btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them.
hmm.....I think I would tend to disagree with you on this..............there are some saleen's that are one of a kind, not just because of a different "sticker".
if it came from a facotry, guess what? its not one of a kind... if you mod your car differently then ya it is, but as far as you are argueing... no the difference between A's black s-281 and B's black s-281 is the sticker (same options- not like it really matters anyway).... pretty easy concept
as for markdumbass... what exactly do you think the difference is then... other than parts, its the same car genious - with after factory "upgrades"... just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price... think on that professor.
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btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them.
hmm.....I think I would tend to disagree with you on this..............there are some saleen's that are one of a kind, not just because of a different "sticker".
if it came from a facotry, guess what? its not one of a kind... if you mod your car differently then ya it is, but as far as you are argueing... no the difference between A's black s-281 and B's black s-281 is the sticker (same options- not like it really matters anyway).... pretty easy concept
as for markdumbass... what exactly do you think the difference is then... other than parts, its the same car genious - with after factory "upgrades"... just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price... think on that professor.
hmm 2003 Lizstick Red Saleen Cobra Speedster...................I think that is a little more different then just a sticker with any other S281 or Saleen Cobra.............
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just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price... think on that professor.
Oh enlighntened one....I think I've finally figured out why no one understands your lines of thinking. You have in fact schooled us. Other than the fact that many of us have taken collegiant economics of some form or another, it may just be because we are pondering on this issue too much without your superior thought process. Whatever your age or retirement status is, I vote we put in for a Professor Emeritus title for you as soon as possible. Before we do that though, let's work through a small exercise.
The year is 2002....Skippy (as we will refer to him) finally thinks to himself, "I'm going to stick it to the man and build my own Saleen S-281 Extreme and save....thousands, if not millions of dollars." So Skippy goes out and buys himself a used Mustang GT with very low miles and goes to work removing the hood, replacing interior, replacing the exhaust, violently tearing the engine down, etc.... It's not long before Skippy realizes, as soon as he turned the first bolt on his upper intake, he voided a warranty that still had 33,000 miles on it. Nonetheless, Skippy presses on. Skippy's systolic blood pressure went up 3mmHg once he got his car back from the garage that put his 3:55's in because Joe the Mechanic was hung over the day he installed them. Now the rear-end whines like Napa Valley because the 3:55's weren't shimmed correct. Finally, almost a year later, everything is in place and Skippy's Mustang GT looks almost identical to an OG 2002 Saleen S-281E. However, Skippy stops just short of vomiting every time he sees the car because he has countless hours invested, not to mention $18,000 cash, into the conversion. Skippy's only solution....."I'll sell the car and reap the reward of creating such a machine". But, Skippy soon finds out....no buyer wants to pay all that much for a Saleen S-281E that isn't really a Saleen S-281E. His highest offer for the car is $5,000 more than what a regular Mustang GT will sell for because, among other things, all of Skippy's potential buyers are not at all interested in having a one and half year-old car with 5,000 miles and no warranty.
Take a look the attached link and see what differentiates these cars from your garden variety Mustang GT. How much time and money do you think it would take to do it right?? To each his own....my time is worth a hell of a lot more than what it would take....and by the way, I'll sleep well at night knowing I've got the real thing that will maintain its resale value because it's UNIQUE.
Simple economics......ponder on that my friend.....Any questions!
I don't think there's anything at all wrong with modifying your ride and after all, not everybody can afford to drop coin on the real thing There is a line though, and affixing a serial number to the fender is crossing that line.
Many moons ago I modified a European Capri V6 I owned to look [kinda] like a far more rarer version (RS3100). I never made the claim it was anything other than a modified stocker (Not even stickers or anything) and sold it eventually honestly. Anyway, a few years later I heard of a local RS3100 for sale, so went to see it. You can guess which car it was.......Yep, my old stocker.
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Come on bran - stop the nonsense and just get onto non-flamatory posts! You are clearly of the DIY mindset, which is perfectly fine. This post has not only gone on way too long, but has gotten WAY out of hand. Stop arguing about what a Saleen is and what Saleen is not, and just move on.
btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them.
hmm.....I think I would tend to disagree with you on this..............there are some saleen's that are one of a kind, not just because of a different "sticker".
if it came from a facotry, guess what? its not one of a kind... if you mod your car differently then ya it is, but as far as you are argueing... no the difference between A's black s-281 and B's black s-281 is the sticker (same options- not like it really matters anyway).... pretty easy concept
as for markdumbass... what exactly do you think the difference is then... other than parts, its the same car genious - with after factory "upgrades"... just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price... think on that professor.
Here's the difference genious i have a 2000 saleen NADA high retail $23,000:; 2000 gt 11,975. my car stickered $36k ok so thats what $10k more than a loaded GT. Take a GT put a full saleen kit on, suspension, wheels, and the other stuff saleen adds on and don't forget labor. you'll be at least the $10K that i already spent getting the real saleen. Now lets both try and sell our cars today. Lets say i get $20k(average retail) for a loss of $16k. Lets say you get $13K(above average retail) for a Loss of the $10k you spent to build a fake and the $10k of depreciated value of your gt. Loss of $20k. So you lost $4 thousand dollars more than i did to have a fake saleen. Now even better lets hold onto our cars for 30 years and see what the difference in value is then. So if the cars are "exactly identical cars" why is yours worth less while spending just as much as i did? You lost more money DIY. "double the price". I 'm no professor but i can do basic math. All your arguements are senseless and full of ignorance about the car collector world, but its certain you are have your opinion, as uneducated as it may be, and i'll leave it alone since you're becoming a waste of my time.
haha you little dipshits are funny, you berade, Im gonna piss on you... go cry somewhere else about your crappy stock internal **** with roots blowers, grow up and realize your wrong - stop tryin to a "fly bly" saying stupid unfounded sh!t...
you think there is something differnet about your "lizstick red" 281 speedster, theres not - theres 100 more just like it. its a stock car, you bought that way just like everyone else...
and as far as mills281, kid please... I already demonstrated the economic and performance superiorty of a modified DIY GT, versus the factory modified GT you drive.... your like a little baby crying, making up things to make your self feel better. But since I guess my name is "skippy" now, Ill name you D!psh!t.. how about that D!psh!t, instead of posting pointless garble and trying to insult someone, post something meaningful - then you can join the disscuion, ok D!pSh!t?.. thanks
you think there is something differnet about your "lizstick red" 281 speedster, theres not - theres 100 more just like it. its a stock car, you bought that way just like everyone else...
Prove it show me the 100 more like it.
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i realize yours is a cobra saleen, so it is more rare then theirs, but thats not the debate.. they are all "rare" respectively, they were saying "one of a Kind" which it is not, plus there are others who made an exactly replica of your car, their car my car etc... They said that simpley because it was a saleen it was one of a kind, which is just not true... for every factory saleen there there are 10 DIY ones. but anyway this is all besides the point... the underlying fact is that a mustang is a mustang.. a v-6, GT, roush saleen what have you.. they are not different cars, they jus thave different add ons... i dont know why juniors take offense to this, its just a simple truth. Its not a bad thing, it what allows many of us to afford our cars
I dont have to prove anything, its common knowledge... its a factory car there are others like it.. unless you customozied it, its not one of kind
You make a comment like that you'd better be able to back it up, if you can't your just speaking out of your AS*, and there is no weight to anything you say.
Back up your so called "common knowledge".............prove me wrong, if all you've got is that it's "common knowledge" that argument isn't going to fly with anyone.
BTW...............03-11 is the only Lizstick Red Saleen Cobra Speedster built.
So prove me wrong that there is another one exactly like...........I'll even give you the "sticker" difference, so prove your "common knowledge" of one exactly like it that just has different "stickers"
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haha Whaa whaaa!!! lol, there are other cobra saleens, maybe not that color - still the same car - and Im willing to bet anything you want to bet others have copied it... also what about in 04? ... yea ok your right, your color option makes it a "completely different car" - haha... this thread is so juvenile its not even worth my time. Actually come to think of it I know of about 4 saleen speedsters that I have seen myslef that done the cobra motor and tranny swap...
but if it makes you feel better, youre right ok... now go to bed
common knowledge is that in some "crazy scheme to turn a pofit they made more than one" ... haha and there thousands of replicars done to full factory spec, with facorty parts... if you dont know that you dont go outside much
haha Whaa whaaa!!! lol, there are other cobra saleens, maybe not that color - still the same car - and Im willing to bet anything you want to bet others have copied it... also what about in 04? ... yea ok your right, your color option makes it a "completely different car" - haha... this thread is so juvenile its not even worth my time. Actually come to think of it I know of about 4 saleen speedsters that I have seen myslef that done the cobra motor and tranny swap...
but if it makes you feel better, youre right ok... now go to bed
Still no proof.....................prove me wrong I'm giving you the chance to......................if you can't I suggest you stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.
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in a hole, lol like I give a sh!t, haha Guess what NOBODY CARES!!! I dont have to prove it, look at the production numbers.. was YOUR car THE ONLY cobra saleen speedster EVER MADE?!?!? _ NO so STFU, its not a complicated concept - but your having a very tough time here
as you said yourself, in post down the list your car is one of 16 - more in 04 and more that were coupes instead of verts, so why dont you show me how your car is the only one like it on the planet?!?! while your talkin out of your A$$
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I love the fact that "Skippy" here is just "JEALOUS", green with Envy. I have no problem with clones, but I do have a problem with an idiot like "Skippy", that can't afford a real Saleen, trying to lower true Saleen owners down to his level. The very cars he's putting down are the cars being cloned.....My old Pappy once said..."Imitation is the Highest form of Flattery"....Thanks for the compliment....."Skippy"
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I have a roush not a saleen, Im not "putting down" the cars, that just your juvenile interpretation... why would I put down my own car... pretty stupid there slick... anyway you can cry all you want - the simple fact is (espically in your case 281sc) you could have had the exact same car for much less money if DIY, but sense you dont have the knowledge/ability, it safe to assume why you bought yours at the dealer... with the ****y charger and the non-forged internals.. that was a super smart buy! congrats. And you think your car is anything other than the immataion of a proto type?- re-think your logic d!psh!t - its not 'immatation if you buy it from saleen/roush... all you did was have a shop (saleen) put it on for you...
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There is a line though, and affixing a serial number to the fender is crossing that line. 
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