hey, i am new to the forum. although i do not own a mustang. i do respect the mustang. i have a question for you guys. there is a guy driving around in a 05 mustang with cobra on the back bumper. talking trash on own how he will smoke my 95 z28. now i am not asking you guys to take sides here but, i was curious about the 05 cobra mustang. i thought ford said that they werent makining any cobra for 05 and 06 mustang. is this guy just saying he have a 05 cobra. everying body in neighborhood is scare to race him. i not worried about him because i know what my car is capable of doing. did ford really make an 05 cobra mustang.

Never heard of a 2005 Mustang Cobra. Just go ask him to race.......

Cobra on the back bumper.... Sounds like a GT500! Yup, like Cryptic said. Go ask him to race. ;)

There is no cobra for 2005 or 2006, this kid is just another poser wannabe trying to impress people with a car he doesnt really have. Sorry to say though, no matter how much of an asshole he is, if its a GT that he has, youll lose. Im not sure what kind of cars the people in your neighborhood have that theyre scared to race him.. but he definately doesnt have a cobra, so if its a GT its pretty fast but not unbeatable.

im gonna say if the kid put a cobra badge on a car, 8 times outta 10 its on a v6. so if ur car has over 210 hp and can beat a 15.0 in the quarter (which it can ;)) go rip him a new asshole. aside from that, he may have done something unthinkable and riced out a GT.... but i really doubt he has done anything else to the car if hes a ricer.... just a hunch. so if your car can beat a 13.5 (if hes a GREAT driver) then you will be fine. you should ask to see under the hood. if he doesnt let you, assume v6.....

other ways to tell, if it has no badge on the front quarter panels it could be a v6 or (less likely) a debadged GT. also, GTs come with the two big fog lights in the grill. v6 have no fog lights or they have 2 small ones. but the GT fog lights are just as big as the headlights. this is a biggie. if its got big headlights i would lean toward a debadged GT. you can also check to make sure its got dual exhaust, but there are alot of v6s with duals anyway, but a single exhaust means v6 ftw... or ftl?

anyway, if hes got no side badges and no/ small foglights, i would say v6. where are u located btw? maybe u can find someone on this board nearby to make sure to show his pathetic poser ass how a mustang should be ;)

If you are sure its a 2005 then its not a GT500. But like bl1nkage said - if he has a GT then he is still going to eat your lunch. If you are mistaken (or misinformed) and its truly a GT500 - go ahead and race him anyways.... but prepare to watch tail lights fade in the distance.

I would agree with SpecterGT260 also. If he doesnt show you whats under his hood...its truly a 2005....and it actually says COBRA on his bumper.... its probably a V6.

But which ever way it is...... just go ask him to race you. You know, just for sh!ts and giggles. :D

Oh, you could also go and take a few pictures of this "Cobra" and post it on this site....along with a current City and someone will help debunk the situation for ya.

But like I said....... go race him for the hell of it.

theres a couple kids here at the U of I with v6 mustangs and GT parts on em. if i can run into them when they are around their cars i wanna play dumb and be like "man, v8? is that thing fast?.... well, could it beat a convertible, since they are heavier? [8D]"

i dunno, i like picking on the posers. just cant wait for my s197 badges to come in [sm=alcoholic.gif]

There is a guy like that at my work.... has an 04 mustang with GT on the back and a cobra tag on the front fender..... hes just a noob... race him, and hope he's is the idiot we all think he is....

First of all, thanks for being a true sporting gentleman and coming to this forum to ask a very legitimate question. IMO this individual sounds like some sort of bully....we all know bullies pick on the weak and won't stand up to a true challenge. BTW fellow listers z28man didn't list what his car has....for all we know he might have a supercharged LT-1 that'll work a GT500! Honestly though if this individual is claiming he has an '05 Cobra, then he's FOS and obviously doesn't know what he's talking about. I know it's not cool to bash fellow 'Stang owners, but some guys don't leave you a choice. Race 'em and see what happens.......good luck.

This guy probably hangs a bratwurst down his pant leg on prom night too. Does he have 20" emblems on the side of the car? (inside joke).

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[sm=funnypostabove.gif] nice one, Booster!!! ;)

ORIGINAL: Booster

This guy probably hangs a bratwurst down his pant leg on prom night too. Does he have 20" emblems on the side of the car? (inside joke).

[sm=bling.gif] LOL!

There was one 05 Cobra Mustang built by PSP in NY. SVT liked the car so much they even gave it a SVT number 001. Sal has since sold the car. You can see the car at this link:

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/mmfp_0602_custom_cobra_II/

Sorry to sound like sour grapes but a 2005 Gt should in my opinion be faster than a 95 Z-28. But like people said before there isn't a 2005 Cobra.

A 2005 GT is faster than a 95 z28. 05gtdriver was saying that if it was a supercharged LT-1 Camaro then it would beat a stock Mustang GT.

hey thanks for the responds. well my 95 z28 is pretty much stock all i have is intake kit, shift kit, and flowmasters. next year i will probaly convert to LT4 kit or 383 stroker. one of my neighbor has a svt ford contour. my friend is basically over my house almost every other day has a 95 mitstibishi 3000Gt twin turbo. my neighbor across the street has a 96 mustang gt. an of course my neigbor with 05 stang (cobra). well i talked to my neighbor with the 05 stang. about racing us. he said no. were are wasting his time. come with a challege. i do agree with u guys. he is hiding something. he wont let my friend with 96 mustang gt look at his engine. i live loganville Ga. we all have pretty much race each other. except for the svt ford contour. i do have a question to ask. a stock 05 mustang gt is rated at 300hp vs stock 95 z28 is rated at 275hp. that only 25 more than me how far will this guy leave me or any stock 05 mustang gt will leave me. oh yeah how much hp do a svt ford contour is that like the ford taurus SHO.

the new GTs were a little underrated. 315ish is probably more accurate. aside from that, GOD himself designed the rear suspension. I know of these cars pull 1.6s on street tires with a little bit of work (trailing arm and panhard maybe? ask musicCityGT) so if he isnt an idiot (but fear not, sounds like he is....) he will pull at least a car on u out of the hole. However, my money is on v6.

heres another way to think about it. for has only made a few 4.6L motors. theres the sn95 225 hp. the PI 260 hp, the 4v cobra 320 hp, the terminator forged internal 390 SC, and the 3v 300 hp (rated). I would call his punk ass out. if u dont hear a SC, its either a pushrod 4.0 or a 3v 4.6.... well, its one of those anyways.... because he didnt put a terminator motor in there for sure.

if it is a GT and he did something unthinkable and riced it out, ur still toast, but the VR4 should be able to hang with him if not take him as long as the guy can launch it (dont be afraid to launch high and slip the clutch (this is for the mitsu guy)).

did u read my earlier post on identifying the cars? check the headlights out and see if u can figure anything out there.

if you're positive it's an '05 then that's one thing. But if it's an '04 SVT Cobra then that's another thing entirely.

ORIGINAL: TNT1968

if you're positive it's an '05 then that's one thing. But if it's an '04 SVT Cobra then that's another thing entirely.



well hell, give the guy some credit.

I'm just sayin'!:)

If you can take a few pics of his "05 Cobra", They stopped the Terminator in 04 and made teh Shelby GT500 wich is basically the new cobra. Look at his wheels, the GT500's have very different wheels compared to a GT or a V-6.

If he has 1 exhaust pipe it is a V-6, if he has pony badges on the side of his car then it is a V-6 unless he changed 'em. Just race him and find out. Bring a Camera! [8D]

ORIGINAL: Booster

This guy probably hangs a bratwurst down his pant leg on prom night too. Does he have 20" emblems on the side of the car? (inside joke).



Hahaha! :eek:

First of all cobra isnt written anywhere on th gt500 (just shelby)


I think its an 04 cobra..tell me if this is what you saw


http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2004/2004-Ford-SVT-Mustang-Cobra-Yellow-RA-1600x1200.jpg

ORIGINAL: nonstopred

First of all cobra isnt written anywhere on th gt500 (just shelby)


I think its an 04 cobra..tell me if this is what you saw


http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2004/2004-Ford-SVT-Mustang-Cobra-Yellow-RA-1600x1200.jpg


It has the Cobra Emblems all over it. ask a FORD salesman, they refer to it as the Shelby Cobra.



SICK BURRRRN!!!! [&:]

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260

im gonna say if the kid put a cobra badge on a car, 8 times outta 10 its on a v6. so if ur car has over 210 hp and can beat a 15.0 in the quarter (which it can ;)) go rip him a new asshole. aside from that, he may have done something unthinkable and riced out a GT.... but i really doubt he has done anything else to the car if hes a ricer.... just a hunch. so if your car can beat a 13.5 (if hes a GREAT driver) then you will be fine. you should ask to see under the hood. if he doesnt let you, assume v6.....

other ways to tell, if it has no badge on the front quarter panels it could be a v6 or (less likely) a debadged GT. also, GTs come with the two big fog lights in the grill. v6 have no fog lights or they have 2 small ones. but the GT fog lights are just as big as the headlights. this is a biggie. if its got big headlights i would lean toward a debadged GT. you can also check to make sure its got dual exhaust, but there are alot of v6s with duals anyway, but a single exhaust means v6 ftw... or ftl?

anyway, if hes got no side badges and no/ small foglights, i would say v6. where are u located btw? maybe u can find someone on this board nearby to make sure to show his pathetic poser ass how a mustang should be ;)


Do you have something against V6's? 15 in the quarter mile is not bad for a STOCK v6. If I remember correctly, 1999-2004 mustang GT's run mid to low 14's. Right?

ORIGINAL: KTownGT

ORIGINAL: nonstopred

First of all cobra isnt written anywhere on th gt500 (just shelby)


I think its an 04 cobra..tell me if this is what you saw


http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-2004/2004-Ford-SVT-Mustang-Cobra-Yellow-RA-1600x1200.jpg


It has the Cobra Emblems all over it. ask a FORD salesman, they refer to it as the Shelby Cobra.



SICK BURRRRN!!!! [&:]


Actually the physical lettering "cobra is not anywhere on the car". There are snakes/cobra emblems on the fenders and the seats, but no lettering that says "cobra". Yes it is called the Shelby Cobra, but Cobra is not written on the car.

Now thats a SICK BURRRRRRRRRN!:D

Ktown GT: It does not say Cobra on the car anywhere. Ford owns the right to the name and the image of the Cobra - not Shelby. As a matter of fact Ford owns the rights to the name GT350. No matter what a dealer says - because half the time you can get info on a new model at this forum before salesmen do - it is correctly called a "Shelby GT500". It has SVT logos on the wheel centers, door sills, and oil cap and the car is not listed as a SVT Cobra anywhere either.

ORIGINAL: z28man

i do have a question to ask. a stock 05 mustang gt is rated at 300hp vs stock 95 z28 is rated at 275hp. that only 25 more than me how far will this guy leave me or any stock 05 mustang gt will leave me. oh yeah how much hp do a svt ford contour is that like the ford taurus SHO.

To answer the first question....a stock LT-1 is a low 14(flat) to high 13 car in 6 speed form, add about .3 to .6 for an automatic(which by your description, is what you have). A 5 speed stick GT is a low to mid 13 second car in very good hands(around 13.7-13.8 the norm for an average driver-in good conditions, of course). So you're looking at(all being equal) about a half to a full second deficit, an automatic GT is not too far behind a stick car(maybe .2-.4 in the 1/4, if that).
2nd question, an SVT Contour is rated at either 195hp(early cars) or 200hp(later ones) and have a 2.5L Duratec V-6, much, much different to an SHO Taurus, which has a Yamaha engineered 3.0L(early cars, 3.2 later cars with auto tranny) V-6 with 220hp, although the final SHO model Taurus had a 3.4L 60 degree V-8(F-1 style design there) with 32V & DOHC. This engine is based on the Duratec V-6 with two additional cylinders(hence the 60 degree layout) and only came in automatic form with 235hp. This last engine became problematic because of the camshafts having "pressed" on instead of "pinned" on gear sprockets for the chains. Would work their way loose and ruin the engine :( (some people have welded the sprocket to the cams, seems to cure the problem). Hope this answers your questions.

no it look just like tnt1968 06 mustang body style. hey you guys are going to find this very ironic. well for the first time i rode in my in a mustang. it was 96 mustang gt. 5 speed. my neigbor ask me if wanted to ride downtown with him so i said what the heck. it was thrilling experience. i not sure how fast stock 96 gts are but my neighbor has put well over 2 grand in his mustang. so it is fast. anyway we are riding in buckhead in Atlanta GA. at what i see is a 05 or 06 saleen mustang. it had saleen across the windshield and saleen across the back bumper. this mustang was look bad in a good way. so my decided to test this car. i told him not to be a fool. even i wont do any that crazy in my z28. we managed to get side by side at the light with this guy. so my neighbor ask the guy run with to the next. the guy agreed. man i have nevered been so scared in my life. if was pretty much of a slaughter. this saleen eat us up so quick it was this just happen. by the time we got the next light. the saleen had us by 6 car length an may it through the red light. where we had to stop. did john saleen make the saleen stang. because i thought ford got rid of him. how much does the sallen cost and how much hp this beast have. i know i ever came across a saleen in the street i will give saleen it props.

ORIGINAL: TNT1968

Ktown GT: It does not say Cobra on the car anywhere. Ford owns the right to the name and the image of the Cobra - not Shelby. As a matter of fact Ford owns the rights to the name GT350. No matter what a dealer says - because half the time you can get info on a new model at this forum before salesmen do - it is correctly called a "Shelby GT500". It has SVT logos on the wheel centers, door sills, and oil cap and the car is not listed as a SVT Cobra anywhere either.



Lay off me I'm Starvin! [:@]

And AFIN Saleen mustangs don't have mustang written on them. SO does that mean it is a saleen and not a mutang?

ORIGINAL: z28man

no it look just like tnt1968 06 mustang body style. hey you guys are going to find this very ironic. well for the first time i rode in my in a mustang. it was 96 mustang gt. 5 speed. my neigbor ask me if wanted to ride downtown with him so i said what the heck. it was thrilling experience. i not sure how fast stock 96 gts are but my neighbor has put well over 2 grand in his mustang. so it is fast. anyway we are riding in buckhead in Atlanta GA. at what i see is a 05 or 06 saleen mustang. it had saleen across the windshield and saleen across the back bumper. this mustang was look bad in a good way. so my decided to test this car. i told him not to be a fool. even i wont do any that crazy in my z28. we managed to get side by side at the light with this guy. so my neighbor ask the guy run with to the next. the guy agreed. man i have nevered been so scared in my life. if was pretty much of a slaughter. this saleen eat us up so quick it was this just happen. by the time we got the next light. the saleen had us by 6 car length an may it through the red light. where we had to stop. did john saleen make the saleen stang. because i thought ford got rid of him. how much does the sallen cost and how much hp this beast have. i know i ever came across a saleen in the street i will give saleen it props.



well, theres 2 of em. one has a new tune and some minor bolt ons it hink, and pushes like 325 or something? not sure. then theres the saleen Extreme SC. u would have heard a supercharger if there was one tho. but those things are crazy. I really dont know the numbers, so dont quote me, but 425-450 hp sounds right. they are pretty pricey too.

heres the deal tho. a 96 GT has the first 4.6 in it, and that motor was absolute garbage. 2k could get u a PI swap if ur reaaaaaaaalllllly lucky, and that basically turns it into a 99GT with an intake (u get the heads, cam, and intake for the 99 GT, but compression will be a smidgeon higher AKA "the intake".) its kinda like an lt4 conversion for ur car. so thats one route he may have done, dunno cuz u didnt say his mods. that would give him about 270 crank hp from 225. he could have spent 2k in bolt ons, which, through those downright turrible heads on the sn95 4.6 he would be makin about 250 crank hp. he could have also maybe gotten a used SC and set that up for 2k, but doubtful (and u would have mentioned if he was supercharged) but i heard that on the stock heads on an sn95 (sn95 means 94-98 mustang body style, and from 96-98 those cars had the old 4.6, 99-04 they got the new 4.6 and the "new edge" body style) the cars only pushed like 320 rwhp with a SC. while the cars arent a terrible platform to start from, they take alot of work to get em ready.

besides, the ass-dyno always reads high from the passenger seat.

im assuming ur friend spent 2k in bolt ons (which isnt a bad way to go, just dont expect to be running down vettes any time soon ;)) so that could grab full bolt ons for him (headers, exhaust, intake, plenum, pullies, TB.... gears maybe....) a stock s197 (aka 05+) mustang GT, especially one with a saleen tune, would rip him apart. ur lt1 should be able to run down an sn95 GT with 2k in mods no problem.

ORIGINAL: Black06stang

ORIGINAL: SpecterGT260

im gonna say if the kid put a cobra badge on a car, 8 times outta 10 its on a v6. so if ur car has over 210 hp and can beat a 15.0 in the quarter (which it can ;)) go rip him a new asshole. aside from that, he may have done something unthinkable and riced out a GT.... but i really doubt he has done anything else to the car if hes a ricer.... just a hunch. so if your car can beat a 13.5 (if hes a GREAT driver) then you will be fine. you should ask to see under the hood. if he doesnt let you, assume v6.....

other ways to tell, if it has no badge on the front quarter panels it could be a v6 or (less likely) a debadged GT. also, GTs come with the two big fog lights in the grill. v6 have no fog lights or they have 2 small ones. but the GT fog lights are just as big as the headlights. this is a biggie. if its got big headlights i would lean toward a debadged GT. you can also check to make sure its got dual exhaust, but there are alot of v6s with duals anyway, but a single exhaust means v6 ftw... or ftl?

anyway, if hes got no side badges and no/ small foglights, i would say v6. where are u located btw? maybe u can find someone on this board nearby to make sure to show his pathetic poser ass how a mustang should be ;)


Do you have something against V6's? 15 in the quarter mile is not bad for a STOCK v6. If I remember correctly, 1999-2004 mustang GT's run mid to low 14's. Right?




easy chief. u dont wanna start this.

i didnt bash the v6, nor did i say it didnt perform well for what it is. a v6 s197 wont take out an lt1 without FI, and thats that, and we are talking s197 *something* vs an lt1 here. im staying on subject. aside from that, the 4.0 is hitting mid 15s normally, with full bolt on cars sitting very comfortably in the 14s, but still pecking at the upper bounds of a well driven 4.6 2v (i believe Fazm has "if it can be bolted on, ive got it, and more" and his best run was 14.3? good run for a v6, and weve all given him his due props). still, im not bashing the cars, but this is how it is. they look good, the ride clean, and i love the interiors of these cars (but i guess that goes for the 3v too...) and i have never suggested a 4.0 or 3.8 owner trade up because there is no performance potential to the cars. i have suggested getting blown instead. because even the 3.8 power packs only put the cars next to a stock 2v, and the 3v is still way out of reach. sorry for ranting, but I dont have a whole lot of patience for people who throw out the "v6 card" every time the discussion might turn that way (similar to the "race card"). its nothing but a sign of oversensitivity. Get over it, i got the v8 to suit what I wanted, and u got ur 4.0 to suit urs. I have no problem with ur choice, cuz it ur own damn choice. I figure, if u had wanted ol' specter's opinion on ur purchase u would have PMed me in mid 05 when u were lookin at the black stangs ;)

Actually that's a good question KTownGT. I wonder if it just says Ford Saleen on the title? Seriously.