ocd03gro I guess you are right, weight has barely any effect at all
I am not saying that I agree weight makes a difference everyone knows that I am saying (main point of our debate) yes the 5.4 is heavier but makes more rwhp/ torque and is supercharged the higher power 5.4 along with being supercharged (S/C better power down low & shelf/band) more than makes up for the weight when comparing it to the lower power lighter Crammer. You see the weight is a non issue when choosing which motor to go with in this swap as the more powerfull SC 5.4 compensates for that over the lower powered lighter Crammer. The GT 500 S/C 5.4 ( per mods on the 10 sec ET) Mustang will run a faster ET than a lower powered lighter Crammer with CAI, tune, headers, or/x, exhaust, 4.10s DR's..
This is my argument and main point with you on this debate.
This is my last post with you on this debate :)
< Message edited by Krazer -- 12/13/2006 11:00:36 AM >
dude... it's not cost effective. the days of carbs are over and there's no such thing as a cheap/easy swap you have to do all the wiring, which i assure you is a bitch you have to swap the engine in, get the trans, driveshaft, 8.8 rear, k-member, a-arms, springs, possibly a new steering assembly, re-arrange the whole engine bay, etc
you can dream all day, but good luck affording all that stuff.. i just don't see the point when you could just take that 4.0 and turbocharge it. EVO is only in the 9's with their gt500, and they have plenty of money for R&D... it's just not feasible.
and besides... imagine if your car got wrecked... your insurance definitely wouldn't cover aftermarket parts, and they might not cover you at all.. i've heard of guys losing their insurance for modding and getting into a wreck
I say 12 Second V6 with 330 to 360hp is fine for anyone with a need for speed, i know it is fine for me. and besides whats the use of having all tht power when ur stuck in traffic eating up all ur gas?? come on really ya know. my car is quick and fast and looks good too, and will shut up many a ricer out there ya know. but yea u can never have too much horsepower... but it sucks when u cant use it either.
Just a update still waiting on the parts list and cost on what this swap would run but did recieve an e-mail update from him (Ford tech friend) to bad I love the S197 body style to much because this Mach 1 for sale sounds decent below. I am just not into the older body style and is the reason I switch over to Ford and bought a S197.
When I get the the info on what parts are needed and cost of this swap I will post it.
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Hey - I'm sorry I haven' tgotten back to you yet, I've been incredibly busy lately.
I'll get into the whole 5.4 swap with you shortly, but Just a real quickie you might be interested in..
My buddy is selling his '04 Mach1. It's fast. And it's got TONS of room to grow too. It's already got the aluminum "Teskid" block (6-bolt mains, virtually indestructible) with .020 over (283cid) Forged Pistons (8.5:1) and Forged H-beam rods too, stock cams & heads. Also has a P1SC Procharger on it at around 12-13psi, kind of a small blower for the setup but it still makes great power. Put down almost 500rwhp on pump gas and has run low 11's in the 1/4 in street-trim. Traps around 125mph.
Also has a built solid 8.8 with 31-spline hardened axles, a 4.30 gear, T-45 trans, it's in picture-perfect shape. It's color is "Azure Blue" but either way I'm sure if you offered him $22,000 for it, he'd take it in a heartbeat. It's a GREAT car with 100% perfect street manners. It was tuned by Bob Kurgan and all the engine work was done by Rich Groh. This whole setup can handle 800-900hp all day long with a bigger blower on it, but as it sits right now it's a mid-11 second ride.
Been doing some research on the 03 Cobra motor that he mentioned using in a swap, man there is room to grow with these motors like he said.
Check this out 03 Cobra 4.6 motor w/ Kennie Bell 600 rwhp 590 ft lbs and on nitrous 750 rwhp and 880 ft lb might have to take a closer look at this motor for a swap and shop price. I mean even if you don’t want to go nitrous 600rwhp/590 ft lbs pretty decent, this motor can put out some serious power on stock internals. http://www.stangbangers.com/03_DannysCobra.htm
I have read posts in V6 forums of guys asking about swapping a GT 4.6 motor in there V6 and even in the GT forums of going of guys asking about swapping a 5.4 (not even the GT 500 S/C 5.4) in thier Mustang GT, I think this Cobra motor is the way to go esp bang for the buck wise if the GT 500 5.4 S/C is out of range money wise.
I think imo some of you guys down the road ever decide to do a swap man you have some nice choices in motors (03-04 4.6 Cobra & 5.4 S/C) to build a very decent street car and or track car.
Just throwing this info out for you guys who have thought about a swap.
< Message edited by Krazer -- 12/30/2006 8:06:55 PM >
the 4.6 modular 4v (which they have in the cobra/mach1 ['03,'04] responds amazingly well to simple bolt-ons. i was reading a build book that said with LT's, an intake, and cams, they were taking the hp up to 390-95 from the stock 305 rating. i've been working on an '03 AT mach1, and with a tune and an intake, we've dropped the 0-60 to low 5's. i'd definitely go with a 4.6 dohc setup if you absolutely insist on swapping.
the 4.6 modular 4v (which they have in the cobra/mach1 ['03,'04] responds amazingly well to simple bolt-ons. i was reading a build book that said with LT's, an intake, and cams, they were taking the hp up to 390-95 from the stock 305 rating. i've been working on an '03 AT mach1, and with a tune and an intake, we've dropped the 0-60 to low 5's. i'd definitely go with a 4.6 dohc setup if you absolutely insist on swapping.
I always knew the 03-04 Cobra motor was one of Fords top motors imo very nice motor but never really looked close at it till lately all I can say is I am very impressed with the motor power this thing can produce on only 281 ci's and stock internals will serious take another look at this option and discuss it with him.
< Message edited by Krazer -- 12/30/2006 11:04:35 PM >
dont mean to nitpick but its ci, not cc. but yea the terminator motor responds extremely well to mods and is very powerful stock. there is a huge aftermarket for that motor too which is another plus.
dont mean to nitpick but its ci, not cc. but yea the terminator motor responds extremely well to mods and is very powerful stock. there is a huge aftermarket for that motor too which is another plus.
Thanks :) (typo fixed it )
I'll be watching your post :)
I am liking this motor no doubt but still like the 5.4 S/C better imo (new, & more power w/KB down the road etc more future proof down the road vs the competition)) but dam after researching this Cobra motor it does have my attention and depending on cost vs the 5.4 S/C if it is a decent enough savings $$$ going with a Cobra motor swap could be the ticket!
< Message edited by Krazer -- 12/30/2006 11:21:47 PM >
go with the TERMINATOR... cheaper...lots of parts... great if ur looking for power... lots of ways to modd it... and it will fit in the engine bay... wont be as tight at will the 5.4. and did i mention cheaper too
By the way, I recently saw a brand spankin new Shelby GT500 out here in Tysons Corner Virginia for a mere $54K. I could probably drive it off the show room floor for around 49 to 52K.
Wolfey
"Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt it can be had for 52k. That particular car in Tysons was offered to me for 67K. No thanks."
Yeah? Well to each his own. But someone drove that car off the showroom floor for 62K recently. Just so ya know! I was wrong about the total sticker price. I didn't see any dealer markup sticker when I looked at it. Expensive ride for sure! Interestingly I don't like the shelby GT's look as much as I do my pony. I might consider upgrading my pony to a BOSS 302 though. ;-)
< Message edited by wolfey2k -- 1/8/2007 11:05:13 AM >
By the way, I recently saw a brand spankin new Shelby GT500 out here in Tysons Corner Virginia for a mere $54K. I could probably drive it off the show room floor for around 49 to 52K.
Wolfey
"Not to burst your bubble, but I doubt it can be had for 52k. That particular car in Tysons was offered to me for 67K. No thanks."
Yeah? Well to each his own. But someone drove that car off the showroom floor for 62K recently. Just so ya know! I was wrong about the total sticker price. I didn't see any dealer markup sticker when I looked at it. Expensive ride for sure! Interestingly I don't like the shelby GT's look as much as I do my pony. I might consider upgrading my pony to a BOSS 302 though. ;-)
The prices should start to fall this year.
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