Hey I was thinking, does anyone know anything about new heads and cams for our 4.0L? I heard Flapjack was doing this and I was wondering what anyone else knew about it...

I don't know a whole lot about them, but
I know the you can get them @
www.supersixmotorsports.com

Something I'm looking into later on down the line.

That's some expensive stuff... I wonder if it's worth it... I bet the instalation would be either a pain in the ass, or really expensive as well...

I'm sure that it's worth it in the long run
when and if you decide to go F/I with the car.
But I do believe it would be a B!tch to install,
probably have to have someone do it.

Yeah I hear you there. I intend on going F/I and was hoping to do it next year, probably around spring to mid-summer. I wanted to install the Supercharger myself because Powered by Ford wants about $1,000 JUST to install the damn thing. I could just imagine how expensive it would be for the to take the engine half apart to do the heads and cams... Would they have to lift the engine out of the car to do that??

That question's out of my range, but
if I had to guess, I would say yes.

ORIGINAL: AmericanMade

Yeah I hear you there. I intend on going F/I and was hoping to do it next year, probably around spring to mid-summer. I wanted to install the Supercharger myself because Powered by Ford wants about $1,000 JUST to install the damn thing. I could just imagine how expensive it would be for the to take the engine half apart to do the heads and cams... Would they have to lift the engine out of the car to do that??


no need to lift the motor, the heads are on top ;). it will be pricey...probably just under 1k. if you ended up doing heads with a pro install you might as well go x-charger if you are worried about total cost with install. with heads and cams, the x-charger could be a MONSTER and you could do the install yourself or with a friend. think about it this way. say you make around 320-330rwhp with the x. youd be running consistant low 13's easy imo probably hitting 12's on street rubber and it would be a BEAST on the street with all the low end torque it makes. that's what i would do personally.

no need to lift the motor, the heads are on top ;). it will be pricey...probably just under 1k. if you ended up doing heads with a pro install you might as well go x-charger if you are worried about total cost with install. with heads and cams, the x-charger could be a MONSTER and you could do the install yourself or with a friend. think about it this way. say you make around 320-330rwhp with the x. youd be running consistant low 13's easy imo probably hitting 12's on street rubber and it would be a BEAST on the street with all the low end torque it makes. that's what i would do personally.

You're talking about the install for the X-charger I could do myself right? I talked to you about that before. How hard do you think the cams and heads would be to install. My dad used to do all that stuff back in the day because he worked in a speed fabrication shop for years but he's scared to do it now becuase the new cars are newer and there's more technology and so on. Oh I noticed that you were 16... I'm 17 lol and I thought that was an interesting concept :D Now you know you're not the only youngin on the forums!

Ya I'm sure u wouldn't need to lift the engine I don't think the insallation would be that difficult as long as you know your way around the engine.

ORIGINAL: AmericanMade

no need to lift the motor, the heads are on top ;). it will be pricey...probably just under 1k. if you ended up doing heads with a pro install you might as well go x-charger if you are worried about total cost with install. with heads and cams, the x-charger could be a MONSTER and you could do the install yourself or with a friend. think about it this way. say you make around 320-330rwhp with the x. youd be running consistant low 13's easy imo probably hitting 12's on street rubber and it would be a BEAST on the street with all the low end torque it makes. that's what i would do personally.

You're talking about the install for the X-charger I could do myself right? I talked to you about that before. How hard do you think the cams and heads would be to install. My dad used to do all that stuff back in the day because he worked in a speed fabrication shop for years but he's scared to do it now becuase the new cars are newer and there's more technology and so on. Oh I noticed that you were 16... I'm 17 lol and I thought that was an interesting concept :D Now you know you're not the only youngin on the forums!


Lol! I'm 18 that's pretty funny. Where's 19!?
Later on down the road, I want to put on an X-Charger
cause of all that low end torque......it sounds like a really
fun street setup.

Yeah I'm debating between the X-Charger and the ProCharger because they seem to put out the most torque. the X-charger puts out insane amounts of torque!! But if I decide to do cams and heads then it'll be a little longer... So many things to do... lol

If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!

Newb Question!! What's the stroker kit?? lol!

just a note. it so far hasnt been proven neccasary that you need to build the motor to run any of the f/i systems. You will need this however when you up the boost plus it could be a layer of safety. I plan on going built motor myself this summer when my truck is out and ready to go for the summer time.

stroker kit=more displacement=more room for more air and gas=more power

on the topic-i think heads and cams would be a good investment once F/I or right before. Would definetly enhance the power with every mod you put on the motor most likely....even though don't know how much further you could go after f/i heads and cams!

ORIGINAL: AmericanMade

Newb Question!! What's the stroker kit?? lol!

ORIGINAL: beaustang

If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!



yeah, but if ur gonna go X-Charger whats the point of bothering with forged internals as you won't be able to up the boost as theirs no aftercooler. But i could understand just putting in lower compression pistons(forged that is) to increase the boost, might as well upgrade the weakest link while your in their. With the combination of X-Charger, Heads/Cams, 8.8 compression pistons i wouldn't expect it to make anything more than 340-350wph at BEST at the Hi-pro psi of 8-9psi? not sure which psi the hi pro uses.

Okay guys I know this is a odd concept... Try and step away from the pre fabbed turbo kits here. If your shooting for big numbers your obviously going to have to do some custom work. Instead of going procharger, xcharger, blah. Build your own turbo setup. Choose a good garrett gt ball bearing turbo. Choose a good intercooler for the correct size, piping is simple to do or you can have someone do it for you for a couple hundred. From their you get a larger fuel pump about 100$ and larger injectors. You will need a b.o.v. and a wastegate if your turbo has not included one. Expect to spend 3-5k on the turbo setup alone depending on parts used and how much outside labor is used.

Now if you want to get big number you will need forged internals. I would start with the stroker kit from here
http://www.moranav6racing.com/category.html?CategoryID=32 . Then move onto doing your camshaft, headstuds, heads. You are going to spend about 10k on this motor. . . so far So i Hope the numbers in your head are closer to 500rwhp. Which is possible it depends on the work you do to the motor. So if you really plan on spending that much money on a stroker kit to go f/i. Please think about swapping motors. Its definetly worth it to get something bigger and more reliable. Remember you jump up in power over 400hp you will need to upgrade to a 8.8/9" rear end, different driveshaft, tranny, and upgrade your suspension.


my information may not be spot on, correct it as you will

ORIGINAL: lrgnation

Okay guys I know this is a odd concept... Try and step away from the pre fabbed turbo kits here. If your shooting for big numbers your obviously going to have to do some custom work. Instead of going procharger, xcharger, blah. Build your own turbo setup. Choose a good garrett gt ball bearing turbo. Choose a good intercooler for the correct size, piping is simple to do or you can have someone do it for you for a couple hundred. From their you get a larger fuel pump about 100$ and larger injectors. You will need a b.o.v. and a wastegate if your turbo has not included one. Expect to spend 3-5k on the turbo setup alone depending on parts used and how much outside labor is used.

Now if you want to get big number you will need forged internals. I would start with the stroker kit from here
http://www.moranav6racing.com/category.html?CategoryID=32 . Then move onto doing your camshaft, headstuds, heads. You are going to spend about 10k on this motor. . . so far So i Hope the numbers in your head are closer to 500rwhp. Which is possible it depends on the work you do to the motor. So if you really plan on spending that much money on a stroker kit to go f/i. Please think about swapping motors. Its definetly worth it to get something bigger and more reliable. Remember you jump up in power over 400hp you will need to upgrade to a 8.8/9" rear end, different driveshaft, tranny, and upgrade your suspension.


my information may not be spot on, correct it as you will


nobody said anything about a turbo. As for fabbing up your own F/I, its too much hassel. If i was gonna fab something up, i would spend the extra doe to get a custom built mainfold for a 2.2 KB Twin-screw S/C. Some of use don't need 500hp.

ORIGINAL: beaustang

If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!


lol who says you need that much? i garuntee when flapjack gets dynoed he hits at least 385 at the wheels. AT LEAST. he put down 364rwhp BEFORE heads and cams! go register on the ********** forums and talk to him about head/cam install if you are planning on doing it. he is the only one that has done it so far and he is very knowledgable. i think he may have actually done a write up too.

http://american-speed.com/**********/forums

oh and irgnation...the ph turbo can support something like 650hp...their car is running mid 11's on it and a stock long block. the procharger can handle well into 500 horses with the d1sc unit. If it is big power you want, the ph turbo, the vortech, and the procharger are all good ways to go. the x-charger is more of a street unit that can go to the drags also. it isn't capable of such huge numbers because there is no intercooler option as of yet, but if you are aimin for low 300's and monstrous torque...xcharger and heads will do no wrong, but if you want high 300's+ you are gonna need a centri blower or turbo. any way you go, with the extent you are suggesting you are going to go, you are gonna have a monster!

Yep, 8cd03gro is right. Flapjack and Gash have done it. Gash is a NA car that has heads, should have a write up today from him and dyno over the next week. Flapjack did the head/cam install himself, his a direct link to his write up:

http://american-speed.com/**********/forums/showthread.php?t=3843

Very good write up with pics, list of tools needed, etc.

I wasn't suggesting any particular FI, I was just speculating on what could be done with the stroker setup. In fact if I was to go that direction I'd go with something that would accomodate an aftercooler.
ORIGINAL: Trill Gear Head


ORIGINAL: beaustang

If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!



yeah, but if ur gonna go X-Charger whats the point of bothering with forged internals as you won't be able to up the boost as theirs no aftercooler. But i could understand just putting in lower compression pistons(forged that is) to increase the boost, might as well upgrade the weakest link while your in their. With the combination of X-Charger, Heads/Cams, 8.8 compression pistons i wouldn't expect it to make anything more than 340-350wph at BEST at the Hi-pro psi of 8-9psi? not sure which psi the hi pro uses.

ORIGINAL: beaustang

I wasn't suggesting any particular FI, I was just speculating on what could be done with the stroker setup. In fact if I was to go that direction I'd go with something that would accomodate an aftercooler.
ORIGINAL: Trill Gear Head


ORIGINAL: beaustang

If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!



yeah, but if ur gonna go X-Charger whats the point of bothering with forged internals as you won't be able to up the boost as theirs no aftercooler. But i could understand just putting in lower compression pistons(forged that is) to increase the boost, might as well upgrade the weakest link while your in their. With the combination of X-Charger, Heads/Cams, 8.8 compression pistons i wouldn't expect it to make anything more than 340-350wph at BEST at the Hi-pro psi of 8-9psi? not sure which psi the hi pro uses.




Yeah, Thats the one thing i hate about the X-Charger. No AFTERCOOLER!!!!!!! DO YOU HEAR ME GUYS AT EE!!!!!!!!! I seriously wonder how much it would cost to fab up a mp112 manifold along with aftercooler. If only the world where perfect. Wasn'tt heir somebody else make a roots style F/I for our cars?

ORIGINAL: Trill Gear Head


ORIGINAL: beaustang

I wasn't suggesting any particular FI, I was just speculating on what could be done with the stroker setup. In fact if I was to go that direction I'd go with something that would accomodate an aftercooler.
ORIGINAL: Trill Gear Head


ORIGINAL: beaustang

If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!



yeah, but if ur gonna go X-Charger whats the point of bothering with forged internals as you won't be able to up the boost as theirs no aftercooler. But i could understand just putting in lower compression pistons(forged that is) to increase the boost, might as well upgrade the weakest link while your in their. With the combination of X-Charger, Heads/Cams, 8.8 compression pistons i wouldn't expect it to make anything more than 340-350wph at BEST at the Hi-pro psi of 8-9psi? not sure which psi the hi pro uses.




Yeah, Thats the one thing i hate about the X-Charger. No AFTERCOOLER!!!!!!! DO YOU HEAR ME GUYS AT EE!!!!!!!!! I seriously wonder how much it would cost to fab up a mp112 manifold along with aftercooler. If only the world where perfect. Wasn'tt heir somebody else make a roots style F/I for our cars?



the hi-po hits 9-10 psi i beleive and with the right internals you could make some big power with that. i actually would not recomend going lower compression on a build if you have an x-charger. since the boost levels are so limited, you would actually be better of going higher compression. going to say 10:1 with the right tune will up your power at the same boost. i can see 350rwhp easy on heads/cams/pistons with x-charger and don't forget the torque curve. i can't remember who exactly, but i know someone ran a 13.7 with the cali kit (6 psi) on an open diff! the cali kit puts around 250rwhp down. imagine an extra hundred at the wheels.easy mid 12's.

ORIGINAL: 8cd03gro

ORIGINAL: Trill Gear Head


ORIGINAL: beaustang

I wasn't suggesting any particular FI, I was just speculating on what could be done with the stroker setup. In fact if I was to go that direction I'd go with something that would accomodate an aftercooler.
ORIGINAL: Trill Gear Head


ORIGINAL: beaustang

If you're going to do heads and cams with the intention of going FI in the future you should also save up and put in forged internals to handle more boost, and if you are going to do that you might as well do the stroker kit! Imagine a FI Stroker motor with ported heads and agressive cams! 400rwhp V6 baby!



yeah, but if ur gonna go X-Charger whats the point of bothering with forged internals as you won't be able to up the boost as theirs no aftercooler. But i could understand just putting in lower compression pistons(forged that is) to increase the boost, might as well upgrade the weakest link while your in their. With the combination of X-Charger, Heads/Cams, 8.8 compression pistons i wouldn't expect it to make anything more than 340-350wph at BEST at the Hi-pro psi of 8-9psi? not sure which psi the hi pro uses.




Yeah, Thats the one thing i hate about the X-Charger. No AFTERCOOLER!!!!!!! DO YOU HEAR ME GUYS AT EE!!!!!!!!! I seriously wonder how much it would cost to fab up a mp112 manifold along with aftercooler. If only the world where perfect. Wasn'tt heir somebody else make a roots style F/I for our cars?



the hi-po hits 9-10 psi i beleive and with the right internals you could make some big power with that. i actually would not recomend going lower compression on a build if you have an x-charger. since the boost levels are so limited, you would actually be better of going higher compression. going to say 10:1 with the right tune will up your power at the same boost. i can see 350rwhp easy on heads/cams/pistons with x-charger and don't forget the torque curve. i can't remember who exactly, but i know someone ran a 13.7 with the cali kit (6 psi) on an open diff! the cali kit puts around 250rwhp down. imagine an extra hundred at the wheels.easy mid 12's.



I see what your saying and it makes since, I'm far far FAR away from modding my car at all, keep in mind i havn't even had this car for a year yet. However, next fall their will be changes(MAUAHHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!). I will talk to countless people on what they think will happen. The most logical thing though will to pay for the Head/Cam/Intake and the install, run it N/A for a lil while and then install X-Charger wit my pops so i can atleast say i did something[8D].

LOL! that is pretty much exactly what im planning on pending the results of the heads and cams from gash. hell if i can get 30+whp from cams and heads i would be VERY happy for a while. all motor with that much power would be a blast and a total sleeper. and when you get bored, you will just see that much more power out of a blower/turbo. i think ported/polished heads are the best mod for anyone looking to build big power, over a period of time. get 30hp now, and when you get bored, bolt on a blower and gain another 100+ :D now that's bad ass.

yea with fabbing your own turbo....good luck??