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I still dont consider the Cobra a production vehicle, let alone the first to do 200mph, especially if he only built two of the fuggers. Two super charged Cobras are hardly considered production. Isnt Shelby American classified as a tuner anyways? I mean, he didnt INVENT and produce the Cobra, he got chasis and bodies from England and put good 'ole American torque factories in them.
I LIKE THOSE. I SAW ONE ONCE. IT WAS NEAT. IT SOUNDED LIKE IT HAD A BIG CAM. I TRIED TO TELL THE GUY TO DO A BURNOUT. HE JUST SAID I WAS THE BURNOUT. WHATEVER THAT MEANS.
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I still dont consider the Cobra a production vehicle <- QUOTE FROM
DID THEY MEET THE REQUIRED NUMBERS? SAYING IT'S NOT REALLY A PRODUCTION CAR IS LIKE SAYING THE 93 COBRA R ISN'T REALLY A PRODUCTION CAR. THEY CALL IT LIMITED PRODUCTION. STILL A PRODUCTION CAR.
AND WHAT YOU CONSIDER ANYTHING IS IRRELEVANT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CARES WHAT "CLIF BROHN SAID HE CONSIDERED PRODUCTION CAR" NUMBERS MAKE PRODUCTION CARS, NOT CLIF BROHN...
Then what is it called when a manufacturer produces two vehicles? There were 107 '93 Cobra Rs built, but only 2 200mph Shelby Cobras. And the best part about the argument you guys have presented me is that no one even has PROOF that either one of these brick-esque go-karts from hell DONT hit an aerodynamic barrier before the doube century mark. Explain to me how Shelby "produced" the chasis and bodies that were shipped to him from England? Or the FE block 427 side oilers and 428s from Ford? The transmissions that were mated to said big block Fords were Ford top-loaders. So tell me, what exactly DID Carrol Shelby manufacture or produce on these vehicles? It seems to me that he fitted AC Cobras with Ford engines and drivetrain, in the process creating some of the coolest and quickest cars in the history of f*cking ever, but that doesnt exactly qualify as production, now does it? Notice how nice it is when people dont type with caps lock on?
The Cobra was the first "Production" car to do that. That is to say it met the FIA production class requirements. That doesn't mean that every car produced has to be identical. They just have to meet homologation requirements that simply state the vehicles sold to the public must be "mechanically similar" and must meet a minimum number sold. That is the same basic motor, transmission, and chassis. Power adding components like supercharges can be added to small numbers of vehicles in the production run and still the car can be classified as a "production vehicle" <-QUOTE FROM UPSTEAM3985
i believe this guy has already tried to explain this concept to you...apparently you can't wrap your mind around this idea. and do you have any proof that they DO hit an "aerodynamic wall"? you keep asking everyone for proof, WHERE'S YOURS??? i don't think its our job to debate what a production car is...there are already guidelines set in place. i can't change them and you can't change them. you don't have to consider them a production car. you stand there ranting like a moron with your head buried in the sand. whatever makes you happy.
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The Cobra was the first "Production" car to do that. That is to say it met the FIA production class requirements. That doesn't mean that every car produced has to be identical. They just have to meet homologation requirements that simply state the vehicles sold to the public must be "mechanically similar" and must meet a minimum number sold. That is the same basic motor, transmission, and chassis. Power adding components like supercharges can be added to small numbers of vehicles in the production run and still the car can be classified as a "production vehicle" <-QUOTE FROM UPSTEAM3985
i believe this guy has already tried to explain this concept to you...apparently you can't wrap your mind around this idea. and do you have any proof that they DO hit an "aerodynamic wall"? you keep asking everyone for proof, WHERE'S YOURS??? i don't think its our job to debate what a production car is...there are already guidelines set in place. i can't change them and you can't change them. you don't have to consider them a production car. you stand there ranting like a moron with your head buried in the sand. whatever makes you happy.
I dont have any proof that the cobra hits an aerodynamic wall, but there is more truth in me saying they wont break the double century mark and not having proof than someone going, "Uh, well i heard....". And ranting like a moron? Really? Because all i wanted was for someone to show me even a home made webpage that claimed such speeds out of these aluminium skinned rectangles?
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the ranting like a moron riff was about you saying you don't consider it a production car. but, hey, you proved my point...
Which point is that? That a modified A/C Cobra is just like a Saleen Mustang in that it cant be considered a "production vehicle", or that a Shelby American Cobra cant do 200mph, and there isnt a scrap of evidence to prove it otehrwise?
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the ranting like a moron riff was about you saying you don't consider it a production car. but, hey, you proved my point...
Which point is that? That a modified A/C Cobra is just like a Saleen Mustang in that it cant be considered a "production vehicle", or that a Shelby American Cobra cant do 200mph, and there isnt a scrap of evidence to prove it otehrwise?
I've been away for a little while. Wow, this thing got a little heated. If you guys are still interested, find a copy of this book. Shelby's Wildlife: the Cobras and the Mustangs, Wally Wyss published 1977. I gave it to my Pop about 25 years ago. In it it gives top speed/gear for the 427 roadster. It also states the car is capable of 200 mph. Also if you go to the Kirkham Cobra website they say the same thing http://www.cobracountry.com/kirkham/home.html
BTW guys, there just stupid cars (cool but stupid) no need to start name calling.
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even if the cobra would have lost i still would take that over a corvette. i do like the corvette but i LOVE the cobra. i see corvettes every day, but how often do you see a real cobra. nice vid
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Before this thread gets too personal,has anyone seen the "new AC Cobra?" It has a 10 cylinder mill. I saw it @ Irwindale Speedway.
yes, i saw it in the Chicago auto show. i was there when Mr. Shelby was there, i didnt get to see him though, to big of a croud. the car is sweet. i love the way the thing looks but it will never take the place of the old one.
I know this is kinda old,but the one remaining twin paxton cobra just sold this month for something like 5.8 mill. Shelby called it the SuperSnake. Barrett-Jackson has it on there sight.
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