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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 4/20/2007 12:25:58 PM

Jujudoll

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Status: offline I'm kinda freaked now. I was driving while it was raining the other day, and I had a friend in the passenger seat. She said she felt a drop on her foot. Then she felt the mat and it was a bit damp. Now that I think about it I have noticed a bit of a smell after it had rained. My car is an '05 GT and I have almost 33,000 miles on it. I guess I better call the dealership now to see what can be done, considering the factory warranty is up in 3,000 miles!!!

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 4/20/2007 5:02:52 PM

jmk3

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From: South Jersey
Status: offline Mine finally leaked after the 7" noreaster last weekend. Not too bad just damp padding. I had to pull off kick panel to tell is was damp. I think I found my problem as others have found the same. I removed the cowl panel on passenger side & there are about 4 recessed plastic pieces that the cowl panel latches into. The cheap gasket on one looked out of place so I pulled one out & the entire area inside was full of water. Those clips don't hold enough tension on the gasket to make a seal. there are also 4 on the drivers side so thats 8 places for water to seap in. Now the water works its way arount to the side & drops down onto the dreader junction box. I removed the wipers & other cowl cover & threw out all 8 of those gaskets & reinstalled the clips with some good sealer I have that is for camper seams & such. I am convinced that is the problem as I have heard others describe the water sloshing back & forth when they drive. The problem may have been worsened cause some leaves were blocking the little hole in the cowl panel causing it to fill up & run backwards. Next time you have the leak pop one of those out & look inside. Others have mentioned sealing the seam at the A pillar but I think they are sealing the water in & not solving the problem.

I wanted to add that when this happened my car was not driven, it was parked in the rain. People that have issues with driving in rain may or may not have this problem. I used a product called Permanent sealer by a company called Ruscoe, comes in clear & white I used clear.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 4/20/2007 5:18:09 PM

hammeron

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Joined: 5/17/2006
Status: offline great info, much appreciated.

quote:

ORIGINAL: jmk3

Mine finally leaked after the 7" noreaster last weekend. Not too bad just damp padding. I had to pull off kick panel to tell is was damp. I think I found my problem as others have found the same. I removed the cowl panel on passenger side & there are about 4 recessed plastic pieces that the cowl panel latches into. The cheap gasket on one looked out of place so I pulled one out & the entire area inside was full of water. Those clips don't hold enough tension on the gasket to make a seal. there are also 4 on the drivers side so thats 8 places for water to seap in. Now the water works its way arount to the side & drops down onto the dreader junction box. I removed the wipers & other cowl cover & threw out all 8 of those gaskets & reinstalled the clips with some good sealer I have that is for camper seams & such. I am convinced that is the problem as I have heard others describe the water sloshing back & forth when they drive. The problem may have been worsened cause some leaves were blocking the little hole in the cowl panel causing it to fill up & run backwards. Next time you have the leak pop one of those out & look inside. Others have mentioned sealing the seam at the A pillar but I think they are sealing the water in & not solving the problem.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 4/20/2007 5:29:09 PM

sst06vert

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jmk3

Mine finally leaked after the 7" noreaster last weekend. Not too bad just damp padding. I had to pull off kick panel to tell is was damp. I think I found my problem as others have found the same. I removed the cowl panel on passenger side & there are about 4 recessed plastic pieces that the cowl panel latches into. The cheap gasket on one looked out of place so I pulled one out & the entire area inside was full of water. Those clips don't hold enough tension on the gasket to make a seal. there are also 4 on the drivers side so thats 8 places for water to seap in. Now the water works its way arount to the side & drops down onto the dreader junction box. I removed the wipers & other cowl cover & threw out all 8 of those gaskets & reinstalled the clips with some good sealer I have that is for camper seams & such. I am convinced that is the problem as I have heard others describe the water sloshing back & forth when they drive. The problem may have been worsened cause some leaves were blocking the little hole in the cowl panel causing it to fill up & run backwards. Next time you have the leak pop one of those out & look inside. Others have mentioned sealing the seam at the A pillar but I think they are sealing the water in & not solving the problem.

Can you give us the name of the sealer you use. Any chance you can include a picture? thanks Its raining here now and left my car in the rain.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 4/20/2007 7:45:28 PM

SkullE404

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Status: offline Mine seems to be leaking ONLY when i get a high pressure water jet under the front passenger area tire. Happens when i choose the underbody wash at the touchless carwash. Drove it around for an hour and a half during a rain storm and had nothing Untill i drove it thru a moderately deep puddle. After the puddle it showed up within 30 seconds on the paper towel i had on the floor.

It's going in on tuesday.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/2/2007 10:33:37 AM

2005StangGT

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Joined: 4/18/2007
From: Metro Washington DC
Status: offline Took mine in last week and the invoice says "sealed open seam between firewall and passenger side kick panel" It was covered under warrenty. Taking it through the car wash today and crossing my fingers....

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 12:03:42 AM

twokidsnosleep

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Status: offline Well my vert is going back for water leak check. The passenger floomats are ok, but the passenger door and door sill are always wet. It seems like the door is full of water, drips on opening and drips onto the sill. Anyone have something similar???

Scott

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 3:23:01 AM

superslow

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Status: offline good thing i read this. thanx for posting it again. i have a kinda musty smeel that is getting worse. this is probably the problem. i will check it out. thanx a bunch!!!!!!!!

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 6:59:16 AM

2005StangGT

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From: Metro Washington DC
Status: offline Took mine through the touchless wash yesterday on the way home from work....appears to be fixed!

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 8:51:15 AM

mail906

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quote:

ORIGINAL: superslow
good thing i read this. thanx for posting it again. i have a kinda musty smeel that is getting worse. this is probably the problem. i will check it out. thanx a bunch!!!!!!!!

This is really the sad aftermath of all of this. Based on the number of owners here who have a water leak, there must be plenty of other owners out there who do not know that their vehicle leaks. Possibly they don't pay close attention to their car, or read forums like this. [If you know someone who has a SN197, spread the word and make sure that they are at least aware of the potential problem.]

And where's Ford on all of this? Wasn't it before Christmas 2006 that a TSB was supposedly in the works?

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 9:01:10 AM

adnlyn

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Joined: 12/28/2006
Status: offline you know what really sux. I got rid of my 05 due to this problem and got an 07 vert. Now that is leaking in to the trunk and is in the shop today for the 3rd time. 4 times in 18k miles and i can start lemmon law procedures. I just cant take this crap from ford anymore. If i get out of this car i really dont think i will get another one.

adam

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 9:59:12 AM

celenztah

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Joined: 5/30/2006
Status: offline I've not posted on this in a while, but since I've been quite outspoken about it and have kept everyone posted on my experience.....

After all my dealership fixes for this (I think I went 4 times - each covering a different water entry point it seems) and feeling moderately confident that the leak was fixed finally, I recently had the extra heavy duty downpour to really test it out.

I moved my car out from the garage into the driveway to catch a seriously nasty thunderstorm overnight.... more than enough to leak without driving... more than enough to fill the door so that driving it would cause splashing resulting in leak..... I drove the car the following morning a good 30 miles or more in continuing (but moderate by now) rain... and still no leak.

I should be totally convinced now that my leak has been repaired, but because of the excessive experience associated with all this.....   I guess I will always have a touch of weariness. I can enjoy the car much better now for sure, but there will always be a bit of sour after taste from not only my experiences with the leak, but from seeing so much evidence in this forum alone that there really was some irresponsible manufacturing and poor accountability on Ford's behalf regarding just this issue alone.

I still dig the car, but much like a new Windows operating system release.... On the next re-designed Mustang release that catches my eye, I'll have to resist a purchase and wait to see what bugs exist and if they get ironed out.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 10:55:40 AM

hammeron

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Joined: 5/17/2006
Status: offline my personal belief is that ford knows exactly where
water is entering the vehicle.

it must be very labor intensive and that is why ford has not
released a tsb yet. they're trying to write up a procedure, that
even a caveman can do.

hopefully i'm wrong and we will all live happily ever after, with
dry mustangs.....

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/3/2007 11:00:38 AM

adnlyn

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Joined: 12/28/2006
Status: offline my personal belief is that ford knows exactly where
water is entering the vehicle.

i agree completely

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/4/2007 1:47:54 AM

twokidsnosleep

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Joined: 3/13/2007
Status: offline It is a weird leak. I live in the Vancouver area...it RAINS ALL THE TIME... and it took seven months and two days of longer drives in wicked, pounding rain for my leak to show up. My vert has only 4,000 km's on it and is a daily driver kept outside in the driveway. The inside of the windshield is alway foggy when I start her up and takes a couple seconds to defog...too much moisture inside is my diagnosis.
I wonder how many Mustangs are leaking on a low level, not enough to soak carpets

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/4/2007 9:12:03 AM

mail906

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hammeron
my personal belief is that ford knows exactly where
water is entering the vehicle.

There is no question about this. It's not rocket science.

quote:

ORIGINAL: hammeron
it must be very labor intensive and that is why ford has not
released a tsb yet. they're trying to write up a procedure, that
even a caveman can do.

I agree that the right "fix" is labor instensive. In fact, many have said that "the" leak or "some" leaks cannot be fixed until the right front fender is taken off the vehicle [hood too of course].

My speculation is that the "fix" is so labor intensive [4 to 8 hours per vehicle ???] and costly, that Ford is avoiding the issuance of a TSB on the problem. They're rolling the dice, and in the process screwing the very people who spent their hard earned money on Ford products.

Let's face it. There must be dozens of keen members on this forum alone that could figure out the leak problem given a couple of days in a well equipped garage with a vehicle lift. Ford on the other hand been working on a TSB since Dec. 23rd [as it was posted on this very forum]; and they were certainly aware of leak problems months before that.  Who believes that Ford and its fleet of engineers needs to study the problem this long for a TSB? Other than some Ford employees maybe.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/11/2007 9:20:23 PM

americaniron

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Status: offline     Well I just got my stang back after 2 weeks. I have to say that the service at my dealership has been wonderful. They kept me informed on the cars progress throughout. I told them about the forum, and the manager even called me in to bring it up on their computer. At first they tried, and tried to reproduce the leak with no success. They didn't try to sluff the car back to me. The manager, and teck knew that it leaked somewhere, and they were bound, and determined to find it. He said that the forum was helpful. They noticed that the firewall-rocker panel seam, and cowl seals came up a lot. They concentrated on those areas, and found that they could get it to leak in those spots. Especially if they rode it on the road after it rained. They sealed the seam, and replaced the cowl with the newer part revision .It got tested in the recent sub tropical storm we had, and seems to be fixed now. The manager realizes the difficulties that the people have been having in getting it fixed the first time. He told me that if it leaks again they will be determined to get to the root of the problem. It's a shame that to many of the service depts for Ford couldn't be that polite, and cooperative. There is supposed to be more rain this weekend, so I'll test it out good.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 5/12/2007 9:40:30 AM

mail906

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quote:

ORIGINAL: americaniron
... my dealership ... called me in to bring [this forum] up on their computer ... He said that the forum was helpful ...

The communication between Ford and its dealer network is simply amazing.

On this thread alone, here is what we have seen:

#1 Ford and its customer service hotline telling owners that they are not aware of any leak issues with the SN197.

#2 Dealers who told owners that they have never been aware of a SN197 that leaked.

#3 Dealers who told owners that a TSB was in the works. One member here said they saw a copy of it laying on [or in] their vehicle.

#3 And dealers like the one above [recent] that had to be pointed to this fourm or others like it to help them fix or attempt to fix the problem.

It's certainly comforting to know Ford is on top of things.

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 8/18/2007 7:57:35 AM

MalibuJerry350

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Status: offline Well, the ugly "leak issue" finally raised its ugly head last night. While parked in front of a friends house during a horrendous thunderstorm (which resulted in a monsoon downpour for at least 10 minutes) I noticed water dripping from under the dash on the passenger side! The car was actually facing "down hill" at the time, which differs from most of the other situations where other members had their vehicle facing uphill. I was able to pull the rubber mat under the leak and stack some towels under the dripping water. The car has only around 3000 miles left on the warranty and, considering the problems most members have had in having a dealer correct the problem, I've decided to tackle the leak myself. I've looked at the TSB concerning the problem and I'm going to pull the cowl cover off today to take a look. In the 16 1/2 months I've owned the car, this is the first time the problem has occurred. I've driven it in MANY heavy rainstorms before, but always moving. This is the first time it was exposed to such a torrential rainfall for that period of time, while parked in that position. Just wanted to add my GT to the list of "leakers".

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RE: MUST READ. leak problem - 9/9/2007 7:01:48 AM

chrisdbassplayer

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Status: offline Hi, I'm new member to mustang forums, Thank you for the info about the leak. We just bought a new 07 convertible and had rain all day yesterday and last night. What a great day to buy a convertible, in the pouring rain, anyway. I found this site this morning. So I went out and looked and touched the area shown in all the photos, at this point it felt dry. But I will keep an eye on it. Are there any other areas of leakage that I should look for? Or can anyone point me to any other important pages of problems or interest I should read?
Thank you!!!

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