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you must be talking about the free ram air, where you cut a rectangle out of the air deflector to let air up under the lid, i never heard of people using hoses to guide the air into the lid.
which video did you see?
i didnt spray him, i had a dry kit on for about a week that i pieced together and i put a 150 shot on a little bit after that, this race was pre-nitrous.
and I G Joe, if pushrod motors suck, why is the ls7 a pushrod motor, makes the same amount of power as the new gt500 but gm didnt use a blower.
pushrod motors dont suck, they are just dated tech. aslo.. isnt the ls7 motor a 427 and not a 5.7 anymore? also the gt-500 is a 5.4(331) so it's giving up almost 100 cubes so it needs the blowerto be compatible. not trying to fight, just trying to understand the logic behind your thinking.
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pushrod motors dont suck, they are just dated tech. aslo.. isnt the ls7 motor a 427 and not a 5.7 anymore? also the gt-500 is a 5.4(331) so it's giving up almost 100 cubes so it needs the blowerto be compatible. not trying to fight, just trying to understand the logic behind your thinking.
ya, but the ls7 is still a small block, the block is the same size as an ls1 block, just a 4 inch stroke and a 4.125 inch bore (i think). makes 500hp out of the factory, thats impressive to make an all motor car, driveable, smooth running and make 500hp. even if it is a 427 (smallblock)
vengance racing just put together a head cam stock bottom end LS1 ran on pump gas that made 500 WHEEL horsepower. sure thats slightly larger than your motor ford could have put a bigger stroke and bore into the ponies.
ill be impressed if you show me a 4.6 or 5.4 motor doing that o pump gas, stock bottom end. all motor.
sure pushrod technology is old, but why change something that woks. heads for our cars are cheap as hell, cams are cheap and we only need one. its a simple motor, easy to work on, all aluminum. and takes well to mods. from stock exhaust to full exhaust i went from trapping 106-107 to 110 all the time. pretty good gain if you ask me for an easy bolt-on and its not a pain to put headers on an ls1 like i hear it is to do a modular mustang.
like i said, i love mustangs, especially cobras, but when i was looking for a car, i wanted something nice and newer, and comparing the 2, the ls1 just seemed like the better of the 2 for the price you pay, plus the interior on a bird is tits, and its a 6 speed.
if i really wanted bang for the buck, and just wanted to go fast, i would have bought an 87-93 stang, and turbo it. (my buddy has a bone stock 93 notch, just an explorer intake, and made his own junkyard turbo kit, makes 450 at the wheel and almost 500ft/lbs of torque, it flies for being that light with that kind of power)
WOW!!! I Have A 90 5.0 And I Did Not Lose By That Much But I Race A 2001 Z28....Is There Any Difference Between Them? ...All I Have Is A E Cam And Intake...
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WOW!!! I Have A 90 5.0 And I Did Not Lose By That Much But I Race A 2001 Z28....Is There Any Difference Between Them? ...All I Have Is A E Cam And Intake...
Driver error maybe.
Anyway, Ford could go back to push rod and make an engine perform on par with GM's LSx motors. But they are saving money by using their modular motors, much less development is done, spend a ton less on castings and the interchangeability of the parts saves a ton. Ford simply doesn't build cars with TRUE bang for your buck in mind since 1993.
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Anyway, Ford could go back to push rod and make an engine perform on par with GM's LSx motors. But they are saving money by using their modular motors, much less development is done, spend a ton less on castings and the interchangeability of the parts saves a ton. Ford simply doesn't build cars with TRUE bang for your buck in mind since 1993.
ya, the ls1 f-body is kind of the poor mans vette, vettes arent really much faster stright line than an f-body, but cost a hell of a lot more.
the ls7 vette isnt to much bang for the buck when you look at the zo6s price tag, lol
you must be talking about the free ram air, where you cut a rectangle out of the air deflector to let air up under the lid, i never heard of people using hoses to guide the air into the lid.
which video did you see?
i didnt spray him, i had a dry kit on for about a week that i pieced together and i put a 150 shot on a little bit after that, this race was pre-nitrous.
and I G Joe, if pushrod motors suck, why is the ls7 a pushrod motor, makes the same amount of power as the new gt500 but gm didnt use a blower.
mostly because its a damn 427 vs a damn 331 there is only about a 100 cubic inch diff. if ford built a dohc 460 it would haul balls and then they wouldnt need a blower but with 100 less cubes it kinda helps
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ORIGINAL: JDP
you must be talking about the free ram air, where you cut a rectangle out of the air deflector to let air up under the lid, i never heard of people using hoses to guide the air into the lid.
which video did you see?
i didnt spray him, i had a dry kit on for about a week that i pieced together and i put a 150 shot on a little bit after that, this race was pre-nitrous.
and I G Joe, if pushrod motors suck, why is the ls7 a pushrod motor, makes the same amount of power as the new gt500 but gm didnt use a blower.
because that pushrod motor is running higher compression and well is a 427 7.0L compared to the 5.4 of the GT 5.4 comes out to what.. 331 or so maybe you get the idea. compared as a smaller motor making as much as the bigger one. the 5.4 is pushing more HP/L than the LS7 is.
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also there is more of a tuning capability with fords modular engines than the pushrods. pushrod is an old technology, its cheap and it works.
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because that pushrod motor is running higher compression and well is a 427 7.0L compared to the 5.4 of the GT 5.4 comes out to what.. 331 or so maybe you get the idea. compared as a smaller motor making as much as the bigger one. the 5.4 is pushing more HP/L than the LS7 is.
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also there is more of a tuning capability with fords modular engines than the pushrods. pushrod is an old technology, its cheap and it works.
thats why there are 7 liters, the motor is not bigger, it just has a bigger displacement, still a small block, so its still same ballgame if you ask me.
your right, pushrod motors you cant tune, i mean w2w only built a 352 LS1 (thats right, little bit bigger than you 5.4) to run 686 at 205mph.
mostly because its a damn 427 vs a damn 331 there is only about a 100 cubic inch diff. if ford built a dohc 460 it would haul balls and then they wouldnt need a blower but with 100 less cubes it kinda helps
to bad your 460 is a big block, have fun stuffing that bitch in, ill take my ls based motors that are capable of 500+ cubic inches in our small block form
man i can't wait till when the supposed new camaro comes out...will be the same sh!t over and over....like i have said every year...just be freak'n glad we are still able to buy some form of muscle car....with some history to boot....in all honesty your car would destroy any 99-04gt<with all the fixings>maybe not so with cams<debatable i guess?>
i sold my 95 z28 in 99 almost traded for a last chance 02 t/a sunset orange...but i didn't i went to a 74 firebird and built that thing up...
then i went mustang,and for what i have experience the old saying still holds true.."there is no replacement for displacement"...although my petty little 302 can hold it's own
oh 460's fit pretty good there buddy...even our v-10's
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mostly because its a damn 427 vs a damn 331 there is only about a 100 cubic inch diff. if ford built a dohc 460 it would haul balls and then they wouldnt need a blower but with 100 less cubes it kinda helps
to bad your 460 is a big block, have fun stuffing that bitch in, ill take my ls based motors that are capable of 500+ cubic inches in our small block form
oh 460's fit pretty good there buddy...even our v-10's
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mostly because its a damn 427 vs a damn 331 there is only about a 100 cubic inch diff. if ford built a dohc 460 it would haul balls and then they wouldnt need a blower but with 100 less cubes it kinda helps
to bad your 460 is a big block, have fun stuffing that bitch in, ill take my ls based motors that are capable of 500+ cubic inches in our small block form
ya, but its nice being able to keep everything in stock location, throw my oil pan on, not need a cowl hood or different intake.
why modify any car then?....i'm a gear head...i like challenges...more fun that way
you went the easy route....save up buy a car that has everything<from the factory>.....if choices had to be remade...i'd still go the ol fox body route...
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oh 460's fit pretty good there buddy...even our v-10's
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mostly because its a damn 427 vs a damn 331 there is only about a 100 cubic inch diff. if ford built a dohc 460 it would haul balls and then they wouldnt need a blower but with 100 less cubes it kinda helps
to bad your 460 is a big block, have fun stuffing that bitch in, ill take my ls based motors that are capable of 500+ cubic inches in our small block form
ya, but its nice being able to keep everything in stock location, throw my oil pan on, not need a cowl hood or different intake.
How they hell is that even a fair comparison? 350+ hp from the ls1 and maybe 270whp on the stang. both cars weighing in close to the same. to me it's night and day why the ls1 pulled that hard.
whats with you guys thinking all ls1 cars are spraying, remember, we dont have OHC motors, we dont rev them to the moon, and his cam is probably set up for more low down power, no need to spray.
cam only bolt on ls1s are good for strong 11s, so i dont see why you guys think everybody needs spray to beat one.
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not trying to fight, just trying to understand the logic behind your thinking.
