Hey I was thinking, does anyone know anything about new heads and cams for our 4.0L? I heard Flapjack was doing this and I was wondering what anyone else knew about it...
I'm sure that it's worth it in the long run when and if you decide to go F/I with the car. But I do believe it would be a B!tch to install, probably have to have someone do it.
Yeah I hear you there. I intend on going F/I and was hoping to do it next year, probably around spring to mid-summer. I wanted to install the Supercharger myself because Powered by Ford wants about $1,000 JUST to install the damn thing. I could just imagine how expensive it would be for the to take the engine half apart to do the heads and cams... Would they have to lift the engine out of the car to do that??
Yeah I hear you there. I intend on going F/I and was hoping to do it next year, probably around spring to mid-summer. I wanted to install the Supercharger myself because Powered by Ford wants about $1,000 JUST to install the damn thing. I could just imagine how expensive it would be for the to take the engine half apart to do the heads and cams... Would they have to lift the engine out of the car to do that??
no need to lift the motor, the heads are on top ;). it will be pricey...probably just under 1k. if you ended up doing heads with a pro install you might as well go x-charger if you are worried about total cost with install. with heads and cams, the x-charger could be a MONSTER and you could do the install yourself or with a friend. think about it this way. say you make around 320-330rwhp with the x. youd be running consistant low 13's easy imo probably hitting 12's on street rubber and it would be a BEAST on the street with all the low end torque it makes. that's what i would do personally.
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no need to lift the motor, the heads are on top ;). it will be pricey...probably just under 1k. if you ended up doing heads with a pro install you might as well go x-charger if you are worried about total cost with install. with heads and cams, the x-charger could be a MONSTER and you could do the install yourself or with a friend. think about it this way. say you make around 320-330rwhp with the x. youd be running consistant low 13's easy imo probably hitting 12's on street rubber and it would be a BEAST on the street with all the low end torque it makes. that's what i would do personally.
You're talking about the install for the X-charger I could do myself right? I talked to you about that before. How hard do you think the cams and heads would be to install. My dad used to do all that stuff back in the day because he worked in a speed fabrication shop for years but he's scared to do it now becuase the new cars are newer and there's more technology and so on. Oh I noticed that you were 16... I'm 17 lol and I thought that was an interesting concept Now you know you're not the only youngin on the forums!
no need to lift the motor, the heads are on top ;). it will be pricey...probably just under 1k. if you ended up doing heads with a pro install you might as well go x-charger if you are worried about total cost with install. with heads and cams, the x-charger could be a MONSTER and you could do the install yourself or with a friend. think about it this way. say you make around 320-330rwhp with the x. youd be running consistant low 13's easy imo probably hitting 12's on street rubber and it would be a BEAST on the street with all the low end torque it makes. that's what i would do personally.
You're talking about the install for the X-charger I could do myself right? I talked to you about that before. How hard do you think the cams and heads would be to install. My dad used to do all that stuff back in the day because he worked in a speed fabrication shop for years but he's scared to do it now becuase the new cars are newer and there's more technology and so on. Oh I noticed that you were 16... I'm 17 lol and I thought that was an interesting concept Now you know you're not the only youngin on the forums!
Lol! I'm 18 that's pretty funny. Where's 19!? Later on down the road, I want to put on an X-Charger cause of all that low end torque......it sounds like a really fun street setup.
Yeah I'm debating between the X-Charger and the ProCharger because they seem to put out the most torque. the X-charger puts out insane amounts of torque!! But if I decide to do cams and heads then it'll be a little longer... So many things to do... lol
If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!
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just a note. it so far hasnt been proven neccasary that you need to build the motor to run any of the f/i systems. You will need this however when you up the boost plus it could be a layer of safety. I plan on going built motor myself this summer when my truck is out and ready to go for the summer time.
stroker kit=more displacement=more room for more air and gas=more power
on the topic-i think heads and cams would be a good investment once F/I or right before. Would definetly enhance the power with every mod you put on the motor most likely....even though don't know how much further you could go after f/i heads and cams!
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If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!
yeah, but if ur gonna go X-Charger whats the point of bothering with forged internals as you won't be able to up the boost as theirs no aftercooler. But i could understand just putting in lower compression pistons(forged that is) to increase the boost, might as well upgrade the weakest link while your in their. With the combination of X-Charger, Heads/Cams, 8.8 compression pistons i wouldn't expect it to make anything more than 340-350wph at BEST at the Hi-pro psi of 8-9psi? not sure which psi the hi pro uses.
Okay guys I know this is a odd concept... Try and step away from the pre fabbed turbo kits here. If your shooting for big numbers your obviously going to have to do some custom work. Instead of going procharger, xcharger, blah. Build your own turbo setup. Choose a good garrett gt ball bearing turbo. Choose a good intercooler for the correct size, piping is simple to do or you can have someone do it for you for a couple hundred. From their you get a larger fuel pump about 100$ and larger injectors. You will need a b.o.v. and a wastegate if your turbo has not included one. Expect to spend 3-5k on the turbo setup alone depending on parts used and how much outside labor is used.
Now if you want to get big number you will need forged internals. I would start with the stroker kit from here http://www.moranav6racing.com/category.html?CategoryID=32 . Then move onto doing your camshaft, headstuds, heads. You are going to spend about 10k on this motor. . . so far So i Hope the numbers in your head are closer to 500rwhp. Which is possible it depends on the work you do to the motor. So if you really plan on spending that much money on a stroker kit to go f/i. Please think about swapping motors. Its definetly worth it to get something bigger and more reliable. Remember you jump up in power over 400hp you will need to upgrade to a 8.8/9" rear end, different driveshaft, tranny, and upgrade your suspension.
my information may not be spot on, correct it as you will
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Okay guys I know this is a odd concept... Try and step away from the pre fabbed turbo kits here. If your shooting for big numbers your obviously going to have to do some custom work. Instead of going procharger, xcharger, blah. Build your own turbo setup. Choose a good garrett gt ball bearing turbo. Choose a good intercooler for the correct size, piping is simple to do or you can have someone do it for you for a couple hundred. From their you get a larger fuel pump about 100$ and larger injectors. You will need a b.o.v. and a wastegate if your turbo has not included one. Expect to spend 3-5k on the turbo setup alone depending on parts used and how much outside labor is used.
Now if you want to get big number you will need forged internals. I would start with the stroker kit from here http://www.moranav6racing.com/category.html?CategoryID=32 . Then move onto doing your camshaft, headstuds, heads. You are going to spend about 10k on this motor. . . so far So i Hope the numbers in your head are closer to 500rwhp. Which is possible it depends on the work you do to the motor. So if you really plan on spending that much money on a stroker kit to go f/i. Please think about swapping motors. Its definetly worth it to get something bigger and more reliable. Remember you jump up in power over 400hp you will need to upgrade to a 8.8/9" rear end, different driveshaft, tranny, and upgrade your suspension.
my information may not be spot on, correct it as you will
nobody said anything about a turbo. As for fabbing up your own F/I, its too much hassel. If i was gonna fab something up, i would spend the extra doe to get a custom built mainfold for a 2.2 KB Twin-screw S/C. Some of use don't need 500hp.
If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!
lol who says you need that much? i garuntee when flapjack gets dynoed he hits at least 385 at the wheels. AT LEAST. he put down 364rwhp BEFORE heads and cams! go register on the **** forums and talk to him about head/cam install if you are planning on doing it. he is the only one that has done it so far and he is very knowledgable. i think he may have actually done a write up too.
oh and irgnation...the ph turbo can support something like 650hp...their car is running mid 11's on it and a stock long block. the procharger can handle well into 500 horses with the d1sc unit. If it is big power you want, the ph turbo, the vortech, and the procharger are all good ways to go. the x-charger is more of a street unit that can go to the drags also. it isn't capable of such huge numbers because there is no intercooler option as of yet, but if you are aimin for low 300's and monstrous torque...xcharger and heads will do no wrong, but if you want high 300's+ you are gonna need a centri blower or turbo. any way you go, with the extent you are suggesting you are going to go, you are gonna have a monster!
Yep, 8cd03gro is right. Flapjack and Gash have done it. Gash is a NA car that has heads, should have a write up today from him and dyno over the next week. Flapjack did the head/cam install himself, his a direct link to his write up:
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