Charger handles 10 times better than a current generation Mustang with a Hemi that will smoke any Stang on the track.. WOW you must visit different tracks and use different math, maybe yet another "new" math perhaps. I have yet to see this almighty "Hemi" smoke any Mustang, on the street or at the track. Are they selling this monster to different states or something? Are the ones in the Chicago area minus a cyl or something, perhaps the driver doesn't know how to press his automatic to the floor or something... I've raced a few of these cars, while they weren't slow they sure weren't faster or scary or anything like that.
As for highlighting MERCEDES you can dress a turd in something pretty and it's still a turd, while the SRT8 isn't a turd, it sure as hell ain't all that and a bag of chips, my business partner HATES his Mercedes because it rattles and wasn't worth the 80k he paid for it and Mercedes reliability isn't something to brag about either... so go back to Charger.com or where ever you dug yourself up from and love your 6 popper from there since you lacked the balls to buy the real deal that you're sucking the tit of...
They have 340HP and we have 300HP stock....40 more than us and they still suck. Their heavier and they look ugly. A charger with 4 doors, not the way i would have made them....it's not a muscle car no matter what motor or name they put on that car.
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sounds like someone was seriously offended that I refudiated their "facts." I would love to see these time-slips for completely stock SRT8 chargers than run better than 13.02 by the way. And if you posted a time per say 13.02 stock for a mustang GT, no, I would not believe you by the way, so there your assumption is wrong. Nice shot trying to pick me apart with your assumptions but better luck next time, pal.
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guy with the charger....you ran a 13.02 stock MY ASS. I'd believe a 13.52 MAYBE. 13.02 on slicks an ideal conditions, even then doubtful
It's not a Charger, it's a Magnum and I'll pass on your ass, but thanks for the offer. Remember, our policy here is don't ask don't tell. The 13.02 is a great time no doubt, but to be fair I've seen other stock SRT8's do better. I own a Mustang GT, and that's why I'm here. I post information that is relevant, honest and factual, and try to be a positive member of the forum. Go check srt8forums.com, and go call all the guys over there liars too.
Funny, if I posted a strong time for my Mustang, I'll bet you wouldn't bat an eye. Typical internet fodder.
Good luck with your ass. sounds like the two of you have much in common.
When someone openly says "nice shot", it sures comes off as an indictment that someone got the better of them, but I digress.
Chargerforums.com, srt8forums.com, etc. has all the timeslips and vids to support my statements. I could care less what your "opinion" is, and my only "assumption" was that you had an informed opinion. However, when you openly state that you want to see time slips, it's obvious you are the one making assumptions and are not doing your due diligence by educating yourself before you open your mouth and essentially accuse me of lying. Do I take umbridge at being called a liar - you bet. Particularly when I consider I am a GT owner and come here with the intent to help and be helped fellow GT owners. What it all boils down to is you not earning any respect by qualifing your doubt or your opinion with anything other than your own uninformed assumptions.
The information and videos are at the link I provided for you. Sure the very low 13's and high 12's represent the very best times the SRT8 has been capable of, nevertheless, they exist. If you are interested, check out the website and see for yourself.
When it comes to the SRT8 line up, they are not a direct competitor for the GT's. They are large, 5 passenger performance sedans, wagons. A 5 series BMW is more of a direct competitor to the SRT8's than a Mustang GT. Based on that, any price comparisons, etc, is a waste of key strokes, because they are apples and oranges. The SRT8's are not trying to be musclecars, the Challenger has that base covered in spades. However, they do give D/C a performance image, and have been a sales success, so obviously the idea of a performance orientated sedan resonates with a significant demographic.
The fact a big roomy 5 passenger sedan can in stock form out accelerate and handle a GT is not anything to take offense at. The GT has it's own virtues. I would think as performance car enthusiasts it's something you would tip your hat to if anything.Owning an SRT8 sure beats tooling around in a minivan or SUV.
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Charger handles 10 times better than a current generation Mustang with a Hemi that will smoke any Stang on the track.. WOW you must visit different tracks and use different math, maybe yet another "new" math perhaps. I have yet to see this almighty "Hemi" smoke any Mustang, on the street or at the track. Are they selling this monster to different states or something? Are the ones in the Chicago area minus a cyl or something, perhaps the driver doesn't know how to press his automatic to the floor or something... I've raced a few of these cars, while they weren't slow they sure weren't faster or scary or anything like that.
As for highlighting MERCEDES you can dress a turd in something pretty and it's still a turd, while the SRT8 isn't a turd, it sure as hell ain't all that and a bag of chips, my business partner HATES his Mercedes because it rattles and wasn't worth the 80k he paid for it and Mercedes reliability isn't something to brag about either... so go back to Charger.com or where ever you dug yourself up from and love your 6 popper from there since you lacked the balls to buy the real deal that you're sucking the tit of...
You don't read all the posts, do you?
I read what I feel like reading and respond, if I miss a post I miss it, if I don't I don't yadda yadda yadda.
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sounds like someone was seriously offended that I refudiated their "facts." I would love to see these time-slips for completely stock SRT8 chargers than run better than 13.02 by the way. And if you posted a time per say 13.02 stock for a mustang GT, no, I would not believe you by the way, so there your assumption is wrong. Nice shot trying to pick me apart with your assumptions but better luck next time, pal.
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guy with the charger....you ran a 13.02 stock MY ASS. I'd believe a 13.52 MAYBE. 13.02 on slicks an ideal conditions, even then doubtful
It's not a Charger, it's a Magnum and I'll pass on your ass, but thanks for the offer. Remember, our policy here is don't ask don't tell. The 13.02 is a great time no doubt, but to be fair I've seen other stock SRT8's do better. I own a Mustang GT, and that's why I'm here. I post information that is relevant, honest and factual, and try to be a positive member of the forum. Go check srt8forums.com, and go call all the guys over there liars too.
Funny, if I posted a strong time for my Mustang, I'll bet you wouldn't bat an eye. Typical internet fodder.
Good luck with your ass. sounds like the two of you have much in common.
When someone openly says "nice shot", it sures comes off as an indictment that someone got the better of them, but I digress.
Chargerforums.com, srt8forums.com, etc. has all the timeslips and vids to support my statements. I could care less what your "opinion" is, and my only "assumption" was that you had an informed opinion. However, when you openly state that you want to see time slips, it's obvious you are the one making assumptions and are not doing your due diligence by educating yourself before you open your mouth and essentially accuse me of lying. Do I take umbridge at being called a liar - you bet. Particularly when I consider I am a GT owner and come here with the intent to help and be helped fellow GT owners. What it all boils down to is you not earning any respect by qualifing your doubt or your opinion with anything other than your own uninformed assumptions.
The information and videos are at the link I provided for you. Sure the very low 13's and high 12's represent the very best times the SRT8 has been capable of, nevertheless, they exist. If you are interested, check out the website and see for yourself.
When it comes to the SRT8 line up, they are not a direct competitor for the GT's. They are large, 5 passenger performance sedans, wagons. A 5 series BMW is more of a direct competitor to the SRT8's than a Mustang GT. Based on that, any price comparisons, etc, is a waste of key strokes, because they are apples and oranges. The SRT8's are not trying to be musclecars, the Challenger has that base covered in spades. However, they do give D/C a performance image, and have been a sales success, so obviously the idea of a performance orientated sedan resonates with a significant demographic.
The fact a big roomy 5 passenger sedan can in stock form out accelerate and handle a GT is not anything to take offense at. The GT has it's own virtues. I would think as performance car enthusiasts it's something you would tip your hat to if anything.Owning an SRT8 sure beats tooling around in a minivan or SUV.
I think part of the problem is the owners of those cars call them muscle cars, I agree with you, they should be directed to the 4 door performance sedan forums where other cars in their segment can be compared. One reason they are releasing the Challenger is to have a muscle car back in the line-up, I thinks it's great and I for one will be looking at them seriously when they come out.
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They have 340HP and we have 300HP stock....40 more than us and they still suck. Their heavier and they look ugly. A charger with 4 doors, not the way i would have made them....it's not a muscle car no matter what motor or name they put on that car.
Too bad Ford is seriously considering a 4door Mustang according to multiple recent reports. It would be a crime, agreed.
Whether or not the car has the wrong name, it's rear drive and a V8 and the top one is conservatively rated at 425hp and handles great.
Give the Mustang a 120" wheelbase and see how much it weighs then.....
Sorry to dredge up a 2 week dead thread, but I wanted to bring up some points.
First off there are some very worthwhile posts on this thread from BOTH sides. Anyone can argue anything behind a keyboard though, and both sides are guilty of that from time to time. I own an SRT8 Magnum and am in the market right now for a Mustang. I love the looks of the Mustang and more importantly the ability to tune and mod like crazy. But I recognize these cars are for completely different purposes.
I would never consider taking the Mustang on a long road trip with the SRT8 in the garage. The Mag would be far more comfortable, roomier, and the creature features even as simple as steering wheel controls for the stereo make it an easier haul. The seats are more supportive, the ride is smoother, and the road/wind noise is substantially less.
But the Mustang has it's uses as well, so I'm not knocking that. Fact is most Mustang owners have different expectations out of a car. They are usually (but not always) younger and don't feel the need for so many options... they just want power and torque. The Mustang does give that.
If I had my way, I'd own both side by side, but the wife says no. We have a two car garage and her baby isn't about to sit outside so I had to make a choice. Is my SRT8 quicker and faster? No doubt. I will be losing performance, braking power, and a seriously tuned suspension. I'll also be losing options that Ford doesn't offer in any of their cars short of Lincoln or Jaguar.
So why am I doing it? Because I want a "toy" and Dodge has one serious flaw... they lock down their proprietary programming and make it impossible to get a serious aftermarket tune. The one tuner that was about to come to market was squashed by DCX's attorneys with a cease and desist letter. Can you mod up some good power? Sure... there's a 300C SRT8 running in the 11's, but it cost a serious amount of money... there are no "cheap power" adders. I have raced pretty much every type of performance vehicle you can imagine and have lost exactly one race... to a Shelby GT500. Out of no less than 50 races I'd say that's pretty good for a 4600 pound stationwagon. And yes, that list included several Mustangs stock and slightly modded. Do I have a big head about it? Nope because there is ALWAYS someone faster no matter what you drive.
I know that with the Mustang I can chip it (or go custom tune) and add piece by piece some fairly inexpensive mods to surpass the power I have right now. Heads, pulleys, exhaust, and a few other goodies can rake in some serious power on the Mustang and I look forward to it. Will I miss my SRT8? Without a doubt. It is IMO the ultimate combination of power, finesse, and practicality. The closest vehicle I could find to match all of the performance and comfort was a $85,000 BMW M5, so the MSR of $43k on the Mag SRT8 isn't bad at all. Right now with incentives you can actually walk away with one fully loaded for about $34k which is not much more than a stock Mustang GT... so for right now anyway... there is hardly a comparison.
I look forward to getting my Mustang, I'm pretty excited. I'm also excited because I am on the pre-list for the 1st Challenger SRT8 in my state. Word is right now (no solid info yet) that it will come 525hp stock and that's a pretty good jumping off point. I can say with all honesty however that if DCX locks down their coding again then I might not pick it up when it arrives... afterall I'm buying it to be a street demon and if my hands are tied what fun is that going to be?
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Man. some posts up here!!!! Sometimes, you just have to face facts. If it's faster, it's faster. Don't #$@ on it. The mustang is a great car, not for everybody, but for the most of us it's . You know that a vette is also faster, but you don't complain about it. Just be happy that you can beat a lot of cars with little or no effort at all. enjoy the ride and if you're really in it for the kill, mod the living daylights out of it. Just respect each other, that's something that some people lack and it's a sad thing. and for now... mustang's
hmm, both cars have different purposes. the srt8 has power and comfort. the mustang is cheaper, better looking in my opinion, and is crazily easy to mod. anyway, id rather have the stang because i like the looks, and id rather spend the money i saved getting a stang, for performance upgrades. i dont need all the extra comforts or seats for 5. i like my rattles too, gives the car more personality haha. no doubt tho the srt8 beats us in a race (stock)
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If they would shorten the car 10 inches and call it something other then charger I think it would be much better. I still cringe every time i see one and how Dodge ruined the Charger name a second time, kinda like what chevy did with the warmed over 2 door v8 grand am er gto.
hay guys hate to rain on ur paraide but srt8 will **** your mustangs over..i got a 07 mustang gt and a chrysler 300c hemi 5.7 not srt8 and im not sure my stang can take it...i still gotta wait for my engine to break in to race em...srt8 will **** over mustang gt stock for stock dont matter on freeway or street..i love my stang but you cant mess with an srt8
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How did this comparo come up again? It got really ugly last time. Check out this link for the Fastest Accelerating Production cars and trucks built by any manufacturer in North America: http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm They made this list from magazine test runs on stock vehicles. Of course, these times can and do vary depending on the test conditions but both of the test results for the Dodge and Ford were conducted by Motor Trend. I found it interesting that the Charger SRT8 and the Mustang GT were so close. This list has them both running a 13.5 stock in the 1/4, but the Dodge is a little higher on the list since it was at 106.3 mph and the Stang was at 103.6. Looks like the Stang gets the jump on the Dodge due to the weight difference, but the Dodge starts catching up due to the superior HP. In any case it's comparing apples to oranges since a Stang like mine cost 29K and the SRT8s cost 35 to 45K. Even if the Dodge is faster, to be fair about it, allow a Stang guy to spend the the 6K on a KB supercharger and it would be no contest. So price wise for what you get...the Stang rules!
Very interesting link!
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hay guys hate to rain on ur paraide but srt8 will **** your mustangs over..i got a 07 mustang gt and a chrysler 300c hemi 5.7 not srt8 and im not sure my stang can take it...i still gotta wait for my engine to break in to race em...srt8 will **** over mustang gt stock for stock dont matter on freeway or street..i love my stang but you cant mess with an srt8
Now, I'll have to add an SRT-8 to my list.
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As far as the Charger vs. Mustang goes - both are good "bang for the buck" vehicles no doubt. Though it has a "muscle car" name, theres enough price and "style" differences that its unfair to compare them really. It will come down to personal needs as mentioned before. No family, like/want to mod, and price is a factor...the Stang is the obvious choice. If not, it gets a little harder to decide eh?
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What kills me is that all these dorks on the Chargerforums constantly post their kills like they are driving super performance drag cars or something. Seriously, they constantly brag how they can beat Mustangs and Cobras, GT500s, Ls1 Camaros and BMWs. It is hilarious. They are sedans not musle cars! I have recently run two more of these giant Mopars! Both were SRT8 models. Both drivers were badly beaten by my KB powered GT. Here is the real world truth: Mustangs are rarely stock, so all the comparison of stock for stock means little on the street. The SRT8s have no parts in the aftermarket so they always want to compare stock for stock. I will run any SRT8 anytime and I guarantee it will lose. I really dont care if I can't fit five people in my car. Muscle cars are not for driving the family around. Yes and my top goes down while I run low 11 seconds. You cant do that in a Charger!
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Hmm...i've raced a Charger SRT-8 Super Bee several times and the outcome was pretty much a tie. I had lower control arms and front swaybar delete at the time. My 60' was 2.0 so it's not like the LCAs were giving me some amazing grip due to my tires.
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