i am doing the saleen convertion on my GT i just got the prodution # sticker... the # is 069 do i keep the zero in there or take it out and i dont know where exactly to put in on the bumper... thanks

Badseed:

....Saleen18x9+18x10 Wrapped in 245 and 275 BFG's..

I recommend 275's and 295's to fill that wheel well up right :)


Jaz on meats

You don't

^ +1

ORIGINAL: tim1200

You don't
so leave the zero in there

I think that is really great that you have accomplished what you have with your car. However you should stop there, by putting on a number that has been used by another Saleen is in appropriate and misrepresenting the vehicle.

Dude - please don't misrepresent your car. It is a GT with Saleen ground effects, which is great - putting a FAKE bumper number on it is just wrong [:@]

But if you feel you must, Saleen never used preceeding zero's on the bumper stickers. You should know that #69 already exists and you would be considered a fraud. If you really want a bumper number, use something that was NOT used, such as any 4 digit number starting above 1000.

^ +1

Find out how many were made that year and make yours 1 higher than the last.

Afixing a number to the car is just wrong. Are you going for a copy because you like the Saleen or are you deliberately trying to rip one off ?

You all are far kinder than I would have been. My original reply was going to be keep the 0 in there and it is placed on the passenger side of the bumper :D

ORIGINAL: Tas

Find out how many were made that year and make yours 1 higher than the last.


This wouldn't work. They skip various numbers for various reasons. So if they made 750 (hypothetically) the numbers could very well go up to 800 or more.

If you really want to put a number on it - just put 6. Saleen never uses that number, so you wouldn't be fraudently representing somebody elses car - and all the Saleen enthusiasists will recognize your car as a clone (again, which isn't a problem)

guys

he can put wutever number he wants - its not fraud - SALEEN SOLD HIM THE KIT DIDN'T THEY?
don't hate bc he was smart and did the body kit himself and saved 20k.... as long as you do try to sell it as original than it doesnt matter, but better yet - get Steve Saleen to sign it at a meet - then you can sell it as an original with his blessings (finish the conversion of course)
- that will really piss all of these haters off
There absolutly nothing FAKE about it - they are real saleen parts - the same that are on your prospective cars - he just didnt pay a whole lot for them...

Ok I will say that I see what you mean about the number and representing somebody elses car, the other half of that is I WOULDN'T GIVE A DAMN... like we said - thats not his problem its yours.

You again [:@] Nobody said ANYTHING about hating?!?! We were just telling him our two cents about using a fake number. Yes he bought a body kit, but no that doesn't make his car an authentic, searlialized Saleen. And if you think adding only a body kit means he saved $20k then your thoughts aren't even worth any further response.......

[sm=chairshot.gif]

:D in the end its still a gt not that there is anything wrong with a gt.

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

guys

he can put wutever number he wants - its not fraud - SALEEN SOLD HIM THE KIT DIDN'T THEY?
don't hate bc he was smart and did the body kit himself and saved 20k.... as long as you do try to sell it as original than it doesnt matter, but better yet - get Steve Saleen to sign it at a meet - then you can sell it as an original with his blessings (finish the conversion of course)
- that will really piss all of these haters off
There absolutly nothing FAKE about it - they are real saleen parts - the same that are on your prospective cars - he just didnt pay a whole lot for them...


uhhh, excuse me for stating the obvious, but SALEEN PRODUCTION NUMBER means Saleen produced it at one of their facilities. Not the case with this car. The good people on this site are trying to prevent someone from misrepresenting their car. It has to do with honesty and integrity. But since there are folks out there who clearly don't understand that a Saleen is more than exterior fascia and a number on the bumper, this is a good lesson in "caveat emptor" if someone comes along to buy this thing. The guy who owns the car now is just going to look like an idiot and a fraud to anyone who knows anything about Saleens, but you're right -- that's his problem, not ours.

Again, Amy hits the proverbial nail on the head ;)

The Jazzer on hammering home the point

get Steve Saleen to sign it at a meet - then you can sell it as an original with his blessings (finish the conversion of course)

My cousin has a poster signed by Steve....does that make it a real Saleen?

I WOULDN'T GIVE A DAMN... like we said - thats not his problem its yours.

Where does the "we" come from....do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Lose the resentful teenager attitude and maybe someone will actually take what you post seriously.
Mills

ORIGINAL: mills281e

Lose the resentful teenager attitude and maybe someone will actually take what you post seriously.



Well said Mills! This guy has only been around a short while and the majority of his posts have been of the "youn punk" mentality. Quit trolling, and start posting with positive comments and you'll probably get a little more respect. Don't make me pull up one of your early posts in the DETAILING section to prove my point [8D]

I have the body kit and extra parts from saleen in my car. Its not a full clone , and it will never be. I like clones (the good ones) but I dont have anything that says saleen on it, besides his signature. the reason why I dont put any emblems, numbers, stickers or something that will say saleen on it is simply cause its not a saleen. I respect everyones decisions but making a gt, v6 or any other mustang that is not a saleen into a completely identical saleen, I dont appreciate as much as I will know is a clone because the people that owns saleens had to pay more money, wait the time cause they order theirs before they come out, etc. then they deserve to get all the credit of owing a saleen, not the fakers. and like the logo says "The Power Only In The Hands Of Few" If someday I will have the financial sources of owning a saleen then I will. I probably i wouldnt like to see a clone of my car that gets the same credit as mine. thats just my .02

Very well put, cviteri. Thank you!

haha I got your young punk hangin low... btw enjoy those extra payments on your GT's with body kits and superchargers - lol you twits are funny

Here we go again......

Man I feel a ban coming on!!!

you want some tissue paper ?

[X(]

Well I say....oh never mind. continue on without me.

Hey TWIT - did it ever occur to you that those of us that choose to buy COLLECTABLE cars really aren't concerned with payments, or even HAVE payments [8D]

haha good job or copying what I said, your a bright one arn't you... as for your comment...? a penny saved is a penny earned, we have 20x the pride, and as for your daily driver there, lets see how much you get for her 20 years from now

http://www.choiceshirts.com/images/PL/-0/PL-00365B-md.jpg

we have 20x the pride

Who is 'we' and 20x the pride of what?

Ok ya f**king pain in the a$$. Who said anything about my car being a daily driver [&:] I will guarantee you I'll get more for my REAL S281 (heck, even my '85 Vert for that matter) in 20 years than your car with its 20x pride. Whether or not people choose to buy cars as daily drivers, modifiers, or collectibles is none of ANYBODY's business accept the owners. So why are you trolling in a thread that was started by somebody asking for a simple answer from other Saleen owners.

What I don't get about you is I've read several of your posts in several other sections and they all seem to be pretty respectful. So what the f**k do you have against Saleen owners and this section[&:] I say shut the f**k up, and get the f**k out [sm=devilgrin.gif]

Sorry Mods, had to do it ;) Now ban this troll, if not totally at least from this section!

I dont have anything against saleen owners, the same goes for roushes. You were the ones flaming on the guy about putting a sticker on his car... btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them. All I am saying is that if the guy wants to put 69 in his car, then PUT 69... I just dont think you should ragg on people for making replicars when its the factory that sold them the parts.. if you have a problem with kits... piss on saleen, not on this guy. (we is all DIY'ers like myslef)

Well then, before we start to hate each other before we even know each other I suggust you go back and re-read his question and all the responses. NOBODY flamed him or bashed him. In fact, after giving him our opionions and realizing he still wanted a number we then told him how to go about it correctly from a clone standpoint.

So I vote we consider this [sm=closed.gif], agree to disagree or whatever, and just all get along and enjoy our MUSTANGS (whatever the variety) :)

Hey Sowaxeman don't waste your time or energy on this guy. I feel sorry for him. He's obviously an unhappy and lonely person.

"Wise people learn more from fools
than fools learn from the wise."

yea.. mmmk


some things dont warrant a response...

I was just trying to clear the air with him. I'd rather see him post in here with some sense (like in the other sections) rather than as a "troll" or negatively as most of the posts in here. Its just so much more productive :) Isn't that an oximoron.....forums.....work.....productive [8D]

Sorry I jumped your case in that earlier post Bran...I was just in a bad mood at work and your post rubbed me the wrong way. Though I stand by my point that it seems the only posts you make that draw this sort of attention are in here - regardless I'm ready to forget it and move forward.

what a tool. i'm sure some idiot in the 1960's and 70's said the same crap about a shelby. "gee a shelby is just a fastback with a bodykit and suspension". enough said. As for the original poster what purpose does the # serve if its not a saleen and your not trying to fool someone into thinking it is one. I'm not being a dick i'm just curious. I took my serial # off the bumper because i just didn't like it. Do you just like the look of the #? Just a general thought here but most mustang owners are not going to fooled by a clone and certainly not saleen owners. There are just too many other ways besides the # on the bumper to tell a fake. So that being said i would feel kinda stupid being called out by my fellow stangers. Again i'm not trying to be a dick just some food for thought.

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them.


hmm.....I think I would tend to disagree with you on this..............there are some saleen's that are one of a kind, not just because of a different "sticker".

ill put my .02 in here. i dont own a saleen but i have the body kit but maybe ill be lucky enough to buy one some day. but for the time being as of #, my friend and me put a zero in front of out number, and the number is of how many years we have had our car. like 04 for me. and we change it every year. like im gettin ready to get to 05. its number yes it looks like your tryin to froud another vehicle just remember your not faking if ur number has a totaly diffrent meaning.

i didnt mean to make it sound ok to do it, but if someone asks u be honest about it. everytime, remember ppl r more impressed about honesty then money and looks "well most ppl"

ORIGINAL: s281cobra


ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them.


hmm.....I think I would tend to disagree with you on this..............there are some saleen's that are one of a kind, not just because of a different "sticker".


if it came from a facotry, guess what? its not one of a kind... if you mod your car differently then ya it is, but as far as you are argueing... no the difference between A's black s-281 and B's black s-281 is the sticker (same options- not like it really matters anyway).... pretty easy concept

as for markdumbass... what exactly do you think the difference is then... other than parts, its the same car genious - with after factory "upgrades"... just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price...
think on that professor.

[as for markdumbass... Now what is the point of this? This nonsense has gone on long enough. Every post from the guy is garbage. Moderators....please ban this guy!

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

ORIGINAL: s281cobra


ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them.


hmm.....I think I would tend to disagree with you on this..............there are some saleen's that are one of a kind, not just because of a different "sticker".


if it came from a facotry, guess what? its not one of a kind... if you mod your car differently then ya it is, but as far as you are argueing... no the difference between A's black s-281 and B's black s-281 is the sticker (same options- not like it really matters anyway).... pretty easy concept

as for markdumbass... what exactly do you think the difference is then... other than parts, its the same car genious - with after factory "upgrades"... just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price...
think on that professor.


hmm 2003 Lizstick Red Saleen Cobra Speedster...................I think that is a little more different then just a sticker with any other S281 or Saleen Cobra.............

just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price...
think on that professor.

Oh enlighntened one....I think I've finally figured out why no one understands your lines of thinking. You have in fact schooled us. Other than the fact that many of us have taken collegiant economics of some form or another, it may just be because we are pondering on this issue too much without your superior thought process. Whatever your age or retirement status is, I vote we put in for a Professor Emeritus title for you as soon as possible. Before we do that though, let's work through a small exercise.

The year is 2002....Skippy (as we will refer to him) finally thinks to himself, "I'm going to stick it to the man and build my own Saleen S-281 Extreme and save....thousands, if not millions of dollars." So Skippy goes out and buys himself a used Mustang GT with very low miles and goes to work removing the hood, replacing interior, replacing the exhaust, violently tearing the engine down, etc.... It's not long before Skippy realizes, as soon as he turned the first bolt on his upper intake, he voided a warranty that still had 33,000 miles on it. Nonetheless, Skippy presses on. Skippy's systolic blood pressure went up 3mmHg once he got his car back from the garage that put his 3:55's in because Joe the Mechanic was hung over the day he installed them. Now the rear-end whines like Napa Valley because the 3:55's weren't shimmed correct. Finally, almost a year later, everything is in place and Skippy's Mustang GT looks almost identical to an OG 2002 Saleen S-281E. However, Skippy stops just short of vomiting every time he sees the car because he has countless hours invested, not to mention $18,000 cash, into the conversion. Skippy's only solution....."I'll sell the car and reap the reward of creating such a machine". But, Skippy soon finds out....no buyer wants to pay all that much for a Saleen S-281E that isn't really a Saleen S-281E. His highest offer for the car is $5,000 more than what a regular Mustang GT will sell for because, among other things, all of Skippy's potential buyers are not at all interested in having a one and half year-old car with 5,000 miles and no warranty.

Take a look the attached link and see what differentiates these cars from your garden variety Mustang GT. How much time and money do you think it would take to do it right?? To each his own....my time is worth a hell of a lot more than what it would take....and by the way, I'll sleep well at night knowing I've got the real thing that will maintain its resale value because it's UNIQUE.

Simple economics......ponder on that my friend.....Any questions!

2002 S-281E Specs (http://www.soec.org/datasheets/mustang/2002_s281e_dealer_spec.pdf)

I guess that's spanked Skippy good :)

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with modifying your ride and after all, not everybody can afford to drop coin on the real thing ;) There is a line though, and affixing a serial number to the fender is crossing that line.

Many moons ago I modified a European Capri V6 I owned to look [kinda] like a far more rarer version (RS3100). I never made the claim it was anything other than a modified stocker (Not even stickers or anything) and sold it eventually honestly. Anyway, a few years later I heard of a local RS3100 for sale, so went to see it. You can guess which car it was.......Yep, my old stocker.

Come on bran - stop the nonsense and just get onto non-flamatory posts! You are clearly of the DIY mindset, which is perfectly fine. This post has not only gone on way too long, but has gotten WAY out of hand. Stop arguing about what a Saleen is and what Saleen is not, and just move on.

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

ORIGINAL: s281cobra


[quote]ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

btw your saleens and our roushes arnt "one of a kind" - they are one of thousands with a different "sticker" on them.


hmm.....I think I would tend to disagree with you on this..............there are some saleen's that are one of a kind, not just because of a different "sticker".


if it came from a facotry, guess what? its not one of a kind... if you mod your car differently then ya it is, but as far as you are argueing... no the difference between A's black s-281 and B's black s-281 is the sticker (same options- not like it really matters anyway).... pretty easy concept

as for markdumbass... what exactly do you think the difference is then... other than parts, its the same car genious - with after factory "upgrades"... just like a DIY saleen with all the same parts added to it as a stock saleen... is a SALEEN..or a roush whatever, same parts... same brand... exactly identical cars... only two differences 1) a sticker 2) double the price...
think on that professor.


Here's the difference genious i have a 2000 saleen NADA high retail $23,000:; 2000 gt 11,975. my car stickered $36k ok so thats what $10k more than a loaded GT. Take a GT put a full saleen kit on, suspension, wheels, and the other stuff saleen adds on and don't forget labor. you'll be at least the $10K that i already spent getting the real saleen. Now lets both try and sell our cars today. Lets say i get $20k(average retail) for a loss of $16k. Lets say you get $13K(above average retail) for a Loss of the $10k you spent to build a fake and the $10k of depreciated value of your gt. Loss of $20k. So you lost $4 thousand dollars more than i did to have a fake saleen. Now even better lets hold onto our cars for 30 years and see what the difference in value is then. So if the cars are "exactly identical cars" why is yours worth less while spending just as much as i did? You lost more money DIY. "double the price". I 'm no professor but i can do basic math. All your arguements are senseless and full of ignorance about the car collector world, but its certain you are have your opinion, as uneducated as it may be, and i'll leave it alone since you're becoming a waste of my time.

ORIGINAL: sowaxeman

Hey TWIT - did it ever occur to you that those of us that choose to buy COLLECTABLE cars really aren't concerned with payments, or even HAVE payments [8D]

no payments here. [8D] I save my money first then buy. I don't need to be making other people rich off interest.

haha you little dip****s are funny, you berade, Im gonna piss on you... go cry somewhere else about your crappy stock internal **** with roots blowers, grow up and realize your wrong - stop tryin to a "fly bly" saying stupid unfounded sh!t...


b!tches

you think there is something differnet about your "lizstick red" 281 speedster, theres not - theres 100 more just like it. its a stock car, you bought that way just like everyone else...

and as far as mills281, kid please... I already demonstrated the economic and performance superiorty of a modified DIY GT, versus the factory modified GT you drive.... your like a little baby crying, making up things to make your self feel better. But since I guess my name is "skippy" now, Ill name you D!psh!t.. how about that D!psh!t, instead of posting pointless garble and trying to insult someone, post something meaningful - then you can join the disscuion, ok D!pSh!t?.. thanks

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

you think there is something differnet about your "lizstick red" 281 speedster, theres not - theres 100 more just like it. its a stock car, you bought that way just like everyone else...



Prove it show me the 100 more like it.

I dont have to prove anything, its common knowledge... its a factory car there are others like it.. unless you customozied it, its not one of kind

i realize yours is a cobra saleen, so it is more rare then theirs, but thats not the debate.. they are all "rare" respectively, they were saying "one of a Kind" which it is not, plus there are others who made an exactly replica of your car, their car my car etc... They said that simpley because it was a saleen it was one of a kind, which is just not true... for every factory saleen there there are 10 DIY ones. but anyway this is all besides the point... the underlying fact is that a mustang is a mustang.. a v-6, GT, roush saleen what have you.. they are not different cars, they jus thave different add ons... i dont know why juniors take offense to this, its just a simple truth. Its not a bad thing, it what allows many of us to afford our cars

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

I dont have to prove anything, its common knowledge... its a factory car there are others like it.. unless you customozied it, its not one of kind


You make a comment like that you'd better be able to back it up, if you can't your just speaking out of your AS*, and there is no weight to anything you say.

Back up your so called "common knowledge".............prove me wrong, if all you've got is that it's "common knowledge" that argument isn't going to fly with anyone.

BTW...............03-11 is the only Lizstick Red Saleen Cobra Speedster built.

So prove me wrong that there is another one exactly like...........I'll even give you the "sticker" difference, so prove your "common knowledge" of one exactly like it that just has different "stickers"

haha Whaa whaaa!!! lol, there are other cobra saleens, maybe not that color - still the same car - and Im willing to bet anything you want to bet others have copied it... also what about in 04? ... yea ok your right, your color option makes it a "completely different car" - haha... this thread is so juvenile its not even worth my time. Actually come to think of it I know of about 4 saleen speedsters that I have seen myslef that done the cobra motor and tranny swap...

but if it makes you feel better, youre right ok... now go to bed

common knowledge is that in some "crazy scheme to turn a pofit they made more than one" ... haha and there thousands of replicars done to full factory spec, with facorty parts... if you dont know that you dont go outside much

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

haha Whaa whaaa!!! lol, there are other cobra saleens, maybe not that color - still the same car - and Im willing to bet anything you want to bet others have copied it... also what about in 04? ... yea ok your right, your color option makes it a "completely different car" - haha... this thread is so juvenile its not even worth my time. Actually come to think of it I know of about 4 saleen speedsters that I have seen myslef that done the cobra motor and tranny swap...

but if it makes you feel better, youre right ok... now go to bed


Still no proof.....................prove me wrong I'm giving you the chance to......................if you can't I suggest you stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

in a hole, lol like I give a sh!t, haha Guess what NOBODY CARES!!!
I dont have to prove it, look at the production numbers.. was YOUR car THE ONLY cobra saleen speedster EVER MADE?!?!? _ NO so STFU, its not a complicated concept - but your having a very tough time here

as you said yourself, in post down the list your car is one of 16 - more in 04 and more that were coupes instead of verts, so why dont you show me how your car is the only one like it on the planet?!?! while your talkin out of your A$$

I love the fact that "Skippy" here is just "JEALOUS", green with Envy. I have no problem with clones, but I do have a problem with an idiot like "Skippy", that can't afford a real Saleen, trying to lower true Saleen owners down to his level. The very cars he's putting down are the cars being cloned.....My old Pappy once said..."Imitation is the Highest form of Flattery"....Thanks for the compliment....."Skippy":D

I have a roush not a saleen, Im not "putting down" the cars, that just your juvenile interpretation... why would I put down my own car... pretty stupid there slick... anyway you can cry all you want - the simple fact is (espically in your case 281sc) you could have had the exact same car for much less money if DIY, but sense you dont have the knowledge/ability, it safe to assume why you bought yours at the dealer... with the ****y charger and the non-forged internals.. that was a super smart buy! congrats.
And you think your car is anything other than the immataion of a proto type?- re-think your logic d!psh!t - its not 'immatation if you buy it from saleen/roush... all you did was have a shop (saleen) put it on for you...

Btw D!pSh!t, do those rims tread water?

yea im jealous in my stage 2 vert, that isnt butt ugly ROFL

OK guys, I've tried to reason with him. Since we all know his logic is absolute crap, please stop responding to him in thread and it this section - its obviously pointless. Since we don't have a section moderator (yet), I'll step up and say:

[sm=closed.gif]

Unless of course you want to flame & try to reason with yourself there Bran. Congrats on being the sections #1 Jacka$$. I just don't get it man - but whatever you have to do to feel good about yourself and drive up your worthless post count [8D]

MY GOD! More senseless arguements. I already showed you save nothing by doing a clone. The cost of all the parts plus labor, unless your a mech and paint and body specialist, is just as much as any s281. The point that most the saleen owners are making is "it's a clone" and in the world of car collecting a real saleen will always be worth more than any clone reguardless. I don't care if the cars are identical down to the ass print in the drivers seat a clone is clone and will not hold the same value. Look at what a shelby gt350 goes for vs a 65 fastback with gt350 parts on it. You tell any car collector the bull-**** your speading on this thread and i'll bet they'll have a cloned gt350 they'll sell you. Since its the exact same car i'm sure you'd be willing to pay authentic gt350 price...right? What exactly is your auguement? Why did you buy a roush if you could build the exact same car SOOOO much cheaper. Your own arguements are basically calling yourself an idiot. I never seen anyone stupid enough to augue a point to make themselves look stupid. Lets stop all this, i agree with you...your stupid. Now what's your next senseless arguement.

P.S. could you at least try to spell words close to how they are spelled. I suck at spelling myself but it took me 10 min to figure out what the **** immataion and 'immatation was really suppose to be.

Hey bransnotdaman move to SanFrancisco because you blow.......

this is a good one of yours

quote: "I dont have to prove anything, its common knowledge... its a factory car there are others like it.. unless you customozied it, its not one of kind". "end quote"

I have some aftermarket parts on my saleen....so now can say i have a one of kind car??? What if i put a sticker...say a number on the front bumper...a number noone else has that means its customized with something noone else has so that makes it one of kind. At least until someone clones my car and puts the same # on theirs then it would be 1 of 2. Do i have your thinking correct here. oh wait saleen put my sticker on so there are 1000s just like mine. So your saying as long as you put the aftermarket parts on yourself it can be one of kind but if saleen builds your car and your car is the only saleen that came with the options they put on it, it's still not one of a kind because saleen did it and not you. OOOOKKAAAYYYY gotcha! Again your comments make about as much sense as this paragragh. NONE!

Stop feeding the troll (borrowed that from our friend S281SC) ;) Its a waste of time. The Mods have been notified and I think the ban stick is on its way.

Until then, just click on BLOCK under his profile and all of his worthless posts will be hidden from you, and if everyone does this none of his posts will be read or responded to - making this section a MUCH better place.

And his car is NOT a real Roush, its a clone - hence the reason he thinks they are the same thing and just as valuable.

I can't help it...its so easy and fun. Although i feel less intelligent every time i try to comprehend his thought process so i guess i better stop before i reach his level. The fake roush explains a lot though. I will comply with your request. No more feeding from me. Peace in the saleen east.

haha your fukin dumbass little twit... you proved it was the same cost huh? HAHA ok little d!pSh!t... you go on believing that BS. also all of your posts just prove my point, that you are fukin idiots, if you buy the same factory parts and install them - its the same car you damn dumba$$, and that exactly right - the only thing different about your car is you little fag sticker on your rice mobile, its funny how you retards rationalize gettin fuked up your asses by dealers on cars, that arn't half of what they could have been had you invested the money on the mods yourself. My car is no less fake than anyone elses, I used Roush parts, therefore it is a roush. and actually SOWaxeman, member of a doush band who makes a ghey website in praise of himself and his stock car, my car is more valuable actually than a "real" roush (as you ignorant kids like to say) because guess what, I didnt pay half of what it would have cost me to buy THE EXACT SAME CAR at the dealer, so when you figure in that my car has just about 0 depreciation with my mods and mileage, my car is far more valuable... however I'd like to see you or any other snot nose crybaby on this thread go sell your car for more than you paid for it - ohh yea wait it wont happen... so think again kids - who's the dumbass?

now that is - the proverbial SMACK DOWN bitch... you wanna run your mouth some more? Show me that you can more for your car than you paid for it - then I will conceed that you all are right and I am wrong... until then I'll be holding my breath

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78
I'd like to see you or any other snot nose crybaby on this thread go sell your car for more than you paid for it - ohh yea wait it wont happen... so think again kids - who's the dumbass?

wait 30 years just like a numbers matching Mustang Boss will sell for multiple times more than the same car cloned from a smallblock or 6cyl.
I'm the 2nd or 3rd owner of my car I got it for $18k + trade. Total $25k-$28k. I could sell it for $40k with the miles I have on it from what i've seen on ebay and online price guides. I got it both ways though I got my '67 for 500 dollars, and my new car for less than I was looking at a new GTO or Vette.

[8D]

Hey skippy...you still suck. Is that a picture of you or your boyfriend.

Personally it is his problem, but if someone had my # on there car and I found out I would be pissed. I payed $57, 000 for mine, he didnt pay close to that. But whatever he wants to do is his choice. I think he should go a # higher tho in his production year of the last one made that year, just out of respect for someone else that actually has that one. My opinion.

PLEASE PLEASE Who ever is an adult and has any intelligence, Stop posting! Lets see who ends up continuing to post child like ramblings....I won't mention any names peanut butter.

hmm lets see if i wanted to clone my 02 over to a S281 sc

hmm
bodykit= $2,000
bodykit paint= $2,000
seats= $500 each ($1,000)
Engine= about $20,000
Saleen Rims= $2,000
New comp.= $800
Suspension= $1,500
Instrument cluster= $600
Brake Conv. Kit= $1,500
+ Transmission= about $2,000
-------------------------------------------- = $33,400

not including tax's or Tech fee's or the $12,000 i spent on my car. Dang $45,400+ and i cant even call it the real thing. hook me up SKIPPY!!!

Hey Skippy, why do you keep going back to the "money" card?? The people that buy Authentic Saleens are not concerned about the money, it's the poor as bastards like yourself that are pinching your pennies. Saleen owners spend the extra cash for "number" on the bumber that corresponds to the book with our name written in it the day our car is complete. It's called exclusivity!! The only place your numbers correspond to is your $20,000 yearly salary because that's all you can afford!! Peace!! I'm done with this guy!!
"Bumper" #777 OUT!!

hmm
bodykit= $2,000
bodykit paint= $2,000
seats= $500 each ($1,000)
Engine= about $20,000
Saleen Rims= $2,000
New comp.= $800
Suspension= $1,500
Instrument cluster= $600
Brake Conv. Kit= $1,500
+ Transmission= about $2,000


Is that a joke...? you think your transmission and engine are different? - that your computer is 800 LOL.... or that your brakes perform anything like a set of 1500 aftermarkets!!?!?! - or that you think it would cost me 2k to paint the body kit... you obviously have no idea about your car, or how much it costs to mod them - ohh thats right - your just a chimer with a v-6 - my bad


281sc- acutally the money card is at the heart of the matter - its called being intelligent and knowing what your buying - just because you waste money when you dont have to - doesnt make you savy, actually just the direct opposite. The other thing is - you keep saying im poor - or at least refering to you being careless of money - if that is your point - then you wouldnt buy a mustang - you'd buy a viper or ferrari - something much better than what you drive - lol with forged internals at least, guesss what kid - you didnt buy a SALEEN - you bought a mustang - with saleen parts on it - an S7 is a SALEEN... you drive a FORD... wake up dreamer. It also happens to be the same ford car that 10,000 other people drive just with different MOD parts on it... just because you can buy it that way - doesnt change the fact that is a modded GT - nothing more and nothing less... get off your imaginary high horse and quit sounding like a ricer - "its not a neon ... its and SRT"

- yea you are done.. so stfu

as for the 04 - Id like to see you sell that car for 40k...- not trying to bring you down - so please realize im not tryin to insult you - its just that the value that some refer to is not there - the fact is that you wont get anything close to a equivlant value - as would selling an identically modded GT

sorry the post above was mine... he forgot to log out on here

Here are the real numbers:
S281e Conversion kit including hood emblems everything ... 2750 shipped to your door
Paint labor and installation of kit by professional - 1050
Wheels and tires .. 1050 dollars to the door
Instrument cluster including boost gauges - 400 to your door
Engine rebuild w/ forged internals and KB 2.6 installed and tuned 7500
Recovered Seats with custom covering of entire interior w/ stichinng 1450
Custom exhaust with LT's, Magana packs, O/R H and center exit .... 550 installed
Brembo Front and rear brake kit 2800

2004 Sonic Blue Convertible GT with 19K miles on it w. mods including:
4.10 Ford Racing gear
Reclining and fully automatic Racing seats
75 mm Accufab TB and Plenum
BBK CAI
Paint Matched Interior pieces using oem paint
Classic Designs Light Bar
Steeda Stage 1,2,3 Suspension
Maganoflow Cat Back
Steeda Triax
2 piece tonnue
Diablo Chip
etc.....
17,000



Grand Total for car that will have all your saleens licking my balls not counting parts sold from stock car $34,550

So all this talk about clones .. I think that just muffs it .. I mean i did use saleen parts or better .. so not much you can say to that

haha... and mine cost less than his... the fact is they are jealous that they didnt THINK about what they bought...


if your so rich... I hope you buy something to put on that stock saleen you have that will allow you to least see my tail lights by the end of our (imgainary drag race)... :) cheers!


* all of this imaginary comparison is in addition to the fact that the DIY modded GT will stomp you stockers.... easily... and not to mention that if I had the 60k you spent on your car... haha man o man - id have purpleen- twin turbo totally tricked and an SUV on 24's - good use of your money BTW

Here are the real numbers:
S281e Conversion kit including hood emblems everything ... 2750 shipped to your door
Paint labor and installation of kit by professional - 1050
Wheels and tires .. 1050 dollars to the door
Instrument cluster including boost gauges - 400 to your door
Engine rebuild w/ forged internals and KB 2.6 installed and tuned 7500
Recovered Seats with custom covering of entire interior w/ stichinng 1450
Custom exhaust with LT's, Magana packs, O/R H and center exit .... 550 installed
Brembo Front and rear brake kit 2800

I wasn't going to post anymore but i gotta know where i can get real or even knock off saleen wheels w/tires for $1050 (considering the chrome knockoffs are $1k themselfs without tires and real ones are almost $2k) and if you pay $1050 for paint and install of the entire saleen bobykit they are doing it with a spray can, and best of all please, please tell me where i can get a built shortblock and a kb 2.6 installed and tuned for $7500 because since the kb 2.6 is over $5k itself and any forged shortblock will run $2500-3000 at least i guess the guys are doing the tuning and labor for free. Here's MPH's rates for just a 2.6 kb install and tune. no shortblock or labor for said shortblock install
MPH S/C Kenne Bell 2.6 Mongoose Kit $8,850.00
This is the KB 2.6 kit with install for 2 valve Mustangs. This includes install ,dyno tuning ,8 rib kit,oversized dampner,dyno tuning and shipping. A cowl hood is needed for this application and is not included in our pricing.

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

haha your fukin dumbass little twit... you proved it was the same cost huh? HAHA ok little d!pSh!t... you go on believing that BS. also all of your posts just prove my point, that you are fukin idiots, if you buy the same factory parts and install them - its the same car you damn dumba$$, and that exactly right - the only thing different about your car is you little fag sticker on your rice mobile, its funny how you retards rationalize gettin fuked up your asses by dealers on cars, that arn't half of what they could have been had you invested the money on the mods yourself. My car is no less fake than anyone elses, I used Roush parts, therefore it is a roush. and actually SOWaxeman, member of a doush band who makes a ghey website in praise of himself and his stock car, my car is more valuable actually than a "real" roush (as you ignorant kids like to say) because guess what, I didnt pay half of what it would have cost me to buy THE EXACT SAME CAR at the dealer, so when you figure in that my car has just about 0 depreciation with my mods and mileage, my car is far more valuable... however I'd like to see you or any other snot nose crybaby on this thread go sell your car for more than you paid for it - ohh yea wait it wont happen... so think again kids - who's the dumbass?



Have you ever heard of NADA. Your not argueing with us your argueing with the people that determine the value of our cars. You say your car is worth more than a real roush or saleen well i got news for you if you try to sell it for the same price i hope the buyer has cash because a bank will only loan the amount that is listed in KBB or NADA. Saleen has their own values listed in nada. Roush does not. So you know what your car is worth according to the atomotive industry....exactly the same price a GT. If saleen's are just another mustang why are they listed seperate. By the way you have smaked down noone. You have made no valid point about anything and contradicted half the stuff you said. You say you have a roush. Call roush and see what they say. Stop argueing with us we are not the ones saying what your car is worth and what its not. Argue with the banks or the people that determine a cars market value. All we are doing is telling you the facts. I can show you that a saleen is worth more than your car in a nationally recognized document. What can you proof. Oh wait you don't have to prove anything right...of course not..because you can't.

Please stop posting about this - it is utterly rediculous!!! Nobody is questioning whether Saleen Enthusiasts or DIY Mustang Modders are the smart ones here. To each his own. You all are letting one persons trolling start a damn warn on a board that is supposed to be about the sharing of helpful information about one type of car - the MUSTANG.

This is the SALEEN & ROUSH section - therefore if you are NOT a Saleen/Roush owner or Enthusiast, then please stop posting your opinions about why you think we are stupid or why are cars are (for some odd reason to you bran & akele) no more valuable than a cloned Saleen or Roush. That is not relevant and should not be the topic of a "blown out of proportion" topic in here. You don't see us in the 4.6L section (or whatever you drive) arguing the opposite in there do you[&:]

Now for the last time, PLEASE stop the nonsense and move on

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Ok .. he owns a roush .. I own a saleen .. your point is ?!

prove it!

Call them up:
Saleen, Inc. Headquarters
76 Fairbanks, Irvine,
California 92618-1602, U.S.A.
Tel: 949-597-4900
and
800-59-roush

I'd still to where i can get that 2.6kb and built shortblock for $7500. if you could get that to me that would great.



ORIGINAL: akelemecz

Ok .. he owns a roush .. I own a saleen .. your point is ?!

ORIGINAL: markw351


ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

haha your fukin dumbass little twit... you proved it was the same cost huh? HAHA ok little d!pSh!t... you go on believing that BS. also all of your posts just prove my point, that you are fukin idiots, if you buy the same factory parts and install them - its the same car you damn dumba$$, and that exactly right - the only thing different about your car is you little fag sticker on your rice mobile, its funny how you retards rationalize gettin fuked up your asses by dealers on cars, that arn't half of what they could have been had you invested the money on the mods yourself. My car is no less fake than anyone elses, I used Roush parts, therefore it is a roush. and actually SOWaxeman, member of a doush band who makes a ghey website in praise of himself and his stock car, my car is more valuable actually than a "real" roush (as you ignorant kids like to say) because guess what, I didnt pay half of what it would have cost me to buy THE EXACT SAME CAR at the dealer, so when you figure in that my car has just about 0 depreciation with my mods and mileage, my car is far more valuable... however I'd like to see you or any other snot nose crybaby on this thread go sell your car for more than you paid for it - ohh yea wait it wont happen... so think again kids - who's the dumbass?



Have you ever heard of NADA. Your not argueing with us your argueing with the people that determine the value of our cars. You say your car is worth more than a real roush or saleen well i got news for you if you try to sell it for the same price i hope the buyer has cash because a bank will only loan the amount that is listed in KBB or NADA. Saleen has their own values listed in nada. Roush does not. So you know what your car is worth according to the atomotive industry....exactly the same price a GT. If saleen's are just another mustang why are they listed seperate. By the way you have smaked down noone. You have made no valid point about anything and contradicted half the stuff you said. You say you have a roush. Call roush and see what they say. Stop argueing with us we are not the ones saying what your car is worth and what its not. Argue with the banks or the people that determine a cars market value. All we are doing is telling you the facts. I can show you that a saleen is worth more than your car in a nationally recognized document. What can you proof. Oh wait you don't have to prove anything right...of course not..because you can't.



obviously you didnt understand the post... it was talking about COMAPARATIVE values.... Im going to about 2x VALUE out my car, then you will... this is do to the fact that you paid 2x as much as I did.... I did not say that my car is worth more than yours in terms of final sale price... it's worth more in that I paid less and gets more money comparativly..

and I could show you were you could get a 2.6 and forged internals for 7500.... but now I don't like you - besides your rich right?

Sorry SaxMan..I'm Done!! Can't reason with ignorance anyway...That's clearly apparent!![sm=bangbang.gif]

BTW I finally checked out your WebSite.....Sweet Guitar collection[sm=icon_rock.gif]

Peace....[sm=americanasmiley.gif]

I read these guys posts, seems to me that you are the ignorant one

You mean you read your own posts Bran, er uh akelem, er uh ragin, er uh whoever you choose to be next after the ban stick hits ya [8D] You can't disguise yourself man - give it up. There can't possibly be 4 people in here with the same reasoning and childish mentality.

Jason-It looks like they are going to have to ban his IP address. That is what you have to do if they keep registering under new names.

I peronally don't want the guy to be banned - I just want him to stop the nonsense and post worth-while stuff. This whole topic has been blown WAY out of proportion. It all started with a simple question about where to place the bumper number on a clone, to which several of us replied (without hate, or flames or whatever) that it shouldn't be done. But if you go back to page one I clearly gave friendly advice on what number to use if he really wanted to. Nobody hated, flamed, called him out about immitation cars, nobody brought up money, power, speed, penis size or anything derogatory.

The bottom line is it doesn't matter what you drive, what kind of house you live in, how much money you make, how smart you think you are compared to others - all the matters is that you bought/drive what you wanted

So I'll ask agian in the spirit of what this website is all about - MUSTANGS - stop the nonsense fellas (or fella as it appears), and lets just all get along for piss sakes.

alright I guess I can agree with the sentiment for your last post... as for banning my IP - not gonna happen, I have an IP blocker on a rotating window. But put it this way, if you and others dont talk trash to me, I surely wont talk trash to you. I think it realy weak that somebody banned me anyway over our admittedly dumb arguement. So, all this aside I would like to use my orginal S/N again. Your an alright guy SOW, I was bustin your balls - but only becuase I was getn jumped by your "posse" :). haha anyway I really dont even care, as you said lets just move on

Fair enough by me man - so onward we move fellas :) And stick with Silverpimpn - it works with your car if I remember the pics correctly.

Just remember that this section is primarily visited by Saleen & Roush enthusiasts that take as much pride in their investments as have you in your DIY ride. We shouldn't be flaming each other, we should be respecting what each wishes to do regardless if its what someone else would have done. We can all coexist in here [sm=icon_cheers.gif] and opinions should always be read as just that - opinions. Nobodys is more right or wrong than the next.

I'd take back my anti Bransdaman post if I could, but its already been deleted [8D] Now that I feel much better after having played peacemaker, I'm going to go get some friggin sleep

Good man - thanks :)

I might on a v6 but atleast i can full understand the make-up and value of my car, before and after i dish out my cash. ya my v6 is slow for the rest of this week... Supersix Motorsports has a nice little Long Rod 3.8 Crate with my name on it. now plz explain to me how your 20k spent on tryin to clone pretty much the king of reasonably priced mustangs, is gonna compare to a 550hp V6. Im not sayin my car will be worth more than a TRUE saleen, but atleast im not tryin to copy anothers car. In pure honesty you couldnt pay me to take a clone. Hell id probably sell my car, my motorcycles, my gf, and maybe my mother for a Saleen but its not gonna happin.

I guess what im tryin to say is, your spending your money in the wrong way. yes the saleen look is amazing, but dont you think that the real car owner isnt gonna be alittle po'ed if theres a idiot driving around claming his clone as the real thing? what if he goes to sale it and the buyer has seen a clone with that badge number on that car, and didnt know it? Take your 20k spent on copying a car and build pure power beast. Heck I spent 8k on a V6!!! I know ppl call me crazy but I like the easy access and having TT in front of the engine on both sides will be breath taking, IMO. Your Saleen might go faster than a true one, but just remember after you total yours for being a idiot, ur car parts r nothing more then a Mustang GT.

urggh.... kids.....




OMG dont get me started on that one! -and what exactly do you think a saleen mustang is?:eek:

anyway not gonna waste my time anymore, since we called a truce ;)

Come on Trigg - we clearly called a truce on this matter, so why go down that road [&:]

well i'm glad thats over. No not really im still waiting for him to prove anything he said. For the record i paid 22k for my saleen 2 years ago. i was offered 20k for it last year. You do your magic math and see if your going to loss more money than me. Before you go assuming i paid x2 as much as you ask next time. I bet you didn't pay 11k for your car did you? What you don't understand about VALUE is all the money you put into your car is lost. Look at what market value is on your car then add up all your receipts and try and ask that price for your car. people will laugh at you. This isn't about my car or your car its about the fact that just because you put 10k into your car doesn't mean you can get 10k over market value. Like i said i've been building mustangs for 17 years. I have never made a dime on any of my cars and have lost thousands in aftermarket parts. I don't care if you have a clone, not one bit. My arguement is how you think you are going to make out over me because you built your car and i didn't. Ain't going to happen. You'll see when you try and sell your car you'll come out no better than i would. In fact, since i bought my car used i'll bet i come out way better than you. After 2 years i could still get 19k for my car so i would lose 3k. Where's your #'s? Come on lets see them and i'll drop it. I wanna see where your making out on this deal over me. Also for the recond, im in the military and far from rich. Another assumption your wrong about.

P.S. you show me where i can get a new 2.6KB+ professionally built forged shortblock installed and tuned for $7500 (without using your magic math calculator) and i'll admit to this whole website what a genius you are for building a "roush" instead of buying one.

ORIGINAL: RaginRoush

ORIGINAL: markw351


ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

haha your fukin dumbass little twit... you proved it was the same cost huh? HAHA ok little d!pSh!t... you go on believing that BS. also all of your posts just prove my point, that you are fukin idiots, if you buy the same factory parts and install them - its the same car you damn dumba$$, and that exactly right - the only thing different about your car is you little fag sticker on your rice mobile, its funny how you retards rationalize gettin fuked up your asses by dealers on cars, that arn't half of what they could have been had you invested the money on the mods yourself. My car is no less fake than anyone elses, I used Roush parts, therefore it is a roush. and actually SOWaxeman, member of a doush band who makes a ghey website in praise of himself and his stock car, my car is more valuable actually than a "real" roush (as you ignorant kids like to say) because guess what, I didnt pay half of what it would have cost me to buy THE EXACT SAME CAR at the dealer, so when you figure in that my car has just about 0 depreciation with my mods and mileage, my car is far more valuable... however I'd like to see you or any other snot nose crybaby on this thread go sell your car for more than you paid for it - ohh yea wait it wont happen... so think again kids - who's the dumbass?



Have you ever heard of NADA. Your not argueing with us your argueing with the people that determine the value of our cars. You say your car is worth more than a real roush or saleen well i got news for you if you try to sell it for the same price i hope the buyer has cash because a bank will only loan the amount that is listed in KBB or NADA. Saleen has their own values listed in nada. Roush does not. So you know what your car is worth according to the atomotive industry....exactly the same price a GT. If saleen's are just another mustang why are they listed seperate. By the way you have smaked down noone. You have made no valid point about anything and contradicted half the stuff you said. You say you have a roush. Call roush and see what they say. Stop argueing with us we are not the ones saying what your car is worth and what its not. Argue with the banks or the people that determine a cars market value. All we are doing is telling you the facts. I can show you that a saleen is worth more than your car in a nationally recognized document. What can you proof. Oh wait you don't have to prove anything right...of course not..because you can't.



obviously you didnt understand the post... it was talking about COMAPARATIVE values.... Im going to about 2x VALUE out my car, then you will... this is do to the fact that you paid 2x as much as I did.... I did not say that my car is worth more than yours in terms of final sale price... it's worth more in that I paid less and gets more money comparativly..

and I could show you were you could get a 2.6 and forged internals for 7500.... but now I don't like you - besides your rich right?

did a little math for you. Comparing my car to a cloned base model roush stage 1 with simular options as my car. 2000 saleen s281 sticker price 36k. Which means since i paid 2x as much as you according to you that comes out to be 18k for your car. Ok let the math lesson begin.
these #'s are from roush's website some are rounded up and some are rounded down and don't include tax:
Boby kit: 900
Wheel: 2000
tires: 500
dash: 400
shifter: 200
suspension: 1600 Not sure about this one but even if its half that the point will still be made.
CAI: 200
Exhaust: 900
computer tuning: 400 (a guess based on buying a hand help tuner)


total 7100 in parts. and doesn't include the little things like sticker kits, floormats, the tool kit, my 3.55 gear and guage pod options.
Average MSRP for a 2000 gt with simular options as mine, leather, power everything, etc is 24k
your at $31100. So if paid someone to install all said parts figure $2k for a good body shop to do paint and intall of the bodykit. And about another 1k to install the rest but since you can do it yourself i'm sure, i won't add that in. So your at 33100.00 invested in the car. Some how when i put that into a calculator thats not half of 36,000. Now. I'm sure you have more in your car than i have listed so this is not comparing your exact car to mine but instead showing you that you do not in fact come out ahead because the clone i just built in this little example will sell today for a lot less than my saleen. So in fact we would basically break even. The money you saved on your intial investment is a short term advantage and eventually i'll pass you because your car will depreciate at a faster rate than mine. I'm not even arging over the fact you say you have a roush, I DON"T CARE. Im arguing that some how you can look at these #'s and say that your car is "worth more in that I paid less and gets more money comparativly.. " WHERE? Where do you get more money out of your investment than mine? The car i discribed above would probably sell for 14-15K. So if i get at least 18k for my car where is this roush clone coming out ahead? Comparative is my car new was 36k and your gt new plus all roush stage one pieces is over 33K. Thats the initial comparision of 2 equally modified cars one DIY and one by saleen. The rest of the comparisions are determined by the market value of the cars 6 years later as indicated in NADA used car prices. Now a stock 2000 gt NADA's at around 11k and my saleen about 19k. Yes you can ask over NADA of the GT because it has some aftermarket peices on it. But you only got 7K in aftermarket parts that are now 6 years old. How much do you really think someone is going to give you. I'm sorry you cant see the facts right in front of you. I've made my point, good luck with the car.

When did this forum become jerry Springer? Can we please keep the dialog in a friendly mannor? This site is "supposed" to be for fun and information, not this garbage. I think it is really unfortunate that disagreement is handled in this way.

The Jazzer

I'm glad to see this thread calm down- that being said...

You CANNOT build a clone for half of what a real Saleen costs. That is, if you use the same starting baseline for both vehicles.

I know- its the first thing I looked in to.

By the time you add the body kit, interior pieces, suspension, wheels, tires, exhaust, labor to paint and install everything, you are within 5K of buying a new Saleen right off the lot.

Your clone won't have any more value than a stock GT.If your lucky- you can recoup a little bit back, but not much.

Im being friendly and informative. I'm trying to prepare this guy for a rude awakening when he tries to sell his GT for $25k and can't figure out why noone is interested. I've seen guys dump 30k in parts in a car and struggle to sell it for 25k. The car building habit is as bad a crack, spend a butt load of money to get a quick high and in the end your just wasting money.

The modern day equivalent of the movie War Games.....the only winning move is not to play;)

ORIGINAL: markw351

Im being friendly and informative. I'm trying to prepare this guy for a rude awakening when he tries to sell his GT for $25k and can't figure out why noone is interested. I've seen guys dump 30k in parts in a car and struggle to sell it for 25k. The car building habit is as bad a crack, spend a butt load of money to get a quick high and in the end your just wasting money.


Agreed.

Ok... since you asked for it... I bought my 03 vert with 8k miles for 16k out the door... the dealers value on my stock GT right now is 21k... which about what I have put in to it... Also you bought your saleen used --- the car still lost the value, just you didnt - doesnt "prove" anything other than you cant realize that somebody lost his a$$ on that car...

as for building a replicar .. it does only cost about 50-75% as much to - but you car will perform better... I know becuase I have personally conveted 3 mustangs - a honda - and an eclipse.... The numbers are easy to run, but Im not going to argue with simple math, so this is the last time i will expalin it to you -
03 GT vert - came with polished 17" and mach 1000 & leather- 16k
roush kit complete - 650 - paint 400
light bar 250
rim trade up - 200
4.10 and headers - 1000
roush gauges (lunar) - 200
CAI - pullies - 100
diablo - 200
no cats - free
side exhaust (custom) 120
HIDS - 200
race seats - trade
so there you go professor - a total of 19720 .. the stock value is above that - and I just got an offer last week for 26,500
- in addition I have a pristine low mileage - better performing - better looking ROUSH stage 2 vert (soon to be stage 3)
for less than HALF the cost easily - example - sticker on stage 3 at dale jarett ford new - 61,500 - my projected cost once FI - 4500

= 24,220 - and thats 400 rwhp with a 4.10 that will destroy a stock stage 3
and I can do a saleen just about the same price - the body parts cost me 1000 more to a saleen - but that includes an extreme hood , however the saleen sticker is 65000- not to mention that is before taxes on both cars...
You dont have to be an econmist to realize that when you pay middle men to do work for you that your going to pay a higher price.

but for the love of GOD just drop it!

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

but for the love of GOD just drop it!


Please

Nice thread, guys.

:)

I guess it just goes to prove "Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

OH MY GOD ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your whole arguement was based on the fact YOU got a good deal on a car and used parts. You don't even have a complete clone or anything roush but the body kit and guages! I was trying to be nice but that is just a retarded argument. I got news for you somebody lost there a$$ on your car too genius. Thanks for the laughs dude. You didn't build a roush, you built a shade tree mechanic mustang with used parts. I'm not dogging you for doing it, but what the hell was the point of your arguement. I can't beleave i wasted my time. I won't even comment on the rest of your list and the costs of some of them. I should have listen to everyone and stopped posting put finding out all this was SO worth it. God i can't stop laughing. I just want to meet the idiot thats going to give you 26k for your car without the supercharger. I can now leave this thread alone. Damn thats funny. All you had to say was "i got a good deal on my vert and modded it to look like a roush for a lot less than the real thing" and we could have avoided this retarded thread. WOW[sm=smiley36.gif]

are you 16? - can your read?

what exactly do you think is on a stage 2? .. and i forgot to mention my springs and LCA's....

again you are oblivous to the fact that my car out performs "real roush stage 2's" and will beat "stage 3's & your saleen" when I get my blower on...

body kit and gauges - and suspension and gear and full bolt ons ( more than the stage 2 had with its shorties) - you obviously cant read your cars sticker and see the mods that are on it...;)

ORIGINAL: S281SC

I guess it just goes to prove "Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."


see now this is the kind of post that gets sh!t started.... making personal attacks for no reason - did I call you an idiot?
mustang forums needs a boxing ring.

Stop it dude my stamach is starting to hurt i can't it. who's 16!!! boy oh boy when i get my this and that i beat you man just wait.

what do you run now? 13's :) hahahaha

ohh wait - you proably never been to the track anyway

you called alot of people a lot of things in this thread dude.

Dude you just showed me your mod list.....without a blower you aint running fast enough to talk sh!t about ETs

not to mention that you keep changing the arguement... can it be done better for less? YES... you lose case closed

who said the mustang was the only car I drive around....?

and I knew you hadn't been to the track

I have the same mods as you. DET DE DE! Put i bet your going to tell me yours is faster because you put them on.

ORIGINAL: markw351

you called alot of people a lot of things in this thread dude.


yea but did I say it first... no

you mean your not even supercharged?!?!?

haha thats rich!

I live 15 mins from Rockingham dragway and have been racing mustangs there for 14 years. I've built 7 mustangs since i was 17 from 13-10 sec cars. Don't try to compete with me your not even on the same planet.

No i'm not never said i was and that changes exactly what?

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

ORIGINAL: S281SC

I guess it just goes to prove "Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."


see now this is the kind of post that gets sh!t started.... making personal attacks for no reason - did I call you an idiot?
mustang forums needs a boxing ring.


Excuse me, but where exactly did I call YOU the idiot??? You're the one who continues to argue after:
1) being banned [sm=bangbang.gif]
2) posting "but for the love of GOD just drop it! " :eek:

And I'll BET that you have to post a response to this as well, as you just can't seem to "just drop it", and HAVE to have "the last word"... It's up to you to prove me wrong on that. ;)

Keep em coming dude you can't beat me here or at the track.

I just read your mods... and lets see I have a 4.10 - u have a 3.55 - I have long tubes - you have...nothing... i have no cats - pullies throttle mod - diablo.... you are "hopefully" gettin a 2.1 - man o man you are fun

Everytime someone posts in this thread, God kills a kitten

[&o][&o][&o][&o][sm=smiley11.gif]

ORIGINAL: S281SC

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

ORIGINAL: S281SC

I guess it just goes to prove "Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."


see now this is the kind of post that gets sh!t started.... making personal attacks for no reason - did I call you an idiot?
mustang forums needs a boxing ring.


Excuse me, but where exactly did I call YOU the idiot??? You're the one who continues to argue after:
1) being banned [sm=bangbang.gif]
2) posting "but for the love of GOD just drop it! " :eek:

And I'll BET that you have to post a response to this as well, as you just can't seem to "just drop it", and HAVE to have "the last word"... It's up to you to prove me wrong on that. ;)


now wasnt your last post a direct contradiction?!?! .... and the quote above shows exactly where... do you have a short term memory?

ORIGINAL: markw351

Keep em coming dude you can't beat me here or at the track.


HAHAHAAHA.... :D

Here's the rest chode. bassani headers, off road X-pipe, c&l plenum, 75mm TB, TKO 600, ram clutch, steeda Upper/lower control arms subframes, CAI, saleens comes with pullies, cat-back and a reflashed ECU. Now what!

ok correction i was wrong you do have headers? - but they are proebly shorties

I hate kittens!!

if they are long tubes then we are even.... but I still have drop top :)

I'd like some of those $1800 Roush rims for $200. I love those things. But how's that possible??? :(

And added weight therefore slower, chash and burn with pride dude.

You should have got out while you were ahead!

well your car makes less power than my o3 stock for stock and i have a better tranny... for all i know your in an auto - in addition Ill out drive you... and I can always put on the bottle for 400 bucks


the rims were cheap because - A i got em used and B i sold my stockers for a nice price

you mean the added 200lbs...? well not so much bc of my racing seats and deletes

where's a good place to look for them? I was thinking of doing my '67 in a Roush or Saleen theme.
thanks.

DUDE my s281 is rated at 285hp. your 03 is 260. Come on man you gotta do better than that

Oh by the way every 100lbs is adding a .1 in the 1/4 mile

yea that would be cool... I like that elanorish type look... try ebay and your local mustang traders, newspaper (sometimes) If I were to do an oldy mustang like that - I would look to gone in 60's for my model

ORIGINAL: markw351

DUDE my s281 is rated at 285hp. your 03 is 260. Come on man you gotta do better than that

ya my friend almost got one of those. It had full borla exaust, pullies, gears, short shifter, and cold air kit stock.

ORIGINAL: markw351

DUDE my s281 is rated at 285hp. your 03 is 260. Come on man you gotta do better than that


wrong.. your 2000 GT is rated at 260 - but produces a good deal less, my 03 GT makes about 15 more ( like I said STOCK for STOCK) - so with equal mods my car has more power (in a perfect world)...

so mark is she an auto and do you have LTs?

but I shouldnt have to point out to you that 20-30 hp doesnt mean you would "win" - lol

ya I was thinking of mixing the elenore kit with the stock shelby kit. I don;t like those piaas near the headlights so much but like the front bumper. This guy is also a big inspiration:
http://myspace-018.vo.llnwd.net/00448/81/02/448522018_l.jpg
I don't like that hood though

i liek that car.. the colors not so much.. but you could definitly have a bad a$$ ride there... I think on older cars it is more important that the fit and finish is PERFECT - then necessarily body mods and such

DUDE you cant win. I gave you my whole mod list a few post up. Look at it. While your add it look up what my saleen S281 is rated at. 285

yep you right 14 years drag racing experience does!

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

but I shouldnt have to point out to you that 20-30 hp doesnt mean you would "win" - lol

son please..I already won, IT CAN BE DONE BETTER FOR LESS MONEY- you lose - no if ands or butts about it... just go take and nap and color

BTW - rating is different than actual power ;) , but believe what makes you feel better

i shouldn't have to point out to you that you lose 20% horsepower through an automatic vs 15% through a manual.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

i liek that car.. the colors not so much.. but you could definitly have a bad a$$ ride there... I think on older cars it is more important that the fit and finish is PERFECT - then necessarily body mods and such

The guy did it was a tribute to the Trans Am racing Mustangs, the Teradega one specificly which was yellow and black hood area. Lots of guys did the black hood but some didn't black out the headlight buckets, which I wouldn't do either.

nice come back dude.

found it
http://www.cobracountry.com/CCMkt-fotos/Poster11-TerlinguaTerror.jpg

Are you challenging me to a car build off. That would be mistake #2
ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

son please..I already won, IT CAN BE DONE BETTER FOR LESS MONEY- you lose - no if ands or butts about it... just go take and nap and color

BTW - rating is different than actual power ;) , but believe what makes you feel better

If i wanted to build a car just to out run you i would with ease for a lot les than 20k

ORIGINAL: markw351

If i wanted to build a car just to out run you i would with ease for a lot les than 20k

I got my '67 for $500 [8D] :)

beleave what makes me feel better.......aren't you the guy that beleaves he has a roush

was this your best effort to not look like such a tool.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

son please..I already won, IT CAN BE DONE BETTER FOR LESS MONEY- you lose - no if ands or butts about it... just go take and nap and color

BTW - rating is different than actual power ;) , but believe what makes you feel better

ORIGINAL: markw351

i shouldn't have to point out to you that you lose 20% horsepower through an automatic vs 15% through a manual.



you your point is what? I have a 5spd

ORIGINAL: markw351

was this your best effort to not look like such a tool.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

son please..I already won, IT CAN BE DONE BETTER FOR LESS MONEY- you lose - no if ands or butts about it... just go take and nap and color

BTW - rating is different than actual power ;) , but believe what makes you feel better





this is your best effort, to show reason that you won an arguement?

Well time to go. thanks again for the laughs.

yah your own favorite comedian

nope anyone that reads this thread knows i won this argument pages ago.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

ORIGINAL: markw351

was this your best effort to not look like such a tool.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

son please..I already won, IT CAN BE DONE BETTER FOR LESS MONEY- you lose - no if ands or butts about it... just go take and nap and color

BTW - rating is different than actual power ;) , but believe what makes you feel better





this is your best effort, to show reason that you won an arguement?

I got an idea lets park next to eachother and see who is the crowd favorite

did you find my mod list?

haha you keep telling yourself that... lol

meanwhile Ill be pimpin my CONVERTIBLE... that I paid less for


yea I sure did... ROFL

for the love of GOD close this thread!

WOW you sure you want to go there. The pics of my car do nothing for it. I hate to see you lose another battle to me. But keep trying young jedi someday you'll become a master.

haha man, arnt you late for school? lol


yea pics do "do" nothing - once we agree

Jedi....? OMG are you a treky!

whats the matter you trying to excape the massecue you created for yourself.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

for the love of GOD close this thread!

hey look - you obviously tryn to think too hard for your fragile little mind.. you "win" ok... now go to bed

ORIGINAL: markw351

whats the matter you trying to excape the massecue you created for yourself.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

for the love of GOD close this thread!




the massecue... haha yea thats it!

wow you are in your own little world aren't you. Thats STAR WARS.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

Jedi....? OMG are you a treky!

dude im at work. I mean i can play on the internet all day but take a nap...i think that wouldn't go over to well.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

hey look - you obviously tryn to think too hard for your fragile little mind.. you "win" ok... now go to bed

your trying really hard to get the last word so go ahead. I'm pretty sure i have nothing left to prove here. at least for today:)

... you dont even warrant a response :eek:




- taco bell lets you play on the interent?!

Well..its fine to call each other out..but Mark does have a pic of his car..where is yours, Silverpimpn???

do you really want me to embarass him that bad?



haha yea I should.. here you go

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c72/mustangtuningemail/IMGP0196.jpg

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[IMG]http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c72/mustangtuningemail/roushinterior.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c72/mustangtuningemail/IMGP0195.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c72/mustangtuningemail/IMGP0203.jpg


good night sonny jim... better luck next time

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c72/mustangtuningemail/roushinterior.jpg

some are older than others

i teach people how to work on million dollar aircraft. I just dont have a class right now. but good one.......really
by the way nice car. But i'm certainly not embarassed. I've seen lots of silver roush verts(i mean gt's with roush body kits) or real roushs either way.
Now find me another authentic Bright atlantic blue saleen coupe. Good luck i believe there are only 4 others ever built (by saleen of course).
I bought the car because i never saw one like it before. Unlike you i like to have something that stands out and gets noticed and comments like man what color is that and is that a custom paint job. I get to tell them no it's one of 5 saleen coupes ever built in this color. What do you say? I get comments about the car driving down the road all the time. My favorite was last time i was as rockingham dragway the anouncer started talking about my car....yea you say well thats his job.....yep except i wasn't even racing i was driving through the pit area to park. You have a nice car...i would hope so after all the crap you talked. Would i take over mine.....you couldn't pay to.
ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

... you dont even warrant a response :eek:




- taco bell lets you play on the interent?!

your car is ugly... sorry mark

& that is by NO means a custom paint job... at all

another new name i see. Thats ok i have had one other person say they didn't like the color. That makes 2 unless you start counter all your alter egos. I didn't buy the hoping others would like it anyway.

DO YOU READ???? i never said it was. People ask if it is all the time because its an uncommon color.

ORIGINAL: redo3GT

your car is ugly... sorry mark

& that is by NO means a custom paint job... at all

This guy is too damn funny. He can't get anyone else to agree with him so he keeps on registering under other names to try and make lit ook like he's not alone. Classic.

ORIGINAL: redo3GT

your car is ugly... sorry mark

& that is by NO means a custom paint job... at all

You're insane. Next to the fake black Cobra Saleen I saw the other week its the best color I've ever seen on a Saleen coupe. I even said so here. http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2365988/tm.htm Although I think the silver wheels a a bit better on it than the chrome.

ORIGINAL: Silverpimpn

do you really want me to embarass him that bad?



haha yea I should.. here you go

good night sonny jim... better luck next time

niiice. Those weren't the rims I want though. I like these ones. Cast silver not chrome.
http://www.need-4-speed.com/roush12.jpg

have you seen one in person? I can't seem to get the color to look as good in pics. The color really pops in the sunlight and i think the chrome wheels add to it. I'm not a fan of chrome on most colors myself but on this color i love them.

ORIGINAL: Tas


ORIGINAL: redo3GT

your car is ugly... sorry mark

& that is by NO means a custom paint job... at all

You're insane. Next to the fake black Cobra Saleen I saw the other week its the best color I've ever seen on a Saleen coupe. I even said so here. http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2365988/tm.htm Although I think the silver wheels a a bit better on it than the chrome.

ORIGINAL: markw351

have you seen one in person? I can't seem to get the color to look as good in pics. The color really pops in the sunlight and i think the chrome wheels add to it. I'm not a fan of chrome on most colors myself but on this color i love them.


No not that I remember. I saw the one that guy is selling I linked to and love it. http://www.mustangforums.com/upfiles/55889/18EAA81A8DAC4310B4C550A69060D809.jpg
My favorite pic he took though I think is in the shade. In the sun everying is a bit too brite.

that car is actually atlantic blue not bright atlantic blue. My car is a brighter color hence the name i guess. Another fovorite of mine though. A bit more common than mine. There's one for sale at a dealer in town that color.

ORIGINAL: markw351

that car is actually atlantic blue not bright atlantic blue. My car is a brighter color hence the name i guess. Another fovorite if mine though. A bit more common than mine though. There's one for sale at a dealer in town that color.

Oh? ok. I'd like to see a Saleen Mach1 with its funky oldschool colors but I don't think they made any.

no but i do think roush made a mach 1. I saw one before but don't know if roush actually made it. It looked tough.

ORIGINAL: markw351

no but i do think roush made a mach 1. I saw one before but don't know if roush actually made it. It looked tough.

Roush's never seemed as special as Saleens with their stock bumpers and C-pillars. Although in their defense they focused less on aesthetics and more on drivetrain/suspension parts. I love their 99-04 wheels. As you've read [8D]:)

well my buddy mr. redo3, silverpimpin or whatever he called himself has his old name back. Oh nice. You know arguing or i should say debated a topic is fun to me. I don't have a problem with anyone trying to defend their opinion with good information, but when you start calling people names and being a dick you should be gone. I didn't have a problem with Brad or whatever his name is but he threw the first stone by call someone a twit and basically calling people stupid for buying a saleen/roush and then has no constructive comments to back up his claims. He wasn't arguing a point he was just arguing. Then he goes crying to admin saying he was just doing what everyone else was doing. Its good reading you all should check it out under the redo03gt name. Its cool this was fun while it lasted.

im not gonna argue with you read the full thread ... I insulted no one first

that being said lets get along

really! enough said

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

haha I got your young punk hangin low... btw enjoy those extra payments on your GT's with body kits and superchargers - lol you twits are funny

Alright for the last f**king time, stop the madness. Bran & I (on behalf of MANY of us on here) cleared the air, made amends and called a truce last night. I go to bed, to work and come back to 4 pages of this bullsh*t, started by a few Saleen guys that can't seem to just let it go. Brans back, and rightfully so - it takes a man to make amends, so could the few of you that created these last 4 pages POSSIBLY do the same. Stop posting these silly arguments. Its doesn't matter who is right or wrong, or who can prove what. You have turned this into the biggest MY C*CK IS BIGGER THAN YOUR C*CK thread - its pointless.

read the whole post.... not just sections that fit you

im done - keep it up and ill report you - ( a condition of my renstatment is that I dont insult people) - which is the right way to be - I am supposed to turn in any and all - rather than keep up this nonsense

ORIGINAL: sowaxeman

Alright for the last f**king time, stop the madness. Bran & I (on behalf of MANY of us on here) cleared the air, made amends and called a truce last night. I go to bed, to work and come back to 4 pages of this bullsh*t, started by a few Saleen guys that can't seem to just let it go. Brans back, and rightfully so - it takes a man to make amends, so could the few of you that created these last 4 pages POSSIBLY do the same. Stop posting these silly arguments. Its doesn't matter who is right or wrong, or who can prove what. You have turned this into the biggest MY C*CK IS BIGGER THAN YOUR C*CK thread - its pointless.




hehe wanna measure ;)...


I know right just let it go

Nope, no more measuring or proving anything [8D]

i'm guessing someone is twisting your arm to read all the pages aren't they. Just because you let someone talk to like that doesn't mean i do. If someone is going to post something in these threads that is misleader to others they should have to present some sort of basis for the comments. He could have stopped posting if he had truely wanted to "clear the air". He didn't. This problem stated with you and him if you wanted it to stay between you and him you should have taken it to PM's. I tried to end this thread he kept coming back for more. I can't help it if likes the abuse.

ORIGINAL: sowaxeman

Alright for the last f**king time, stop the madness. Bran & I (on behalf of MANY of us on here) cleared the air, made amends and called a truce last night. I go to bed, to work and come back to 4 pages of this bullsh*t, started by a few Saleen guys that can't seem to just let it go. Brans back, and rightfully so - it takes a man to make amends, so could the few of you that created these last 4 pages POSSIBLY do the same. Stop posting these silly arguments. Its doesn't matter who is right or wrong, or who can prove what. You have turned this into the biggest MY C*CK IS BIGGER THAN YOUR C*CK thread - its pointless.

If you both just wanna let it go why are you still in here?

ORIGINAL: bransdaman78

ORIGINAL: sowaxeman

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