this a quote that i agree with Ford is famous for sitting back while GM seeks and tests new technology then they jump on board after all is proven safe. Then marketing takes over and starts with the BOLD moves claim. An example would be the HPCR fuel system, rapid heat system(coolant through EGR cooler), grade breaking, tow/haul programming and anything else they could steal off of someone elses R&D. Then they advertise to the majority unknowing public as if Ford pioneered the idea and is leading the industry. I think GM is truely the BOLD manufacturer with Ford being no more than a follower.
now who rushed who for the 6.0 and now the 6.4 international doesnt what to go into production that is supost to meet teir 3(?) emission. i dog ford for not being proactive enough to give internaitonal the time to get a well built diesel engine out for you and know you are paying for it. now you have dealers looking for bs reason to not honor warranty on these trucks.
gm started testing and r&d in the mid 90's with the duramax. then when gm introduce the duramax in 2000 low and behold ford has a common rail diesl after 2-3 years and has to recall most of them. and still has proble with them eating turbo and head gaskets IMO it is quikly gettting a the same wrap as the 6.2/6.5td diesel GM put out in the 80's and 90's as for money invested/wraped up in the vehicle i know a couple people are pushing the 100k including the cost of the truck and they are dayly drivers with 600+rwhp
^^^Makes since to me. Ya'll have a grand job of proving that point.
you have yet brought forth and legit reason why the trucks are bad neither one of you have any clue to what is wrong with the duramax if there was/is anything. i do wish my truck came with a factor solid fornt axle yes i do!!! but my truck will last me another 20 year with minimal maintance cost!!
i take pride in saying that i own a vehicle that and whose brand has the longest lasting veicles on the road since 1980. that is based of vehicle regestration
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A truck is made to haul stuff. The ford superduty is known for being the best at towing, the cummins is best known for hauling the payload in the bed. The chevy can last a long time on the road. Why not just buy a honda for that?
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The ford superduty is known for being the best at towing, the cummins is best known for hauling the payload in the bed. The chevy can last a long time on the road.
this off the manufacturs web site??? define best at?
Well this is the first itme i've read through this thread, becuase it said deisel and i had no interest, but i was bored and took a gander......but why in the world is this thread still going ???? It is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay OT, and has nothing to do with 5.0's.....Where are the mods to lock this or delete this thread ? It is pointless......People are here to learn about mustangs, and 5.0's in this particular section. This has nothing to do with either.
Mods ? This is takin up space on your server, you should prolly delete this thread.
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anyone ever see that SNL episode where will ferrel is playing alex trebec on jeopardy, and after "sean connery" makes some long stupid production of something ferrel closes with "we are all dumber for hearing this"??
Ok, now for some information. I have been observing, putting in a bit here and there, mostly things to get on the nerves of people. SORRY. Well, anyway, you should not consider everyone driving a truck to be a hillbilly. I just happen to be a mechanical engineer. Am I a redneck?, yes! Do I watch nascar?, yes! Do any of these things make me a more uneducated person?, NO! Are some people from our website thick headed?, sure they are, they just believe in their trucks. Our website is also for information, but also fun. If you guys were not having some sort of fun, you would simply ignore this thread, that is why it is still going! The fact that someone would classify said group of people as idiots just because they drove a certain vehicle is absurd! IT IS MORE impressive to see a 11 second dmax than a 11 second pony. Why you ask? Because for every 100 pony cars there is 1 duramax. I love all types of performance, gas, diesel, etc. Diesels also do not suck, as previously stated by some incredibly intelligent teenager, they simply derive more power per gram of fuel than does a gas engine. They ARE superior, and here is why. Diesel fuel is more energy efficient than gas, more heat per gram of fuel, this means they make more power, and use less fuel to make that power. As far as not being able to pick up chicks in a truck, HA! I have actually had girls get out of cars to ride with me in my truck. CHICKS LOVE BIG TRUCKS! Maybe this fact is why some of you are making 100's of replies to this thread because you dont understand women, or have no experience in that field, dont feel bad, its not your fault. Girls dont like some snot nosed brat that takes daddy's car out for a joy ride. Per the wing argument, malibu is right. An aerodynamic foil causes air resistance, thus causing the car to encounter aerodynamic drag, slowing the vehicle, but at the same time keeping it on the ground. Ok, your both right, wow. Good job. Anyway, I thought I would post my feelings, mustangs are great cars, affordable, fast, good looking. Nothing more american! BUT, diesel trucks are also very american, big, fast, smokey! Duramax's are NOT foreign. They DMAX corporation is a JOINT-VENTURE between GM and IZUZU, they are manufactured in Moraine Ohio. Also, IZUZU has made, and continues to make MORE diesel engines that any other company. They are #1! Obviously they know their stuff. Enough bashing the DMAX, it is a very good engine. Also, they improper grammar. Well where do we start, I dont know who is more un-intelligent, the person who cant communicate, or the person who mocks the guy who cant type. Who cares, malibu doesnt proof read his posts, so what!?!?!? This is a performance forum, not a english teachers symposium. In closing, I like this place, this thread has gone waaaaaaay off point, and people on here judge waaay too quickly. Lots of mis-information added to stupid pride equals ignorance. That seems to be the prevailing theme here, ignorance. No one thinks they could ever be wrong, well let me tell you something, THE MORE YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU KNOW YOU DONT KNOW! Translation, the less you know the more ignorant you are, the more you know, the more you see the ignorance of others, dont be fooled by idiots, make decisions for yourselves. And when you learn something about diesels, or anything for that matter, then, AND ONLY THEN, will others take you input and opinions seriously. Thanks, have a great day!
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The ford superduty is known for being the best at towing, the cummins is best known for hauling the payload in the bed. The chevy can last a long time on the road.
this off the manufacturs web site??? define best at?
If you were strap a 12,000 pound trailor to a 7.3L ford a 5.9 cummins and a duramax, the ford would pull ahead and get up to speed on any type of gradient. A trailor will settle behind a ford much better than it would for the other two. The cummins is best for raw low end torque. If we were to strap a ton and a half of rock into the bed of each of these trucks, the dodge would pull ahead and get up to speed faster than the other two. If we were to stap each to a stump to pull out of the ground the dodge would get it done first. The duramax cannot do anything "better" than either of these trucks other than say it will last longer, which is questionable at best, and is quieter. If that is what a person is looking for, I repeat, buy a honda.
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so the fact that the duramax has not only more horse power (360) Powerstroke-325, cummins - 325, and the most torque (650 ft lbs.) powerstroke 570, cummins 610, has nothing to do why they can pull better? Duramax also has 85% of torque off idle at 1200 rpm, (550 ft. lbs. @ 1200 rpm) and it holds that until 2100 where it climbs to 650 then doesnt drop under 600 lb ft until 3100 rpm?!?!?!?!? Hmmmmmmmm numbers dont lie, get your facts straight, looks like you are spouting.
ORIGINAL: 86/02stang Do you think I don't have the experience to chat toe to toe with you. I think you have proven yourself wrong there.
on a side note..... my experience has lead me to believe that people like too talk and strut around and when the time for them to get going they quit, duck and or dodge the responsibility rather then own up and do it. talk to talk is one thing talking and knowing what you are talking about is another.
from what most people would say my commincating skills are not the best, but are cetrianly not the worst. for me, i know why the 6.0L powerstroke is a POS. i also know the down falls of the Duramax and Allison trannies and they are far less than the 6.0L Powerstroke
I know of no failures of the allison transimission on a stock truck, that is just bs, because in my experience, ford makes the worst transmissions.
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so the fact that the duramax has not only more horse power (360) Powerstroke-325, cummins - 325, and the most torque (650 ft lbs.) powerstroke 570, cummins 610, has nothing to do why they can pull better? Duramax also has 85% of torque off idle at 1200 rpm, (550 ft. lbs. @ 1200 rpm) and it holds that until 2100 where it climbs to 650 then doesnt drop under 600 lb ft until 3100 rpm?!?!?!?!? Hmmmmmmmm numbers dont lie, get your facts straight, looks like you are spouting.
I guess the truck around the motor is no good. Never said the duramax was completely at fault. Just because I have a 600hp car doens't mean I am going to run a 10 second quater mile. Chevy makes an inferior truck compared to the other two. Make sure you get the complete facts. A motor isn't going up a hill by itself. Needs a truck to do it. Looks as if you may be spouting random numbers that equal nothing.
It has been shown time and agian that the chevy diesels are second to both the ford and the dodge. They do not do as well with truck duties.
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Stangyourdiesel is very right. Chicks do love big trucks! My husbands truck is one of the things that caught my eye when I met him. It looks VERY nice!
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anyone ever see that SNL episode where will ferrel is playing alex trebec on jeopardy, and after "sean connery" makes some long stupid production of something ferrel closes with "we are all dumber for hearing this"??
I agree completely. when I posted on the first page of the thread I would never have imagined it going this far.
this a quote that i agree with Ford is famous for sitting back while GM seeks and tests new technology then they jump on board after all is proven safe. Then marketing takes over and starts with the BOLD moves claim. An example would be the HPCR fuel system, rapid heat system(coolant through EGR cooler), grade breaking, tow/haul programming and anything else they could steal off of someone elses R&D. Then they advertise to the majority unknowing public as if Ford pioneered the idea and is leading the industry. I think GM is truely the BOLD manufacturer with Ford being no more than a follower.
now who rushed who for the 6.0 and now the 6.4 international doesnt what to go into production that is supost to meet teir 3(?) emission. i dog ford for not being proactive enough to give internaitonal the time to get a well built diesel engine out for you and know you are paying for it. now you have dealers looking for bs reason to not honor warranty on these trucks.
gm started testing and r&d in the mid 90's with the duramax. then when gm introduce the duramax in 2000 low and behold ford has a common rail diesl after 2-3 years and has to recall most of them. and still has proble with them eating turbo and head gaskets IMO it is quikly gettting a the same wrap as the 6.2/6.5td diesel GM put out in the 80's and 90's as for money invested/wraped up in the vehicle i know a couple people are pushing the 100k including the cost of the truck and they are dayly drivers with 600+rwhp
You and stangyourdiesel are just pathetic I think. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU WANT FROM US? If we admit that the Duramax is a good engine will you still have a point to make? NO. I don't hate you for what you drive. I hate what you drive BECAUSE OF YOU. You are worse than BMW owners, seriously. The only difference between your trucks and a porcupine is that the porcupine has its pricks on the OUTSIDE. The truck its built around is still a hunk of crap IMO. You obviously came into OUR forum and snooped around until you could find something to argue about. Your actions speak louder than ANY words we could possibly type so I don't want to hear any of your hypocritical BS about "boo hoo, I'm not a hillbilly because I drive a truck, I'm a mechanical engineer." OF COURSE YOU ARE! It is so obvious by not only the grammar of your comments but their content as well. Who would have known such well educated and civilized people would pull some 16 year old crap in another forum just to piss people off. Screw you AND the horse you road in on you arrogant pricks. All of the above text about how Ford shouldn't have pushed International, and so on. Keep shyt out of your mouth that you don't know anything about. When you get a job with a manufacturer and see how things are - come call me out. And don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house because nobody is here giving you a rash of shyt over the lovely GM diesels of the 80s. BOTH manufactuers are potentially doomed and from the looks of things to come - GM will be out before Ford. First to come, last to go. My best friends all work for Toyota, Chrysler and GM. Not to mention all the people I have met through Ford. Trust me , we talk. They all have problems but Toyota is not worried about GM in the slightest. What? The (soon to be) worlds largest manufacturer is not worried about #2? Hmm. I wonder why this is..... Its just a matter of time before they are bought (nissan was just first in line). Ford has had offers (and yes their shyt stinks alright) but at lest their primary shareholderrs haven't given up on them.
I am done having this ghay online pissing contest. I am guilty in my own right for contributing. I just have this little thing called pride. I can't rightfuly sit here on MY forum and watch a couple of OBVIOUSLY WELL EDUCATED INDIVIDUALS stir up a bunch of crap at our expense.
i bet you diesel dudes didnt know about your not so great allison trannies having the same exact torque converter as a turbo 400 tranny or did you ? they also have their fair share of problems as well. now you can piss and moan some more i really dont care but i know for a fact because ive seen them side to side that the torque converter is the same as a regular turbo 400 and the trannies really arent as good as many people like to brag about them. oh the ford manual trannies suck to fix because it takes about 4 guys to put the gears back into the case because of fitment issues there now i just pointed out 2 bad things about both trucks because the allison tranny is not as good as it appears and not to mention its about 4k for a stock rebuild so basicly it costs you 4k for a pretty much rebuild of a turbo 400 add some heavy duty clutches and what not.....
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