What!!!? When has a F-body ever cost more than a mustang, I am a GM fan and I do think it is kinda ugly, but also your saying f-body's don't have as much quilty as what?.. mustangs, come on both cars are pretty much built the same, Ford will have to step it up.. even if there isn't a new camaro, The challen will have about 400hp and it took ford what 3 years to equal the power of a 02 Trans Am "Ls1" I do also hope they keep up with dodge as I would much rather own a mustang than anything made by dodge. They will all be mid 30k cars, These 'muscle cars" have always been america's bang for the buck,. The f-body's may of died for many diff reasons and Ford has stepped up. Finaly.. now dodge is going to make there run at it, Which just leaves ford. Camaro or firebird I sure hope one of them come out to compete with ford and dodge
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I really thought I would learn alot from this site but my god, people be honest and open to all american cars, " A rip off of the mustang" my god its not shaped as a box with 250 hp is it??? no, "Built to keep up with thunderbirds" no i think you mean the Monte would be more of a challenge, "Gm hasn't build a camaro to keep up with the mustang sense 93" you mean 92 is the last year the mustang even came close, The intro of the getto slut Lt1 was the end of anything put in a mustang till 05. The Fox boxs did well untill the lt1 came out, After that no 5.0 or 4.6 was up to par with the Lt1 or Ls1, " I think 400hp is a lil much" I really have no idea where you where going with that one. The corba's are badass I do give ya all that, the 03 newer ones put down some hella power, I have always resecpted mustangs as foes and Friends on the street and strip, America pride is going away weather we all like it or not, " don't bring up that f-body's where built in canada". We are losing all of are bussiness to Honda and other imports, Mustang has been the only choice for a few years and the new models have sold a **** load. What is wrong with the GTO besides its weighs way to much. It has alot of power and is equal with the new mustangs Gt"s, price and power. I look forward to something else american made.... I'm sick of seeing nothing but imports, I"ll never be a fan of a 4banger even if it is in a evo kicking alot of V8 ass "yes thats you to mustang owners" The imports are getting faster and not everyone wants to own a mustang so welcome other american made cars to compete...
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Who the hell cares if Wustang outsells the Camaro. Women buyers has alot to do with that stat. What does that tell you? Camaro is all in your face power and faster, thats all I care about. None of you Mustang faithfull want Camaro back, admit it. Remember, Mustang is the top of the line high performance car Ford has (not counting the GT40) and GM will never make a car faster than its flagship cars the Corvette's. Even with this handycap the Camaro has outperformed the Mustang since 1993! Ford has to continue slapping superchargers on there engines to give them BALLS and keep up with LS1,s. It seems that thats all Im reading on these forums, but...,but...,Mustang outsold Camaro, so what, as long as they build it Ill buy one! and if not, Ill keep on racking up the kills on my SS with anything Ford has to throw at me. Camaro does not appeal to everyone, only the true GO FASTER THAN YOU enthusiast!
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Who the hell cares if Wustang outsells the Camaro. Women buyers has alot to do with that stat. What does that tell you? Camaro is all in your face power and faster, thats all I care about. None of you Mustang faithfull want Camaro back, admit it. Remember, Mustang is the top of the line high performance car Ford has (not counting the GT40) and GM will never make a car faster than its flagship cars the Corvette's. Even with this handycap the Camaro has outperformed the Mustang since 1993! Ford has to continue slapping superchargers on there engines to give them BALLS and keep up with LS1,s. It seems that thats all Im reading on these forums, but...,but...,Mustang outsold Camaro, so what, as long as they build it Ill buy one! and if not, Ill keep on racking up the kills on my SS with anything Ford has to throw at me. Camaro does not appeal to everyone, only the true GO FASTER THAN YOU enthusiast!
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Who the hell cares if Wustang outsells the Camaro. Women buyers has alot to do with that stat. What does that tell you? Camaro is all in your face power and faster, thats all I care about. None of you Mustang faithfull want Camaro back, admit it. Remember, Mustang is the top of the line high performance car Ford has (not counting the GT40) and GM will never make a car faster than its flagship cars the Corvette's. Even with this handycap the Camaro has outperformed the Mustang since 1993! Ford has to continue slapping superchargers on there engines to give them BALLS and keep up with LS1,s. It seems that thats all Im reading on these forums, but...,but...,Mustang outsold Camaro, so what, as long as they build it Ill buy one! and if not, Ill keep on racking up the kills on my SS with anything Ford has to throw at me. Camaro does not appeal to everyone, only the true GO FASTER THAN YOU enthusiast!
This is true snake.........but if GM doesn't sell cars then all the Camaro enthusiasts will have to hold onto is what is on the streets now. That's all good and well, but there are plenty of GM fans who want a "new" Camaro that will not only perform well, but sell well enough to stick around to compete year for year with the mustang for a long time to come. There are just alot of ppl out there who want to see the new Camaro come out and kick the dog***t outta Ford's new mustang....but many won't even be buying one if it does. GM doesn't need fanboys, they need customers. So you can slop off the whole "crappy sales" issue that killed off the Camaro in the first place, but I can promise you that GM won't build a new car that it will lose money on just to keep its enthusiasts happy for two or three years. "Who the hell cares if Wustang outsells the Camaro?"...........GM does. And if you want to see the Camaro ever return to the street in modern form......you better too. I personally want to see the Camaro come out in kickass form. I can't imagine any "real" mustang enthusiast that would be so yellowbacked as to be afraid of the return of some real competition. As far as your disgust with the opinions on this forum....maybe you should look at the header at the top of the page: "Mustang Forums". What were you expecting? But to be honest, I've heard just as many negative comments on the new Camaro concept from Camaro enthusiasts as I have from Mustang guys. So pipe down dude, if your SS is so g**damn badass then it shouldn't matter to you whether a new Camaro will be hitting the streets or not.
Im with you Blood . I hate it when LS1 guys go on other sites and say how great there cars are , like they have the copyrite to the thing. Ford is out to do one thing . Make money. If Mustangs outsell F-bodys then I am sure Ford has no problem with leaving everything alona as-is. I like the new 05 body style. I also think people are underestimateing the Chalenger. I will be glad when everthing hits the street and people either put up or shut up...
Why walk into a pony corral and stir up trouble like it's been said before it is a mustang forum kind of silly to find too many sides to a die hard entusiast. most people either like it or hate it but at the end of the day their cash speccialy the members to these forums is going into their favorite pony...or in your case SS or whatever can't wait to see what they come out with...could care less if it kicks the hell out of my fox body...at the end of the day I will love my mustang pay respect where it is due and then go party with the HORDES of other pony enthusiasts with the same love for their cars as I have for mine.
Hey guys, Isnt the post about NEW CAMARO? I share my opinions on many forums. The Concept Camaro is all over "your" forums and as a Camaro loyalist Im interisted to find out what the competition thinks about it. Is that wrong? I see Ford owners all over the ls1 and camaro/transamm sights and love the added feedback and topics. Thisblood147 makes a good point, GM should care! I guess what I want to do is convince Mustang owners of the marvel that is the LS1/LS2/LS6 lines and even the LT1's. Their impressive in stock form and just plain nasty on only a heads and cam package! Not to mention reliable.
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Hey guys, Isnt the post about NEW CAMARO? I share my opinions on many forums. The Concept Camaro is all over "your" forums and as a Camaro loyalist Im interisted to find out what the competition thinks about it. Is that wrong? I see Ford owners all over the ls1 and camaro/transamm sights and love the added feedback and topics. Thisblood147 makes a good point, GM should care! I guess what I want to do is convince Mustang owners of the marvel that is the LS1/LS2/LS6 lines and even the LT1's. Their impressive in stock form and just plain nasty on only a heads and cam package! Not to mention reliable.
WEll snake, visit the Street/strip section of our forums and listen to alot of our regulars. MOST of us actually do have plenty of respect for the LS fbodies. Hell, a few of our moderators OWN LS1 and LS2 cars. And just about ALL of us recognize that those cars outdid the mustang stock for stock, year for year since the early 90's. Oh yea, you'll see some trash talkin........but really that's to be expected. At the end of the day, many of us (myself included) don't need convincing to tell us what an awesome package the LS fbodies and LT1's are. Trust me, we know. lol. We've spent over a decade making up for 1.1 liter disadvantage that Ford left us with.....and I don't think there are too many of us who are disheartened by it. As for the Camaro concept, well.....lets not all judge this egg before it hatches. It IS a concept car, and we all know how much cars change from concept to production. We'll just have to wait and see when it gets here, then we'll see where all the chips fall
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Yeah, but his point is our '06GT is still slower then the old '98 LS1. Sad.
True, but we both bought one didn't we? I'm not too broken up about the stock power output, or lack thereof. I will go about increasing that hp in my own way as many other 05/06 owners will also. It's become something of the mustang culture since 94 to enjoy finding ways to get over that "hump" that Ford gave us that the fbodies didn't have to get over. I don't think its anything to get yourself down about. In the end, its all about how much you love and enjoy the car you drive. If it can outdo the guy next to you, so much the better. But, for me, I know I won't be disgusted enough to get rid of my car if it happens to lose to someone in a car I don't like. That would be dumb. Drive it, love it........and if it doesn't feel fast enough........MOD IT!
I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO WITH THE CAMARO, just as long as they actually produce it, giving Ford some competition. Competition will hopefully force Ford to put out a better product and force them to keep the Mustang affordable. Maybe, someday in the near future, we may see dealerships actually giving out incentives to folks trying to buy new Mustangs. Right now, that sounds crazy, but the buzz about the new Stang is still fresh.
I LOVE the fact that chevy is poping out a couple new models! The camaro looks good but the challenger looks great. Like others have said all this will do is make BOTH companies work harder to keep our business which will in fact make all of our choices BETTER. As has been said B4 they are BOTH AMERICAN, so im glad its being done we need to KILL off the import cars!!!!
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In the past, honestly, much of my Camaro dislike stemmed from the look of the car itself and not as much of the rivalry between their owners and Mustang owners. I liked the 67-69 style because it had some character. After 69, they just got worse and worse until it became a lifeless wedge of a car. Performance wise, they were definitely superior in the 90's all the way up until production stopped, but going fast and looks have to go hand in hand, which is why I've always preferred stangs. This new concept however looks amazing, I admit it.
It will be interesting to see if the car changes much from concept to production. The new style mustang changed (I believe) more than Ford promised it wouldn't, and for the worse. I still loved the 05's, but the concept had such an amazing and doable design I was left wondering why they felt they had to change it. One of the things that made me so excited when I actually saw the concept Mustang was that it didn't appear that it would have to be changed that much. I also seem to remember Ford not providing us with the engine it would have in production at the time of the concept, it was left a mystery for a few months. It's going to be interesting to see if Chevy can build this supposedly 400 hp monster for slightly under 30 to remain competitve with the Mustang. GTO's with the same engine are around 35, and the Charger with the 360hp HEMI can't be found for under 30. We'll see, it should be interesting. But I do hope they make it, and I hope the Challenger makes its return as well.
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