 2 cars
02 stang gt 5 speed offroad h pipe, mac cat back. leather interior, fully loaded stang, with 70k something miles purchase price, 10,900 i think
99 Firebird formula 6 speed full exhaust, lid leather, fully loaded (other than ws6 option) bought with 24k miles purchase price of 12k
i just want to see your guys opinions on this debate
by the way, im not anti mustang in anyway, ive owned an 86 gt, and love mustangs. so dont think im flaming them in anyway. i just wanted to see how mustang guys look at this, because some ls1 guys get there panties in a bunch when somebody says something about a mustang being better than an f-body, nd i know there are the anti gm guys here too.
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I think I heard a little too much exhaust note through second and then it quieted down half through third. He was running at least 100 shot. And yes it pulled a little too hard for an exhaust and holes cut in the lid.
they are fast not that fast he was on the spray we need to start racing LS1 cars spray the piss out of are cars and say we had some bolt ons and make the f body cars look slow as **** camaro/trans am/ vett guys are for the most part liein dicks
Thats bs that formula was sprayn b/c I raced a bolton ls1 camaro 6spd when I had my bolt on 00 gt, nwe went from a 20 and it took him through the mid of 3rd to get a .5 car on me
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6spd LS1 stock is capable of a 12.9. A 5 spd 4.6 gt is capable of a 14.0. So the modded gt is capable of a 13.8ish, and the modded LS1 is capable of 12.6 ish. Am i missing something why u guys dont think this is possible? Remember all the gt has is an O/R H and a catback. This is very possible as when I race 6spd LS1s i usually see similar results.
so you beat something with 1.1L less than you? most sane mustang drivers will tell you that you SHOULD win...but theres one thing you forgot...
The mustang looked so much better during the race
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so you beat something with 1.1L less than you? most sane mustang drivers will tell you that you SHOULD win...but theres one thing you forgot...
The mustang looked so much better during the race
thats why everyone and there mom has a mustang, right?
no, i wasnt spraying, my buddy posts on here that i raced, maybe he will chime in, i did put a 150shot on it after that but that would be even more brutal.
i just have been hearing a lot of talk about comparing the ls1 vs the modular mustang, sorry if i pissed a coule of you guys off
I think I heard a little too much exhaust note through second and then it quieted down half through third. He was running at least 100 shot. And yes it pulled a little too hard for an exhaust and holes cut in the lid.
there arent "holes" in the lid, llol. i dont know where you got that from. its an slp lid.
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this is 350hp vs 260hp with some bolt ons. im sure the Formula weighs more than the stang. but stock for stock the Formula is gonna win who cares? the LS1 is a great engine we know this but the thing its lacking is OHC's im damn sure the Modular engines are more efficient than LS1's snatch a Mach engine boost it vs an LS1 and you'll see better numbers. more flow = more power.
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I think I heard a little too much exhaust note through second and then it quieted down half through third. He was running at least 100 shot. And yes it pulled a little too hard for an exhaust and holes cut in the lid.
there arent "holes" in the lid, llol. i dont know where you got that from. its an slp lid.
LOL didnt know if you getto rigged ram air (hole in the bottom with 4'' dryer hose). You walked that guy severely. LS1s are very fast but without h/c/i, I can see it pull that hard N/A. Besides I watched your other vid and exhaust sounded a lot meaner and you went through the gears twice as fast when you ran him. I'm not calling you out, if you say you didn't spray, then I believe you and you have a d@mn fast ride.
you must be talking about the free ram air, where you cut a rectangle out of the air deflector to let air up under the lid, i never heard of people using hoses to guide the air into the lid.
which video did you see?
i didnt spray him, i had a dry kit on for about a week that i pieced together and i put a 150 shot on a little bit after that, this race was pre-nitrous.
and I G Joe, if pushrod motors suck, why is the ls7 a pushrod motor, makes the same amount of power as the new gt500 but gm didnt use a blower.
ORIGINAL: JDP thats why everyone and there mom has a mustang, right? no, i wasnt spraying, my buddy posts on here that i raced, maybe he will chime in, i did put a 150shot on it after that but that would be even more brutal. i just have been hearing a lot of talk about comparing the ls1 vs the modular mustang, sorry if i pissed a coule of you guys off
No need to apologize, mang. We get jackasses from other sites on here all the time trashing Mustangs, pissing people off. You just happen to be one of the latest. Thing is, we have enough jackhole homers on this site already who don't have the technical acuity to understand that an ls1 is a beast of an engine stock and bolt-on for bolt-on just smokes a 4.6. Bow-tie boys got that one right. Problems occur when said jackasses come on and post up and then can't understand why they get the homefield pushback. Here's the answer:
I don't know if you're a jackass or not, Justin, since the only thing you've done on this site since February of 2005 is sell your Mustang stuff and post a VERY nice kill video (good kill, BTW ) and nothing in your last 50 post suggests you are a heavy tech guy. I reckon everybody here will give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove otherwise...
I don't have an ls1 or a civic or a vette, so I don't go around those boards and post up kill videos, talk about how great the Mustang really is or trash other people's rides. In your case, since you are a former Mustang guy, I somewhat understand the crossover. Some chevy or import guys who never have and never will own a Mustang rack up thousands of posts. Never understood that one.
But I know one thing: ls1's are bucknasty!
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and he didn't need it. Why can't guys understand that? Those suckers are RANK
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well there was a thread on ls1tech with people comparing mustangs to the 4th gen f-body. then there were the mustang guys that dropped in to talk how pushrod motors suck, and f-bodies are crap blah blah blah and mustangs are this and that.
i really wanted to just see how you guys would take to this because there are a lot of mustang guys that cant accept defeat and they make every excuse possible and stand by there car because no matter who or what they race they think they are the greatest. there are people like that with every car, yes there are people like that with f-bodies/y-bodies, imports, mopars, and mustangs, and there seems to be more with mustangs to me probably becauase there is a bigger mustang crowd and they are cheaper to buy.
if i offended anybody by coming over here to post my little kill, im sorry, if i seem like a jackass for doing so, i apologize for that too. im not bashing anyone because i still mess my pants to the sight of a sonic blue cobra.
i just wanted to get the mustang guys point of view
Not saying push rod motors suck,but they have been used for what 50 plus years..OHC is much newer and when a blower is slapped on it,it will out flow a push rod.The LS1 is a nasty beast GM did a hell of a great job with it...
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well there was a thread on ls1tech with people comparing mustangs to the 4th gen f-body. then there were the mustang guys that dropped in to talk how pushrod motors suck, and f-bodies are crap blah blah blah and mustangs are this and that.
By all means feel free to come over here and stir it up then. That's what these forums mostly are all about - e-arguing. I have a heavily modded pushrod motor (306) in my mustang and I love it. Throaty, torquey, and also very beatable. You should see my death thread when I got reamed by a T/A. not pretty. Pushrod, OHC, 4V, 2V, N/A, F/I - doesn't matter to me.
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i really wanted to just see how you guys would take to this because there are a lot of mustang guys that cant accept defeat and they make every excuse possible and stand by there car because no matter who or what they race they think they are the greatest.
this is called stirring up trouble, for those who didn't get that on the uptake.
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there are people like that with every car, yes there are people like that with f-bodies/y-bodies, imports, mopars, and mustangs, and there seems to be more with mustangs to me probably becauase there is a bigger mustang crowd and they are cheaper to buy.
The Mustang has more than it's fair share of hell-or-high-water fans. And I can't believe poeple are shocked to find them here. Count me as one of them. I think it's the greatest pony/musclecar ever made. It stared the craze in 1964, has never been out of production like the others, sold millions and millions of models, has an unbroken lineage to some of the greatest, most iconic vehicles ever made. There wouldn't be a camaro, challenger, firebird, cuda without the Mustang. Either time around, since the 2005 model spawned the new camaro and challenger.
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if i offended anybody by coming over here to post my little kill, im sorry, if i seem like a jackass for doing so, i apologize for that too. im not bashing anyone because i still mess my pants to the sight of a sonic blue cobra.
again, no need to apologize especially if you don't mean it. Just the latest in the series of many. Everybody does it. Eventually, they just go away because they're outnumbered here by blind faith and a lack of mullets.
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i just wanted to get the mustang guys point of view
I bet you knew before you posted, given the quote up above...
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) and nothing in your last 50 post suggests you are a heavy tech guy. I reckon everybody here will give you the benefit of the doubt until you prove otherwise... 
