Hey OB, this story is for you. Tonight im bored with nothing to do. so i go out in my pony. I'm driving along, and i buzz around on the highway for a while, and then decide to take it in for the night. So im comming back and taking off from a red light slowly see headlights zipping in and out of people. He catches up to me and i laugh, i head his VTECH kick in and i pull hard in second, and catch up to him. And then i get behind him and he pulls a u-turn, so of course i follow. He then goes into a local resturant and pulls over and i come up to his window and he opens his door and comes over to my window. he says, not bad for 1,000 is it. I laugh and his buddy says. lol. Arent you the guy we jst smoked back there?" so be being prud of my v-8 i said. You wannarace that piece of ****? he says "yeah, anytime". So i said, how about now. Then he says by the way i just ran it a NEDW and i got a 13.5. I beat mustangs all day long. So i sid, lets go then. Then to top it off h says, you know its got a b-16 or o something. lol. and i have engine management, and a cold air kit with exhaust. lol. I was still happy for this race. S we pullout and there is a red light but one person is in the other lane. So i sit net to his car and hold up traffic and he said. ON 3. So i let him count and of course he takes off before me and i pull a car on him to 70 mph. we come bak together and he complains about traction. i laugh and yell from a 30. He down shifts and i saw go, we take off and i take almost 2 1/2 on him. and then another red light. We stop and go, i got a perfect launch and i killed him. He just shrugs his shoulders after he blows by me. We then went to his house and he shakes my hand and says, you must have a supercharger in this. So i said what i had and his buddy didnt belive me. Then i tell him to coem to NEDW this wednesday and he says ya. Cool kid, but doesnt know about cars. Another ricer killed with my SLO 4.6

Heheh
Wow 13.5 huh?
Guess you must be running high 12's now!

Nice work there matt :D

Oh, you should come and see how I got my electric fan mounted now:)
Err oh another thing too...
Come help me get my shutoff switch workin
I've got NO clue which wire it is off the alternator!

lol...

"Arent you the guy we jst smoked back there?"

I love the ricers that pass you on the highway think they won a race.

On my way back to school, there was a riced out 92 maybe? LX stang bright orange with a ****load of stickers... not even a 5.0, i know these cars are damn slow cause my gf has a 92 vert. But they were weaving in an out of traffic and blow by me while giving me a look. Well i couldnt have any of that so i catch up to it going about 80-85 (It's in the right lane im in the left) The kid looks at me and just looks like he stomped on it. Well i shifted into 4th, i know 3rd had atleast 10-15mph left but i wasnt going to hurt my car for this. Im pretty sure when they stomped on it they didnt excellerate i fly like 3-4 cars by. I then dropped back and get next to him and give him a look like hes an ass... he gives me the finger then exits.

One of the funniest things ive seen on the road.

Well they were racin, just cuz you werent doesnt mean he didnt win!


I just point and laugh and ask if they have $$$

:)
Just sorta raced against the last generation prelude
Or was it this one.
Anyhoo it was newish and he was toying with me and crap.
Didn't really feel like going, was almost out of gas and I was a little ways from the station.
But we get to a 2 lane stoplight, I'm in back of him.
Hes edgin forwards looking back at me in his mirrors.
So I give a little rev saying FINE.
Light turns, he just dumps the clutch squeeked the tires and crap.
So I decide I'll just pass the guy to shutem up.
So I pull up and get on his ass and notice him punch it(like when the white smoke comes out for a sec when you accelerate hard)
and So I do to near the top of second gear.
I dart over into the right lane and just slam it into third passing him very easily.
Toss it into fourth and get up to about 5500rpms
and just let off
Hearing my wonderful cackle[sm=smiley20.gif]
Then I notice him on the left side of me after a couple secs just looking forward still winding out his car.
Then I turn onto the highway and leave him be.
Didn't even wanna give me a thumbs up or nothin [:@]

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

Well they were racin, just cuz you werent doesnt mean he didnt win!


[Mad tyte stunna]I live my life a quarter mile at a time, nothing else matters, for those ten seconds or less, I'm free.[/Mad tyte stunna]

Yay! you're spayshul... you beat a probably stock b16 (bottom of the barrel for dohc vtec motors) swapped hatch with an ic3y h0t STUNTA. Nothing to brag about really.

Way to shut him up though.

If he really runs 13.5 then that really is a very respectable kill. That's what my Z ran stock.
I raced a civic at the strip that ran 13.9. It looked and sounded stock; I was very impressed.[:-]

200si i posted this because i knew you would have somethig stupid to say. He was the one telling me i would get shut down and telling me he beats up on Mustangs all day long at the track. I knew I would kill him so it wasnt very special in my eyes either. I do however enjoy racing Civic SI's............. In my buddys Focus SVT> LOL.

uhhh boy

uhhh boy

ORIGINAL: Casper98GT

200si i posted this because i knew you would have somethig stupid to say. He was the one telling me i would get shut down and telling me he beats up on Mustangs all day long at the track. I knew I would kill him so it wasnt very special in my eyes either. I do however enjoy racing Civic SI's............. In my buddys Focus SVT> LOL.


That things got a 4" Tip and SVT badges.
Of course it beats an SI

ORIGINAL: Casper98GT

200si i posted this because i knew you would have somethig stupid to say. He was the one telling me i would get shut down and telling me he beats up on Mustangs all day long at the track. I knew I would kill him so it wasnt very special in my eyes either. I do however enjoy racing Civic SI's............. In my buddys Focus SVT> LOL.



LOLOLOLOLOL!!! omg j00s funny!!!!11! A focus svt omg they are t3h roxxors!!! ;)

Anyway... I didn't say anything stupid, I just said that you're spayshul because you whooped up on a slow car with your big bad V8 and then bragged on it. whippity doo daa.... however, I did congratulate you by saying "way to shut him up."

But let me get this straight, you started this post simply because you knew it would stir up some sort of controversy and arguement. Isn't that grounds for punishment? *cough*looks at a moderator*cough*

i want to know why most of you v8 guys want to go make fun of hondas. make fun of the ricers driving the cars not the cars themselves. the 00 SIs have 100 hp per liter NA. no stock ford has that. that would be the same as your GT making 460 hp stock NA. i think hondas deserve some respect due to that fact and that they will run longer than any other car on the road.

Then why is your little man humpin the hell out of honda in your avatar?

he didnt post that race story looking for trouble he is in a mustang forum and he was just telling a simple story...and the b16 is the holy grail of the honda world i. b16 to honda is 350 to chevy

ORIGINAL: EmptyEvergreen

he didnt post that race story looking for trouble he is in a mustang forum and he was just telling a simple story...and the b16 is the holy grail of the honda world i. b16 to honda is 350 to chevy


He said it himself... here let me quote him...

200si i posted this because i knew you would have somethig stupid to say.


Now, care to tell me he posted it to just tell a simple story? hrmm.. ;)

And the B16 is not the top of the line B series, that'd be the b18c5. the B16 is the bottom of the barrel of the DOHC VTEC motors. Yes, it's true. It's got great potential but the B18c line has MUCH MUCH more.




I love this forum!!! :D:D

I see more blown headgaskets and Honda's in the junkyards here than I do domestic cars.

There is no truth to Japanese cars being more reliable than domestics any longer.

http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/article/holding_up.html

Read up, get educated.

sweet read...i didnt say the b16 is the best honda engine thing...i just said that every honda driver has pipe dreams of someday doing this swap..much like chevy fans that only have a 305 or a v6

why don't you drive your domestic at 8200 rpm for a while and then come talk to me about headgaskets

oh that's right, you big bad domestic boys make ALL your power down low and don't need to rev high- of course with all the pistons and displacement that you guys have tucked under your rusty hoods a honda motor could have made double the power

but i'm proud of the dude at the top who beat the b16 civic- but your posted best time is 14.5 and you managed to beat a 13.5 second civic?
was the air REALLY cold that night? is that what accounts for the full second or better that you shaved off your quarter mile time?

or did you just make your girlfriend get out of the car?

ORIGINAL: Dan02GT

I see more blown headgaskets and Honda's in the junkyards here than I do domestic cars.

There is no truth to Japanese cars being more reliable than domestics any longer.

http://autos.yahoo.com/consumerreports/article/holding_up.html

Read up, get educated.


Dan mucho respect to you... but what you just stated and the link you just gave... COMPLETELY contradicted each other...

The survey, the largest of its kind to gauge automotive reliability, yielded information on the serious problems our subscribers have faced with some 675,000 privately owned or leased cars, trucks, minivans, and sport-utility vehicles. It shows that among cars less than a year old, the average problem rate for European cars and trucks was 20 per 100 cars. For domestic vehicles, it was 18 per 100. In our 2002 subscriber survey, U.S. and European automakers were tied at about 21 problems per 100. The graph below shows the trend for vehicles up to eight years old.

Overall, the most reliable vehicles continue to be those from Asian automakers. The problem rate for the newest models among all Japanese and Korean vehicles is holding steady at 12 per 100.

As the comparison tables show, Acura, Honda, Infiniti, Lexus, Mazda, and Toyota have been the most reliable makes over the past five model years, based on the average problem rates. (Those averages can mask a wide range of problem rates among individual models; reliability varies from model to model for most makes.)

18 per 100 is a higher number than 12 per 100... I'm confused by your statement compared to the link you gave us???

its funny that slammed prelude created an account just to argue over this subject...dont come to mustang forums to argue about imports being better than domestics because you wont win here . so you might as well say im stupid or say im ugly or something

This will help clarify any questions.

http://www.cars.com/carsapp/wpost/?srv=parser&act=display&tf=/advice/bestworst/mostdepend/most_dependable_2004.tmpl

ORIGINAL: Slammed90lude

why don't you drive your domestic at 8200 rpm for a while and then come talk to me about headgaskets

oh that's right, you big bad domestic boys make ALL your power down low and don't need to rev high- of course with all the pistons and displacement that you guys have tucked under your rusty hoods a honda motor could have made double the power

but i'm proud of the dude at the top who beat the b16 civic- but your posted best time is 14.5 and you managed to beat a 13.5 second civic?
was the air REALLY cold that night? is that what accounts for the full second or better that you shaved off your quarter mile time?

or did you just make your girlfriend get out of the car?


Heh, I can't believe you are bored and lonely enough to register and argue here.

ORIGINAL: Dan02GT

This will help clarify any questions.

http://www.cars.com/carsapp/wpost/?srv=parser&act=display&tf=/advice/bestworst/mostdepend/most_dependable_2004.tmpl



no... not really because that says Ford is higher than the industry average... where as Honda is 60 points below it... are you making the points for my case, or yours?


Maybe I should just go have some coffee... ;)

Lexus 162
Buick 187
Infiniti 189
Lincoln 194
Cadillac 196
Honda 209


Man, what's so confusing ;)

Problems per 100 cars. Industry average is 269 problems per 100 cars. Drink up that coffee man! I don't see what you are so confused about bro. ;)

yeah kittens

ORIGINAL: Dan02GT

Lexus 162
Buick 187
Infiniti 189
Lincoln 194
Cadillac 196
Honda 209


Man, what's so confusing ;)

Problems per 100 cars. Industry average is 269 problems per 100 cars. Drink up that coffee man! I don't see what you are so confused about bro. ;)


Yeah I'm not confused on that part... I'm confused on how you're saying that you see more Hondas with problems than you do DOmestic cars. Ford is Domestic... and

Ford has 276 problems
Honda has 209 problems

276 >>>>>> 209

Are you drunk or am I missing the entire point? cause what you're saying makes no sense and has no relevance to this kill story whatsoever...

Someone pointed out Honda's having less problems and lasting longer.

Did you forget who owns Lincoln, Buick, Cadillac? GM & Ford....:)

ORIGINAL: Dan02GT

Someone pointed out Honda's having less problems and lasting longer.

Did you forget who owns Lincoln, Buick, Cadillac? GM & Ford....:)


Um alright.... those cars that never reach 50 mph & are never modified or beaten up on by teenagers have less problems. who would have thought?

Apparently Lincoln buick and cadillac are doing something that GM and Ford aren't, as Honda still scored higher than GM and Ford... but since Mustangs aren't built by Cadillac I'd say your point is null.

what ? teanagers..beating on....bah.....incredibly irrelevant. a majority of the people that drive hondas do it for the fuel economy. he proved a valid point your just specualting reasons why honda possibly couldnt have taken the top spot

I never said anything about Ford. Can't argue the facts man, I guess I should have known better than to post this.

Lincoln, Buick & Cadillac are more luxery based cars, (note Lexus being #1) Superior build quality, they are a GM & Ford product still. I don't know why you are so insistant about Honda placing higher than Ford's line of cars.

ORIGINAL: EmptyEvergreen

what ? teanagers..beating on....bah.....incredibly irrelevant. a majority of the people that drive hondas do it for the fuel economy. he proved a valid point your just specualting reasons why honda possibly couldnt have taken the top spot


No, i'm not sitting here speculating anything. I never said Honda was the car God would drive, we already know that is a Saleen S7. ;)

Apparently we were debating each other with two completely different arguements.

Being that we are on a Ford site I made the assumption he was here to defend Ford. He proved a valid point, but all he proved was that the luxury division of the domestic side has fewer problems than Honda as a whole, Honda including people with Si's, GSRs, and the upper models like the prelude and Accord... which teenagers get a hold of and beat the living **** out of.

That, to me at least, is kind of a given seeing as the people who drive Infiniti's, Cadillacs, etc aren't the same people who drive the sport compacts of Honda and the pony cars of Ford and Chevrolet.

He's comparing apples to oranges, which is my only problem with this topic.

but i like apples and oranges

Thats great, so Do i. but when you bite into one do you compare it to the other? no. so why would you compare grandpa cars to sport compacts and pony cars?

but since both are fruit they are subject to comparison..now you dont compare an apple to ..say a locomotive

Which you have a very valid point Si.

But, the simple belief as it still is that imports are the better car just isn't the story anymore. ;) I should have made it more clear that I wasn't trying say Ford's line of cars are better than Honda's. But, this is why I said domestic.

It's all good.

America rocks!!! lol I don't get why people with hondas or anything other than a mustang even come to this site. Anyone care to tell me?

ORIGINAL: ONE BAD GT

America rocks!!! lol I don't get why people with hondas or anything other than a mustang even come to this site. Anyone care to tell me?


Well, for one I'm not car brand loyal. I like Honda, I like Fords, I like Chevrolets. Two, it's fun here.

i still dont believe you when you say you like domestics si :)

Guys who cares about HP per liter? Only people without much HP thats who. Yeah so what if you can get 180 hp from 1.8L, its still only 180 hp. On a bike that is great power for a 4 cyl. So then if my car can make 100hp per liter will that shut them up? Its only a 7.5L do the math...

I also wonder why all of our domestics have to be rusty, care to guess how many rusted imports I have been forced to work on? Metal rusts, fact of life. Join a forum just to say one stupid thing to a bunch of Stang guys who couldnt care less about how fast a prelude really is. Moronic is the word that comes to mind.

Si, you sure defend Honda alot bro. It almost like you are gettin paid to do it :) I dont like them because I had to work on them. I have large hands and Honda has tight spaces. Crappy engineering IMO, GM and Ford have some of the same, but Honda puts stupid ideas into everything they build.Ever heard of pullin an axleshaft, strut/ spindle, and tilting an engine to change a bad alternator? When a simple alternator change pays 5-6 hours that doesnt show superior engineering. For Fords, Heater Core on a late 90's Lincoln, gotta pull the dash and disconnect the AC to do something it only take 30 minutes to do in most GM cars. #8 sparkplug on an LS1, you need to be a skinny kid with tiny hands to get that thing out. I can get one fingertip on it. Honda is touchy when it comes to alot of things. Ever rebuild a Honda trans? OMG shoot me before I ever think about doin another one, ok?

Hyundai is a POS right? Well they are easy as sin to work on. Timing belt on a Honda, takes all day and requires special tools. Timing belt on a Hyundai takes all of 3 wrench sizes and a bit over one hour. My dislike for Honda doesnt stem from kids puttin fart cans on, it comes from having to fix the stupid things. I like to work on the Mod motors, there is actually a bit of room around in there, its under stuff but you can get to things.

Racing a Honda is like a foot race with a 5th grader. Why bother cuz its not a great achievement when you win. If the 5th grader/Honda driver is sayin how fast he is, and saying he can whup your azz, then most of us seem to get stupid and put them in thier place. I have done it, we pretty much all have. What does it prove? They have something to prove, we dont.

obviously slammed lude the guy in the hatch was talkin out of his a**.i once took my lincoln ls v8 to 130+ racing a audi a4 i love racing in that auto it feels so smooth and doesnt feel like its working hard at high speeds, not trying to start anything but just saying buick, lincoln thier quick little luxuries...

ORIGINAL: 2000Si

But let me get this straight, you started this post simply because you knew it would stir up some sort of controversy and arguement. Isn't that grounds for punishment? *cough*looks at a moderator*cough*


His thread was nothing more than a kill story
Just don't start the name calling and crap

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

They have something to prove, we dont.



Apparently some of you do, as I'm seeing "so i flipped a uturn so i could race this civic hatch and prove that my GT is faster..." blah blah. Please....

ORIGINAL: iiiGTiii

obviously slammed lude the guy in the hatch was talkin out of his a**.i once took my lincoln ls v8 to 130+ racing a audi a4 i love racing in that auto it feels so smooth and doesnt feel like its working hard at high speeds, not trying to start anything but just saying buick, lincoln thier quick little luxuries...

lude=prelude... not a Civic hatch...

ORIGINAL: Obsol3te

His thread was nothing more than a kill story
Just don't start the name calling and crap

Do I really have to point out the post where he said he posted this because he knew I'd have something to say, meaning he wanted to get a rise out of me? :eek:

Ok guys lets just drop this theres no point it keeping at it till it comes to the point where the moderator has to delete the post or something. What would we have acheived out of it then. It's just a waste of time and a whole bunch of peoples opinions.

match point mysterious

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

Guys who cares about HP per liter? Only people without much HP thats who. Yeah so what if you can get 180 hp from 1.8L, its still only 180 hp. On a bike that is great power for a 4 cyl. So then if my car can make 100hp per liter will that shut them up? Its only a 7.5L do the math...

I also wonder why all of our domestics have to be rusty, care to guess how many rusted imports I have been forced to work on? Metal rusts, fact of life. Join a forum just to say one stupid thing to a bunch of Stang guys who couldnt care less about how fast a prelude really is. Moronic is the word that comes to mind.

Si, you sure defend Honda alot bro. It almost like you are gettin paid to do it :) I dont like them because I had to work on them. I have large hands and Honda has tight spaces. Crappy engineering IMO, GM and Ford have some of the same, but Honda puts stupid ideas into everything they build.Ever heard of pullin an axleshaft, strut/ spindle, and tilting an engine to change a bad alternator? When a simple alternator change pays 5-6 hours that doesnt show superior engineering. For Fords, Heater Core on a late 90's Lincoln, gotta pull the dash and disconnect the AC to do something it only take 30 minutes to do in most GM cars. #8 sparkplug on an LS1, you need to be a skinny kid with tiny hands to get that thing out. I can get one fingertip on it. Honda is touchy when it comes to alot of things. Ever rebuild a Honda trans? OMG shoot me before I ever think about doin another one, ok?

Hyundai is a POS right? Well they are easy as sin to work on. Timing belt on a Honda, takes all day and requires special tools. Timing belt on a Hyundai takes all of 3 wrench sizes and a bit over one hour. My dislike for Honda doesnt stem from kids puttin fart cans on, it comes from having to fix the stupid things. I like to work on the Mod motors, there is actually a bit of room around in there, its under stuff but you can get to things.

Racing a Honda is like a foot race with a 5th grader. Why bother cuz its not a great achievement when you win. If the 5th grader/Honda driver is sayin how fast he is, and saying he can whup your azz, then most of us seem to get stupid and put them in thier place. I have done it, we pretty much all have. What does it prove? They have something to prove, we dont.


http://www.mustangforums.com/upfiles/2937/asppg_Pn370693952.gif

You win.

But dude, everyone noes that hp/liter wins races dawg, hp/pound is played out g unit fiddy man. w00t!

ORIGINAL: Casper98GT

Hey OB, this story is for you. Tonight im bored with nothing to do. so i go out in my pony. I'm driving along, and i buzz around on the highway for a while, and then decide to take it in for the night. So im comming back and taking off from a red light slowly see headlights zipping in and out of people. He catches up to me and i laugh, i head his VTECH kick in and i pull hard in second, and catch up to him. And then i get behind him and he pulls a u-turn, so of course i follow. He then goes into a local resturant and pulls over and i come up to his window and he opens his door and comes over to my window. he says, not bad for 1,000 is it. I laugh and his buddy says. lol. Arent you the guy we jst smoked back there?" so be being prud of my v-8 i said. You wannarace that piece of ****? he says "yeah, anytime". So i said, how about now. Then he says by the way i just ran it a NEDW and i got a 13.5. I beat mustangs all day long. So i sid, lets go then. Then to top it off h says, you know its got a b-16 or o something. lol. and i have engine management, and a cold air kit with exhaust. lol. I was still happy for this race. S we pullout and there is a red light but one person is in the other lane. So i sit net to his car and hold up traffic and he said. ON 3. So i let him count and of course he takes off before me and i pull a car on him to 70 mph. we come bak together and he complains about traction. i laugh and yell from a 30. He down shifts and i saw go, we take off and i take almost 2 1/2 on him. and then another red light. We stop and go, i got a perfect launch and i killed him. He just shrugs his shoulders after he blows by me. We then went to his house and he shakes my hand and says, you must have a supercharger in this. So i said what i had and his buddy didnt belive me. Then i tell him to coem to NEDW this wednesday and he says ya. Cool kid, but doesnt know about cars. Another ricer killed with my SLO 4.6


LOL...Good kill...you gotta love the way they think...I bet he had intake and exhaust on that thing(common ricer mod)...That's instant 200 horsepower in the ricer world. LOL...:D

so you mustang guys are too good for less restrictive intakes and free flowing exhausts?

a motor is a motor bro, we all benefit from the same power adders

ORIGINAL: Slammed90lude

so you mustang guys are too good for less restrictive intakes and free flowing exhausts?

a motor is a motor bro, we all benefit from the same power adders


No....but we all know that intake and exhaust isn't going to put us on "#1 stunna in town" list. Where you think it adds 50+hp, we know better.

And actually, my motor would benefit more from an intake/exhaust than your motor, simply because it's bigger. I don't have a Mustang, but I did stay at a Holliday Inn Express last night.

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

Guys who cares about HP per liter? Only people without much HP thats who. Yeah so what if you can get 180 hp from 1.8L, its still only 180 hp. On a bike that is great power for a 4 cyl. So then if my car can make 100hp per liter will that shut them up? Its only a 7.5L do the math...

I also wonder why all of our domestics have to be rusty, care to guess how many rusted imports I have been forced to work on? Metal rusts, fact of life. Join a forum just to say one stupid thing to a bunch of Stang guys who couldnt care less about how fast a prelude really is. Moronic is the word that comes to mind.

Si, you sure defend Honda alot bro. It almost like you are gettin paid to do it :) I dont like them because I had to work on them. I have large hands and Honda has tight spaces. Crappy engineering IMO, GM and Ford have some of the same, but Honda puts stupid ideas into everything they build.Ever heard of pullin an axleshaft, strut/ spindle, and tilting an engine to change a bad alternator? When a simple alternator change pays 5-6 hours that doesnt show superior engineering. For Fords, Heater Core on a late 90's Lincoln, gotta pull the dash and disconnect the AC to do something it only take 30 minutes to do in most GM cars. #8 sparkplug on an LS1, you need to be a skinny kid with tiny hands to get that thing out. I can get one fingertip on it. Honda is touchy when it comes to alot of things. Ever rebuild a Honda trans? OMG shoot me before I ever think about doin another one, ok?

Hyundai is a POS right? Well they are easy as sin to work on. Timing belt on a Honda, takes all day and requires special tools. Timing belt on a Hyundai takes all of 3 wrench sizes and a bit over one hour. My dislike for Honda doesnt stem from kids puttin fart cans on, it comes from having to fix the stupid things. I like to work on the Mod motors, there is actually a bit of room around in there, its under stuff but you can get to things.

Racing a Honda is like a foot race with a 5th grader. Why bother cuz its not a great achievement when you win. If the 5th grader/Honda driver is sayin how fast he is, and saying he can whup your azz, then most of us seem to get stupid and put them in thier place. I have done it, we pretty much all have. What does it prove? They have something to prove, we dont.


Couldn't have said it better;) Slammedlude, we are referring to the people who put on a intake and a big exhaust tip and act like they are hot sh!t. It's just annoying when ricers like that talk crap just because they did 1 or 2 mods. You're starting with a 4 banger ....you need lots of mods (turbo, etc.) to even come close to keeping up with a V8 mustang. We're not saying they are crappy cars.

Si & I solved our dispute. Now it's time for the late responses ;)

ORIGINAL: Casper98GT
Hey OB, this story is for you. Tonight im bored with nothing to do. so i go out in my pony. I'm driving along, and i buzz around on the highway for a while, and then decide to take it in for the night. So im comming back and taking off from a red light slowly see headlights zipping in and out of people. He catches up to me and i laugh, i head his VTECH kick in and i pull hard in second, and catch up to him. And then i get behind him and he pulls a u-turn, so of course i follow. He then goes into a local resturant and pulls over and i come up to his window and he opens his door and comes over to my window. he says, not bad for 1,000 is it. I laugh and his buddy says. lol. Arent you the guy we jst smoked back there?" so be being prud of my v-8 i said. You wannarace that piece of ****? he says "yeah, anytime". So i said, how about now. Then he says by the way i just ran it a NEDW and i got a 13.5. I beat mustangs all day long. So i sid, lets go then. Then to top it off h says, you know its got a b-16 or o something. lol. and i have engine management, and a cold air kit with exhaust. lol. I was still happy for this race. S we pullout and there is a red light but one person is in the other lane. So i sit net to his car and hold up traffic and he said. ON 3. So i let him count and of course he takes off before me and i pull a car on him to 70 mph. we come bak together and he complains about traction. i laugh and yell from a 30. He down shifts and i saw go, we take off and i take almost 2 1/2 on him. and then another red light. We stop and go, i got a perfect launch and i killed him. He just shrugs his shoulders after he blows by me. We then went to his house and he shakes my hand and says, you must have a supercharger in this. So i said what i had and his buddy didnt belive me. Then i tell him to coem to NEDW this wednesday and he says ya. Cool kid, but doesnt know about cars. Another ricer killed with my SLO 4.6


ORIGINAL: Casper98GT

200si i posted this because i knew you would have somethig stupid to say. He was the one telling me i would get shut down and telling me he beats up on Mustangs all day long at the track. I knew I would kill him so it wasnt very special in my eyes either. I do however enjoy racing Civic SI's............. In my buddys Focus SVT> LOL.


That may have been partially the reason but the first thing he says...

Wow. I just sat back and read this whole thing. I did post this to cause a big fight. lol. j/k. I dont usually race people, but when someone flaunts what they have at me and direct it at me then im going to do what every normal person would do around here. Race them. Most of the people in my town get along and the "ricers" and import people know what they have and most keep their distance from the domestic guys. There are 2 car clubs around here that consist of IMPORTS, and or other 4 cylinders. I hang with them and work on their cars. The only time one of them asked me to race was a N.O.S equipped cavalier. Yeah i know i typed NOS because it had the brand name NOS. They are cool kids. So when i raced this Civic, i had never seen him before, so i went after him to chat for bit. Then he says he went to NEDW and beat up on Mustangs all day i wanted to see if he had anything. After i wasted him 3 times, i talked to him for a bit. Now he knows im faster its ok. And who ever said i knew i would win because of my big bad V8. Well, im only pushing 207 hp! Thats right, some imports have more than me!. And my big bad 14.5 in the quarter. Yeah I have been killed at NEDW bya 4 cyl. before. I dont care. He was the one boasting a 13.5. I knew what i ran, and i wanted to see if he was likethe usual ricer and talking ****. As for 2000SI, sorry if you took it to heart, but i knew when i posted this, you were one of the people that would post back for sure. lol. And then a couple ricers, saying that im now the great amerian hero because i beat an import. It was fun, neither of us got into a fight. ( I've seen it happen) and we both went home happy. Oh yeah and he did have a big fart can and a cold air intake that looks like he has an intercooler. I didnt think they made them, but i was wrong when thinking they didnt make fake blow-off valves.

hokay :)

now we're all on the same page- I def. agree about the kids who believe putting an intake and exhaust on their car thinks they have a ferrari- They piss me off just as much as they piss you guys off, because although you guys have a completely different car, I am unfortunately and unfairly grouped with those fags when it comes to honda crowd generalizations

i just want you guys to realize that even though I'm starting with a smaller motor, i'm starting with a drastically lighter car- MY civic has a stock motor found in acura integras and has thus far managed a best 1/4 pass of 13.8 @99 mph

i'm 5 grand into a car that is already running 13's, and while i'm not doing it with the massive brute force that you guys are, i'm still pulling similar times to a fair amount of mustang owners- And believe me, I def. understand that starting with a four banger is somewhat of a handicap, and that i will almost never keep up with a mustang all motor- But a good turbo setup on my motor will move me down into the 12's for about 15k, which i still feel like less than most of you have spent on yours cars and that is why honda appeals to me

and please don't think that just because i like hondas means i don't think any other car on the road is even worth the rubber it rides on- everyone of us is interested in the same thing- and that's going fast- whether you do it in a honda, a mustang, a corvette, or your mom's minivan- if it's fast it's cool with me

just didn't want to get off on too much of the wrong foot here :)

:)
Well I'm about 11k deep including cost of my car and only at a 13.2@111 so far
But I've been plantin money in other things for my eventual new block with the stroker
If I had bought heads a long time ago I'd of been where I am now much sooner and a lot less cash

i am at $2000 mods and running numbers most people can't beleive. i bought the car for $10000. i don't have nitrous or FI and it's a v6 stang running low 14s

Once again 2000Si has to stand up for a weak honda that was out looking for an asswhoopin! The guy even said "arent you the one we just beat"! That in itself deserves an asswhoopin! They drive their fart cans around like they are the sh!t then you blame us for beating up on them. Makes no sense to me.

Yes... if there were two cars left in the world, that being a honda and the other being a Mustang, then the Stang would be the end of all cars!

ORIGINAL: jdaniel

Once again 2000Si has to stand up for a weak honda that was out looking for an asswhoopin! The guy even said "arent you the one we just beat"! That in itself deserves an asswhoopin! They drive their fart cans around like they are the sh!t then you blame us for beating up on them. Makes no sense to me.

Yes... if there were two cars left in the world, that being a honda and the other being a Mustang, then the Stang would be the end of all cars!


Uh... I never stood up for the guy out looking to get his ass beat by a GT... not once did I defend him, his car, or his actions in any way.

ORIGINAL 2000Si

Anyway... I didn't say anything stupid, I just said that you're spayshul because you whooped up on a slow car with your big bad V8 and then bragged on it. whippity doo daa....

*clears throat!*

ORIGINAL: jdaniel

ORIGINAL 2000Si

Anyway... I didn't say anything stupid, I just said that you're spayshul because you whooped up on a slow car with your big bad V8 and then bragged on it. whippity doo daa....

*clears throat!*


nice exclamation... had to make sure we got the point of your clearing your throat. ;)

How is that defending the moron in the hatch? That has nothing to do with defending him, that has to do with making fun of the guy bragging about beating up on a hatch just because he wanted to.

this should probably end now

speaking of ricers with fart cans.. don't you love how when you blow them away right off and then just shut down cause it isn't much of a race, that they just continue to floor it to zoom past you? i guess it makes them feel as though they've actually won or accomplished something. i prefer not to really race anyone the way it is (not until i get a few decent mods at least), especially ricers. a lot of the time i'm just driving and getting up to the speed limit decently quick and then i look over a few seconds later (after they've finally caught up) and see/hear a bumble bee ricer smiling & laughing as they pass me.

anyone living in NOVA can vouch for me there. this place is filled with asian cuisine with coffee cans.

whoops forgot to put a comma this is what i ment to say ....obviously slammed lude, the guy in the hatch.......etc sorry

ORIGINAL: 2000Si

ORIGINAL: jdaniel

ORIGINAL 2000Si

Anyway... I didn't say anything stupid, I just said that you're spayshul because you whooped up on a slow car with your big bad V8 and then bragged on it. whippity doo daa....

*clears throat!*


nice exclamation... had to make sure we got the point of your clearing your throat. ;)

How is that defending the moron in the hatch? That has nothing to do with defending him, that has to do with making fun of the guy bragging about beating up on a hatch just because he wanted to.



Come on now, Si... I been here long enough to know how everyone works. It just happens that when a kill story is posted about a rice burner you get all defensive and say we shouldnt pick on "smaller cars" so on and so forth. I mean I dont really care to tell you the truth. If I were on a Lamborghini website and some guy said he whooped up on a Mustang I would say the same thing you are saying. LOL But these guys in rice go out looking to race there 1.8L with fart cans. So obvisously they are in the wrong. LOL

No problems... just explaining my opinion. ;)


ORIGINAL EmptyEvergreen

this should probably end now

Who died and made you god? Its a simple converstaion. It happens all the time. ;) Relax, bud! LOL

ORIGINAL: iiiGTiii

whoops forgot to put a comma this is what i ment to say ....obviously slammed lude, the guy in the hatch.......etc sorry


Actually he's not. a prelude is not a civic hatch, didn't I already explain this once??? Christ, do any of you actually pay attention?

Come on now, Si... I been here long enough to know how everyone works. It just happens that when a kill story is posted about a rice burner you get all defensive and say we shouldnt pick on "smaller cars" so on and so forth. I mean I dont really care to tell you the truth. If I were on a Lamborghini website and some guy said he whooped up on a Mustang I would say the same thing you are saying. LOL But these guys in rice go out looking to race there 1.8L with fart cans. So obvisously they are in the wrong. LOL

No problems... just explaining my opinion.

Maybe I do get a little defensive, but in this instance I was in no way defending the little homo in his hatch. All I ever did was make fun of the guy with a 98 GT flipping uturns to catch a race with a car. You act like the civics are the only people who do stupid **** to catch a race, well flipping a uturn is pretty stupid in and of itself. You don't know me, and you don't know what I'm thinking so stop pretending you know everything jd and let it go. For someone who doesn't care, you sure helped to whore out this last page.

i dont think its really defensive. on the wrx site's, if i went around saying i whooped on some civic people would give me a hard time too. no one really cares if you beat hondas, just like no one cares if you lose to one. if i were to post that i got owned by a civic some stock 93 GT guy would still say the car is worthless. ignorance is bliss.

ORIGINAL: iwrxit

i dont think its really defensive. on the wrx site's, if i went around saying i whooped on some civic people would give me a hard time too. no one really cares if you beat hondas, just like no one cares if you lose to one. if i were to post that i got owned by a civic some stock 93 GT guy would still say the car is worthless. ignorance is bliss.



Thank you.

I never said anythinh about Civics, Si. I dont care what it is... it could be anything with a honda, mitsubishi or any other type of rice and if its getting raced then obvisously its a dumbass doing it.

And yes... I have been here long enough to know that YOU defend them all the time. But maybe you wasnt in this case. No hard feelings.

You know the other day i was talking with a friend and he thinks Hondas are the best thing since fried rice and says they last longer then Domestic cars. Well way i see it is Back in the early 90s and 80s Honda guys wasnt trying to race. Now since that Fast N Furious came out. Since that movie you see Hondas trying to race everywhere. Back in th 90s and 80s a Honda would last longer cause most people bought them to have a nice ride with good gas mileage , NOT to DRAG race with. So being that kids and adults drive them like Nascars they gonna break. But when i look on the streets i dont see many early model hondas anymore there are a few but i see tons of old fords and chevys everywhere. See when you purchase a mustang or LS1 you know its gonna take a pounding and if it makes it to 200,000 miles before overhaul you a lucky man.Example when some of you bought a used mustang 5.0 , you knew it was raced and abused before laying ur eyes on it..RIGHT? Yea!! So what im getting at is back when everyone drove around 90 -110 hp Hondas you aint gonna break much except maybe wipers. And another point is price a Honda compared to a Ford Focus or any car in its class. One last thing America hasnt been up on 4 cyl cars very long!! Just like Hondas hasnt been making V-6s very long.When i say very long im saying in last 15 or 20 years. Im a old guy so thats not long to me.Trust me im not kncking on Hondas just saying when they start producing alot more HP and TQ the reliability is gonna go way way way down. :D Also my 95 chevy astro van is almost at 166,000 miles never had motor changed or nothing, only had to fix normal stuff hoses, tires. My point being here is i drive my van 80 mph on highways but i dont drag race in it so its gonna last. Just my 2 cents! [8D]

ORIGINAL: iiiGTiii

whoops forgot to put a comma this is what i ment to say ....obviously slammed lude, the guy in the hatch.......etc sorry

I understand you iiGTiii. You meant to say, (and dont know how ANYONE is dumb enough not to understand it.) Obviously Slammedlude. The guy in the hatch... blah blah blah. TWO DIFFERENT things were being said 2000SI. DO... YOU...UNDERSTAND....NOW?????? He was replying to Slammedlude. easy as that.

The other thing, When the ricer does a drive by and cuts a u-turn, i decided to go after him and see what he had in his car. He then proceeds to ask me if i was the Mutang he just whopped. And then tells me he kills Mustangs all day long at the track. So i thought it mightbe fun to race. I was wondering how i would match up with a 13.5 second Civic. Thats all. You know.... come to think of it you dont understand alot. First you dont understand DAN02's points, then you dont understand iiiGTiii's point, now mine. I give up. Im moving on. From now on im posting my stret/strip storys i the North east section.

you guys are great. good kill on the civic hatch. i agree the guy really was asking for it. sometimes you have to "knock" people back to reality. did he run you with his passenger in the car? and was the run close or did you just straight up kill him?

ORIGINAL: Stinger

You know the other day i was talking with a friend and he thinks Hondas are the best thing since fried rice and says they last longer then Domestic cars.
As whats his name showed us a little while ago, Domestic cars do have their good brands. However, those aren't beat up on like sports cars, IE why they last.

Now since that Fast N Furious came out. Since that movie you see Hondas trying to race everywhere. Back in th 90s and 80s a Honda would last longer cause most people bought them to have a nice ride with good gas mileage , NOT to DRAG race with. So being that kids and adults drive them like Nascars they gonna break.
I've literally beat the **** out of my Si, and I haven't had one single problem with it, oh and it hasn't had a tune up since before I bought it. (almost 38k to 54k miles now)
People have been swapping and racing Hondas since well before FnF came out. STOP saying this... it's annoying.

And another point is price a Honda compared to a Ford Focus or any car in its class.
Class for class, they're pretty close. the Si was about 18,9xx new.. the Focus SVT is about 19,3xx new.

Trust me im not kncking on Hondas just saying when they start producing alot more HP and TQ the reliability is gonna go way way way down. :D
Just let me say, I in no way took offense to anything you said...I just had a few things to say. Thats the one thing about the Si motor, it has a 1.74 A/R. This motor could make 300 hp and do it for 100k miles PLUS... beat to death and still run. Engineering goes a long way.

ORIGINAL: Slammed90lude



i'm 5 grand into a car that is already running 13's, and while i'm not doing it with the massive brute force that you guys are, i'm still pulling similar times to a fair amount of mustang owners- And believe me, I def. understand that starting with a four banger is somewhat of a handicap, and that i will almost never keep up with a mustang all motor- But a good turbo setup on my motor will move me down into the 12's for about 15k, which i still feel like less than most of you have spent on yours cars and that is why honda appeals to me



For the same $5k you spent I had a street legal car that would run down the high way no problem running 11's. For way less than the $15k you are talking about I will have a 9 sec street car that runs on pump gas. It will get 9 sec car mileage, but its not my daily driver. So far I have about $7k wrapped up in the new engine. Everything is new except the block and I have planned on it lasting thru alot of bracket racing and street abuse. Yes its an old car, only paid $200 for the body back in 1991.

My daily driver gets 18mpg, has a 7.5L engine, auto trans, weighs 4200lbs with me in it, had 2.93 gears a stock converter and ran easy 13.5's @ 100-105 all day long. I drove it cross country more than once and grand total including buying it for $1000 is $5500. Its a daily driver so I left most of the weight in it. It has only stranded me once about two years ago when the ignition module went out. Plus as it gets older and I put more effort into it, it increases in value, due to it being a 70 GTO.

I can see your point that its cheap for you because you need something dependable that came with an engine. When I buy a car, I dont even care if it runs. You dont have to be like me. You dont have to be an ASE certified Master Tech to have a car, nor to have a fast one.

What you have done with yours is admirable, you would surprise quite a few people with it. My point is, if you spent the money on another car, got educated about all the intimate workings of a car, you can go fast cheap. If you get the right car it will only get more valuable. In 5 or ten yers what happens to the value of your lude? In 20 years what will it be worth?

Bottom line is if you want to have a car, and you want to make it fast, you can work with what you have right now or you can wait till you find something that has the potential to run already. More potential means faster for less money. Newer cars = more $$. Its very simple.

Reliablity is another thing. Si I doubt it could make 300hp for 100k miles. Just from a mechanical engineering stand point. I dont really want to get into ti withya bro, just tellin ya my opinion. Do and we can find out, ok?

Lude due you are okay as long as you dont have the tude. Im not a typical Ford guy, even though I do have them..lol Sorry about the book.

i am king of the forum this tpoic should be killed all arguments have been presented, get what you want from them and live happily

emptyevergreen ... we have to keep the thread going ... its a must.

so here ... its great that i get 100 hp per liter. :) but it sucks that i only have 1.6 liters. :(

Mysterious ... i had a 85 prelude that was paid for just laying in my driveway. the body was in mint condition and the engine had over 200,000 miles on it. this is before i got into cars. i didn't drive it that much so i sold the car. now i wish i had keep it ... because it would have been alot better to mod that car since it was paid for than to mod my current civic and be making payments on it at the same time. i could have made it a "fun" daily driver for cheap. i agree with you, its definately better to mod an older car because it cheaper. that means more money into performance. if i had kept the lude i would have made it a 12 sec car. nothing too fast, but in a car that size it would have been a fun ride. not to mention it would of been a good sleeper.

Cool how much does a streetable N/A Prelude cost to build? Just curious...

$3000 to $5000 ... shopping wisely. and honestly that will only be a 13 sec car. a 12 sec n/a prelude would be alot more and in my opinion too expensive. if 12 secs or below is wanted then fi would be the cheaper route.

thats wierd because a 13 second n/a prelude is make believe like leprechauns dragons and eskimos

Hey i have seen eskimoes before... so they are real.:D

ORIGINAL: EmptyEvergreen

thats wierd because a 13 second n/a prelude is make believe like leprechauns dragons and eskimos


I see leprechauns and dragons all the time... When it's on TV it has to be real... ;)

If you're going to generalize a statement like that I'd suggest doing a bit of research before hand... I KNOW that there are NA 13 second Preludes. Hell there's 14 second stock Accords out there, and Preludes have motors that are just as powerful and just as easy to modify, if not easier.

H22a1 > your statement.

you obviously missed the simpsons reference...:(

haven't watched the simpsons in months... bleh... sorry. [sm=imsorry.gif]

i havent watched them in a couple seasons show has grown stagnant

hey Si. you said the b18c5(type r motor) is the king of the Honda motors......why not the H22.......isnt Steph running the h22 turboed and all that good sh!t ?? i mean, an h22 in a civic, modded, is pretty damn quick if not fast. i just want another Honda so i can do what i was gonna do w/ my lx :( but, im not starting anything in here. sh!ts too deep already. haha and didnt Lude say his car was a civic with a lude motor........or was he just "saying" that a civic with a lude motor blah blah blah ??

Well, the H22 is better power wise, but it's also heavier & it's not a direct bolt in into a Civic. I should have said the B18c5 ITR motor is the king of the US market B series motors.

the h22 is around 40-60 lbs heavier than a b16 swap and not much more than a b18. the difference is suspension geometry and power delivery. the heavy understeer will come from an earlier powerband in the lightweight honda chassis. the kid i sold my civic to has an h22 in there and can run a low 8 in the 1/8th. the b18 is the king of honda motors due to the parts interchangability with the b16 and the swell in displacement. b18c5 or b16b for me.

well hell. maybe ill just stick with the gsr/type-r then IF i get another Honda. thanks Si and wrx. i guess i just like power. :D

Since I havent been on here to watch the thread I am gonn back up a tad.

FI to run 12's? Must suck. How does a TT 482ci non intercooled off the shelf aftermarket engine making 2880 hp and 2100ftlbs sound? Yeah it does run 44psi and a max of 52psi. Max RPM is 8200 and the dyno couldnt hold it down so the readings might be a bit under what its actually making. That is a conservative tune sa well.

I could duplicate it for under $20k really easy. I just dont have a car I can put that kinda power in. It really needs a tube frame.

Want a link? I can provide. ps is not a Chevy either...

Sorry this thread is getting a little strange... GRN just take ur money you gonna use to purchase this Honda etc and fix your mustang bro. Unless you just gotta have Honda. Tell me you not giving up the stang to get a honda to get HP? Cause your going backwards bro.Nothing against WRX and Si cause i like them alot and keep up us up to date on overseas cars but just fix the stang up,you already own it .And i tell you what if you do go Honda lol sale me your LX so i can fix it to blow buy your honda. HEHEHE .. Just let me know i can make room for another mustang in my yard.On a serious note thought whats wrong with your LX? You need help or advice? Im not tying to be a jerk just really cerious what going on. :D

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

Since I havent been on here to watch the thread I am gonn back up a tad.

FI to run 12's? Must suck. How does a TT 482ci non intercooled off the shelf aftermarket engine making 2880 hp and 2100ftlbs sound? Yeah it does run 44psi and a max of 52psi. Max RPM is 8200 and the dyno couldnt hold it down so the readings might be a bit under what its actually making. That is a conservative tune sa well.

I could duplicate it for under $20k really easy. I just dont have a car I can put that kinda power in. It really needs a tube frame.

Want a link? I can provide. ps is not a Chevy either...


who cares about big TTs this and that? Hello understeer!! Not Everyone is into cars just for the straightaway. I'd rather like my car to be able to carve corners on the back road without ending up in a ditch for oversteering from having a 3000 lb engine under my hood.

For the cost of a 482 TT motor I could have one hell of a street terror in a B18 and still be able to out corner you.

3000 hp isnt really a corner car now is it? Once again the I can come up with something better than that takes over. lol. It weighs about the same as my completely iron engine fully dressed.

If you want to do some raod course work, well I can hook that up too, you wont gain enough in the corners to make up for the straights because I can build a car to turn just as well as go fast in a straight line. I cant really rag on ya too much about not having done it yet Si, cuz you are still young and I am almost twice your age. I have had more time to do things. Go ahead and build your Honda and I will pull out an old beat up TA throw about $4k at it, and you will be wonderin why you cant catch up to it.

Still I havent seen many all mighty Supra engines puttin down that kinda power, oh wait thats right they arent 8L are they? hhhmmmm....

dont be silly. at supras invade las vegas 4 cars had 1000hp engines on stock internals and street driven.

supra do have very strong internals from the factory. but isn't that the way it should be for a factory f/i car? does the cobra have stronger internals than the gt? just wondering since it comes with the charger. and mysterious i understand what your saying, a larger displacement engine should always have more potential than a smaller engine.

and iwrxit you hear about the 9 sec street driven supra in phoenix?

ORIGINAL: Mysterious

3000 hp isnt really a corner car now is it? Once again the I can come up with something better than that takes over. lol. It weighs about the same as my completely iron engine fully dressed.

If you want to do some raod course work, well I can hook that up too, you wont gain enough in the corners to make up for the straights because I can build a car to turn just as well as go fast in a straight line. I cant really rag on ya too much about not having done it yet Si, cuz you are still young and I am almost twice your age. I have had more time to do things. Go ahead and build your Honda and I will pull out an old beat up TA throw about $4k at it, and you will be wonderin why you cant catch up to it.

Still I havent seen many all mighty Supra engines puttin down that kinda power, oh wait thats right they arent 8L are they? hhhmmmm....


I don't care about catching up to a gas hog. While you're sitting at the gas pump filling your 20 gallon tank up with that crisp 100 dollar bill I'll still be going down the highway on my merry way making 30 mpg easy at 100 mph.

Dang my replys dont get any rude comments... OHHH HECKY DERN!! HAHAHAH Have a great day fellas ....:D

Si ya think that would be the only car I have? Who would daily drive a 2khp car? Especially one on methanol? Dont let the I cant compete with it ricer feeling out. Its okay if you dont have a car that makes that much power, I just like that it was done with something other than a Chevy or Ford. No it wasnt an import either...lol.


Your car doesnt have to be better at anything. I dont even own that engine and I cant afford it yet either. But its nice to know I could do it and dream about it. Untill then keep your car payment and your timed witha calandar ets and i will eat a bit more gas and run faster and also spend less per month on my car. :)

here comes si calling upon irrelevant information once he doesnt have anything to say

ORIGINAL: EmptyEvergreen

here comes si calling upon irrelevant information once he doesnt have anything to say


Here comes emptyevergreen with more inane posts on a topic that should just die off because it's a never ending dead heat. Seriously, you have nothing to contribute to this conversation.

However, I don't see how bringing up gas mileage and handling is irrelevent seeing as thats what sport compacts are built for. I never said my car was the fastest, or the best. I just said that it can compete with anything. The fun thing here is, your mega hp car isn't your "daily driver" is it even street legal Mys?

its irrelevant becuase the argument was over performance not pros and cons of the different types of vehicles