LOL, fordfanboy... Please tell me then what that 30-40rwhp is used for, oh wait you say it's used for sound and not performance! Now it all makes sense to me, NOT!
Brenspeed has a write-up with dyno graphs from THEIR testing on the website. It is in the TECH section. I have faith that Brent is not blowing smoke up my arse.
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LOL, fordfanboy... Please tell me then what that 30-40rwhp is used for, oh wait you say it's used for sound and not performance! Now it all makes sense to me, NOT!
My personal opinion is the gains could be seen with the stock cams too with an agressive tune but that's just my opinion. When I see numbers from people doing comparitve before and after dynos who aren't trying to sell them, I might change my mind.
I have seen people go to a custom tuner and make 40 more hp without adding a single mod dozens of times. I'm just not convinced it is purely the cams alone. Like I said, just my opinion...
< Message edited by fordfanboy -- 11/4/2006 1:36:02 PM >
I've read that mild cams are better for Turbo or SC applications. Radical cams are supposed to be much better in the NA world. Even Comp Cams recommeds the stage II for the SC / NOS cars but not the III or IV.
I've also read that the BBR cams are regrinds and do-not use VVT (variable valve Timing) as the Comp Cams do.
Has anyone heard good-bad on the Crower's? They are a good company but their spring are $200 mosre than the Comp. I'm sure if they only come with Titanuim retainers (Optional on the Comp).
I only know of one guy with the crowers and unfortunately, he had a pretty serious clearance problem with them. It is GJP05, he is a member hear sometimes and you can PM him for more information on his opinion on them.
Look at the sig..(MusicCityGT's)...he has a custom tune on his stock cams + intake + exhaust. He's not trying to sell anything. This is his personal daily driver he's modding. His before/after dyno results will be good trustworthy information.
Yes I am interested in there results please post and let us know.
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Yeah I'm sorta pumped to see what you come out with, because cams are on my "Possible" Mod List for the future. There's just not any Dyno#'s out there at all, except from Brenspeed of course.
I expect an update from Brenspeed tomorrow on a delivery date, then I will schedule a pre-cam dyno-run for a baseline. I was at 305/333 before my L/T's and UDP's.
Well the cams are delivered. I went to a dyno last night for a baseline of where it stands now and pulled 306 rhp. This is a different dyno than the one I have used previously. This one is used by several local race teams including Sadler brothers from the busch series. I will install the cams next week and hit the same dyno as last night so I can get the gains. That is scheduled for next Saturday. The dyno is sae corrected etc. and is very consistant, so the numbers should be a true reflection of gains. I will post both sheets up then.
Well the cams are delivered. I went to a dyno last night for a baseline of where it stands now and pulled 306 rhp. This is a different dyno than the one I have used previously. This one is used by several local race teams including Sadler brothers from the busch series. I will install the cams next week and hit the same dyno as last night so I can get the gains. That is scheduled for next Saturday. The dyno is sae corrected etc. and is very consistant, so the numbers should be a true reflection of gains. I will post both sheets up then.
Do they still use the factory variable cam timing with the comps, I thought it was mentioned just not sure if it is able to be tuned?
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Well the cams are delivered. I went to a dyno last night for a baseline of where it stands now and pulled 306 rhp. This is a different dyno than the one I have used previously. This one is used by several local race teams including Sadler brothers from the busch series. I will install the cams next week and hit the same dyno as last night so I can get the gains. That is scheduled for next Saturday. The dyno is sae corrected etc. and is very consistant, so the numbers should be a true reflection of gains. I will post both sheets up then.
Do they still use the factory variable cam timing with the comps, I thought it was mentioned just not sure if it is able to be tuned?
i'd assume so. however, with different cam profiles, i can imagine it can be "tuned out" or set to a different RPM at least as not only would the variable timing probably cause some timing issues, the goddamn spanish oak would probably not work too well.
IS IT HARD TO INSTALL CAMS TO OUR CARS? can i install on my driveway?
easier than on a pushrod motor, i can tell you that for sure. i can imagine if you had the time, the tools, and the know-how, you could do it in your driveway. it's not that much of an extensive process. not exactly a CAI/tune job either. just make sure you know exactly what your doing and have the tools.
btw musiccity, are those cams profiled with much overlap? cause i wanna hear some LOPE!
It should have a decent lope to it, but still won't sound like a pushrod motor. As for the variable cam timing, yes, they are designed to be used with it so it does not need to be shut off. They played with a lower rpm advance built into the cam profile to work in conjunction with it.
Is it an easy install? NO. The ford tech site quotes 9 hours. You have to use two special tools, one to keep tension on the chains tensioners ( a wedge of sort on the end of a long rod that slips down into the timing cover) and a tool (specific to the 3 valve, $275 from a dealership) to compress the springs and remove three specific rockers in a sequence before unbolting the cams. You have to remove these rockers and then rotate the cams 180 degrees before removal and then reverse the process. You also have to come up with a way to thread into the 16mm spark plug holes and apply compressed air into the cylinders so that the valves don't fall in. Fortunately BRENSPEED now has an adapter that goes from 14mm to 16mm so you can use a compression guage etc. on our cars for this purpose. After all is said and done I will supply the ford specific instructions in a thread.
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