Was cruising in my 2000 TA RA WS6 the other night, and went to meet up at local spot where everyone hangs out. I met up with some local guys that have stangs and camaros.I was there for a few minutes when a new 2004 WRX sti rolls in. This dude had like 4 people in his car and he was acting all hard. All the ricers are in awe, at his ugly 4dr car. Well anyways he rolls up to me and my buds. He looks around and asked this dude in a 2002 gt stang w/intake if he wanted to run. so he agreed and a few guys including me head out to go to the race spot. they do a 3 honk race, and they were off. The STI probably took the guy by about1.5 carlenghts. I didnt know these things were that fast, so i asked him if he wanted to run. so we do the same a line up, do the 3 honk, and we were off. in first he had me by a bumper, in 2nd i pulled even, we went up to about 95mph and we let off. we were neck and neck, he maybe had a good foot ahead of me. I never knew these 4 dr's were that quick?? i just recently looked them out and found out they run low 13's stock. Ive never seen one on the road till that day. Has anyone encountered one yet?? Ive been reading more about them and found out there was a turbo upgrade that could get them in the low 12's. </P>

i have heard they are quick, i ran an 03 a while back and took him.. i heard the 04 was a little quicker..

wrx is nothing compared to the 300hp sti.

Basic WRX (02-04) isn't all that fast - 227/217 or something like that. STi has a lot more power - 300/300. I'd like to line up with one at a track some day. After I get a cage. I could have 3 of my car for what they spent on the STi though. :)

Chrisle, your LS1 should of RAPED him from a roll. That's where LS1's make all their power...

Yea I would of thought after 60mph or so you would of pulled away from him...

Yeah I agree, something isn't right with your puppy if you got shocked from a roll by an STi.

<FONT size=3>Just to let you know the reason I think they are so fast is because the engine that is in them is a "Porsche Boxster" engine. The same exact one. So ya not a lot of peeps can take them.</FONT>

Justin, I respectfully must say you don't know what you're talking about.

Subaru engineers (years and years ago) studied what Porsche was doing and learned as much as they could from the engineers at Porsche. But that's as far as their relationship goes. Subaru doesn't buy engines from Porsche.

Subaru engines aren't 'Boxter' engines. They are boxer engines. There's a difference. The boxer designation comes from the fact that it's a flat engine and the pistons move toward and away from eachother like they're boxing.

The current Boxter engines are both 6 cylinders. ALL of the Impreza engines are 4 cylinders, 2.5L NA in the TS/RS/OBS models, 2.0L Turbo in the WRX, and 2.5L Turbo in the STi (North America anyway). The Legacy has the 2.5L NA as well as the 3.0L flat 6, and soon enough (now?) there will be a 2.5L Turbo in the Baja (and it'll float over to the Legacy for 2005 I've heard). The Forester has the 2.5NA and 2.5 Turbo.

Boxter engines also aren't all that powerful when compared to the turbo 4bangers from Subaru.

Ok school's out for now.

i raced the guy from a stop, not from a roll. maybe it was just a bad race for me. but i have to admit, those sti's give you a run for your money.i am looking into ordering some exhausts?? which exhaust is goodfor an ls1??

i raced the guy from a stop, not from a roll. maybe it was just a bad race for me. but i have to admit, those sti's give you a run for your money.*i am looking into ordering some exhausts?? which exhaust is good*for an ls1??


SLP has a nice setup for LS1's.

GMMG! Both my F-body friends have this on the cars. They are by far the best sounding exhausts I have ever heard on f-bodies. One guy has it on his lt1 with headers, freeflow cats, and the GMMG on the end. And the other has an ls1 and is putting jet hot header and y-pipe along with it. The exhaust is a little pricey but it sounds incredible!!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley1.gif border="0">

I agree, it does sound REALLY good.

It may sound good but you cant fade my wicked V6! Im about to get my Saleen body kit and ill be running circles around those Sti's and Cobras!!!

91 V6? did you replace the factory 4cylinder for a six, and why, the amount of wire harness and drive train work would have been just as much work as a 5.0 conversion, just curious because I've never heard of a fox body 87-93 6cylinder. As far as you guys talking about the STI, I smoked one so bad that I laugh at him everytime I see him now. Something doesn't sound right with the WS6 vs the STI, the turbo would prevail from a roll, but from a stop, the V8 would do much better, but would probably loose. My friend has raced thisT/A 4 times now with several winesses with his stock 03 Cobra. The WS6 is an 02 model with flowmaster exhaust and 3:73's, Everytime, the stock Cobra walked on him. My point is that the Sti is pretty close to the Cobra(within a half second in the quarter) and the WS6 modified couldn't keep up with the Cobra. I really like the WS6's so don't get me wrong, I'm just saying that the Sti would give it a much better run than against an 03 snake. They raced several different times because of arguing and he lost by far everytime, so it wouldn't surprise me if it lost stock vs stock against an STi, my car has a much better edge with more power and torque to balance out the difference in traction between the two. Mytwo cents.

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Yeah Redneck I do no how much a half second is and it's not much, maybe on a peice of paper it does, but on the street, a half second doesn't promice anyone a win. My point of the half second difference wasn't that one was a half second faster, but that they both average within a half second difference in multiple different tests, the STi winning some and the Cobra winning some. I truly know the Cobra is faster, but the tests between the two seem to vary within a half second or so, maybe that explains my point a little better!

A half of a second guarantees me a win, not sure about your driving skills though. Kinda hard to screw up a half second advantage. I know what you mean, but .5 seconds is carlengths, not a few feet.

Never lost a race in the snake yet, and nothings garanteed bro, you are way to confident with yourself, that causes lost races. I've seen many cars jump a few car lengths off the line and loose in the end. I let people jump off the line all the time to see what they have just like the 03 STI, and just pass them when I can lay down full throttle. My driving skills are fine, I'm just more realistic than you and don't assume I can win. I'm not sure where we are going with this but whatever, I disagree, a couple car lengths doesn't mean anything till you win. If I ran against your Mach, you would probably be able to get a lead off the line because I have toride the clutchinto mid second, but after that at full boost/throttle I'd still catch up and pass you( that's saying both cars are stock of course). I guess we will never agree on this one bro!Ha,Ha<IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>

I've seen many of them at the track, and they average 13.1-13.3 bone stock with a proper launch. If you race them out of the hole and they launch hard, you're toast off the line, at least I would be especially on the street. From a roll, they aren't quite as fantastic. But from a dig, these things can very very easily put down low 1.7 second 60' times on factory tires! I'm jealous of their AWD. Wish I had it. Big difference between the sti's and the standard wrx's.</P>

Never lost a race in the snake yet, and nothings garanteed bro, you are way to confident with yourself, that causes lost races. I've seen many cars jump a few car lengths off the line and loose in the end. I let people jump off the line all the time to see what they have just like the 03 STI, and just pass them when I can lay down full throttle. My driving skills are fine, I'm just more realistic than you and don't assume I can win. I'm not sure where we are going with this but whatever, I disagree, a couple car lengths doesn't mean anything till you win. If I ran against your Mach, you would probably be able to get a lead off the line because I have toride the clutchinto mid second, but after that at full boost/throttle I'd still catch up and pass you( that's saying both cars are stock of course). I guess we will never agree on this one bro!Ha,Ha<IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P>


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Had to do some research, I thought you drove an sti, because I was gonna say that you would not catch back up with me and pass me.lol... If you race against a car that you should be able to beat by three car lengths and you lose, its time to learn more about racing automobiles. Now, not to say that if someone jumped out first before you realized the race was happening you wouldn't lose, because then thats understandable. But if I take someone to the track that can run a 13.7 consistantly(half second behind my time), I know for a fact I will have no problem beating him, and I don't even have to slam the gears. My worst time ever so far inmy current stock mach 1is a 13.5, and I missed third gear, so speak for yourself. GUess you are right though, we won't agree. Gone to Sonic to get some icecream...peace................<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0"></P><edited><editID>redneck101</editID><editDate>37999.8688194444</editDate></edited>

Justin, I respectfully must say you don't know what you're talking about.

Subaru engineers (years and years ago) studied what Porsche was doing and learned as much as they could from the engineers at Porsche. But that's as far as their relationship goes. Subaru doesn't buy engines from Porsche.

Subaru engines aren't 'Boxter' engines. They are boxer engines. There's a difference. The boxer designation comes from the fact that it's a flat engine and the pistons move toward and away from eachother like they're boxing.

The current Boxter engines are both 6 cylinders. ALL of the Impreza engines are 4 cylinders, 2.5L NA in the TS/RS/OBS models, 2.0L Turbo in the WRX, and 2.5L Turbo in the STi (North America anyway). The Legacy has the 2.5L NA as well as the 3.0L flat 6, and soon enough (now?) there will be a 2.5L Turbo in the Baja (and it'll float over to the Legacy for 2005 I've heard). The Forester has the 2.5NA and 2.5 Turbo.

Boxter engines also aren't all that powerful when compared to the turbo 4bangers from Subaru.

Ok school's out for now. </P>


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<FONT size=3>Just to let you know the reason I think they are so fast is because the engine that is in them is a "Porsche Boxster" engine. The same exact one. So ya not a lot of peeps can take them.</FONT> </P>


hahahah that's complete and total crap.... They have boxer engines, but it's not a Porsche engine LMAO</P>


You believe everything you hear...don't you? yes? Ok then the 03 Cobra has a supercharged LS1 in it. hahaha</P>


The engine in the STi is a 2.5L EJ25T Flat four, DOHC, 16v it makes 300 hp at 6000 rpm and 300 ft lbs torque at 4000 rpm. It's mated to a 6-speed manual with overdrive which then sends the power through the full-time AWD system which automatically distributes power between front and rear wheels based on traction needs. WRX STi models have a Driver Controlled Center Differential (DCCD) with Automatic Mode. DCCD utilizes a planetary center differential in conjunction with an electronically managed continuously variable transfer clutch.</P><edited><editID>own3dbyyou</editID><editDate>37999.9311921296</editDate></edited>

Redneck, I hope you enjoyed your icecream! I understand what you mean by hard facts on a sheet, but these cars in my eyes are most enjoyed when someone you don't know comes out of knowwhere at a light and wants to run with you, maybe even chicks in the car, when you smokem, the feeling is priceless(speaking from personal experience of course) The track to me is great place for tuning and tweaking for those nights at the stoplight or leagal competition such as a race/show. Oh yeah, no I'm not an STi owner, I have two black Mustang convertibles and 0' import cars. My Cobra is lightly modified to put me somewhere in the 11's and the 5.0 is under a full resto but was putting out 315 to thewheels when I drove her last. I like the mach1's, they have alot of potential!, good luck with her!<IMG src=smileys/smiley20.gif border="0">

<FONT size=3>Just to let you know the reason I think they are so fast is because the engine that is in them is a "Porsche Boxster" engine. The same exact one. So ya not a lot of peeps can take them.</FONT> </P>


hahahah that's complete and total crap.... They have boxer engines, but it's not a Porsche engine LMAO</P>


You believe everything you hear...don't you? yes? Ok then the 03 Cobra has a supercharged LS1 in it. hahaha</P>


The engine in the STi is a 2.5L EJ25T Flat four, DOHC, 16v it makes 300 hp at 6000 rpm and 300 ft lbs torque at 4000 rpm. It's mated to a 6-speed manual with overdrive which then sends the power through the full-time AWD system which automatically distributes power between front and rear wheels based on traction needs. WRX STi models have a Driver Controlled Center Differential (DCCD) with Automatic Mode. DCCD utilizes a planetary center differential in conjunction with an electronically managed continuously variable transfer clutch.</P>


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What planet are you from? that car can not beet an 03 cobra, definately out of the hole, but not in a quarter. You must be one of those Hotrod magazine readers that beleives a 4,500rpm clutch dump in an STi and smoking the tires sideways in a Cobra is a confident test, not in mine! Those are nice cars, but they are not drag racers, they should stick to the back Colorado roads or on a ralley track. <edited><editID>5.0 guy</editID><editDate>38000.5612268519</editDate></edited>

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I see where you are comming from, but the cobra doesn't need slicks to have traction, a little clutch riding out of the hole and the car has 0' wheel spin, with the mods I have now, it's a different story(a lot more clutch riding and drag radials) Also, I think you guys are nuts dumping your clutch at 5-6,000rpms! I was making fun of the 4,500, but 6,500, thats nuts! What kind of modded Mustang do you have, I'm telling you that I've run stock for stock with 03 STi's and they couldn't stay with me after mid second gear, out of the hole only gives them a smal lead for a very small amount of time. The STi is much lighter, but also lacks about 60-80 rwh from the cobra. I do lke the STi though, I wish my wife would buy one for her personal toy, but she wants a CLK AMG, that car will take my Cobra and my 5.0 bone stock!

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why is everyon arguing with hotrod girl. no need to be so arrogant. so what the sti can beat the cobra. i've seen it done. someone has to win a race. it doesnt matter that i cant beat half the people here either. read hot rod (domestic) mag.</P>


it wasnt only the drag racing. the car is all around better. who cares? if you dont own an 03 cobra shut up.</P>

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Okay...Let touch on you calling me ignorant. First off, I do know about AWD turbo. If you'll look back and see, I have owned a 3000GT VR4, so perhaps I know what you're talking about coming out of the hole. </P>


However...For those of you that don't know me, I don't believe anything until I see numbers. So therefore I have done the work for you and found the articles with the proof. This is direct from Road and Track.</P>


COBRA 13.3</P>


13.3 @ 108.1 MPH.</P>


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13.4 @ 104.6 MPH. </P>


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I never said that the STI wasn't an amazing car. But the numbers don't lie. </P>


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I said stock for stock, that means no slicks, the cobra can't hook like all wheel drive can, yeah if the cobra put slicks on it can beat it. Like I said stock for stock. Oh and the STI doesn't dump the clutch at 4500 it dumps it between 5500 and 6000. I do own a bad ass stang but we also own a 2004 STI so I know what I am talking about when it comes to these cars cuz i have raced it on the street and track. Just defending my other half. </P>


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Sidewayz, lets just leave this one alone, it's just a bunch of chicks arguing about something they are trying to look knowledgable about! That's neat that the STI has more power per litre, but the Cobra still has four more litres to add to the total power. Once you leave the line and have traction, power and torque is what's important, I own an 03 cobra convertible and a 5.0 convertible, and after running with the new STI I think the 5.0 is the more fair vehicle to race an STi, everytime I shift into second, I walked on them, especially before all my mods, now it's just a joke even talking about them! They are nice cars, but not what you are dreaming they are! I'll be in Pheonix in March with my Cobra, I'll run against your STi stock , or with my new Kenne Bell supercharger. I'm telling you though, I've run with plenty different STi's up here in Colorado where they were designed to drive, and they can't come close, that's why I'm so confident to say this.

Okay...Let touch on you calling me ignorant. First off, I do know about AWD turbo. If you'll look back and see, I have owned a 3000GT VR4, so perhaps I know what you're talking about coming out of the hole. </P>


However...For those of you that don't know me, I don't believe anything until I see numbers. So therefore I have done the work for you and found the articles with the proof. This is direct from Road and Track.</P>


COBRA 13.3</P>


13.3 @ 108.1 MPH.</P>


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13.4 @ 104.6 MPH. </P>


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Those numbers make the cobra look pathetically slow.</P>


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That's better....</P>

Well this is HOTRODGIRL's fiance. I'm the owner of the STi. I'm glad you will be in Phoenix in March and yes I will run you. After I'm through wiping the floor with you, I'll let my girl just utterly embarrass you with her stang. I dont care what you put on your car, my fiance will make you look like a fool. And just for the record my STi aint stock anymore so bring it on. You choose, Speedworld or Firebird, either one you will lose at.

Own3d, you're correct, the numbers are very slow, but realistic for a consumer type magazine. 03 Cobra owners have been performing amazing things with these cars and have gone much farther than ever anticipated. I only know one person with a 12.60 time witha stock one, the rest have been published variuos mags. The Kenne Bells equipt engines are when these cars get insain!<IMG src=smileys/smiley29.gif border="0">

Oh ya, dont believe everything you read in a mag. The times for these two cars differ greatly between mags. Car and Driver got the STi to a 13.1 and the Cobra to a 12.9. But once again those are professional drivers which you are not!!! You make me laugh. Dont worry we'll post the video on here of your loser a**, getting stomped by an STi and a girl! What will that do to your manhood??<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0">

You're right, those numbersdo, I have driven my buddies '03 Cobra 100 times. I would be willing to bet I can get that car to break 13.0 on street tires.We've G-Teched it twice, once with him driving...(and he can't drive) 13.5 and once with me driving it. 13.04. I was just stating what the magazine said. Bolt up a set of ET Streets, and that fuc*er will damn near yank the front tires. They're mad fast. </P>


I wasn't trying to bea jag, I was just pointing out that stock for stock an STI will not beat the new Cobra. Not that it matters, but numbers don't lie. </P>


I wasn't bashing Subaru, I think it's pretty amazing that a 4 pot moves out like that. It's pretty cool. Ugly, but cool. </P>

You got it lamo, thats neat that you want me to run with your girl, it would probably be a better race. WELL&lt; THIS IS HOTRODGIRLS FIANCE!what a joke!, who cares. Shes holding her own on this site, don't make her look bad speaking for her, she knows enough about cars to talk the talk! Also, You better spend alot more money on that thing bud, cause you don't know what you are competing with.We will definately be in touch! She should be driving the STi, it more of a girls car in my opinion.

Whatever my wicked V6 mustang will smoke your Sti. Dont mess with me after I get my Saleen body kit either. </P>


But to bad our mustangs handle like WWII tanks compared to the STi (or any other car for that matter). But im just as lame as any stang driver. I can only drive a quarter mile at a time in a straght line. Dont askme to take turns on a real world road or race track for that matter because my suspension sucks balls. You will bow down to my furious body roll too. With my 20 year old technology dumped into my wobbling stang chassis you will die of laughter as you stare into my tailights down the 1/4 mile. We mustang lovers care not about our cars performance just how fast we can shove it down a quarter mile. </P>


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most all of the magazines put the cobra in the low 13s, making ita drivers race between a stock cobra and a stock sti. like any car, there are going to be stock ones a little slower, and stock ones a little faster. and 5.0 guy, if you run this guy use your kenne bell charger, cause his sti isn't stock. az2004sti post your dyno sheet for these mustang guys. i would love to see what it looks like.

Sidewayz, were not bashing the STi, just chatting with the competition out there!LOL! Just like hotrodgirls fiance, his car maybe quicker or slower, but it sure is fun thinking about a true race of rivals!, especially if we could get a few more 03 STis to race some other 03 Cobras with different setups. Then we can send off to the magazines the true winner, stock or modded. What do you think hotrodgirls fiance?, is there something else I can call you rather than sound like I'm mocking you? Oh yeah, nice touch with the tears!LOL<IMG src=smileys/smiley8.gif border="0">

wow, stang owner, ricer at heart.

Yeah, I'd like to see the dyno sheet if you have one, I don't hate you car, just love the rivalry ever since the Hot Rod magazine article. V6 guy, what the hell are you doing in a Mustang? the model you chose and what you have done with it clearly says you don't belong in one. My car handles fine, cars such as hotrodgirls fiance are nothing to frown on, I take every race seriously and will be very impressed to see a car beat mine, I know they are out there, but most are illeagal street cars. I'm talking about an all motor race, no nitrous, anyone can use that, I want to see a true machine beat mine, are you still in?, I can almost smell that 6,500rpm clutch dump now!KAPOW!!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0"> <edited><editID>5.0 guy</editID><editDate>38000.7143518519</editDate></edited>

Well see 5.0 guy, you may have a 15000 dollar engine but my STi has an 8000 dollar tranny. As far as the girls car comment is that because it only has 4 cylinders??? Thats all it needs! I will post my dyno sheets when I get home tonight. You make me laugh though when you think your car will give my fiances stang a race. You'll be doing nothing but smelling the 107 octane coming from her pipes. You have to get by my STi first to even consider racing her stang.

You just keep us posted on when that 03 Cobra is here wanting to race. And by the way its an 04 STi they dont have 03's. And we will be video taping the race so when you lose everyone on here will see.

There is an awful lot of trash talking between two guys that have never seen each others cars.* AZ2004, 5.0 never said what his car had or didn't have, or what it ran.</p>


Can I ask what the feeling will be when it turns out that his Mustang runs 9's?* Will you still win?* How do we know your car doesn't run 8's?* Get some facts before jumping all over each other.* </p>


This is why people get annoyed with guys that drive imports.</p><edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.468125</editDate></edited>

Doesnt matter! My fiances stang is just waiting to lay down 8 second passes after the final tuning is done. And the best part is we dont have to worry about in breaking or cracking like the P.O.S iron block the 03 Cobra has.

Why are you talking poopie about my wickedV6 5.0? We are supposed to stick together as Stang drivers arent we? Im sure your Stang handles brilliantly with the 1970's chassis technology. Whats wrong with my mods? I wouldnt bash yours. I love the stang becuse of the pretty donkey emblem. I'm having the donkey decal put on my doors this saturday!! I think im going to mod the decal to make it look morelike a Unicorn too!! What do you think? Wouldnt that would be so pretty!!</P>


I think we can take the Sti together on a race and rally track. That way when you leave me behind I can pick up all the parts that fall off your super fast 5.0! Is that teamwork or what! </P>


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This is why imports get annoyed by domestics. You guys cant see past your crapping performing v8. Just for all the retards that dont know and make fun of imports Honda just put an All Motor car in the 9's!!!! And yes I did say All Motor! No kenne bell, paxton or even Garrett.

Weren't we talking about your STI? I'm sure your womans Stang is bad...Whatever...You were talking about the STI, and making 5.0 look like a fool with his Kenny Bell equipped Cobra. </P>


My point was you were talking all kinds of crazy s**t and didn't actually know what you were talking about. Are you familiar with the performance specifications of a Kenny Bell equipped Cobra? Thats right...You're not. And how do you know he's not a professional drag racer? You just made yourself look like a tool. Not him. </P>


I'm done now. Feel free to continue talking s**t about Mustangs in a Mustang forum. And you might want to get a handle on your chick if you have to come in and clean up her mess...What was she talking about "The Cobra dumps the clutch at 6500 RPM's?"</P>


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For one she never said the cobra dumps the clutch at that, it is the STi that dumps it at that. And yes I am familar with all forms of vehicles used for drag racing. And I'm sorry but your kenne bell cobra dont scare us. It can meet a Paxton blown Dart!! All I say is bring it!

8 second passes!, whatever!, what shop are you building this car through? I just moved from Pheonix and know most shops down there, especially when it comes to Mustangs! I'll give you the benefit of doubt though! I think this will be fun and definately bring a video and a still camera, how many people get a chance to see a couple 600= rear wheel horse power cars running at the strip! Just curious, have you ever seen a 21psi Kenne Bell supercharger running at just 18psi, it's insain! Don't know of anyone exploding their 03 block, in fact I think the guys runnning in the eights now still have A/C, how about your girls??? I am definately comming to Pheonix, my mother lives down there so you will have your chance! No nitrous, I want see all motor, I really can't wait to see this!!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0"></P>

Besides, Sideways, your intellegence is shown by what you purchased. A 4.6L P.O.S!!! That setup has nothing on a 5.0.

For one she never said the cobra dumps the clutch at that, it is the STi that dumps it at that. And yes I am familar with all forms of vehicles used for drag racing. And I'm sorry but your kenne bell cobra dont scare us. It can meet a Paxton blown Dart!! All I say is bring it! </p>


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OK...WHAT DOES THAT MEAN???* THE STI DUMPS THE CLUTCH AT 6500???* ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT WHEN YOU LEAVE THE TREE, YOU DUMP THE CLUTCH AT REDLINE???* NO MATTER WHAT YOU'RE DRIVING??* </p><edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.4697106481</editDate></edited>

Well for one if you lived in Phoenix then you know of AMP, and ADS. Doug who built AMP's stang to do 8's will be consulted as well as John Thompson from ADS who personally owns a 8 second stang.

Yes as a matter of fact Sidewayz i do dump at 6500! Are u jealous that my car holds together??

Besides, Sideways, your intellegence is shown by what you purchased. A 4.6L P.O.S!!! That setup has nothing on a 5.0. </p>


It shows my intelligence that I have a 4.6 Mustang?* You are a moron!* I bought the car because I liked the way it looked, not because it was fast.* I've had lots of cars...I can't imagine their purchase has anything to do with my intelligence.</p>


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If you don't like it, don't read it! We are having some true rivalry here and nothing personal of course. AZ2004, I've built severalMustangs through AMP performance when it was just All Mustang Performance and Recycling.I've known Tom Thompson(the owner for about ten years), his car runs sevens, eights and nines are nothing to him anymore. Cool, glad we hooked up here, I think a race would be awsome, what do you think? I'll get back to you tomaorrow, I'm outa here! Your confidence intrigues me!LOL!!!<IMG src=smileys/smiley20.gif border="0">

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Well 5.0 guy I'm glad finally your being somewhat cool. Just keep the girl comments on a minimum cause that is a good way to get under my skin and hers. I've learned that with drag racing it doesnt matter what car you have. I give respect to anyone who takes the time to build a performance engine for their car. I think we would have fun. If you are pushing a lot of boost I'm not saying my STi will beat you. But you got to understand my STi is the test one must take to earn the right to run my fiances stang. I dont want her waisting her time or gas on racing a slouch. Let us know when you are in town, cool? And by the way with my mods my STi should run anywhere from a 12.3 to a 12.8 @ anywhere from 103 to 108. So my STi is a force to be reckoned with!

Well 5.0 guy I'm glad finally your being somewhat cool. Just keep the girl comments on a minimum cause that is a good way to get under my skin and hers. I've learned that with drag racing it doesnt matter what car you have. I give respect to anyone who takes the time to build a performance engine for their car. I think we would have fun. If you are pushing a lot of boost I'm not saying my STi will beat you. But you got to understand my STi is the test one must take to earn the right to run my fiances stang. I dont want her waisting her time or gas on racing a slouch. Let us know when you are in town, cool? And by the way with my mods my STi should run anywhere from a 12.3 to a 12.8 @ anywhere from 103 to 108. So my STi is a force to be reckoned with! </P>


Why in the hell would you say that stock for stock, an sti will beat a cobra? You are a complete moron(actually, both of you)</P>

Hey redneck why dont you go play with your goat that keeps you warm at night! Stock for Stock it will. I own it, I've done it.

The best part is my STi isnt even a "Drag Car" in the since of the word. It was made to hand anyone their a** in auto-x. Its just cool that this car can jump between all aspects of racing and give competition where ever it goes. Dont hate that just shows your maturity level and intelligence.

The best part is my STi isnt even a "Drag Car" in the since of the word. It was made to hand anyone their a** in auto-x. Its just cool that this car can jump between all aspects of racing and give competition where ever it goes. Dont hate that just shows your maturity level and intelligence. </P>


I am not hating, telling you what I see with my many hours spent at Bradenton Motorsports Park. We have test and tune every Thursday and Saturday night, and out of all the stock STI's,none have beat my buddies completely stock Cobra, or any other stock cobra for that matter. Guess you are one that launches the cobra as you would a 4wd and wonder why it goes nowhere. You said in an earlier post that with ALL your mods, your STI would be running around 12.3-12.8 right?? Let me fill you in here, a stock Cobra will run mid 12's completely stock in the quarter Stupe!!! Surely you know that since "You own one"!!(and I can show you my maturity level.....in your girls a$$)<IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0"></P><edited><editID>redneck101</editID><editDate>38000.8928125</editDate></edited>

Stock doesnt mean slicks. But what do u know? You are a redneck are you not? And here we go again with the, "well my buddy has..." homo what do u have? A mach 1 nothing to brag about.<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.4720833333</editDate></edited>

Where do u get off saying I launch a Cobra??? For one I would never stoop, or for that matter my fiance either, to the level off buying a cobra. You know some of you dream of actually having a fast sub 10sec. car, well my fiance and I live that dream. I only launch my car at 6000 plus rpm cause it can handle it.

I hope that comment was to me? If it was, what dont you believe? You wanna see my dyno plot? I dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics AWD dyno at 280 hp to the wheels and 312ft/lbs. Subaru get about 38% loss of power through the drive train due to AWD. SO if you multiply 280 and 312 by 1.38 you get 392 crank hp and 436 crank torque.

Both cars have their high points, both cars have their following. if you don't like the STi, don't buy one, but why concern yourself with making fun of it? If you don't like Mustangs, don't buy one, but why concern yourself with making fun of it? </P>


Just let it go already. "your car is slow"low 13s aren't slow. Period. I don't careif the03 Cobra runs 12.8s."your car can't corner" I don't care if the STi can pull .9x g's, last I checked the 03 Cobra can handle fairly well, low .9xg's, anyone know exactly? </P>


My point is...who gives a f... about someone elses car?Drive what you got, love it.</P>

I hope that comment was to me? If it was, what dont you believe? You wanna see my dyno plot? I dynoed on a Dyno Dynamics AWD dyno at 280 hp to the wheels and 312ft/lbs. Subaru get about 38% loss of power through the drive train due to AWD. SO if you multiply 280 and 312 by 1.38 you get 392 crank hp and 436 crank torque. </P>


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Oh ok. . . I know a girl from Peoria that has a Mustang. . . cousin has an STi. Seemed too weird. </p>


haha, I wouldn't put it past those wierdo's!* Oh, so she has the cobra and he has the sti, no wonder he says he can beat the cobra in the quarter...* hey 2004blahblah,*heres a secret for you, my screen name is redneck because its the only thing the computer would accept when starting this forum!!<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></p><edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.475462963</editDate></edited>

Hey redneck, you dont know how to read do u?* She doesnt own a cobra!!!* She wipes the floor with cobras!!!<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.4759375</editDate></edited>

Thought you had a cobra, my bad. Take a look at this:</P>


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0306_frstsub/index2.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0306_frstsub/index2.html target=)</P>


Now, scroll down the racing thread list and look at my topic, "Mach 1 at the track". Okay, you dis my car by saying I have a mach 1 and its nothing?? But I go to the track for the first time ever racing this car(completely stock I might add), and run a consistent 13.2-13.3 at 106+ with minimal traction and no practice!! Iran an evo, and hecrossed the line at 13.5 to my 13.3, and the evo is quicker than the sti. So, you can't beat the mach1, and you damned sure can't beat the cobra. END OF STORY! I would not argue with you if you had some idea of what you were talking about, but you come in here first thing saying your car is better. SHUT UP!!!</P>

<IMG src=smileys/smiley21.gif border="0">Common, where are we going with this? The butt jockies need to go release their urge with the neighbors cat or something and then come back and talk some cars, we side tracked of talking cars and are now just going knowwhere. AZ2004, what kind of tires do you run?ei size style ect? I'm experimenting with Nittos DR's now, and they hook up as well as my friends coupe with BFG Dr's, only his has 0' tread left at 250 miles of service and mine look pretty good!LOL!!! So Hotrod girl, you drive that beast around on a daily basis?,running sub tens would definately give your boy a chance at the light in an Arizona rain storm! I still remember my first race in my first 5.0, back in the ASU day. I ran into a modded GTO RAM AIR III, the car was fast, I think by the time I could pull a little on him, we were at about 130 going West on Van Buren from Mill Ave! That was about 12 years ago, but at 120+ miles an hour back then, the 5.0 wasn't as confident in the rear and it would begine to lift up in the air. nothing like the tightened stomach feeling at mach speeds!) I was running an early Vortech on that car, it was a 90 GT vert, mostly stock with just the power adder. What has been your favorite run in your current car?, Mine would have to be when it was stock and I finally ran against a guy with a built A/C Cobra. He had the kit car for about 20 years, so it was much more unique than a Factory Five car from today. Infact, he had a built 427 duel side exhaust with a 4-spd and it was a screamer! He actually stayed side by side with me into second, because my factory tires were in desperate need of replacement at a cool 5,000 miles! He dserved it because he passes my hotel and sees my snake out front and kind of snickers, he snubbed me at the light and lost!, that made my day for a long time!

Common AZ, you have to admit thats funny! I don't think they have your model though! I'm picturing a BaHa!LOL!!!

Hey 5.0guy I'm running the stock Bridgestone Potenza. They have a tread wear of 140.* The size is 225/45 on 17 BBS wheels

Well first off the evo aint faster than an Sti stock.* Sorry bud but you've been miss informed.* Thats where the extra .5L of the STi come into play.* And your times of 13.2-13.3 aint nothing!* My car did that stock.* And with what 2.1L less of engine.* Thats just pathetic like yourself REDNECK.<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.4771064815</editDate></edited>

Jesus Christ is that STI ugly. </P>


Did you know that 35% of people that buy Subaru's are lesbians?</P>


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Maybe so but it aint uglier then my Tight ass 91 V6 Stang. OR any other Stang for that matter. I love my non functional side vents and hood scoop dont you like yours? Im all about the pointlesswindrag that STANGS come equiped with some of it really helps with the s**tty handleing on our STANGS.And the pretty donkey emblem in the grill is sick specially after you modd it to look like a Unicorn. And you cant mess with the STANGS super small guage cluster and uncomfortable seats that let you slide around in them as you take turns desperatly trying to stay in control. </P>


Did you know that 99% of people who drive STANGS dont know s**t about cars orperformance or driving on a real race track? Improof and so are about 99% of us on this forum!</P><edited><editID>wickedv6</editID><editDate>38001.6190046296</editDate></edited>

evo&gt;sti</P>

Thought you had a cobra, my bad. Take a look at this:</P>


http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0306_frstsub/index2.html (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedan/112_0306_frstsub/index2.html target=)</P>


Now, scroll down the racing thread list and look at my topic, "Mach 1 at the track". Okay, you dis my car by saying I have a mach 1 and its nothing?? But I go to the track for the first time ever racing this car(completely stock I might add), and run a consistent 13.2-13.3 at 106+ with minimal traction and no practice!! Iran an evo, and hecrossed the line at 13.5 to my 13.3, and the evo is quicker than the sti. So, you can't beat the mach1, and you damned sure can't beat the cobra. END OF STORY! I would not argue with you if you had some idea of what you were talking about, but you come in here first thing saying your car is better. SHUT UP!!!</P>


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http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/press.html (http://www.litchfieldimports.co.uk/press.html target=)</P><edited><editID>wickedv6</editID><editDate>38001.6253240741</editDate></edited>

evo&gt;sti not only did motor trend say it but sports compact car did a comparison and the evo beat the sti. </P>

wickedv6: are you engaged? <IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0">

engaged in what? I am engaged in having the most Wickedv6 Stang on the planet because I love Ford Unicorns.

What the hell are you two talking about?, You're both males aren't you?, if it's this kind of site, later!<IMG src=smileys/smiley21.gif border="0">

Just kidding!LOL<IMG src=smileys/smiley15.gif border="0">

Sorry guys, but no evo has ever beat my STi stock, and especially now with all my mods. The only reason the mags rated the evo better was not because of quarter mile times, which it has yet to beat the STI stock for stock, is because of handling. The evo does handle very well. But stock they only pull 13.6's. Most I see at the track dont even do that. Now when you mod an Evo they do 11's with ease.

And to CATiRO, nice car. What do you pull a 16 flat. You have no room to talk.<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.4786921296</editDate></edited>

No, its an 8 sec. 95 Mustang GT blown stroker. Not a cobra or 8 sec. STi. My STi is a 12 sec car. If you have any questions on my ride or setup, you can call Dyno Comp at 480-596-0500 and ask for Richard. He'll tell all about what the Sti and other WRX's are pulling. Their website is www.dyno-comp.com. For those to broke to afford long distance. Wickedv6, I enjoy your sarcasim buddy! Keep it up!<edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.4798263889</editDate></edited>

Theres almost nothing funnier than getting a rise out of this guy. I think we're all aware that your STI isn't the 8 sec wonder like the Mustang is. </P>


I have to ask why you assume that because we have Mustangs we can't afford anything else? I have an '04 CLK 500 that is my daily driver. My wife drives an '03 QX4. I thinkI can swing the note on a Subaru. </P>


I love all the comments on can't afford the long distance, and we can't afford nice cars. </P>


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Sidewayz, you bastard!, thats the car I want next!, actually I want a CLK55 vert for my wife, but don't think I won't take her out! The stock performance stats and videos I've seen are very impressive. I've seena stock CLK AMG smoke an 03 snake modded like mine, of course traction was a major issue in second for the Cobra, but the Merc holds its superior brand name with ease! Nice choice!<IMG src=smileys/smiley20.gif border="0"> </P>


AZ, Even though you are the competition out there, I will admit a ride in an AWD low 12 sec car would be fun as heck! afterour littlerace, I want a ride ! This guy keeps reving his motor past my window in my office, he sees my Cobra out there so he likes to tant me. He has a pewter 02 WS6, the car is sleak lookng and I like the body style, but he has Flowmasters, 3:73's and head work done and he can't take my friends 03 stock Cobra coupe! They both know how to drive their cars, but the Cobra wins with many witinesss everytime they get together!, haven't seen any STi's in afew days, but I don't want to break a half shaft anyways, so I'm playing it cool with the car right now, Summer is when all the real fun starts!</P><edited><editID>5.0 guy</editID><editDate>38001.8104398148</editDate></edited>

ok...who cares what you and your buddy's STIs are pulling? Dyno #s dont mean sh*t if they dont run fast at the track. And, bragging about your $30K 4 door grocery getter that peaks out in the 12s didn't impress me much- dont know about everybody else. Maybe we can line 'em up in the kroger parking lot- OK?<IMG src=smileys/smiley12.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley12.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley12.gif border="0">

ok...who cares what you and your buddy's STIs are pulling? Dyno #s dont mean sh*t if they dont run fast at the track. And, bragging about your $30K 4 door grocery getter that peaks out in the 12s didn't impress me much- dont know about everybody else. Maybe we can line 'em up in the kroger parking lot- OK?<IMG src=smileys/smiley12.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley12.gif border="0"><IMG src=smileys/smiley12.gif border="0"> </P>


Thats because you're overly biased towards the tank of a Mustang you drive. <IMG src=smileys/smiley17.gif border="0"></P>


A grocery getter that can haul a weeks worth of groceries and 5 people COMFORTABLY and still run 13s stock, impresses me. If I'm not mistaken, thats still faster than a stock GT. <IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0">Yes I know you don't care, but I felt I had to point that out, just because...well...it's my opinion. <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0"></P>

it also costs more than a stock gt...or a modded one...or a mach...and depending on where you get it, it also costs more than a cobra...</P>

Glad to see a true enthusiast point that out. Some who truely loves cars is not pig headed and open to hear about all different setups that take you down the 1320!!!And no it doesnt cost more than a cobra! Yes more than a mach 1, but guess what you get more of a car!<edited><editID>AZ2004STi</editID><editDate>38001.9609027778</editDate></edited>

i said depends where you get the cobra. some places offer huge rebates. what did you pay again?

I think about 32k after tax and title, but gee it was paid for in cash! It's great not having a car payment!

But see if I were to buy a stang I would do the exact same thing as my fiance. Buy a 95 GT 5.0 for dirt cheap and then buy a pristine Dart block and stroke the s**t out of it. Myself probably go the turbo route since I get Garrett Supplier Price. Then smoke the s**t out of any Cobra with money still to spare in my pocket!!! Any questions??? Hmmm...

it also costs more than a stock gt...or a modded one...or a mach...and depending on where you get it, it also costs more than a cobra...</P>


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Right, it depends on where you get it. I saw an STi go for 3k more than a base wrx, (23995)and it was well optioned. I've also seen well optioned brand new03 Cobras for only 31k. And Mach Is start at 29xxx, but if I were to buy one I'd have it maxxed out with options. <IMG src=smileys/smiley1.gif border="0"></P>

anyone can make anything fast. i could get a dual port 1600 cc bug or ghia and get forged parts and juice the hell out of it...light ass (im talkin like 1000 something lbs)body with 300 shot=pwn joo. turbo works as well...hell, even twin turbo. sure, your wifes car may be fast, but it is also not as great a deal as you think. dont make it about money, something will always be faster for cheaper.</P>

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Right, it depends on where you get it. I saw an STi go for 3k more than a base wrx, (23995)*and it was well optioned. I've also seen well optioned brand new*03 Cobras for only 31k. And Mach Is start at 29xxx, but if I were to buy one I'd have it maxxed out with options. <img border="0" src=smileys/smiley1.gif border="0"> </p>


i know man...some dealers are bad, but some just drop the prices so much you wonder how they stay in business.* volume=money.* more you're moving, more money you're moving into your pocket.* that's where you see the cheap ones...they can sell a bunch and make less off it and still make lots cause they move so many.* its genius.</p><edited><editID>Admin</editID><editDate>38028.4813425926</editDate></edited>

Very good point! Look at Leslie Durst with here ALL MOTOR cheap crx running a 9.93!!!

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i understand the honda thing you always talk about, but really...aircooled v-dubs are great and parts for the engine are practically free. turbo setup? twins? nitrous? it can take all of em, and to build it to take it costs like nothing. 1000-1500 lb body is where it gets ya. transaxle will go through hell, but i think they sell some strong ones relatively cheap</P>

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Thats why Mohler and Durst are the two top dogs in ALL Motor for their class. One is a VW the other a Honda! Another instance is Roger Foo for anyone who follows SCCA. He had a 92 Honda Hatch with 12K in the motor and was smoking the $350,000 BMW's in track racing. And I'm not talking seconds, I mean he was lapping them!!!

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i understand the honda thing you always talk about, but really...aircooled v-dubs are great and parts for the engine are practically free. turbo setup? twins? nitrous? it can take all of em, and to build it to take it costs like nothing. 1000-1500 lb body is where it gets ya. transaxle will go through hell, but i think they sell some strong ones relatively cheap</P>


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I agree. Vdubs can be pretty sick when the engines are hopped up.</P>


My whole point ever since I got here was anything can be built to be fast, &amp; it's all a matter of preference on what someone is going to build. Some people are diehard Mustang fans, some are diehard LS1 fans and some like Hondas.</P>


I love the sleeper look, so building a Honda would be sweet, but I love LS1s and Foxbody (GT and LX)5.0s &amp; 2000+ GT/SVT Mustangs.</P>

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I agree. Vdubs can be pretty sick when the engines are hopped up.


My whole point ever since I got here was anything can be built to be fast, &amp; it's all a matter of preference on what someone is going to build. Some people are diehard Mustang fans, some are diehard LS1 fans and some like Hondas.</P>


I love the sleeper look, so building a Honda would be sweet, but I love LS1s and Foxbody (GT and LX)5.0s &amp; 2000+ GT/SVT Mustangs.</P>


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yeah, im seeing how to be like that now. i dont really care what new cars can do anyway...i wont be able to afford a fast one till im on my own making some decent cash. hell, youve even brainwashed me into thinking that honda idea is pretty cool. but veedubs can do a wheelie easy...lets see a honda do that! </P>


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4 bangers rule!</P>

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