anyone ever been smoked by a cum apart or a power stroke? I did on monday :(. I was messin with him cuz his g/f was checkin out my ride, i floored and all i heard was a big narly turbo spooling up, a huge cloud of black smoke and then i was eatin dust. I feel so ashamed. i need some gears...or an intake...or possibly some spray. im tired of losin

My own father has stomped my ass with with 7.3 power stroke. Diesels are nothing to snub your nose at. All it takes is a chip and they will put away new mustangs.

gears would do it, but you do know you would beat him in top end!! thats a plus!

its still embarrassing to lose to an 8500lb truck

the same thing happened to me, I managed to come out ahead though, those dodge 3500's gotta slow down for sharp corners.

Ummm not really when some of them are pusing around 3 to 4 times the amount of torque as you and aboot twice to three times your horsepower.

musclemustang94:

anyone ever been smoked by a cum apart or a power stroke? I did on monday :(. I was messin with him cuz his g/f was checkin out my ride, i floored and all i heard was a big narly turbo spooling up, a huge cloud of black smoke and then i was eatin dust. I feel so ashamed. i need some gears...or an intake...or possibly some spray. im tired of losin

Where are you located, sounds like my buddie's cummins.

it was a power stroke...i wouldn't lose to a DODGE!

actually dodge's cummins is the best motor on the market..

My brother has an '05 Ram 2500 with a Cummins and it ran a 14.4 with just a Bullydog tuner and a straight piped exhaust on 35" tires.
My Mustang ran a best of 15.339 with alot more done to it than his truck.
Its definately fast for a 7800 pound truck.

My buddy's got a huge cummins 2500 big horn edition pushing around 1200 ft lbs of torque and 6xx horse power.

He runs 11s

Cummins only uses a inline 6 because it has 7 main bearings. HEKKA strong...you'll get more horse out of a v-8. Next year ford is going to a 6.4 and is going to twin turbos on their diesels. that engine is gonna be insane.

There was ford duelie at the track this past sunday running 11's like it was nothing all day.

sorry. double post. look below \/

i gotta buddy of mine whos crazy into turbos and now into truck, and hes got an 03' extended cab power stroke with exhaust, a chip, and intake and it runs 13.90's... and it weights like almost 7,000 lbs!!! crazy!

+1. diesels can be really nasty. plug in chip. cold air intake. full exhaust with a down pipe and upgrade the intake pipeing and intercooler.. and propane injection and say hello to 1,000+ ft/lbs of torque and 450-500+hp. my old teacher at scool had a 2500 shortbed 4x4 dodge diesel that just had a banks power tube and exhaust and a chip and he put down 800+ ft/lbs of torque and375+hp through a 6 speed. that truck was nasty. they had the brakes on the dyno on so the big rollers would roll and he was all strapped down and put it in first and could spin the rollers whil the dyno brake was on.. it was crazy.. coolest thing i had ever seen. theng was fast too... could light up his 34" mud tires though 4 gears.

IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.

There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.

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IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.

There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.


Duramax is a turd!

i raced an 05+ f250 T deisel. i beat him...im stock, and i think he prob was too(was an older guy). but w. a chip them diesels are nasty

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IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.

There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.


Duramax is a turd!

+eleventy gabilliontrillion. duramaxs are junk.

diesel is the new power king

once they get the weight rating down and hp ratings up.. diesels will OWN the automotive industry.

come on... 650+ ft-lbs with a chip? WTF........ and they dont weigh THAT much. you only see them in trucks. wait till cars get the bigass diesels. can anyone say SWAP?!?! :D

The fastest diesel truck Ive seen was a Chevy with a Duramax that ran 12.8.
All the Fords Ive seen at the track have been alot slower than the GM's or Dodges.

cummins and powerstroke for the win!! Yea, those diesels are gettin pretty crazy. Must be nice to lay down 550 RWHP get 15-20MPG and tow your boat all at the same time

diesel is the new power king

once they get the weight rating down and hp ratings up.. diesels will OWN the automotive industry.

come on... 650+ ft-lbs with a chip? WTF........ and they dont weigh THAT much. you only see them in trucks. wait till cars get the bigass diesels. can anyone say SWAP?!?!


very true, diesels are getting big in the automotive world.

but in a car?? they have before and i have seen a few modded VW's with diesels but there motors are so damn heavy im sure they handle like terds...


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The fastest diesel truck Ive seen was a Chevy with a Duramax that ran 12.8.
All the Fords Ive seen at the track have been alot slower than the GM's or Dodges.


a buddy of mine had a 03' duramax regular cab, and he had EVERYTHING done to it, something stupid like 33 psi and NO2 and propane.. EVERYTHING and he ran 11.90's. that truck was carazy! black smoke EVERWHERE!!! lol love it! but then he rolled it... ya not so good

um about the heavy motors i doubt it i read in CAR magazine about this vw diesel roadster they are testing 0-60 in about 6 seconds and top speed of 150 and its a 1.5 4 cylinder diesel, i bet that thing handles pretty damn good being so light and all and being all wheel drive o and it gets 83mpg no joke

I work at a truck shop, mostly doing tractor/trailers, box trucks, ect.

I hooked a tractor up to a trailer, and when you hook up, you bump the clutch in first gear just to make sure the 5th wheel locked. Well, my first time, i bumped that clutch a bit harder than i should have, and picked up the front tires. You think diesel pickups have torque, drive a tractor.

I had a little VW jetta with a little diesel engnine in it. That thing was sweet. Like 9 sec 60' times. We were going to measure the quarter mile, but it was couldy and the sun dial we brought wouldn't work. That thing was a peice of crap. But I drove a 2500 HD going down the highway, I looked down and I was doing like 90 and didn't even notice it. They will roll. We used the same truck to pull down an old barn my grandfather had on his property. It didn't even get to 1500 RPM. Thing was NASTY.

ORIGINAL: primetime5.0
actually dodge's cummins is the best motor on the market..


Not bad considering they are outta tractors... and the powerstroke is the most reliable strongest diesel out right now...

Um, Not to start a war or anything but Powerstroke is anything but reliable at this point. Why do you think the 6.0 only ran from 03-07 model years. Buying one is a crap shoot. Ford has suffered a lot a loss due to buybacks. It was a motor that was rushed to the market and when has problems, dealer techs are left scratching their heads. Something like 33% sold have major issues. BTW, has anyone ever tried even sticking your hand under the hood. At least a person can wrench on a cummins themself at home.

whats with the hate on ford, the cummins rite now is the best but, next years diesel will kick some ass, however my friend has a powerstroke with just a chip and he and i were cruising at 100 like it was 40. They are awesome, however my friends boss has a 351 w powered 67 mustang with a cam and bigger carb and he blew by us like it was nothing, he was really moving but those diesels are fast

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IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.

There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.


Duramax is a turd!

+eleventy gabilliontrillion. duramaxs are junk.

Isuzu designed and built the duramx

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Um, Not to start a war or anything but Powerstroke is anything but reliable at this point. Why do you think the 6.0 only ran from 03-07 model years. Buying one is a crap shoot. Ford has suffered a lot a loss due to buybacks. It was a motor that was rushed to the market and when has problems, dealer techs are left scratching their heads. Something like 33% sold have major issues. BTW, has anyone ever tried even sticking your hand under the hood. At least a person can wrench on a cummins themself at home.

BTW thats all bs, the first couple years they were having problems with the fuel system, they have all been sorted out. Ford is going to a 6.4 diesel next year (STILL THE POWERSTROKE NITWIT!) partially because of the new fuel regs (ULTRA LOW SULFUR) and dodge is going up to a 6.7L. The dodge is only gaining like 50 ft lbs and 30 horse while the powerstroke is giong up to like 800 ft lbs and somewhere around 350 horsepower.

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actually dodge's cummins is the best motor on the market..


Not bad considering they are outta tractors... and the powerstroke is the most reliable strongest diesel out right now...

haha not to be a prick and correct EVERYONE...but the 5.9 is out of medium duty pickups. Its the same block but diffrent displacement and cams, fuel system and engine mangement.

fo sheezzy. they have like 2200 ft lbs of torque off idle

No hatin'. just statin'. No doubt all three diesels can be made to be insanely fast for 7000#+ vehichles. Just pick your poison and have plenty of cash on hand. There mods do add up, although most are easy to add on. The Cummins just do seem to tolerate heftier gains in power for longer periods, but some people simply don't like the feel and sound of an I6 engine in the first place.

No need for name calling whoever. Didn't say the powerstoke name was changing, the 6.4 will be a lot different than the 6.0. Not just to satisfy the EPA. And just read a while on dieselstop.com. to see how great to 6.0 is. If someone wants to drop 50k on a new truck and take the chances with a 6.0, go ahead. Lots of people go to Vegas everyday, have a great time, and lose lots of money. It's called gambling.

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No need for name calling whoever. Didn't say the powerstoke name was changing, the 6.4 will be a lot different than the 6.0. Not just to satisfy the EPA. And just read a while on dieselstop.com. to see how great to 6.0 is. If someone wants to drop 50k on a new truck and take the chances with a 6.0, go ahead. Lots of people go to vegas everyday, have a great time, and loose lots of money. It's called gambling.

you cant trust everything you read on the net man

Actually I am quite sure that the 5.9 was originally in tractors and such equipment. We have a Kobelco trac-hoe and a Komatsu dozer with this engine. And decades back it was found in Olver tractors.

your all talkin about bashing on ford, ford doesnt make the powerstroke, international makes it. dodge obviously doesnt make the cummins and the duramax was already stated. but yea they all are about the same, personally i would pick the duramax or cummins cause there isnt as much noise from the engine, more noise from the exhaust. most powerstrokes are noisy and sound like crap. the new ones are better though ill agree with that.

I'll bet you if you go to www.dieselplace.com you will find about 37,000 men and women that drive Chevy Duramax trucks that will argue the point that the dmax sucks. I bet you will find that 65-70% have some kind of mod and of those 65-70%, most of them will kill a mustang pretty easily. I know my 2 have No Problems and mine are prolly the slowest of the modded trucks.

My dads old truck(got rolled) was a 2005 f 250 with the power stroke crew cab short bed with a 6inch lift and 37 inch tires. He had a magnaflow 4 inch exhaust edge programer and air hog cold air intake. that thing had some serius torque it could smoke the tires in 4hi. Im sure it would have ran low 14s high 13s maybe better.

cummins is owned by ford

Mmmm Mmmm
Mustangs with the windows rolled down make for good soot collectors.

[sm=icon_rofl.gif] that's funny, a turd hmmmmm. Duramax is going above and beyond what most people ever expected, if they are turds, they sure as heck are fast.
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IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.

There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.


Duramax is a turd!

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Um, Not to start a war or anything but Powerstroke is anything but reliable at this point. Why do you think the 6.0 only ran from 03-07 model years. Buying one is a crap shoot. Ford has suffered a lot a loss due to buybacks. It was a motor that was rushed to the market and when has problems, dealer techs are left scratching their heads. Something like 33% sold have major issues. BTW, has anyone ever tried even sticking your hand under the hood. At least a person can wrench on a cummins themself at home.

BTW thats all bs, the first couple years they were having problems with the fuel system, they have all been sorted out. Ford is going to a 6.4 diesel next year (STILL THE POWERSTROKE NITWIT!) partially because of the new fuel regs (ULTRA LOW SULFUR) and dodge is going up to a 6.7L. The dodge is only gaining like 50 ft lbs and 30 horse while the powerstroke is giong up to like 800 ft lbs and somewhere around 350 horsepower.



Now 350HP and 800ft lbs would be nice, but it's actually 350HP/650TQ for the 2008 6.4L Power Stroke.

And for anyone that says Chevy's suck, I beg to differ. I own a 7.3L myself, but Chevy's pack the most punch mod for mod. For the 2008 MY vehicles, it could be another story, but we'll see with all this emission crap. Till then, Chevy is pretty much running things.

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cummins is owned by ford



orly? Are you sure about that?

Ford just bought part of cummins, but dodge re-upped on the 5.9, so you wont see a 5.9 in a ford anytime soon. Theres a few companies that own cummins i believe.

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116459 :)

i cant log in whats it say

Log in it is free and you can learn alot about why these trucks are whippen up on ferds.

My father owns a 2001 F350 with the 7.3L and I will personally swear by it. The 6.0L powerstrokes are crap but the 7.3 are champ. The cummins is also a great motor. Either one belongs in a truck. I personally don't like the dodge trucks though. The amount of torque these diesels put out is nothing short of incredible. Makes me jealous.

the 7.3 was a great engine. my friend is a ford dealer tech and he never sees the 7.3's. He replaced a turbo on a 6.0 at least once a week. They make more power but are not nearly as durable.

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your all talkin about bashing on ford, ford doesnt make the powerstroke, international makes it. dodge obviously doesnt make the cummins and the duramax was already stated. but yea they all are about the same, personally i would pick the duramax or cummins cause there isnt as much noise from the engine, more noise from the exhaust. most powerstrokes are noisy and sound like crap. the new ones are better though ill agree with that.


you are ass backwards with your statement if you knew anything about the diesels the cummins makes way more noise all around than either duramax or powerstroke ask anyone. But thats a exception to the newest ones which they managed to quiet down alittle bit better by running a cat and what not

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OK whoever said Ford owns Cummins...that is entirely wrong. Ford USED to own a small percentage of Cummins, but sold all their shares. Ford is no longer in anyway a part of Cummins. Also- all of the modern diesels are excellent- sure each has its problems, but all have their high points. In my opinion, the Cummins is by FAR the best overall motor- most reliable (I6- therefore less moving parts, built WAY beefier) just look at a comparison between the connecting rods.
The 7.3s are very very reliable also, but in my opinion they are turds from hell unless you mod them. The Dmaxes are good trucks, but they have aluminum heads, which is a bad idea when you start pumping massive fuel and air into them. 6.0s had their problems early one, but they are mostly smoothed out. The rumors about the 6.0 being a 'bandaid' for Ford to get a new motor out to get them by until the 6.4L are true, but the 6.0 is an awesome sounding and running motor if you ask me- I have seen many 6.0s whoop on duramaxes and cummins...and vice versa. Dodges win the most truck pulls by far- trust me I go to about 20 a year. Whoever said the truck was 8500lb...that's pretty far off unless it had tractor weights hangin off the front. Most diesels, inlcuding duallies, are easily under the 8K mark (that's why the diesel classes are all 8,000lb at truck pulls).
Also, I OWN a 1994 Ford 7.3L IDI turbo (mechanical motor like the old 7.3s but with beefier connecting rods, pistons, valves) and mine was only rated at 190HP and 395lb-ft of torque and I have turned mine up to about 250HP and 525lb-ft and it will outpull any STOCK newer diesel- regardless of brand. In my opinion the only saving grace of the newer diesels are chips/tuners, and fuel plates for 12V cummins. My friend has a '99 7.3L powerstroke- bone stock. I was working on my truck so we used his to haul my brother's pulling truck (2WD stock class gas) to the pulls, and that thing was dying trying to get up to speed. On the same note, my motor is old and outdated, and will get smoked by any newer diesel that's modded just slightly. But, I'll keep my 'ol girl for as long as I live because it is by FAR the most reliable and cheapest and easiest to work on diesel. Injectors for my motor are $34/ea, while an average price of new diesels is $200/ea. My motor only needs the standard 3 wires to run like the old carbuerated motors, instead of a whole nightmare of electrical systems to operate.
Sorry for the long post, but to sum it up, each diesel truck can be modded to be made fast...it just depends on your personal preference. Yes, I'm biased towards the dodges because they put dana 70s and 80s in their trucks and 60s in the fronts, which is by far better than chevy (independant front suspension[:'(]) and ford (10.25" or 10.5" rears[:'(]). Would I ever buy a dodge? Hell NO- other than the motors they are mostly garbage.

Oh, and I almost forgot. The Chevy selling point is also the Allison 5-speed automatic transmission. Chevy has always had good autos, but they contracted Allison to build their 1000 series trannies for their trucks, and they are awesome like everyone says, but they have their downside as well. To rebuild one you better have a HUGE chunk of change- I'm talking average STOCK rebuild is $3800 at most shops. Also, it's a good thing, and can be a bad thing, but the trans will sense being overpowered and defuel the duramax, which can be good for preventing damage to the tranny, but sucks if you're intentionally trying to get the most power out of it possible. I know the first series of duramaxes, when chipped and being romped on hard would cause the transmission to completely defuel the motor (as in protective shut down)...I know a guy who lost a turbo because he was doin a burnoff and redlining, then his truck shut off, which is a bad deal when the turbo is still spinning extremely fast and all of a sudden the oil pressure is gone because the motor is no longer running...:eek: But I believe they fixed that problem with Chevys ASAP.

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OK whoever said Ford owns Cummins...that is entirely wrong. Ford USED to own a small percentage of Cummins, but sold all their shares. Ford is no longer in anyway a part of Cummins. Also- all of the modern diesels are excellent- sure each has its problems, but all have their high points. In my opinion, the Cummins is by FAR the best overall motor- most reliable (I6- therefore less moving parts, built WAY beefier) just look at a comparison between the connecting rods.
The 7.3s are very very reliable also, but in my opinion they are turds from hell unless you mod them. The Dmaxes are good trucks, but they have aluminum heads, which is a bad idea when you start pumping massive fuel and air into them. 6.0s had their problems early one, but they are mostly smoothed out. The rumors about the 6.0 being a 'bandaid' for Ford to get a new motor out to get them by until the 6.4L are true, but the 6.0 is an awesome sounding and running motor if you ask me- I have seen many 6.0s whoop on duramaxes and cummins...and vice versa. Dodges win the most truck pulls by far- trust me I go to about 20 a year. Whoever said the truck was 8500lb...that's pretty far off unless it had tractor weights hangin off the front. Most diesels, inlcuding duallies, are easily under the 8K mark (that's why the diesel classes are all 8,000lb at truck pulls).
Also, I OWN a 1994 Ford 7.3L IDI turbo (mechanical motor like the old 7.3s but with beefier connecting rods, pistons, valves) and mine was only rated at 190HP and 395lb-ft of torque and I have turned mine up to about 250HP and 525lb-ft and it will outpull any STOCK newer diesel- regardless of brand. In my opinion the only saving grace of the newer diesels are chips/tuners, and fuel plates for 12V cummins. My friend has a '99 7.3L powerstroke- bone stock. I was working on my truck so we used his to haul my brother's pulling truck (2WD stock class gas) to the pulls, and that thing was dying trying to get up to speed. On the same note, my motor is old and outdated, and will get smoked by any newer diesel that's modded just slightly. But, I'll keep my 'ol girl for as long as I live because it is by FAR the most reliable and cheapest and easiest to work on diesel. Injectors for my motor are $34/ea, while an average price of new diesels is $200/ea. My motor only needs the standard 3 wires to run like the old carbuerated motors, instead of a whole nightmare of electrical systems to operate.
Sorry for the long post, but to sum it up, each diesel truck can be modded to be made fast...it just depends on your personal preference. Yes, I'm biased towards the dodges because they put dana 70s and 80s in their trucks and 60s in the fronts, which is by far better than chevy (independant front suspension[:'(]) and ford (10.25" or 10.5" rears[:'(]). Would I ever buy a dodge? Hell NO- other than the motors they are mostly garbage.

I was always told that the sterling rear ends were damn near indestructable... and ford uses dana kingpin style 60's in the front too dont they?

Would I ever buy a dodge? Hell NO- other than the motors they are mostly garbage.
this is so true my brothers dodge broke down all the time not due to the engine but other things. We used to have a 95 f 350 with the 7.3 powerstroke that had more power then we ever needed. Then we got a 05 f 250 with the 6.0 powerstroke and we never had any problems. It ran strong and had mad torque. I never understood the whole thing be hind them being a terible engine. It got to 50000 miles before it was totaled. Now we have a 07 2500 silverado with the duramax and to me it dosnt feel like it has as much power as the others. The ride on it is incredably bouncey. And it shouldnt even be classified as a truck because of how low it sits.

Nope- the older sterling axles have a terrible problem with breaking axleshafts soley because of the design of the wheel bearings- they can become oil starved and seize up, which snaps the axle off if you're moving with any ooomph. I used to think they were strong, too because they're pretty big (GM 14-bolts are 10.5" ring gear, and very strong), until I saw the first ones at truck pulls and at a buddie's house muddin' by the river. They are random- some will hold up (mine's runnin strong at 300,xxx miles) and some will break with relative ease. Lots of ford guys with the 10.25 will swap to either a 14-bolt or an Eaton out of older GMs (we're talkin late 60s, early 70s). The reason 14-bolts are so much stronger is they have an extra pinion bearing that helps keep them straight under load. Don't get me wrong I've seen 14-bolts, eatons, Dana 70s, AND Dana 80s break when hooked up to a sled- but at a far lower rate than 10.25/10.5". My brother's truck twisted his 14 bolt right out of his truck, and it didnt break. Basically it twisted his driveshaft like a twizzler and broke his spring perches off, but he welded them back on and it was still good. Oh, and yes and no about the kingpin Dana 60s in Fords. 70's model fords equipped with 60s had kingpins...79-87? were equipped with balljoints....87-90 were kingpins...90+ are balljoints. I swapped my Dana 50 twin traction beam crap they call an axle out for a 90s 60 with balljoints...for what I use my truck for I'll never break it.:D

Yeah I definitely would love to own a '96 or '97 powerstroke...I LOVE that body style (that's why I like my '94). Plus, I like that generation of powerstroke. Electronic so you can modd them, almost simple enough to not go crazy trying to work on. Not near as much power as the newer diesels, but I wouldn't want more than a single chip and injectors would do anyway.

and propane!;)

Don't forget water injection;). Diesels are amazing- you can feed those things anything. My owner's mandual says I can run (drum roll): #1diesel, #2diesel, off-road diesel (higher sulphur), kerosene for short amounts of time (no natural lubricity), and last but not least, up to 10% motor oil mixed in with the above. I believe you can run 10% motor oil with kerosene indefinitely. I'm sure the oil would add tons of carbon buildup, but hey you CAN run it if you want to haha. Also, you can run biodiesel and vegetable oil through diesels. Power adders are plentiful, too: nitrous, propane, and water/methanal injection. Talk about a motor being on drugs haha.

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your all talkin about bashing on ford, ford doesnt make the powerstroke, international makes it. dodge obviously doesnt make the cummins and the duramax was already stated. but yea they all are about the same, personally i would pick the duramax or cummins cause there isnt as much noise from the engine, more noise from the exhaust. most powerstrokes are noisy and sound like crap. the new ones are better though ill agree with that.


you are ass backwards with your statement if you knew anything about the diesels the cummins makes way more noise all around than either duramax or powerstroke ask anyone. But thats a exception to the newest ones which they managed to quiet down alittle bit better by running a cat and what not

ok you can be an ass about it ... and for your information i do know things about diesels many of my friends mod them all the time here. the cummins makes differnent kind of sound they sound healthy the older powerstrokes sounded like crap they didnt sound like they could pull themselves let alone haul, they are better now and cummins sound hella sick strait piped. illl agree the cummins isnt that much quieter but it defintaly sounds better.

the cummins are by far one of the worst sounding engines because of it being a inline 6 there is more time in between each fire of the piston compared the the v8s in the ford and chevy. the dodges inline 6 seems to be much louder and shakes there trucks up which cant hold up to that for to long. leading to there interior falling apart.

i guess im just different but i like how it sounds but idk i like all of them just some more, all of the new ones are better and have fixed MOST of the problems

hehe you guys are funny...

but there are plenty of darn fast 7000+ pound trucks out there. To run 12's with a crew cab, get a built transmission, TTS Extreme chip, tie rod sleeves, and exhaust. Bam. Thats all you need. :D Theres even a full street driven truck out there that runs low 10's, on, get this, the stock turbo! Cuts a 1.3x-1.4x 60 foot time.

for 400-500 bucks you can make one run 14 flat.

the ally is a good tranny because the stock hard parts of it are so huge, its only the clutches that need upgrading, whereas the dodge and ford tranny's need billet internals if you want to run decent power. The allison transmission alone weighs around 350 pounds dry, without the torque converter, converter is an extra 78 pounds. IF you built the trans yourself you can have a bulletproof allison for 2700 bucks....yeah its a lot, but you have to consider what is being put through it in a fast truck; 650hp, 1300 ft lbs of torque in a vehicle that weighs 7000+ pounds and huge tires all while towing 16,000+ pounds. Then think of what all the stock engine internals are being put through at 50+ psi of boost! They seem to hold tho; stock rods give way somewhere around 750 rear wheel hp and ~1400 ft lbs of rear wheel torque.

the whole big truck sleeper look thing is fun, and also towing big stuff for work and use it for truck stuff, then putt down the 1/4 mile somewhere in the mid-high 12 second range, maybe faster if I took the toolbox out of the bed, who knows. I have a bigger turbo tho.

asauer you are incorrect; the GM 8.1's and dmax's run an 11.5" ring gear in the rear axle, 9.25" in the front.

also, I have never heard of anyone "twisting a 14 bolt out of a truck". Twisting a driveshaft? Yeah, but these rear axles are huge; no one is breaking them, not including guys eating the gov-locks from doing donuts. Id love to see pics of this twisted off 14 bolt. There are FAR weaker points in the GM drivetrains. The aluminum cased transfer case and the driveshaft?? Those would fail WAYYY before the rear axle would fail IMHO...

but to each his own oppinion, carry on. :)

ben

i'm just currious...how did all the diesel guys end up in the mustang forum? lol.. well maybe i will throw a powerstroke in my stang and head over to the diesle forums.;)

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i'm just currious...how did all the diesel guys end up in the mustang forum? lol.. well maybe i will throw a powerstroke in my stang and head over to the diesle forums.;)



I was thining the same thing. I owned a diesle for a little bit, but I didn;t know this much

definetly duramax ftw, from the pulls ive been to(friend has a dura dualie), the duramaxes are at the top

i like the older 7.3 powerstrokes probably best compared to the 6.0 or the duramax or the cummins, altho i like the cummins because of how much more room you have to work and because they are good engines the older ones just make so much racket specially if you have exhaust that it just gets annoying i dont like the tone to them either ive always liked how the v8 diesels sounded better. if you really want to know what a junk diesel with alot of problems is look at the 80s and 90s chevy non turbo and turbo diesels now that was one crappy engine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN_bXN6Q4JA

i thought it was kinda ironic that i had this video of my duramax at the strip :)

since this is my first post here, i would just like to say hey, im DJ i used to own a 89 gt, so i browse these forums sometime

all you stang owners saying duramax is crap need to recognize.

you will get beat ALL DAY LONG like an ugly wife, cuz your cars suck!!!
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i have a 97 F250 with 230,000 miles on the 7.3, its got a chip intake and a full straight pipe 4 in exhaust with a dp, on day at a stop light one of them damn r32's pulled up next to me and he heard my turbo and revved his engine, i said are you sure you want to do that with your windows down?, he laughed at me like thinking i had no chance, he changed his mind after his car was filled with black soot, i love the 7.3 Its indestructible, but the trans, well we wont go there.

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i'm just currious...how did all the diesel guys end up in the mustang forum? lol.. well maybe i will throw a powerstroke in my stang and head over to the diesle forums.;)



I was thining the same thing. I owned a diesle for a little bit, but I didn;t know this much


You obviously did not own one long enough to know how to spell DIESEL. If you re read this thread you will find that we are following this thread at http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118714. As mentioned you will have to get a login to read about it, but a login is free.

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actually dodge's cummins is the best motor on the market..


Not bad considering they are outta tractors... and the powerstroke is the most reliable strongest diesel out right now...


really i would have thought that 360hp and 650lbft stock was more than 325/570. and most reliable hahahahhaha, thats a good one, 1-cummins 2-dmax and a far 3rd is the powerjoke, the 7.3s were good, but the 6.0no?

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cummins is owned by ford


hahahahahhaahahahahahahhaahahha, ford wishes

duramax link (http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1439984#post1439984)


http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/garageimage.php?do=full&p=17418&d=1160316717


bitchezzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!

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all you stang owners saying duramax is crap need to recognize.

you will get beat ALL DAY LONG like an ugly wife, cuz your cars suck!!!
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your just jealous of fords because chevy's pos diesels before that were junk just like most of their products today and they had to resort to isuzu of all people to make their new diesel and they are still pretty much bankrupt. not to mention you sound like a kid who just happened to find this thread and sign up just so he can be a internet **** talker since your too insecure to do it in person. so i got a question for you do you feel like a hardass now mr e thug?

ORIGINAL: faststang94

ORIGINAL: duramaxnyoazz

all you stang owners saying duramax is crap need to recognize.

you will get beat ALL DAY LONG like an ugly wife, cuz your cars suck!!!
f


ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


your just jealous of fords because chevy's pos diesels before that were junk just like most of their products today and they had to resort to isuzu of all people to make their new diesel and they are still pretty much bankrupt. not to mention you sound like a kid who just happened to find this thread and sign up just so he can be a internet **** talker since your too insecure to do it in person. so i got a question for you do you feel like a hardass now mr e thug?
I'm no kid and I Have a 7000lb.POS Duramax that will hand you your ass.Bring it.Chttp://dieselplace.com/forum/index.php?oome on over,maybe you'll learn something.Sounds like you need it.

ORIGINAL: faststang94

ORIGINAL: duramaxnyoazz

all you stang owners saying duramax is crap need to recognize.

you will get beat ALL DAY LONG like an ugly wife, cuz your cars suck!!!
f


ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


your just jealous of fords because chevy's pos diesels before that were junk just like most of their products today and they had to resort to isuzu of all people to make their new diesel and they are still pretty much bankrupt. not to mention you sound like a kid who just happened to find this thread and sign up just so he can be a internet **** talker since your too insecure to do it in person. so i got a question for you do you feel like a hardass now mr e thug?


ummm, ford doesnt make their engine either and it is still a POS. the dmax is an awesome motor with amazing potential. that cant be said about a 6.0L psd. its ok tho at least ford circled all their problems for you guys. oh and by the way mustangs are kid cars. not turbo diesel trucks

i really dont give a damn what you drive..... and ill tell you as well i dont really give a **** how old you are either its obvious that you are immature and have too much time on your hands because you just made another name to post with....i dont think anyone on here gives a damn if your duramax is fast or not. its like that saying goes driving a duramax is like wining the special olympics EVEN IF YOU WIN YOUR STILL RETARDED............
ORIGINAL: 66flh


ORIGINAL: faststang94

ORIGINAL: duramaxnyoazz

all you stang owners saying duramax is crap need to recognize.

you will get beat ALL DAY LONG like an ugly wife, cuz your cars suck!!!
f


ha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah


your just jealous of fords because chevy's pos diesels before that were junk just like most of their products today and they had to resort to isuzu of all people to make their new diesel and they are still pretty much bankrupt. not to mention you sound like a kid who just happened to find this thread and sign up just so he can be a internet **** talker since your too insecure to do it in person. so i got a question for you do you feel like a hardass now mr e thug?
I'm no kid and I Have a 7000lb.POS Duramax that will hand you your ass.Bring it.

yeah the 6.2/6.5n/a and turbo didnt really work well for speed or stump pulling power, as for chevy being a pos???? well i dont hear chevy braging on selling the most trucks..... course if you have to replace it every 5 years or so with a new one......well def braggin right there or how about the buy back on the f-250/350 and we will give you a new truck??????
BTW how many 20 year ford trucks made in between 1980-1989 do you see runing around?????? not many and dodge is even less.

you better do your homework in isuzu........ though they had alot to do with designing the 6.6 dmax GM own the stamping right to it and produces it.

as for him being a **** talker well i havent seen him do/say something he couldnt back up.

stir...........stir..............stir............. ..... and smoke ;)

enjoy

your probably the same dude diff name and i never said anything about ford making their own diesel engines did i? sure the 6.0 has its problems but the 7.3 is alot more reliable. i also dont see what your trying to prove besides making yourself sound like a ignorant fool. not everyone on here is here to brag about what they beat they go out to race and run as fast as they can with given amount of work.

funny those are two completly different guys in two completely different parts of the country

ford likes the 10 bolt idea
10bolt on 6.0 head
10bolt on 6.4 heads
10bolt on 351W head
10bolt on 351C head
got Turbo??? ooops just ate it


17bolt all SBC till 93 dont recall the lsxx blocks
18 bolts on Dmax head

I dont know who you are confusing me with.I got on here because the Dieselplace guys said it was a cool forumn.Immature?read your last post.Check me out on Dieselplace,over 1000 posts,SAME name.You sound like a typical punk getting beat in his 'stang all the time.
I see you guys here have to put up with whiny pricks too.You whine like a little BIIATCH!!!

ORIGINAL: faststang94
not to mention you sound like a kid who just happened to find this thread and sign up just so he can be a internet **** talker since your too insecure to do it in person. so i got a question for you do you feel like a hardass now mr e thug?

who is the kid here???????? tippicale kid!!!!


trying to talk up something that aint worth it...manuewer....
something ford got right ie the first two gen of the mustangs the trucks the only thing nice was the 7.3L with a pos truck wraped around it

Did they give up already?

ORIGINAL: 66flh

Did they give up already?



wow with this many members 54069..... would think it would be more active

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ORIGINAL: 66flh

Did they give up already?



wow with this many members 54069..... would think it would be more active


You'd think.

My friends Monte Carlo (stock) back in the 90's used to run away from the tangs. Every chance we had to put a frown on a tangs face we did. And not once did a stock v8 tang have a chance in beating the General.

From what I have seen, these new tangs are slower than the older ones. I think since Ferd started supporting gays, their engineers got girly too.:D

Looks like a bunch of homos got bored with their own site so they decided to invade ours. How nice.

Good post,VERY mature.I'll bet your Mustang has a V-6 huh?:D

If it makes you happy to think that, then that works for me.

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Looks like a bunch of homos got bored with their own site so they decided to invade ours. How nice.


looks like it huh... well maybe we should go invade theirs oh wait nevermind most of us don't have that much time on our hands to just join up to a forum and start insulting everyone and their cars. shows the diff between the intelligent and the well um not so intelligent....

ORIGINAL: faststang94


ORIGINAL: FordMustangXBA

Looks like a bunch of homos got bored with their own site so they decided to invade ours. How nice.


looks like it huh... well maybe we should go invade theirs oh wait nevermind most of us don't have that much time on our hands to just join up to a forum and start insulting everyone and their cars. shows the diff between the intelligent and the well um not so intelligent....


i would not do that you might learn something;)

oooooh disel internet warriors!!!! wow, get a life, race my stang, i kill diesels all the time, leave them and their stinking smoke.

ORIGINAL: stangyourdiesel

oooooh disel internet warriors!!!! wow, get a life, race my stang, i kill diesels all the time, leave them and their stinking smoke.
Sure you do Jr.:D

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ORIGINAL: FordMustangXBA

Looks like a bunch of homos got bored with their own site so they decided to invade ours. How nice.


looks like it huh... well maybe we should go invade theirs oh wait nevermind most of us don't have that much time on our hands to just join up to a forum and start insulting everyone and their cars. shows the diff between the intelligent and the well um not so intelligent....
Come on over,takes about 1 min. to become a user.By the way,you guys started the insults.

[/quote]Come on over,takes about 1 min. to become a user.By the way,you guys started the insults.
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you might want to be nice and show them

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ORIGINAL: faststang94


ORIGINAL: FordMustangXBA

Looks like a bunch of homos got bored with their own site so they decided to invade ours. How nice.


looks like it huh... well maybe we should go invade theirs oh wait nevermind most of us don't have that much time on our hands to just join up to a forum and start insulting everyone and their cars. shows the diff between the intelligent and the well um not so intelligent....


i would not do that you might learn something;)




that your a douchebag and im not?

ok .................i will play







i am rubber you glue

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ORIGINAL: malibu795


ORIGINAL: faststang94


ORIGINAL: FordMustangXBA

Looks like a bunch of homos got bored with their own site so they decided to invade ours. How nice.


looks like it huh... well maybe we should go invade theirs oh wait nevermind most of us don't have that much time on our hands to just join up to a forum and start insulting everyone and their cars. shows the diff between the intelligent and the well um not so intelligent....


i would not do that you might learn something;)




that your a douchebag and im not?
Yes,you are a douchebag too.Better?

Duratothemax- sorry I was referring to older chevys when I was talking about 14bolts. Also- my brother welded the spring perches back on and it's back underneath his truck. I can't believe you've never seen a 14-bolt broken...you should hang around people with trucks that actually have nuts sometime haha jk. But yeah, they're hard to break, but definitely do. Older trucks don't have aluminum driveshafts...and everyone uses NP205 transfer cases because they're A.not cast aluminum casings, and B. Gear-driven, not chain driven. So yes, the rearend IS the weakest link. If I had a digital camera I'd take a pic of the axle- you can see the weld beads on the perches where he remounted them. It would have been avoided if he would be able to run track bars in his class...
Oh, and to all you Chevy guys coming on here and startin crap- you have a point we started it first, BUT we did not start it on YOUR website. Also, your grammatical skills definitely leave something to be desired. You definitely DO look like little kids with your behavior and horrid spelling skills. I bet you're the type of people that buy truck magazines and only look at the pictures, then throw them away because it takes too long to read the articles...:eek:

im not even going to bother anymore have fun talking to yourself

Who has bad grammar?Not I.If the perches broke at the weld,it was a bad weld.By the way,the 14 bolts on the new diesel and big block HD's are way different than the older 14 bolts.
We've invited you boys several times to come on over but you guys must be afraid.

Oh, and whoever said the Cummins is a bad sounding, bad running motor because it's an inline six needs to read up on engines. Also, sorry to say but it also does NOT shake the truck apart over time...that is ignorant. Everyone knows dodges fall apart on their own in a short amount of time.:D Seriously...think about it...how do you think semis manage to stay together for a million miles? Oh gee...with an INLINE SIX...many of which are CUMMINS (albeit much larger versions, but same exact architecture and electronics design).:eek:
The inline six is superior to a V8 in the aspect of torque curves and torque production overall. They have much larger strokes for the same displacement as a V8...simple physics. Look at a cummins- they produce their max peak at 1500RPM because of their design, and the curve stays flat til up around 3k.

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Oh, and whoever said the Cummins is a bad sounding, bad running motor because it's an inline six needs to read up on engines. Also, sorry to say but it also does NOT shake the truck apart over time...that is ignorant. Everyone knows dodges fall apart on their own in a short amount of time.:D Seriously...think about it...how do you think semis manage to stay together for a million miles? Oh gee...with an INLINE SIX...many of which are CUMMINS (albeit much larger versions, but same exact architecture and electronics design).:eek:
The inline six is superior to a V8 in the aspect of torque curves and torque production overall. They have much larger strokes for the same displacement as a V8...simple physics. Look at a cummins- they produce their max peak at 1500RPM because of their design, and the curve stays flat til up around 3k.



alot of the 5.9 noise came for the PT stop fuel injectors....you hear the pressuriaztion and relase of the fuel. v-8 are natuarly smoother becasue the power point are closer together than the I6

The new ones are much quieter.Cummins is a great motor,too bad it only comes in a dodge.

I realize they're way different, and apparently even stronger. Never once did I state it was the same rearend, nor did I state that it was weak/strong. It was never mentioned. You chevy guys ought to try reading things thoroughly. I am definitely a fan of the carbeurated chevys...so much power for so cheap...but you guys are making chevy drivers look like idiots. Also, monte carlos and especially CAMAROs are hunks of $hit. My brother has a camaro he bought with 49,000 miles and the motor was toast at about 55k because the oil pickup fell into the pan. He has had countless problems, and for as big as those things are you think there'd be room to work on them, but there certainly isn't.
Oh, and it wasn't a bad weld because of my brother...it was the STOCK perch setup.
Talk crap about Ford Trucks- My 1994 truck has 300,xxx HARD miles on it and the original motor has never been touched. Come back to me when your duramaxes are 10+years old and hit 300k+. I guarantee you'll be faring MUCH worse than me...can anyone say electrical nightmare? I am an aircraft electronics technician in the Air Guard, an electrician's apprentice for my civilian job, and am studying for electrical engineering...I'll be the first one to tell you electronics definitely have a short lifespan compared to mechanical things. If they're exposed to the elements at all they wear out and will give you fits. It's pretty bad when I have such an electrical background and I refuse to own a new diesel...simply because they are nightmares as far as long-term ownership and reliability regardless of being a Powerchoke, Maxipad, or a Cumapart.

ORIGINAL: 66flh

The new ones are much quieter.Cummins is a great motor,too bad it only comes in a dodge.



they are comon rail diesels and use solioded acuated injectors much like their big brothers

Try to be nice to some people and they are still assholes.Go F yourself.Outta here.;)

Yes, you're both right. Duramaxes run much smoother...and yes, it's a shame that cummins have to come in a Dodge. I wouldn't take a dodge truck for free unless it was a cummins, and even then it'd be comin out of there and going into my Ford haha.
I'm not trying to knock you chevy guys- If I were to buy a new diesel it'd probably be a duramax IF they didn't have independant front ends...that's one of the things that turns me off to any new chevy. Who cares what it rides like if it's sitting along the side of the road with the front end busted in half? I also like the 6.0s- if I was to get a gas powered truck it'd definitely be a 6.0 before a hemi or a 5.4L---speaking of which, even though I'm going to take heat from the newer mustang guys...I think the 5.4 Triton family of motors are all trash. No balls and a pain to work on...:eek:

sound like you 94 had a 7.3 in it.


there are several guy with 300k plus mile on trucks and several of those guys tow 16k+ with them for a living

Aww does somebody have sand in their vagina? I'm sorry you can't take a little crap when you came on here starting it. This is a pointless discussion anyway- every company has their ups and downs...their awesome vehicles and ones that should have been dropped before production. In my opinion, Ford does it way better overall. I have to take **** all the time because both of my brothers are diehard chevy guys and several of my good buddies are as well. Trust me, I'm not switching loyalties anytime soon, and pretty sure no one else on here is either, so why wasting your time playing around the bee's nest?

ORIGINAL: faststang94

ORIGINAL: duramaxnyoazz

all you stang owners saying duramax is crap need to recognize.

you will get beat ALL DAY LONG like an ugly wife, cuz your cars suck!!!
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your just jealous of fords because chevy's pos diesels before that were junk just like most of their products today and they had to resort to isuzu of all people to make their new diesel and they are still pretty much bankrupt. not to mention you sound like a kid who just happened to find this thread and sign up just so he can be a internet **** talker since your too insecure to do it in person. so i got a question for you do you feel like a hardass now mr e thug?

I'm your Huckleberry!, My name here is the same over there, call me Jeromy, I'm in Texas. Bring your ass. I'll smoke your a$$ so bad, you WILL go home cryin to mommie because you got black boogers from inhaling soot from the Duramax that just handed you your ass on a shiny silver "a$$" platter, BOY. You talk so much **** about Duramaxes being a POS, I don't see you runnin 11.64 on fuel only no ..............NAAAAWWWSSSSS as you might call it. Even if you were close, even remotely close, add 5,000 lbs to your "stinkang" and see if you can pull better than a 20 sec. ET!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, mine's the 7.3L Indirect Injection (IDI) with a factory turbo. Basically the same as the good 'ol fashioned 7.3Ls. Same displacement as the new ones...and that's where the similarities end. They're reliable motors, but has absolutely no aftermarket performance parts, therefore power output is limited, besides, they won't handle much power anyway because of the way the heads are designed...
I've had 20,000lbs behind my truck (so gross weight about 28,000lb) on several occassions with my dad's backhoe behind...and although she won't keep up nearly as well as the new diesels, I could keep it up on the interstate at 75mph...granted it's extremely flat around here. Do you haul alot with yours or just race it?

there is a guy on the diesel place that has IIRC early 90's 7.3 running low 12 on fuel and high 11 with n2o


as for racing i do on ocasion..... and for hauling i have close to 30k gcvw on a friend 03 chevy i am stationed in the city and have limited room for stuff

Where do you guys keep coming from? Ok...how about you go race a tweaked dodge ...guarantee you'll get YOUR ass handed to you. Duramaxes can't touch a cummins at the drags...there's only what? 1 duramax that has ever broken the 10 second barrier?:eek: Go back to your own forums...

No way?! I'll hafta sign up and check that out. Haha he's going to become the poster child for our motors...the only one who has broken out below 14s hahaha. I have never seen my style motor at the pulls OR the strip.:(
I am a member at thedieselstop.com (for Fords). Never looked for any other sites because the stop is the only place I have found tons of info about my truck.

acually i have a 64 comet that runs 10.30s with a 351c N/A might i add....so id doubt i would be behind you. I also can think what i want and so can you but im not bragging about trying to smoke someone and that one car group is superior to another thats just retarded. my mustang doesnt even run because i havent finished the building the car yet so think what you want i really dont care. i know i said i was going to not post in this rediculous thread anymore but i decided i lied...i acually like chevys early gas cars and the 350s but their new **** along with some ford and dodge **** is not what you call great.... also the f550 comes with the option of a cat, powerstroke or cummins so to the dude who said only dodge has the cummins is right and wrong. **** i didnt know u guys get your asses hurt so easy few ppl say something bad about a duramax and you all have to come over here and start **** why dont u just leave it alone

first off i was wrong about the year it is a 2000 his handle is Dockboy and sign in is free http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/member.php?u=3737
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No way?! I'll hafta sign up and check that out. Haha he's going to become the poster child for our motors...the only one who has broken out below 14s hahaha. I have never seen my style motor at the pulls OR the strip.:(
I am a member at thedieselstop.com (for Fords). Never looked for any other sites because the stop is the only place I have found tons of info about my truck.

Now Now Boys, lets calm down. We all cant help your cars are well, slow I guess you could say. And yes I can come on here and honestly say that I handed a female her ass the other night in her FORD MUSTANG. Yes you read that correctly....MUSTANG. No I dont know anything about cars or trucks, but I can guarantee anyone on here would not be able to hang with a Duramax. And if you feel that you could, I would love for you to come to our neck of the woods, better yet, we would come to you. Not only do I love racing little cars that think they are just oh so fast, but I like leaving them sitting in a cloud of smoke. Just try not to inhale it, not good for you. Not only would I put you to shame with a Chevrolet, but you will go home crying saying, "I JUST GOT MY *** HANDED TO ME BY A GIRL!"

If i head over to "the diesel place" and register an account will yall credit my life with the 10 or so minutes i just wasted reading this crap? Is there any original MF'rs still reading this? i

ok then add a few thousand pounds of weight to that car, and then run em. Only reason I started crap, was because I got tired of reading you dogging a dmax, and others not knowing what the hell they were talking about, making ignorant remarks of all 3 different diesels. Seriously, go over to our site and read, might do you some good. If duramax is such a pos, I just don't understand......a homostroke is the true POS here, the newer 6.0's that is. Cummins are great and the duramax is great, hell I'd kill for a Shelby, the point is don't be so hard up about what you THINK is the truth, you can't tell me that a 7400# vehicle runnin those numbers is anything short of IMPRESSIVE, buy yet it's a POS. Where or why do you say they are, honestly I would like to know.

ok then add a few thousand pounds of weight to that car, and then run em. Only reason I started crap, was because I got tired of reading you dogging a dmax, and others not knowing what the hell they were talking about, making ignorant remarks of all 3 different diesels. Seriously, go over to our site and read, might do you some good. If duramax is such a pos, I just don't understand......a homostroke is the true POS here, the newer 6.0's that is. Cummins are great and the duramax is great, hell I'd kill for a Shelby, the point is don't be so hard up about what you THINK is the truth, you can't tell me that a 7400# vehicle runnin those numbers is anything short of IMPRESSIVE, buy yet it's a POS. Where or why do you say they are, honestly I would like to know.

the new powerstroke has like 800 horsepower and 1000 torque, and 2 turbos. It will spank your duracraps. Also chevys are UGGGGLLLLYYYY!!!!!!!!

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ok then add a few thousand pounds of weight to that car, and then run em. Only reason I started crap, was because I got tired of reading you dogging a dmax, and others not knowing what the hell they were talking about, making ignorant remarks of all 3 different diesels. Seriously, go over to our site and read, might do you some good. If duramax is such a pos, I just don't understand......a homostroke is the true POS here, the newer 6.0's that is. Cummins are great and the duramax is great, hell I'd kill for a Shelby, the point is don't be so hard up about what you THINK is the truth, you can't tell me that a 7400# vehicle runnin those numbers is anything short of IMPRESSIVE, buy yet it's a POS. Where or why do you say they are, honestly I would like to know.


so you finally admit your the same person with like 8 diff names.... get a life man seriously go back to your duracrap forums or shut the **** up and have a reasonable conversation and acually tell something we dont acually know already...................

ORIGINAL: stangyourdiesel

the new powerstroke has like 800 horsepower and 1000 torque, and 2 turbos. It will spank your duracraps. Also chevys are UGGGGLLLLYYYY!!!!!!!!



This thread has gotten ridiculous.

Anyways, on with your quote. The new Powerstroke's will only have 350 HP and 650 TQ! The 2007.5 LMM Duramax engine will have some 365 HP and 665 TQ, I believe. There isn't that much difference, but they still will have more HP/TQ than Powerstroke. The 2 turbo's aren't 2 true turbos either.

they are just scared of REAL performance, and REAL performance cars, mustangs rule!!!

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ORIGINAL: stangyourdiesel

the new powerstroke has like 800 horsepower and 1000 torque, and 2 turbos. It will spank your duracraps. Also chevys are UGGGGLLLLYYYY!!!!!!!!



This thread has gotten ridiculous.

Anyways, on with your quote. The new Powerstroke's will only have 350 HP and 650 TQ! The 2007.5 LMM Duramax engine will have some 365 HP and 665 TQ, I believe. There isn't that much difference, but they still will have more HP/TQ than Powerstroke. The 2 turbo's aren't 2 true turbos either.


still making new names eh you just dont give up do you no one on here cares about diesels its not a ****ing diesel forum thats why its called mustangforums.com. where the **** are the mods this thread should be locked and all your ip addy banned

your wrong, powerstroke are the best, most powerful diesels there are, duh, they are in a ford! Chevy is always in 2nd place, the new duramaxes have also been bolwing up and there are huge recalls on them! what do you say to that??

Yeah, but the new Duramaxes have injectors AND carburators (sp?) plus they run off ALCOHOL, duuuude, no more need for putting gas in the ol durahooptie. My buddy has a new 07 and he added a CAI and it added 100hp!!!!!! Sweeeet!

can i get a cai for my 96 v-6, whats a cai??????

that would be 8 different indiviuals in seprate 8 bodies not 1 person with 8 different handles. iirc i think one of them (MF mods) took up the offer and went and had a look unlike you..... wow and you are cussing already!?!?!?!?

if you want to bash a brand get the facts straight if a person blindly bashes a brand without know why that brand is bad they are ignorant fools period.

if you dont care about diesels then i gues you like being behind them when they leave you standing there at the line inhaling soot. they obvious person is the thread starter did not like it. if you dont like that maybe you should do some research to find out fast a majority of theses truck are runing all three of them and build you pony accordingly. if not you will be another roasted stang reguardless of which brand smokes you.


ORIGINAL: faststang94


ORIGINAL: Smashed Ixnay


ORIGINAL: stangyourdiesel

the new powerstroke has like 800 horsepower and 1000 torque, and 2 turbos. It will spank your duracraps. Also chevys are UGGGGLLLLYYYY!!!!!!!!



This thread has gotten ridiculous.

Anyways, on with your quote. The new Powerstroke's will only have 350 HP and 650 TQ! The 2007.5 LMM Duramax engine will have some 365 HP and 665 TQ, I believe. There isn't that much difference, but they still will have more HP/TQ than Powerstroke. The 2 turbo's aren't 2 true turbos either.


still making new names eh you just dont give up do you no one on here cares about diesels its not a ****ing diesel forum thats why its called mustangforums.com. where the **** are the mods this thread should be locked and all your ip addy banned

holy crap this thread has spun outta control, haha

come on guys all i did was post up a video of the old dmax racing a mustang, even my old eclipse gsx was faster than the DMAX

ORIGINAL: faststang94


ORIGINAL: 05lly2500hd

ok then add a few thousand pounds of weight to that car, and then run em. Only reason I started crap, was because I got tired of reading you dogging a dmax, and others not knowing what the hell they were talking about, making ignorant remarks of all 3 different diesels. Seriously, go over to our site and read, might do you some good. If duramax is such a pos, I just don't understand......a homostroke is the true POS here, the newer 6.0's that is. Cummins are great and the duramax is great, hell I'd kill for a Shelby, the point is don't be so hard up about what you THINK is the truth, you can't tell me that a 7400# vehicle runnin those numbers is anything short of IMPRESSIVE, buy yet it's a POS. Where or why do you say they are, honestly I would like to know.


so you finally admit your the same person with like 8 diff names.... get a life man seriously go back to your duracrap forums or shut the **** up and have a reasonable conversation and acually tell something we dont acually know already...................



YOURE THE FUGGIN IDIOT WITH YOUR UNEDUCATED POSTS ABOUT DURAMAXES. AND iLL TELL YOU SOMETHING YOU ALREADY KNOW, YOUR MUST-URD IS MY D-MAXES BIOTCH
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LOL......:D

The only mustang I have respect for is the 69.
These newer ones can suck my soot.

^^^ are you serious. Do you read the diesel magazine? Who could out pull the rest when stacked againest each other. The chevy is a second rate truck to the ford and the dodge. Always has, always will

I have nothing but respect for the ford and dodge diesels. They are great for what they are designed for. They could pull a house of the foundation. They can tow like nothing else. They are just not meant to be put in the same category as a mustang. I don't want to see how much my car can tow. If you want to compare the two, lets put them on a road course.

Okay im not here to bash anyone but i had a 99 F250 powerstroke auto singlecab 2wd. Weight was 5700lbs (truck scale) and ran low 16s stock. With Edge evolution programmer and 4" exhaust w/ dropin K&n i ran 14.9@93, wheelspin was a problem. The weak part was the converter and transmisson. The Cummins are the best motors from what i have seen for reliability and power. Fastest Cummins (street legal) ive seen was high 10s with a BD turbos on it, 4wd extendedcab and longbed. The boost some of these trucks run are insaine, the stock cummins is good for close to 55psi. I cant rag on Dmaxes. There was one at the NHRDA races at Pacific raceway running 11s, breaking all four 36" or 37" tires loose. Everyone should go to the Diesel races at least once the sound of the turbos spooling up at the starting line is awsome. Trannys can get expensive though when you can make 1600ftlbs of TQ.

ORIGINAL: faststang94


ORIGINAL: Smashed Ixnay


ORIGINAL: stangyourdiesel

the new powerstroke has like 800 horsepower and 1000 torque, and 2 turbos. It will spank your duracraps. Also chevys are UGGGGLLLLYYYY!!!!!!!!



This thread has gotten ridiculous.

Anyways, on with your quote. The new Powerstroke's will only have 350 HP and 650 TQ! The 2007.5 LMM Duramax engine will have some 365 HP and 665 TQ, I believe. There isn't that much difference, but they still will have more HP/TQ than Powerstroke. The 2 turbo's aren't 2 true turbos either.


still making new names eh you just dont give up do you no one on here cares about diesels its not a ****ing diesel forum thats why its called mustangforums.com. where the **** are the mods this thread should be locked and all your ip addy banned


Dude, I'm saying this thread has gotten so ridiculous, it's stupid. stangyourdiesel said some information that was totally off, so I corrected him. Was I in the wrong? Get your panties out of a wad cause I'm not here bashing as others are.

ORIGINAL: 86/02stang

I have nothing but respect for the ford and dodge diesels. They are great for what they are designed for. They could pull a house of the foundation. They can tow like nothing else. They are just not meant to be put in the same category as a mustang. I don't want to see how much my car can tow. If you want to compare the two, lets put them on a road course.



Some diesel guys let it get to their heads and say "my 7500 lb truck can beat your car " and blah blah blah. They are no better than the ricers that buy a cheap $1k car and mod it to the point where it can keep up with an $80k car and brag about it.

Now to compare the two, you could use a road course and the Mustang would probably win. You put 10k lbs behind them each and then the diesel will win. So to be fair, go hit the drag strip and see who wins cause those other ways of comparing the two are pretty much useless.

ORIGINAL: Smashed Ixnay


ORIGINAL: 86/02stang

I have nothing but respect for the ford and dodge diesels. They are great for what they are designed for. They could pull a house of the foundation. They can tow like nothing else. They are just not meant to be put in the same category as a mustang. I don't want to see how much my car can tow. If you want to compare the two, lets put them on a road course.



Some diesel guys let it get to their heads and say "my 7500 lb truck can beat your car " and blah blah blah. They are no better than the ricers that buy a cheap $1k car and mod it to the point where it can keep up with an $80k car and brag about it.

Now to compare the two, you could use a road course and the Mustang would probably win. You put 10k lbs behind them each and then the diesel will win. So to be fair, go hit the drag strip and see who wins cause those other ways of comparing the two are pretty much useless.


My father drives a 2001 F350 with the 7.3L and I would love to have it. After I grad school I would love to pick one up. I actually believe there is no use for a truck without a diesel. A diesel can be made to go really fast. Just like any other vehicle on the planet. It is really going to cost though. It will cost more to put a diesel into the 10's than it would a sports car. That is alot of weight to move. Speed isn't the vehicle, it is the amount of money you put into it.

Good point 86/02stang. Money is the big motivator here...There are many ways to get speed, many are expensive, many are relatively cheap. I have Less than $1k in my mustang...SOOOO if I put another $40k in it like you 'duramax guys' I would blow the **** out of you in EVERY way. hell, I could give you guys a 5 second headstart and still "smoke" your ass. Sure, your truck could still outpull my car...but who gives a $hit? For another $40k invested my car would look more stylish, be much much faster, and get waaayyyy more chicks than your truck ever could. So you might as well drop it.

Sounds good. We should all just let it go.

You chevy diesel meatheads are a bunch of jerkoffs. I have respect for big, heavy, nasty trucks that run ANYTHING less than a 14 in the 1320. BUT YOUR TRUCK IS NOT THE FASTEST THING ON THE ROAD. YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY STROKE ON THE PLANET THAT THINKS YOUR VEHICLE IS THE COOLEST THING EVER. CHRIST, you remind me of a little kid with a new bike talking about how awesome it is.....and how its soooooo much better than everything else. All vehicle enthusiasts have retards in the wrong forum that are too dumb to consider anything but the crap they love AND YOU ARE ONE OF THEM! So your sooty truck runs 11's in the quarter AND can pull a boat. My mustang can run 12's AND GET ME A BLOWJOB ...... what does this mean? It means the same thing your immature, poorly written, illogical and insulting comments do. ABSO****INGLUTELYNOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET A LIFE AND PULL YOUR PUDD TO YOUR TRUCK IN A FORUM THAT GIVES 1/2 A FLYING RAT"S ASS!

Do you losers from the diesel place really have this much time on your hands? normally I just read here to learn, but damn you guys are retarded. What's real funny about that site is it got major funding from NISSAN to do a market study. How do you idiots like that? Your good buddies Nick and Chad filled thier pockets with money from NISSAN with the help of you morons....you think you guys are the only ones who know about things out side thier forums? MORONS!

you know what as well who runs the fastest 1/4 times.... not a diesel! thats for damn sure v8 alcohol and nitro dragsters and funny cars and who has the fastest land speed record oh wait thats not a diesel banks diesel only could go 250 or something like that deff not the fastest **** but still cool so stop braggin like i give a rats ass if you can blow soot out our exhaust and run 12s and tow a boat big deal it still means your a idiot so stop bragging and oh wait what happens when something breaks oh **** my injector pump went out theres 3k down the drain if not more aww damn better go take mommy and daddys money to buy a new one and have a educated mechanic put it in for you so you can go around bragging about how you supposivly fixed it yourself when you didn't. Also talking down on 4 cylinders like they are **** which they are not its called displacement dude if your too much of a ****ing idiot to know that a 5.9,6.0,7.3 or whatever against something with 1.6 which is only about 99 ci and think its just slow because its foreign your a dumbass you like comparing apples to oranges. most racers like i mentioned before dont care if you have 1.6, 4.0, 5.0 or even 7.5 no one really cares most people build their cars because they like to try different things and try and make the most power as possible, not just hook up a superchip or a bullydog 5 step power booster and say wooohweee i can run with the big boys now even though i dont know **** i just put a little chip in here and push the throttle and damn i can run 12s yay but in reality since you havent proven or shown any kind of facts besides that your a ignoramous and you say your a fuggin ****** and u will eat my soot... well i doubt that for one seeing as i prob live thousands of miles away and i really dont care because i have better things to do with my life than worrying about racing some ****in diesel whether it be ford dodge or chevy diesels are no more superior to any other engine just like gas engines arent superior to anything else. so do go on and cus and bitch and moan and call names all you want but your just the one making yourself look like a moron and i think everyone from this forum would agree with what i just said

ok i started this thread like 2 weeks ago, and now it has become a monster, this is a MUSTANG forum and i originally started it to hear about peoples races with 'em not argue about which one is better. Therefore....[sm=closed.gif]

I own 3 Superdutys Never had a problem with any of them. EVEN the 2 6.0s!!

On a side note, I have a New Shelby Cobra GT 500 Ordered!!
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http://video.dieselplace.com/category/Drag+Racing/0/8232ef95-b664-48d1-8195-b7d857b2beb1.htm

http://video.dieselplace.com/category/Drag+Racing/0/3825c3b9-2417-45cb-8300-b78e36a8b4b6.htm

Here's a few diesel videos I found. I've got one, that when the lift kit comes off, it'll be running 12.8 [sm=shootshoot.gif]

You should have known that someone from our "duracrap" forums would find this, and we would swarm you. I HATE FORD!

ORIGINAL: nmerrill

If i head over to "the diesel place" and register an account will yall credit my life with the 10 or so minutes i just wasted reading this crap? Is there any original MF'rs still reading this? i


lol my head hurts and this is retarded..........oh yea and f anyone that doesn't like ford. we all drive american cars here can't we go over to a nissan forum and talk crap to them?

mods close thread!

im lost???
how does NISSAN have anything to do with a IZUSU designed motor in which GM own completly or the truck that they are in
someone(s) is not all there.....

ooo hearsay?!?!?!? if you going to bring bullet to a fight make sure you bring the gun as well..........got any proof????
i am not goin to go into an argument with out proof or something to back up my claims....
it shure would be embarasing to have you agurment fall out from underneath you......hince why you woukld like you mods to close it?!?!?!?!?

you can have you 12 sec car and single BJ
ill take my crew cab and my orges:D over a coupe any day and alot a times on sunday

we all know that the 7.3 both N/A and turboed was the best diesel ford but in the f series. cant be wrong with over 10 million sold wold wide the 6.0 are POS........ IIRC ford is the only company that recalled their diesel trucks cause of the POS engine in it

ORIGINAL: frdmstng1986GT


ORIGINAL: 92hatchLX


ORIGINAL: VigCS

IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.

There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.


Duramax is a turd!

+eleventy gabilliontrillion. duramaxs are junk.


Support for the claim? The 6.0L powerstroke really isn't the most reliable of them all. I've got a diesel tech in my family and he maintains a fleet of 100 trucks. He said of the 40 6.0L Powerstrokes they have, 29 are out of service. All of the durmaxs and cummins are in service. The fact of the matter is that the 6.0L is, honestly, not that great of a motor. He tells me, however, that the 7.3L powerstroke is a great diesel. He will support the duramax to the grave though, as will I. It's a quiet, reliable motor that makes one hell of a lot of power.

ORIGINAL: VigCS

ORIGINAL: frdmstng1986GT


ORIGINAL: 92hatchLX


ORIGINAL: VigCS

IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.

There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.


Duramax is a turd!

+eleventy gabilliontrillion. duramaxs are junk.


Support for the claim? The 6.0L powerstroke really isn't the most reliable of them all. I've got a diesel tech in my family and he maintains a fleet of 100 trucks. He said of the 40 6.0L Powerstrokes they have, 29 are out of service. All of the durmaxs and cummins are in service. The fact of the matter is that the 6.0L is, honestly, not that great of a motor. He tells me, however, that the 7.3L powerstroke is a great diesel. He will support the duramax to the grave though, as will I. It's a quiet, reliable motor that makes one hell of a lot of power.



now here is a guy that can look at the big piture
29 out of 40 down is 72.5%in-opperative or 27.5% avalabilty for that truck is BAD by any bussiness standad......
sound like they will be getting rid of the so-called "reliable" 6.0L powerstroke so the can cut their loses

LOL, have your "orges" in your truck you hillbilly. Then drive that hunk of junk back to school and learn these things:

Spelling/grammar/vocabulary ('em wurds y'all use to holler at one anuder)

This way people can understand what your (incredibly pointless) thoughts are. You can then say things like "don't bring a knife to a gunfight" and not ...."if you going to bring bullet to a fight make sure you bring the gun as well.........."

I could not care less about your damn truck so thanks for jumping in OUR (NOT YOURS, IN OTHER WORDS) forum and forcing your supergay brokeback mountain opinions/insults on us. oooooo, you big internet tough guys. Get a life you manchild. I know you retards watch NASCAR. What, do you just sit there and talk shyt about those cars for 3 hours while they drive counterclockwise? "I am going to look you up and drive out to your little country town and race you and your country blumpkin jerkoff buddies so you can prove how awesome your truck it." HOLY CRAP! YOU GUYS HAVE IT FIGURED OUT!


***********************ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!***************************

The ENTIRE racing community is stupid. We have been wasting our time for over 100 years. Turns out that the coolest way to go fast is in a 9000lb lifted pickup truck with a diesel engine and 38in tires. the IHRA, NASCAR, NHRA, SCCA, CART - EVERYONE just decided that weight and aerodynamics are useless. Its all about getting a big useless truck that smokes up your business. Surely people with complex's like this aren't compensating for anything else.......

One final thought......... throughout my years I have learned something: Desperate people have desperate motives. Just get your ass kicked by a mustang? Lady friend laugh at your little pecker? All your buddies quit hanging out with you? You don't have to share it buddy - its okay, we know :(

well apparrently you grammer suck just as much as mine does, cause you know what i was talking about...
and aparrently you did not get the saying......so who needs to go back to school????? do you need me to get some one to hold you hand as well??????

you would be a real idiot to bring a gun or bullets with out the other to a knife fight least i can through the knife and cause damage

obviously you didnt check my profile.....here i will help you out... it says OXNARD California size 200,000+ people. So i gues that would make me a hillbilly right???

we dont whine when our trucks get beat by a pony car but when your pony car gets beat by a 8000 pound truck is deffanentlyt embarassing. yeah it is also embarasing to get beat at the track by a low 12sec daily driver when you tow your 12-13sec car to the track and all i did was change my tires to slicks

ooo nascar pop quiz what type of engine did they ban in '56???????????
ooo that is right it was a turbo charged diesel banned because it was TOO FAST!!!
who just one the 24 lemans???? audi's twin turbo diesel by 10 plus laps!!!!!!!
it funny 4k well spent can get a musturd or camaro/firebird in the solidly 12s. common stock gt/z28 runn high 13's
4k gets me a well built tranny. i another 2k and im running 13s
BTW i have ****ed more than one girl at the same time in/on my truck and for the record NOT one of them were anywere remotely related. that piticular instance they were mustang owners that i had smoked

ORIGINAL: malibu795

well apparrently you grammer suck just as much as mine does, cause you know what i was talking about...
and aparrently you did not get the saying......so who needs to go back to school????? do you need me to get some one to hold you hand as well??????

you would be a real idiot to bring a gun or bullets with out the other to a knife fight least i can through the knife and cause damage

obviously you didnt check my profile.....here i will help you out... it says OXNARD California size 200,000+ people. So i gues that would make me a hillbilly right???

we dont whine when our trucks get beat by a pony car but when your pony car gets beat by a 8000 pound truck is deffanentlyt embarassing. yeah it is also embarasing to get beat at the track by a low 12sec daily driver when you tow your 12-13sec car to the track and all i did was change my tires to slicks

ooo nascar pop quiz what type of engine did they ban in '56???????????
ooo that is right it was a turbo charged diesel banned because it was TOO FAST!!!
who just one the 24 lemans???? audi's twin turbo diesel by 10 plus laps!!!!!!!
it funny 4k well spent can get a musturd or camaro/firebird in the solidly 12s. common stock gt/z28 runn high 13's
4k gets me a well built tranny. i another 2k and im running 13s
BTW i have ****ed more than one girl at the same time in/on my truck and for the record NOT one of them were anywere remotely related. that piticular instance they were mustang owners that i had smoked


you have got to be kiddng me right? for 4 k i can run solidly into the 11's on a stock motor.;).. you guys should know this being diesel guys.. c'mon... turbo kits. hell some guys on here run 11's with less then 4k spent... but.. give me 6k, and 10's is a deffanitly reachable goal if you get the right parts.

ORIGINAL: malibu795

well apparrently you grammer suck just as much as mine does, cause you know what i was talking about...
and aparrently you did not get the saying......so who needs to go back to school????? do you need me to get some one to hold you hand as well??????

you would be a real idiot to bring a gun or bullets with out the other to a knife fight least i can through the knife and cause damage

obviously you didnt check my profile.....here i will help you out... it says OXNARD California size 200,000+ people. So i gues that would make me a hillbilly right???

we dont whine when our trucks get beat by a pony car but when your pony car gets beat by a 8000 pound truck is deffanentlyt embarassing. yeah it is also embarasing to get beat at the track by a low 12sec daily driver when you tow your 12-13sec car to the track and all i did was change my tires to slicks

ooo nascar pop quiz what type of engine did they ban in '56???????????
ooo that is right it was a turbo charged diesel banned because it was TOO FAST!!!
who just one the 24 lemans???? audi's twin turbo diesel by 10 plus laps!!!!!!!
it funny 4k well spent can get a musturd or camaro/firebird in the solidly 12s. common stock gt/z28 runn high 13's
4k gets me a well built tranny. i another 2k and im running 13s
BTW i have ****ed more than one girl at the same time in/on my truck and for the record NOT one of them were anywere remotely related. that piticular instance they were mustang owners that i had smoked

Then why do you suck?:D I crack myself up. Nascar also banned petty's big ass wing, does that make ricers with park benchs on the trunk lid fast.

like i said solidly in the 12's never said you couldnt get into the 11 with less than 4k. alot has to do with the builders know how in being able to get parts that complemnet each other and the driver being able to put the power to the ground

i have 3k in my malibu wagon and i runn low 12's on street tires on motor i sure with slicks it would put my mid 11's

PLEASE CLOSE THIS! ITS SO STUPID! WHAT HAVE I DONE, ADMIN CLOSE THIS PLESE I AM BEGGING YOU!

wow you are a youngin 10/14/1986 public info hmmm just turned 20 let me gues you are still liven at home too???
got back and scheck out that super bird that engine made more pwoer than anyone elses at the time that is why it was banned a big wing will slow a car. and the faster it goes it sucks more power.
and were are you trying to go with this???? certainly show your lack of experience

ORIGINAL: 86/02stang

Then why do you suck?:D I crack myself up. Nascar also banned petty's big ass wing, does that make ricers with park benchs on the trunk lid fast.

So the aerodynamics that planted the rear tires to hold the superbird into the corners are completely useless. Petty must have wanted it on there for looks. By the way you have a few typos. Slow down and take a breath and type at the speed that matchs your abilities. What does my age have to do with anything? Experience in what? Being in a pissing match. I could go all day.

Would you hurry up and piss back. I ain't got all day. I have stuff to do.

ORIGINAL: malibu795

im lost???
how does NISSAN have anything to do with a IZUSU designed motor in which GM own completly or the truck that they are in
someone(s) is not all there.....

ooo hearsay?!?!?!? if you going to bring bullet to a fight make sure you bring the gun as well..........got any proof????
i am not goin to go into an argument with out proof or something to back up my claims....
it shure would be embarasing to have you agurment fall out from underneath you......hince why you woukld like you mods to close it?!?!?!?!?

you can have you 12 sec car and single BJ
ill take my crew cab and my orges:D over a coupe any day and alot a times on sunday

we all know that the 7.3 both N/A and turboed was the best diesel ford but in the f series. cant be wrong with over 10 million sold wold wide the 6.0 are POS........ IIRC ford is the only company that recalled their diesel trucks cause of the POS engine in it



Yeah you are lost retard. I never said Isuzu had ANYTHING to do with Nissan. Read my post. What I said was the owners of your forum were paid by Nissan to help them do market research. For what? To help them bring a diesel truck to market. So all you GM boys that filled out the survey helped Nissan, yes nissan, you know the competition? Need proof ask around over there, not everyone has their head in the sand like you. I know the owners here have morals and wouldn't help nissan make the new Z or something. That's just wrong.

PS Please take the time you spend here showing how retarded you are and learn to spell. You could at least get the name of the company that designed the engine in your truck right. Get a life kid.

Its still open, and I think PSD is the most unreliable of the 3. I eat mustangs all day long, however, I have a little more than a chip.

I love this stuff. It reminds me of grade school!

oops my bad it is ISUZU instead of IZUSU

i asked what does nissan have to do with isuzu not the other way around. the only competion the duramax has is the cummins and distant thrid the 6.0L powerstoke

that is funny why nissan would need help they have their own medium diesel market to pull from. they have been going strong for the last several decades just you never really see them inside north america cause international, kw, freightliner, mack, ford and gm have the medium duty market locked down.
off topic
last time i check the titan looked more like a ford f-150
the tundra doesnt look like a ford as much as the titan does but still have the stilling cues of the f-150
and the both have dohc v-8
hmm what brand runs DOHC V-8???? it sure aint gm or dodge
so back on topic
why is the duramax a turd??? please do tell me


i was never any good at english

hey what about me? no comment?:)

You guys said that you rarely see a dmax below the 14s. Well check this one out that is running 10s

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/member.php?u=16853

I would race any one of you guys for $100 in orange county when my lift kit comes off, hope you have fun CLEANING THE SMOKE FOR THE APHOSTRY!

And here's mine

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/member.php?u=44313

ORIGINAL: 86/02stang

So the aerodynamics that planted the rear tires to hold the superbird into the corners are completely useless. Petty must have wanted it on there for looks. you obviously dont know a whole lot about aerodynamics and hp required to moved the vehicle through the air.
What does my age have to do with anything?
Experience in what?those two question are easily answered by the typer. if he can then i might nice, hold his hand and spell it out for him

ooo yeah back on topic for you as well
you can also try and tell me why the duramax sucks

The air the wing is cutting at over 180 miles and hour is causing pressure to build and force the rear wheels to the ground. What don't you understand. And fighting if your truck is faster than my car or that chevy is better than the others OVER THE INTERNET is a pissing match. Please hold my hand and tell me why my age matters.

ORIGINAL: malibu795

ORIGINAL: 86/02stang

So the aerodynamics that planted the rear tires to hold the superbird into the corners are completely useless. Petty must have wanted it on there for looks. you obviously dont know a whole lot about aerodynamics and hp required to moved the vehicle through the air.
What does my age have to do with anything?
Experience in what?those two question are easily answered by the typer. if he can then i might nice, hold his hand and spell it out for him

ooo yeah back on topic for you as well
you can also try and tell me why the duramax sucks




If power is everything then why don't use big blocks? The look up how a wing produces lift