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RACE from a god dam stop im sick of seeing pussy rolls
+1!!! Cobra would have killed it from a roll!
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thats like a 2800lb car?
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thats like a 2800lb car?
The 289 powered AC's(non-bulgy fenders) weighed aboot 2300lbs, the 427 Shelbys weigh aboot 2550. Really light cars. I would have loved to see the Cobra demolish the Vette from a stop. Doesnt that thing still hold the record for the 0-100-0?
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First of all I have a 427 Cobra replica. My dear ole dad, at nearly 70, has owned two. Over the past 18 years, I've driven a few of them. Both big block and small, and the outcome of that vid is exactly what I would expect.
The vast majority of the replicas out there don't have a big block in them. Nothing on the vid says whether or not it's a replica or an original car. Nor can one assume that it has a big block. And not that a 427 side oiler would've made much difference. These days, you can get a small block to put out the same numbers as the old 427 w/o too much trouble.
A friend of mine owns both an '03 Z06 and a Cobra Replica. I know from personal experience that most, maybe not all, but most good 427 replicas will have a very difficult time beating the Z06 like that. Not just for aerodynamic reasons. After all, the Z06 won't hit 200 mph while the 427 Cobra was the first production car to do so. There are a lot of factors such as chassis rigidity and modern suspension that are more likely the cause.
The original Cobras as well as most replicas out there rely on very old chassis and suspension technology. They loose a lot of power to chassis flex and suspension travel. The motor is simply wasting power by moving the car in directions other than forward. The Cobra was built on old technology even when it was brand new. It accomplished what it did because of the right elements coming together in the right environment. When every body else had the same technology available to them the lightest car with a powerful motor would certainly knock off the competition. Enough so that the 427 become a legend. Enough so that Ford honors the accomplishments of that car by naming a version of the Mustang after it.
Not to knock the 427, I love 'em, like I said, I got one (replica). And there still pretty darn quick right out of the box. It took Cheverolet 35 years to catch up and there's something to be said for that.
The 289 powered AC's(non-bulgy fenders) weighed aboot 2300lbs, the 427 Shelbys weigh aboot 2550. Really light cars. I would have loved to see the Cobra demolish the Vette from a stop. Doesnt that thing still hold the record for the 0-100-0?
You are correct about the weight of the cars. There's a lot of rumor and legend surrounding the 0-100-0 record. Some sources list it as low as 13 seconds but it's hard to find any real evidence of those numbers.
I've atttended a head to head meet of a stock '03 Z06 and 427 replica putting out about 400 rwhp. Both running well. I admit that it was always very close, always less than half a car length in the 1/8 mi, but even with drivers switching cars to negate skill, the Z06 consistently beat the 427.
Not to say that on any given day the results would not have been different, but I wouldn't go as far as to say 'demolish' the 'Vette. Remember the 427 with good hot sticky tires was/is in the 3.8-4.0 sec 0-60 range. That's right in the same range as the C5 Z06 (3.9 sec). The C6 Z06 is closer to 3.6-3.8 range, which is even better off the line than the Cobra ever was.
Mine will only do a 0-60 in about 4.2-4.5 sec. That's with 400hp at the crank.
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Didnt Shelby build the Daytona Coupe specifically because the aerodynamics of the Cobra wouldnt let it exceed 150ish mph? Im pretty positive the Shelby Cobras didnt have top end for sh*t. Anywho, sweet sig. If thats your pop's replica, way to go.
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Mercury Cyclone Spoiler II is Mercury’s version of the legendary King Cobra. As instantly recognizable as the King Cobra, this car also features the legendary design of Larry Shinoda’s sloping front end. This was the first 200-mile per hour car that is factory correct.
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Pshh...You guys are naive to think thats a 65 shelby 427. Thats definately not an original. Even if it were, the guy wouldn't have it on the street...Thats probably a 302 out of a an 80's or early 90's Mustang GT. Mose donor pallets are based on 87-94 GT's.
Like Upsteam, My dad and I built a Factory Five Roadster Replica with a 392 Ford Crate engine. Along with a TKO600 tranny and 94 GT rear end with new gears and axels.
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Pshh...You guys are naive to think thats a 65 shelby 427. Thats definately not an original. Even if it were, the guy wouldn't have it on the street...Thats probably a 302 out of a an 80's or early 90's Mustang GT. Mose donor pallets are based on 87-94 GT's.
Like Upsteam, My dad and I built a Factory Five Roadster Replica with a 392 Ford Crate engine. Along with a TKO600 tranny and 94 GT rear end with new gears and axels.
Plus...we killed a Z06 the other day
Yes, chances are its an FFR clone, but why couldnt it be a real Shelby? Its actually more naive of you to completely rule out the possibility that it is a Cobra. Besides, its gotta have more than 347 cubes to pull on a Z06 like that before aerodynamics came into play.
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There is some truth in what you say. There is no real way to tell from that video, but out of the couple hundred real 65's out there in the world today, the few in the U.S., it isn't likely to be a real cobra. No doubt are these cars fast. We got a 392 downstairs, it scares me. But I wonder why (if it were real) would the owner race it. Especially against a Z06 on the street. And I'm not saying that every single replica uses a 5.0, for instance, our cobra. It probably was running a 347 or 351W. As many replicas there are out there, there are even fewer 427's. And the reason it can keep up with the Vette is that most replicas weigh under 2000lbs. With that much power on top of that little amount of weight, it sure could keep up the the Z06. And yet I may be young, I'm certaintley not naive.
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Pshh...You guys are naive to think thats a 65 shelby 427. Thats definately not an original. Even if it were, the guy wouldn't have it on the street...Thats probably a 302 out of a an 80's or early 90's Mustang GT. Mose donor pallets are based on 87-94 GT's.
Like Upsteam, My dad and I built a Factory Five Roadster Replica with a 392 Ford Crate engine. Along with a TKO600 tranny and 94 GT rear end with new gears and axels.
Plus...we killed a Z06 the other day
Yes, chances are its an FFR clone, but why couldnt it be a real Shelby? Its actually more naive of you to completely rule out the possibility that it is a Cobra. Besides, its gotta have more than 347 cubes to pull on a Z06 like that before aerodynamics came into play.
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There is some truth in what you say. There is no real way to tell from that video, but out of the couple hundred real 65's out there in the world today, the few in the U.S., it isn't likely to be a real cobra. No doubt are these cars fast. We got a 392 downstairs, it scares me. But I wonder why (if it were real) would the owner race it. Especially against a Z06 on the street. And I'm not saying that every single replica uses a 5.0, for instance, our cobra. It probably was running a 347 or 351W. As many replicas there are out there, there are even fewer 427's. And the reason it can keep up with the Vette is that most replicas weigh under 2000lbs. With that much power on top of that little amount of weight, it sure could keep up the the Z06. And yet I may be young, I'm certaintley not naive.
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Pshh...You guys are naive to think thats a 65 shelby 427. Thats definately not an original. Even if it were, the guy wouldn't have it on the street...Thats probably a 302 out of a an 80's or early 90's Mustang GT. Mose donor pallets are based on 87-94 GT's.
Like Upsteam, My dad and I built a Factory Five Roadster Replica with a 392 Ford Crate engine. Along with a TKO600 tranny and 94 GT rear end with new gears and axels.
Plus...we killed a Z06 the other day
Yes, chances are its an FFR clone, but why couldnt it be a real Shelby? Its actually more naive of you to completely rule out the possibility that it is a Cobra. Besides, its gotta have more than 347 cubes to pull on a Z06 like that before aerodynamics came into play.
Little full of yourself there
The point i was making is that although it most likely wasnt the real deal, what proof do we have from watching the video? None. Just like we have no idea what size or make of engine is in that beast. But when I watch this video, i like to think of it as a 427 BBF powered chain saw massacre on wheels. Just me though.
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Vintage Shelby Cobra vs. '01 Z06 Vette - 
Wonder if it was the real thing or one of the FFR clones?
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