hugabone Date 11/18/2006 9:40:27 AM Why do people use price as a performance comparison?
I think what people are trying to say is for the $12,000, you can add a supercharger, suspension or tranny upgrades, etc and blow the charger away for the same price. I do agree that the charger had more luxury features, I'm just not a big fan of how it looks. That's just me though, to each his own.
lol they named it that after the 1970 dodge charger....lol trying to continue a legacy but they kinda aimed for the moon and landed in the ocean hahaha
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A few Points:
1. All SRT8's are auto 2. There for all stock SRT8's shift the same 3. There could then be no shifting variation between stock SRT8's 4. How in the hell could one get a 13.02 on a stock SRT8?????
All SRT-8's are Auto+Paddle shifter. Therefor you can choose when you want to shift
guy with the charger....you ran a 13.02 stock MY ASS. I'd believe a 13.52 MAYBE. 13.02 on slicks an ideal conditions, even then doubtful
It's not a Charger, it's a Magnum and I'll pass on your ass, but thanks for the offer. Remember, our policy here is don't ask don't tell. The 13.02 is a great time no doubt, but to be fair I've seen other stock SRT8's do better. I own a Mustang GT, and that's why I'm here. I post information that is relevant, honest and factual, and try to be a positive member of the forum. Go check srt8forums.com, and go call all the guys over there liars too.
Funny, if I posted a strong time for my Mustang, I'll bet you wouldn't bat an eye. Typical internet fodder.
Good luck with your ass. sounds like the two of you have much in common.
1. All SRT8's are auto 2. There for all stock SRT8's shift the same 3. There could then be no shifting variation between stock SRT8's 4. How in the hell could one get a 13.02 on a stock SRT8?????
Jeez guys honestly, you need to look around a bit more. Yes, the 13.02 was a great run, and here is how it was possible. Very good d/a, and a 1.92 60ft. and practice. I've only been racing for twenty years. Honestly, other guys have done better, but most are very low to mid 13 as an AVERAGE. I know some really poor runs too, and some have only been able to get high 13's. It really boils down to the track, weather, and driver. I see posts where owners are clicking off stock Mustang runs in the low 13's, and all anyone can say is good run, but have a better than AVERAGe run with another car on this forum, and right away the flag goes up.
Same goes for my now sold '05 GTO. Mine ran a best of 13.23, so the immediate conclusion would be the srt8 was faster right. Wrong, my 60 ft was slower, and the weather was not quite as favorable. I can say first hand that plenty of SRT8's and GTO's have squeaked into the 12's stock. Do we declare BS on every car that can produce a better than average run other than the Mustang?
If there is anything that 18 years as city fireman has taught me, it's that life is too short for this BS. If anyone wants to have an honest open discussion about my srt8, please feel welcome to pm me. Otherwise from now on, I'll ignore all the blatant misinformation regarding srt8's when I see it here.
Now, I am going bact to putting my just arived Mac axle back on the 'stang. A temptation that enen in my current state of pneumonia can't keep me from.
I've got plenty of wheel time in my dads Hemi Charger RT with Mopor intake, Magnaflow cat back. The looks might not be everybody's cup of tea (certainly not mine either) but the car feels extremely good on the street. I'd dare say under most conditions, the standard Charger feels much faster then its numbers suggest. With a stock GT of one even slightly modified, I'd be cautious running with one at certain speeds because even the standard 345 HP hemi puts those 4000 pounds into motion in a suprising and entertaining manner if the tranny kicks down at the right speed; very old school feel in the acceleration department but with Caddy-like luxury surroundings.
If the new Challenger is 400-500 pounds lighter then the Charger, even a base 345 Hemi car with either manual or stick will be a ticket right to 1970. I can only imagine what a 425 HP SRT version would feel like behind the wheel. We'd certainly need the Aluminum 5.4 or at the very least one of the 5.0L cammers to compete with this level of muscle.
I agree with you on both counts. The looks are fair, at best. To me, it looks like they smashed a muscle car with a Lincoln Towncar. (Which is what they did, I suppose.) The transmission is what REALLY impressed me. The Chargers use a Mercedes transmission and shift better than any I have seen.
As I said, not what I was looking for in a car. I wanted a pure, unashamed sports car, and that's what I got in my baby. I'll get creature comforts when I get old. =)
That being said: the Charger was VERY nice inside. So nice, my mother is thinking about trading her Lincoln Towncar for one.
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It's not a Charger, it's a Magnum and I'll pass on your ass, but thanks for the offer. Remember, our policy here is don't ask don't tell. The 13.02 is a great time no doubt, but to be fair I've seen other stock SRT8's do better. I own a Mustang GT, and that's why I'm here. I post information that is relevant, honest and factual, and try to be a positive member of the forum. Go check srt8forums.com, and go call all the guys over there liars too.
Funny, if I posted a strong time for my Mustang, I'll bet you wouldn't bat an eye. Typical internet fodder.
Good luck with your ass. sounds like the two of you have much in common.
Ahh, I KNEW we'd get someone in here to defend/argue about the Chargers.
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sounds like someone was seriously offended that I refudiated their "facts." I would love to see these time-slips for completely stock SRT8 chargers than run better than 13.02 by the way. And if you posted a time per say 13.02 stock for a mustang GT, no, I would not believe you by the way, so there your assumption is wrong. Nice shot trying to pick me apart with your assumptions but better luck next time, pal.
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guy with the charger....you ran a 13.02 stock MY ASS. I'd believe a 13.52 MAYBE. 13.02 on slicks an ideal conditions, even then doubtful
It's not a Charger, it's a Magnum and I'll pass on your ass, but thanks for the offer. Remember, our policy here is don't ask don't tell. The 13.02 is a great time no doubt, but to be fair I've seen other stock SRT8's do better. I own a Mustang GT, and that's why I'm here. I post information that is relevant, honest and factual, and try to be a positive member of the forum. Go check srt8forums.com, and go call all the guys over there liars too.
Funny, if I posted a strong time for my Mustang, I'll bet you wouldn't bat an eye. Typical internet fodder.
Good luck with your ass. sounds like the two of you have much in common.
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hugabone Date 11/18/2006 9:40:27 AM Why do people use price as a performance comparison?
I think what people are trying to say is for the $12,000, you can add a supercharger, suspension or tranny upgrades, etc and blow the charger away for the same price. I do agree that the charger had more luxury features, I'm just not a big fan of how it looks. That's just me though, to each his own.
- C
You will just have a GT will 12k in mods. You will just be faster. Granted I do like the Mustang, which is what I was going to get. I do not see too many Charger SRT8's and thats another reason why I got it. Dont forget we can put some mods on it too, granted nowhere near what you can do with the GT.
I was driving along the interstate going to Nashville and out of nowhere this black srt 8 hemi charger (loks like the 07 model on dodges websight), anyway i was going about 70 and he past me kinda fast so i thought "what the hell i will see if I can catch him) I caught him at around 100 miles an hour and he took off and tried to leave me, both lanes were open so i took the the right lane and punched it, I was really surprised that he didnt pull away from me, as a matter of fact i pulled on him. I wasnt looking at the speedo until i was ready to slow down and by then I was doing over 140. I don't knowmuch about the chargers but my impresion is THEY SUCK! for close to 40k loaded i expected to be blow away. Ironicly there was an 06 hemi charger at the local 1/8 mile track that same night (dodge oarnge and flatblack paint scheme) he ran a best of 9.20 in the 8th, by comparison most gto's at the track run 8.70-9.0 same as unmodded stangs there.
I won't challenge your opinion; however, I own an SRT8 and my '06 GT. My SRT8 has a governed top speed of about 172, has run a 13.02 STOCK, seats 5 in comfort, with all the ammenities, Brembo brakes, Goodyear F1's and cost ONLY 37k. Now, show me where any other car on the market can do all that for that price? - the only one that comes even close is a TBSS. Line up with him from a dig and he'll kill you every time. When people come over hear me tell them my station wagon will kill my handsome GT, they look at me like I have two heads, and of course that will change when I add my s/c.
Honestly, I know anything can happen on the street, but let's keep this in perspective. My GT and SRT8 are both stock, and the SRT8 is noticeably quicker, and has the times to back it up. Your encounter, accurate as it MAY be, is not indicative of the Mustang GT objectively being the faster car, because it simply isn't.
Granted my car is no longer stock so that something to do with it. My car cost 28795 out the door and let me add 9k in upgrades to equal your 37k price tag on the charger and it would be no challenge at all for my GT. I have 3k in parts on my GT now so my car realy cost 31795 and it will smoke any stock charger around and for still 5k less sticker. I don't dislike the looks of the charger except it doesn't look anywhere near what a charger looked liked. They should have given it a different name.
How did this comparo come up again? It got really ugly last time. Check out this link for the Fastest Accelerating Production cars and trucks built by any manufacturer in North America: http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm They made this list from magazine test runs on stock vehicles. Of course, these times can and do vary depending on the test conditions but both of the test results for the Dodge and Ford were conducted by Motor Trend. I found it interesting that the Charger SRT8 and the Mustang GT were so close. This list has them both running a 13.5 stock in the 1/4, but the Dodge is a little higher on the list since it was at 106.3 mph and the Stang was at 103.6. Looks like the Stang gets the jump on the Dodge due to the weight difference, but the Dodge starts catching up due to the superior HP. In any case it's comparing apples to oranges since a Stang like mine cost 29K and the SRT8s cost 35 to 45K. Even if the Dodge is faster, to be fair about it, allow a Stang guy to spend the the 6K on a KB supercharger and it would be no contest. So price wise for what you get...the Stang rules!
I don't think a friendly exchang should turn ugly. You make a good point about the GT and the SRT8 being apples and oranges, because they really are. However, I think you loose the point when you try to compare them by price. They are two entirely different cars serving different markets. The guy looking at SRT8's, most likesly isn't even thinking of Mustangs because let's face it, most srt8 guys have families, and good luck explaining to the wife how the Mustang is going to make a fine car for the family.
The counter to your point on let the Mustang owner spend the difference in cash between the two on mods is fine, but then again try to pack 5 people and a weekend's worth of luggage in the 'Stang, and that's exactly the mission for the srt8's.
Say what you like guys, I'm lucky to be able to afford both, and for a guy like me with children to account for. It's a great time when you can own a safe roomy family car that is an absolute blast to drive. Sure beats the my old Tahoe.
Moving on.
I am jealous, I wish i could have a charger as a sister car to my GT for just the trips with people and gear.
You will just have a GT will 12k in mods. You will just be faster. Granted I do like the Mustang, which is what I was going to get. I do not see too many Charger SRT8's and thats another reason why I got it. Don't forget we can put some mods on it too, granted nowhere near what you can do with the GT
I'm not trying to argue or go into "a Mustang will beat anything" kind of deal. Let me try a different perspective here. Let's say, brand new, your SRT8 Charger costs $37,000. My brand new Mustang GT costs $25,000. They're both brand new with a $12,000 difference. Now let's add $12,000 in mods, whether it be a supercharger, turbo, etc, to the Mustang. Now they both cost the same price. $37,000. That's what I was explaining when you asked why people are going for price comparisons for performance.
Basically, at the same price, the Mustang will always have more performance. Now not every Mustang had a supercharger or turbo of course, that was just an example. That was the only point I was trying to make, nothing more.
- C
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1. All SRT8's are auto 2. There for all stock SRT8's shift the same 3. There could then be no shifting variation between stock SRT8's 4. How in the hell could one get a 13.02 on a stock SRT8?????
Jeez guys honestly, you need to look around a bit more. Yes, the 13.02 was a great run, and here is how it was possible. Very good d/a, and a 1.92 60ft. and practice. I've only been racing for twenty years. Honestly, other guys have done better, but most are very low to mid 13 as an AVERAGE. I know some really poor runs too, and some have only been able to get high 13's. It really boils down to the track, weather, and driver. I see posts where owners are clicking off stock Mustang runs in the low 13's, and all anyone can say is good run, but have a better than AVERAGe run with another car on this forum, and right away the flag goes up.
Same goes for my now sold '05 GTO. Mine ran a best of 13.23, so the immediate conclusion would be the srt8 was faster right. Wrong, my 60 ft was slower, and the weather was not quite as favorable. I can say first hand that plenty of SRT8's and GTO's have squeaked into the 12's stock. Do we declare BS on every car that can produce a better than average run other than the Mustang?
If there is anything that 18 years as city fireman has taught me, it's that life is too short for this BS. If anyone wants to have an honest open discussion about my srt8, please feel welcome to pm me. Otherwise from now on, I'll ignore all the blatant misinformation regarding srt8's when I see it here.
Now, I am going bact to putting my just arived Mac axle back on the 'stang. A temptation that enen in my current state of pneumonia can't keep me from.
you all must have awesome track conditions there. The best my GT has spun down our ocal 8th mile track here is 8.7 at 88 miles an hour (mph could be wrong going fro memory). I have sen plenty of GTO's, Chargers (hemi's and r/t's) and alot of 05+ GT's and the best n/a car Ive seen ran mid 8's and my friends GTO at 8.45 I think is the best ever of any of these n/a cars. My friend has a 03 gt with 40k in engine work and suspension and he runs 6.60's in the 8th and there is a turbo 06 GT running mid 7's there but other then that mostly ricers embarressing themselves, a few decent srt4's and a few wrx's running high 8's. Now at bowling green Ive seen stock GTO's run 12.90's supposedly stock and I have managed a best of 13.49 at 106 miles an hour (my car weighs 3700 pounds with me in it)
You will just have a GT will 12k in mods. You will just be faster. Granted I do like the Mustang, which is what I was going to get. I do not see too many Charger SRT8's and thats another reason why I got it. Don't forget we can put some mods on it too, granted nowhere near what you can do with the GT
I'm not trying to argue or go into "a Mustang will beat anything" kind of deal. Let me try a different perspective here. Let's say, brand new, your SRT8 Charger costs $37,000. My brand new Mustang GT costs $25,000. They're both brand new with a $12,000 difference. Now let's add $12,000 in mods, whether it be a supercharger, turbo, etc, to the Mustang. Now they both cost the same price. $37,000. That's what I was explaining when you asked why people are going for price comparisons for performance.
Basically, at the same price, the Mustang will always have more performance. Now not every Mustang had a supercharger or turbo of course, that was just an example. That was the only point I was trying to make, nothing more.
- C
Your point was well made, I am just saying you are still comparing apples to oranges. The Mustang was always the best bang for the buck performance car, it had always been priced cheaper than the others in its class. Compare the car with others in its own price range and performances. I can take 100k and put it into my car and whip a 170k Lamborghini but I would have just a 40k Charger with a 100k in mods. Dont fotget, A SRT8 can be modded too. The GT can run with a C6 Corvette and with those mods you would run with the ZO6 C6 with 45k left in your pocket but the Vette is still the better car, is that a fair comparison? The Charger is not just a performance car, its an all around performance car. Hect, you would have to spend 5g's for your brakes to equal an SRT8, a supercharger to out perform it, thats close to the 12g's there. Now compare the GT to the Challenger.
guy with the charger....you ran a 13.02 stock MY ASS. I'd believe a 13.52 MAYBE. 13.02 on slicks an ideal conditions, even then doubtful
It's not a Charger, it's a Magnum and I'll pass on your ass, but thanks for the offer. Remember, our policy here is don't ask don't tell. The 13.02 is a great time no doubt, but to be fair I've seen other stock SRT8's do better. I own a Mustang GT, and that's why I'm here. I post information that is relevant, honest and factual, and try to be a positive member of the forum. Go check srt8forums.com, and go call all the guys over there liars too.
Funny, if I posted a strong time for my Mustang, I'll bet you wouldn't bat an eye. Typical internet fodder.
Good luck with your ass. sounds like the two of you have much in common.
No we don't have a don't ask dont tell policy, thats the army...
Here we have if you don't have proof your full of ****
A few things... I found this thread from a link someone on the chargerforums.com posted in the SRT8 section.
1) If you raced an orange with flat black car, it was NOT an SRT8. Before the SuperBee just came out, the only colors the SRT8 was available in was Red, Black, and Silver. I think a lot of people (not just mustang owners) think of the Daytona's as the SRT8.
2) There are 2 different HEMI engines in different models of the chargers. There is the 5.7L putting out 340 HP R/T and there is the 6.1L putting out 425 HP SRT8. That's a BIG difference. Not to mention the braking, suspension, etc is totally different.
3) A stock SRT8 WILL beat a stock '05 or newer Mustang GT in the 1/4 mile.
4) Yes, the SRT8 does cost a lot more to buy, but it is an entirely different car. BTW... whoever said they test drove one and the braking wasn't good, OBVIOUSLY didn't test drive an SRT8 because the braking in the SRT8 is racing quality. Stopping that heavy of a car from 60 to 0 in 110 feet is amazing!
5) A better comparison between the Mustang category and the Charger category would be.... Charger SXT vs. V6 stang.... Charger R/T vs. GT stang..... Charger SRT8 vs. Cobra/Rousch/Saleen/Shelby GT500.
6) The whole "my GT cost 12k less so if I put that money into my car it'd beat the SRT8" arguement is kind of dumb. I could say the exact same thing on the flipside in the thread I saw about the Shelby GT500 vs. the SRT8. I could blow the 6.1L HEMI with the 10k I'd save on a Charger SRT8 and kill a Shelby GT500. Again, they are entirely different cars and its really hard to compare them.
7) The reason I personally went with the Charger SRT8 over the Stang was merely because I am getting married and needed a "family car" (right :) ) and I wanted something that I could actually carry friends in comfortably and still beat most cars on the road!
8) To the guy who was calling BS on a previous poster's time of 13.02 in his SRT8, I've seen his timeslips(http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26127), and YES THERE CAN BE A DIFFERENCE IN 1/4 MILE TIMES IN AN AUTOMATIC CAR! I personally ran a half second different on two occasions merely because of driving conditions being different. Went one week and ran a 13.709 @ 105.83 and went a few weeks later and ran a 13.279 @ 107.54. Temperatures were about 15 degrees different and I allowed more time for the engine to cool between runs. There are quite a few things that can affect 1/4 mile times. I personally ran my 13.279 with a 60' time of 2.079. However, there have been several SRT8's down around 1.9 and even 1.85 on stock tires and being no more modified than CAI and Exhaust. It takes practice to launch the car in the most efficient way. If I got those kind of 60' times, I'd be down around 13 flat or even high 12's. All I have it intake and exhaust. So before you go calling BS on times, you should know more about the cars then what car magazines say about them.
Ok, I'm done now ;)
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I was driving along the interstate going to Nashville and out of nowhere this black srt 8 hemi charger (loks like the 07 model on dodges websight), anyway i was going about 70 and he past me kinda fast so i thought "what the hell i will see if I can catch him) I caught him at around 100 miles an hour and he took off and tried to leave me, both lanes were open so i took the the right lane and punched it, I was really surprised that he didnt pull away from me, as a matter of fact i pulled on him. I wasnt looking at the speedo until i was ready to slow down and by then I was doing over 140. I don't knowmuch about the chargers but my impresion is THEY SUCK! for close to 40k loaded i expected to be blow away. Ironicly there was an 06 hemi charger at the local 1/8 mile track that same night (dodge oarnge and flatblack paint scheme) he ran a best of 9.20 in the 8th, by comparison most gto's at the track run 8.70-9.0 same as unmodded stangs there.
I won't challenge your opinion; however, I own an SRT8 and my '06 GT. My SRT8 has a governed top speed of about 172, has run a 13.02 STOCK, seats 5 in comfort, with all the ammenities, Brembo brakes, Goodyear F1's and cost ONLY 37k. Now, show me where any other car on the market can do all that for that price? - the only one that comes even close is a TBSS. Line up with him from a dig and he'll kill you every time. When people come over hear me tell them my station wagon will kill my handsome GT, they look at me like I have two heads, and of course that will change when I add my s/c.
Honestly, I know anything can happen on the street, but let's keep this in perspective. My GT and SRT8 are both stock, and the SRT8 is noticeably quicker, and has the times to back it up. Your encounter, accurate as it MAY be, is not indicative of the Mustang GT objectively being the faster car, because it simply isn't.
Granted my car is no longer stock so that something to do with it. My car cost 28795 out the door and let me add 9k in upgrades to equal your 37k price tag on the charger and it would be no challenge at all for my GT. I have 3k in parts on my GT now so my car realy cost 31795 and it will smoke any stock charger around and for still 5k less sticker. I don't dislike the looks of the charger except it doesn't look anywhere near what a charger looked liked. They should have given it a different name.
So what??? if you make 60k a year then you buy a mustang, are you gonna pull off that bitching at someone who makes 200k a year and buys a 997 turbo and mods it? Run what you have, if you can afford more then good for you. Just dont go talking out of ur A$$ saying that a stock mustang gt will outrun a charger srt-8 when It clearly has an huge advantage on power to weight ratio.
sounds like someone was seriously offended that I refudiated their "facts." I would love to see these time-slips for completely stock SRT8 chargers than run better than 13.02 by the way. And if you posted a time per say 13.02 stock for a mustang GT, no, I would not believe you by the way, so there your assumption is wrong. Nice shot trying to pick me apart with your assumptions but better luck next time, pal.
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guy with the charger....you ran a 13.02 stock MY ASS. I'd believe a 13.52 MAYBE. 13.02 on slicks an ideal conditions, even then doubtful
It's not a Charger, it's a Magnum and I'll pass on your ass, but thanks for the offer. Remember, our policy here is don't ask don't tell. The 13.02 is a great time no doubt, but to be fair I've seen other stock SRT8's do better. I own a Mustang GT, and that's why I'm here. I post information that is relevant, honest and factual, and try to be a positive member of the forum. Go check srt8forums.com, and go call all the guys over there liars too.
Funny, if I posted a strong time for my Mustang, I'll bet you wouldn't bat an eye. Typical internet fodder.
Good luck with your ass. sounds like the two of you have much in common.
My job is not to do your homework for you. Plenty of videos exist on forums to prove my claim.
By the way, I never said I could get a 13.02 out of my Mustang. I said "if I posted a strong time". Please pay better attention to what you read, and syop extrapalting assumptions based on your biased, uninformed, and close-minded point of views regarding an srt8. Yes,m sure as a fellow Mustang owner and memeber of the forum, I do take offense to you accusing me of flat out lying. The fact that we both have at least our loyalties to the Mustang in common and are fellow mwmbers of a forum that is supposed to benefit the membership should garner some civility. However, I suppose when someone calls my character into question, it does get my Irish up. for that I apologize.
The old saying "don't shoot the meesenger" seems appropriate here.
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