that's funny, a turd hmmmmm. Duramax is going above and beyond what most people ever expected, if they are turds, they sure as heck are fast.
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IMO, as far as diesels at least, the Duramax and Cummins are the way to go. I've heard bad things about the 6.0 liter powerstroke (blown head gaskets and such). I hear the 7.3 is good though.
There were some dodge duallies at the track recently running 12s all day.
Um, Not to start a war or anything but Powerstroke is anything but reliable at this point. Why do you think the 6.0 only ran from 03-07 model years. Buying one is a crap shoot. Ford has suffered a lot a loss due to buybacks. It was a motor that was rushed to the market and when has problems, dealer techs are left scratching their heads. Something like 33% sold have major issues. BTW, has anyone ever tried even sticking your hand under the hood. At least a person can wrench on a cummins themself at home.
BTW thats all bs, the first couple years they were having problems with the fuel system, they have all been sorted out. Ford is going to a 6.4 diesel next year (STILL THE POWERSTROKE NITWIT!) partially because of the new fuel regs (ULTRA LOW SULFUR) and dodge is going up to a 6.7L. The dodge is only gaining like 50 ft lbs and 30 horse while the powerstroke is giong up to like 800 ft lbs and somewhere around 350 horsepower.
Now 350HP and 800ft lbs would be nice, but it's actually 350HP/650TQ for the 2008 6.4L Power Stroke.
And for anyone that says Chevy's suck, I beg to differ. I own a 7.3L myself, but Chevy's pack the most punch mod for mod. For the 2008 MY vehicles, it could be another story, but we'll see with all this emission crap. Till then, Chevy is pretty much running things.
Ford just bought part of cummins, but dodge re-upped on the 5.9, so you wont see a 5.9 in a ford anytime soon. Theres a few companies that own cummins i believe.
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My father owns a 2001 F350 with the 7.3L and I will personally swear by it. The 6.0L powerstrokes are crap but the 7.3 are champ. The cummins is also a great motor. Either one belongs in a truck. I personally don't like the dodge trucks though. The amount of torque these diesels put out is nothing short of incredible. Makes me jealous.
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the 7.3 was a great engine. my friend is a ford dealer tech and he never sees the 7.3's. He replaced a turbo on a 6.0 at least once a week. They make more power but are not nearly as durable.
your all talkin about bashing on ford, ford doesnt make the powerstroke, international makes it. dodge obviously doesnt make the cummins and the duramax was already stated. but yea they all are about the same, personally i would pick the duramax or cummins cause there isnt as much noise from the engine, more noise from the exhaust. most powerstrokes are noisy and sound like crap. the new ones are better though ill agree with that.
you are ass backwards with your statement if you knew anything about the diesels the cummins makes way more noise all around than either duramax or powerstroke ask anyone. But thats a exception to the newest ones which they managed to quiet down alittle bit better by running a cat and what not
OK whoever said Ford owns Cummins...that is entirely wrong. Ford USED to own a small percentage of Cummins, but sold all their shares. Ford is no longer in anyway a part of Cummins. Also- all of the modern diesels are excellent- sure each has its problems, but all have their high points. In my opinion, the Cummins is by FAR the best overall motor- most reliable (I6- therefore less moving parts, built WAY beefier) just look at a comparison between the connecting rods. The 7.3s are very very reliable also, but in my opinion they are turds from hell unless you mod them. The Dmaxes are good trucks, but they have aluminum heads, which is a bad idea when you start pumping massive fuel and air into them. 6.0s had their problems early one, but they are mostly smoothed out. The rumors about the 6.0 being a 'bandaid' for Ford to get a new motor out to get them by until the 6.4L are true, but the 6.0 is an awesome sounding and running motor if you ask me- I have seen many 6.0s whoop on duramaxes and cummins...and vice versa. Dodges win the most truck pulls by far- trust me I go to about 20 a year. Whoever said the truck was 8500lb...that's pretty far off unless it had tractor weights hangin off the front. Most diesels, inlcuding duallies, are easily under the 8K mark (that's why the diesel classes are all 8,000lb at truck pulls). Also, I OWN a 1994 Ford 7.3L IDI turbo (mechanical motor like the old 7.3s but with beefier connecting rods, pistons, valves) and mine was only rated at 190HP and 395lb-ft of torque and I have turned mine up to about 250HP and 525lb-ft and it will outpull any STOCK newer diesel- regardless of brand. In my opinion the only saving grace of the newer diesels are chips/tuners, and fuel plates for 12V cummins. My friend has a '99 7.3L powerstroke- bone stock. I was working on my truck so we used his to haul my brother's pulling truck (2WD stock class gas) to the pulls, and that thing was dying trying to get up to speed. On the same note, my motor is old and outdated, and will get smoked by any newer diesel that's modded just slightly. But, I'll keep my 'ol girl for as long as I live because it is by FAR the most reliable and cheapest and easiest to work on diesel. Injectors for my motor are $34/ea, while an average price of new diesels is $200/ea. My motor only needs the standard 3 wires to run like the old carbuerated motors, instead of a whole nightmare of electrical systems to operate. Sorry for the long post, but to sum it up, each diesel truck can be modded to be made fast...it just depends on your personal preference. Yes, I'm biased towards the dodges because they put dana 70s and 80s in their trucks and 60s in the fronts, which is by far better than chevy (independant front suspension) and ford (10.25" or 10.5" rears). Would I ever buy a dodge? Hell NO- other than the motors they are mostly garbage.
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Oh, and I almost forgot. The Chevy selling point is also the Allison 5-speed automatic transmission. Chevy has always had good autos, but they contracted Allison to build their 1000 series trannies for their trucks, and they are awesome like everyone says, but they have their downside as well. To rebuild one you better have a HUGE chunk of change- I'm talking average STOCK rebuild is $3800 at most shops. Also, it's a good thing, and can be a bad thing, but the trans will sense being overpowered and defuel the duramax, which can be good for preventing damage to the tranny, but sucks if you're intentionally trying to get the most power out of it possible. I know the first series of duramaxes, when chipped and being romped on hard would cause the transmission to completely defuel the motor (as in protective shut down)...I know a guy who lost a turbo because he was doin a burnoff and redlining, then his truck shut off, which is a bad deal when the turbo is still spinning extremely fast and all of a sudden the oil pressure is gone because the motor is no longer running... But I believe they fixed that problem with Chevys ASAP.
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OK whoever said Ford owns Cummins...that is entirely wrong. Ford USED to own a small percentage of Cummins, but sold all their shares. Ford is no longer in anyway a part of Cummins. Also- all of the modern diesels are excellent- sure each has its problems, but all have their high points. In my opinion, the Cummins is by FAR the best overall motor- most reliable (I6- therefore less moving parts, built WAY beefier) just look at a comparison between the connecting rods. The 7.3s are very very reliable also, but in my opinion they are turds from hell unless you mod them. The Dmaxes are good trucks, but they have aluminum heads, which is a bad idea when you start pumping massive fuel and air into them. 6.0s had their problems early one, but they are mostly smoothed out. The rumors about the 6.0 being a 'bandaid' for Ford to get a new motor out to get them by until the 6.4L are true, but the 6.0 is an awesome sounding and running motor if you ask me- I have seen many 6.0s whoop on duramaxes and cummins...and vice versa. Dodges win the most truck pulls by far- trust me I go to about 20 a year. Whoever said the truck was 8500lb...that's pretty far off unless it had tractor weights hangin off the front. Most diesels, inlcuding duallies, are easily under the 8K mark (that's why the diesel classes are all 8,000lb at truck pulls). Also, I OWN a 1994 Ford 7.3L IDI turbo (mechanical motor like the old 7.3s but with beefier connecting rods, pistons, valves) and mine was only rated at 190HP and 395lb-ft of torque and I have turned mine up to about 250HP and 525lb-ft and it will outpull any STOCK newer diesel- regardless of brand. In my opinion the only saving grace of the newer diesels are chips/tuners, and fuel plates for 12V cummins. My friend has a '99 7.3L powerstroke- bone stock. I was working on my truck so we used his to haul my brother's pulling truck (2WD stock class gas) to the pulls, and that thing was dying trying to get up to speed. On the same note, my motor is old and outdated, and will get smoked by any newer diesel that's modded just slightly. But, I'll keep my 'ol girl for as long as I live because it is by FAR the most reliable and cheapest and easiest to work on diesel. Injectors for my motor are $34/ea, while an average price of new diesels is $200/ea. My motor only needs the standard 3 wires to run like the old carbuerated motors, instead of a whole nightmare of electrical systems to operate. Sorry for the long post, but to sum it up, each diesel truck can be modded to be made fast...it just depends on your personal preference. Yes, I'm biased towards the dodges because they put dana 70s and 80s in their trucks and 60s in the fronts, which is by far better than chevy (independant front suspension) and ford (10.25" or 10.5" rears). Would I ever buy a dodge? Hell NO- other than the motors they are mostly garbage.
I was always told that the sterling rear ends were damn near indestructable... and ford uses dana kingpin style 60's in the front too dont they?
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Would I ever buy a dodge? Hell NO- other than the motors they are mostly garbage.
this is so true my brothers dodge broke down all the time not due to the engine but other things. We used to have a 95 f 350 with the 7.3 powerstroke that had more power then we ever needed. Then we got a 05 f 250 with the 6.0 powerstroke and we never had any problems. It ran strong and had mad torque. I never understood the whole thing be hind them being a terible engine. It got to 50000 miles before it was totaled. Now we have a 07 2500 silverado with the duramax and to me it dosnt feel like it has as much power as the others. The ride on it is incredably bouncey. And it shouldnt even be classified as a truck because of how low it sits.
Nope- the older sterling axles have a terrible problem with breaking axleshafts soley because of the design of the wheel bearings- they can become oil starved and seize up, which snaps the axle off if you're moving with any ooomph. I used to think they were strong, too because they're pretty big (GM 14-bolts are 10.5" ring gear, and very strong), until I saw the first ones at truck pulls and at a buddie's house muddin' by the river. They are random- some will hold up (mine's runnin strong at 300,xxx miles) and some will break with relative ease. Lots of ford guys with the 10.25 will swap to either a 14-bolt or an Eaton out of older GMs (we're talkin late 60s, early 70s). The reason 14-bolts are so much stronger is they have an extra pinion bearing that helps keep them straight under load. Don't get me wrong I've seen 14-bolts, eatons, Dana 70s, AND Dana 80s break when hooked up to a sled- but at a far lower rate than 10.25/10.5". My brother's truck twisted his 14 bolt right out of his truck, and it didnt break. Basically it twisted his driveshaft like a twizzler and broke his spring perches off, but he welded them back on and it was still good. Oh, and yes and no about the kingpin Dana 60s in Fords. 70's model fords equipped with 60s had kingpins...79-87? were equipped with balljoints....87-90 were kingpins...90+ are balljoints. I swapped my Dana 50 twin traction beam crap they call an axle out for a 90s 60 with balljoints...for what I use my truck for I'll never break it.
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Yeah I definitely would love to own a '96 or '97 powerstroke...I LOVE that body style (that's why I like my '94). Plus, I like that generation of powerstroke. Electronic so you can modd them, almost simple enough to not go crazy trying to work on. Not near as much power as the newer diesels, but I wouldn't want more than a single chip and injectors would do anyway.
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that's funny, a turd hmmmmm. Duramax is going above and beyond what most people ever expected, if they are turds, they sure as heck are fast. 
) and ford (10.25" or 10.5" rears
But I believe they fixed that problem with Chevys ASAP.
