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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/8/2006 8:07:00 PM   
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****, your kidding... I just put the whole pan back on and put the cork seal right between the pan and the block with no rtv except around the holes. And i put RTV between all 4 parts of the gaskets( corners). ahh geez, we will see tomarrow after it all dries and i throw oil in it what happens! You all say no performer. What manifold/carb setup should i get that is dual plane and has workings with ford kickdown carbs?? Prefably cheaper! Thats why i like the edelbrock series. Also i know they will work together. -Jon

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/8/2006 8:58:07 PM   
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PERFORMER RPM, with a Holley with ford kick down. There was a nice little combo at Summit that had a wieland stealth intake, with Holley carb and i think a lunati carm for 600-700. I think there is one without a cam though. A wieland stealth is also a good intake for a 289.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/8/2006 10:47:34 PM   
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Hey! is this the correct kickdown lever?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-1970-mustang-cougar-auto-transmission-kickdown-rod_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34208QQhashZitem180034886720QQihZ008QQitemZ180034886720QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Also, how does that lever work, i saw it on the side of the tranny. is it just a switch that needs pusing back/fourth? how much travel does it need?? I see on holleys online website manual the carb i have WILL work with a ford kickdown attachment on the side which i believe it has.


Also why am i convinced on a performer manifold. The car isnt runnong correctly, it just doesnt feel right at lower rpm's Boggs and i see because of the powerband of the manifold and combination is bad. After i replace the kickdown rod i will see if it does better and then redo the headgaskets and at which time i would like to to the intake manifold then. Mainly, i would like to switch to a dual plane for smoother low end power. -Jon

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 12:35:24 AM   
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The manifold is only part of the problem. If you have a lumpy idle and the car is somewhat tuned, the cam will be too big for low end power. Get the carb tuned/rebuilt properly and attach the kick down, then see how it runs. If it comes on strong above 3k and you want low end, you'll need to replace the cam with something smaller....or just live with more power.

The Stealth intake is about the best 2-plane you can get. Combine that with a Holley double pumper and you have a heck of a good combo. Keep the cam lift under .520 and the duration under 228 @ .050 for low end.

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ORIGINAL: Yonco

Hey! is this the correct kickdown lever?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-1970-mustang-cougar-auto-transmission-kickdown-rod_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ34208QQhashZitem180034886720QQihZ008QQitemZ180034886720QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

Also, how does that lever work, i saw it on the side of the tranny. is it just a switch that needs pusing back/fourth? how much travel does it need?? I see on holleys online website manual the carb i have WILL work with a ford kickdown attachment on the side which i believe it has.


Also why am i convinced on a performer manifold. The car isnt runnong correctly, it just doesnt feel right at lower rpm's Boggs and i see because of the powerband of the manifold and combination is bad. After i replace the kickdown rod i will see if it does better and then redo the headgaskets and at which time i would like to to the intake manifold then. Mainly, i would like to switch to a dual plane for smoother low end power. -Jon



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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 2:05:11 PM   
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wieland

say it with me... WHY-AND no "L" anywhere in it!
thank you, that is all.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 3:02:42 PM   
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aw too bad. But you mispelt it to, it's WEIAND... get it right. Thank's, That is all.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 7:09:23 PM   
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Hey Yonco, first things first.
Complete tune up, not just plugs and wires, complete.
#1) Concentrate on the Holley, if its been sitting that long there could be all kinds of junk in the carb, put a rebuild kit in it or have it done by a experienced mechanic, dont forget the fuel filter.
#2) Distributor, what kind? Stock points or electronic? Whats the advance set at,initial and total?(you need a tach, timing light) If its points invest in a new set as well as a condenser and cap and wires and again make sure the advance is working, mechanical and vacuum.
Don't go throwing parts at it thinking they will solve the problem, like the others have said you need to know what the cam is, guessing ain't good enough, you buy a new intake and carb you could make it worse. The car bogs at take off and low RPM? That can be caused by a mis-adjusted accelerator pump and/or incorrect ignition timing. It could be a camshaft installed with to much initial advance, not intentionally but because of manufacturing tolerances you could be a few degrees off, many many possibilities.
Save yourself alot of money tuneup, tuneup, tuneup. Give the thing a day and it may run great. Then throw some rear gear at it, that will solve a low end problem.
To make a long story short you don't know whats in it, so start with the assumption that the re builder did it correctly and matched all components from the start.
One last thing, never use RTV (silicone) on any rubber gasket like the oil pan end seals, silicon is a lubricant to rubber and could cause it (the rubber) to be squeezed out while tightening. Instead use Yellow or Black weatherstripping adhesive

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 7:33:15 PM   
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on the rear ends what i have read was the small block cars was a 8.8 the big block cars where the9 inch

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 9:13:17 PM   
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If you have a head leak and are blowing steam check radiator for bubbles. If you have bubbles in the radiator then u have a compression leak, usually head gasket. Could be warped head, cracked head, cracked block. Summit is great, do a lot of business with them. Have a great selection of parts and reasonable prices.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 9:18:37 PM   
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no, All early mustangs had either a 8 inch or a 9 inch. The 8.8 rear is a later model rear end.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 9:19:28 PM   
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The 8.8 did not exist when the 1st generation Mustangs were rolling out. They're an 8 inch.

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on the rear ends what i have read was the small block cars was a 8.8 the big block cars where the9 inch



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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 9:20:27 PM   
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just realized someone already wrote what I wrote, o well. Good luck man

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 9:27:17 PM   
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Admit it, you were going for post count...

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just realized someone already wrote what I wrote, o well. Good luck man



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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 9:34:42 PM   
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damn u caught me

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 9:50:56 PM   
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nice looking car.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 10:10:14 PM   
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yep, Trying to boost the post count to my level....... You got's a ways to go. lol, im j/k.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 10:10:25 PM   
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Thanks! Can someone forward me to a link for 8 inch rear end parts!?? I cant find anything, they are all for 9 inch rear ends?? Would 3.90's be good for an auto?? or 3.73?? suggestions and reasons welcome! Ill work on ignoring the intake manifold till i get the kickdown rod and carb tuned and see how it works out! -Jon

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 10:17:09 PM   
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definitely not 3.9. 8 inch rear ends use different ratios btw

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 10:17:34 PM   
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depending on what you want. ME personally am going with a 3.25.... The automatics rev high with a 2.80 rear, so im definatly not going to high.

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RE: New mustang, 302 Questions! - 10/9/2006 11:25:29 PM   
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Now.. a question on the kickdown. My holley DOES NOT have the ford kickdown lever .... SO, is there a way to rig one up?? or do i have to buy a full carb or can i get just the lever seperatly?? -Jon

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