You Might Be A Ricer If…


You have more exhaust decibels than your engine has horsepower.

You have aftermarket FRONT wheels for racing but stock rear wheels.

Your engine makes twice as much horsepower as torque.

17" rims up front, 13" out back on your FWD.

You ever painted your wheels to match the same color of your car.

You put your automatic car in neutral at every stoplight in order to roll it back and try to fool other people into thinking you have a manual transmission

DuPont gave up trying to figure out the shade you were asking for.

Your mod list includes stereo equipment, shifter handle, MOMO steering wheel, PIA driving lights, exhaust
tip, but no REAL engine parts.

A chameleon lizard undergoes fewer shade changes than your custom paint scheme.

Your rims and tires are so large, that you have to install the tire / wheel from underneath the car because it simply won't fit in the wheel well going in from the side.

The dealer laughs when you bring your car back in for service under warranty, and you've only had it 6 months...

Your tires / rims stick out from the lip of your car by more than 1."

Your paint job is from the WRONG end of the color spectrum.

You installed spacers on your STOCK wheels and tires to get them to stick out past the fender.

You see cars like yours in a Shriner's Parade for Children and clowns are driving them.

You bring an empty Maxwell House coffee can with you to compare size when you shop for an aftermarket exhaust system.

Your Eclipse GS-T hardtop has a "SPYDER" emblem on the rear...

Your sum knowledge of suspension is: "the more negative camber, the better the handling."

You push your car through the staging lanes. That way, maybe you can break into the 16s by keeping the motor cool between runs.

You add a super tall rear wing, and a hundred pounds of aftermarket ground effects, neon and stereo yet

you gut the interior and yank out the rear seat for weight savings.

Your rear wing AND your rear window have a third mount brake light...

The back lighting in the gauges in your A-pillar gauge pod work long before the actual gauges are hooked up.

You cut 4 coil springs and scrape the chassis on the ground. Sparks are cool when you corner at normal traffic speeds!

You have to find a way to drive AROUND speed bumps in a parking lot.

You install clear corner and brake lights.

You install colored bulbs in your aftermarket clear lenses.

You ever put neon on the bottom of your car, and then busted it on the first speed bump you went over.

You painted the UNDERBODY of your car to match

If your rear spoiler is taller then you are.

if you can fit fist **** your exhaust tip

You have more stereo WATTS than engine TORQUE!

If your tailpipe extension is the most expensive mod you’ve done to your engine yet.

Your tailpipe extension fell off during a quarter mile race and you went three tenths of a second faster due to weight savings.

EVERY car in your class has a turbo pushing double digits worth of boost.

You spent $5,000 on the engine and you can not out run a stock Camaro, Firebird, or Mustang

You want the 'wastegate' sound, but don't want to install a turbocharger system.

You think Nitrous Oxide on your Hyundai Sonata puts you in the same performance league as the Chevy Corvette.

The automatic version of your car runs 2 seconds slower in the 1/4mile.
If the 1970 Plymouth Daytona Superbird has a smaller spoiler than your car does.
You think the Del Sol is a sports car...
A torque converter does NOTHING for your car.
You think a deep farty noise = the sound of high performance
If you think that horsepower is far more important than torque
If you have ever claimed that switching to a cone filter has given you more than 5 HP.
If you have ever considered installing more than one set of fog / driving lights.
If you claim that the aftermarket cold air intake system you just installed doubled your horsepower or took 2 or more seconds off of your E/T.
Your baseball cap is always on backwards when you drive (the first sign of mental retardation, wearing your clothes backwards... BE).

You spent all night on the Internet trying to find a company that makes a turbocharger system for your Hyundai...

If you removed your side view mirrors and put them at the TOP of the door / window frame.
If you think the Fugees are 'speed' music.
MOMO is 'absolutely required' to go fast.
Your four cylinder has a dual exhaust system installed.
Your four cylinder has four exhaust pipes ("Hey, one for each cylinder!")
The color of your interior upholstery hurts the cones and rods in other people's eyes.
If you cannot drive your car in snow as the ground effects create a plow effect.
If you have installed driving lights to compensate for headlight blackouts / tape.
If you think that 180 horsepower and 185 lb/ft of torque are impressive for a ‘mildly’ modified engine.
If you have stickers on your car for parts that you could not point out if asked where those parts are installed.
You think pushrods are a bad thing…
Your car has more decals than you do the quarter in seconds.
Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R.
You took your rear seat out and gutted your interior for weight savings but you installed 400 pounds of electronics, neon, DVD, Sony, etc.
If you gutted the interior to save weight on a car that you will never take to the track…
You lean your seat so far back when you are driving, that every time you hit a bump, its your back and not your butt that hurts.
You have hydraulics and sixteen switches on a car you claim runs low 10s on the street and corners better than a Porsche.
If you can estimate that your car makes more than 250 HP without ever running it at the track or getting a dyno reading.
You claim that you can get a titanium block for your engine.

If you have ever thought Hyundai and "performance" went hand in hand

If you've ever gone to a parts shop or speed warehouse and asked for a 1" to 6" exhaust adapter...
If you've ever contemplated adding "TYPE-R" stickers to your Sonata…
If you've removed more than 1/2 of the coils from your springs by cutting them yourself ...
If you have more neon lights on your car than a strip club...
You put Kanji on your Ford ZX2, Ford Probe, or Mercury Cougar ...

You own a "TYPE-R" Hyundai or Mazda.

You couldn't afford headlight masking, so you just painted them with flat black Krylon and it's peeling. Badly.
You claim that polishing your intake gave you 5hp.

You own a V-TEC Hyundai or Mazda (especially a V-TEC rotary engined Mazda RX-7)

You have neon INSIDE your car or in your ENGINE compartment
You ever claimed that high gas mileage made your car superior in performance to V8s.
If it takes you 8000rpm to reach 30mph from a dead stop at WOT.
You think yellow plastic interior trim makes your car cool
You spend $500 for a giant hand welded tube for a muffler with the weld marks extremely visible
If you paint your drum brakes to simulate Hi-po calipers
If you install fake hi-po caliper / disc simulators
You have a front wing.
If you lower your car and add ground effects but retain the stock 14inch wheels with disc style wheel covers
If you equate the sound of performance with the sound of a Weed Eater™
If you think bolting a fake muffler to one side to simulate dual exhaust is cool
If you think colored head lights work better
Clear tail lights and turn signals. They’re colored for a REASON!
If you take mom's 4 door Honda accord and do any kind of mod to it

You claim you lost the race because you had a passenger in the car.
You

Question:

How do you no if you were happy when you celebrated your fourth senior year of high school with your English teacher? ;)

Just kidding. Some of that stuff was pretty funny though. :)


- C

that is damn funny, but oh so true

Cliff notes?

You forgot the "you have a red switch installed....ad no juice"

Long read, but funny.

You forgot one of the most important ones.

You drive around with your 28 piece $5000.00 body kit installed that is still in baby blue gelcoat that you can't afford to paint but still think you're cool.

oooh Yah thats a good one lol

funny although most of us hardcore stang guys do some of this stuff like NO REAR SEAT and 10holes with slicks and weld 3.5' skinnys on the front would it still be rice ?

heres one Zipping in and out of traffic at 100mph to make seem as if ur car has soo much power

ORIGINAL: RedfireGTCoupe

You forgot one of the most important ones.

You drive around with your 28 piece $5000.00 body kit installed that is still in baby blue gelcoat that you can't afford to paint but still think you're cool.



HAHAA...I love that...there are two kids that go to my college that have dumb ricers like that .....The one kid told me he wants to custom paint the whole car but the shop couldn't find him a color cool enough, so he has to wait until they can figure something out...... Now that duma$$ excuse definately makes him top ricer tool !:D

a good laugh.... 4-cylenders are for lawn mowers. hail american muscle.

You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's. Stock to Stock drag racing, everyone signed up on this site knows that a stock V8 Camaro Z28 or SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette, excluding the Z06, couldn't beat a Subaru Impreza 22B STi in a drag race, and its ONLY a 4 CYLINDER. Yea, they may sound different, and dont have that ugly, gas guzzling sound as those V8's, but they're still quick.

Do you not have anything else to do? Wow, trolls live a happy entertaining life. :eek:

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's.


That's the funniest thing said in this topic so far

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's. Stock to Stock drag racing, everyone signed up on this site knows that a stock V8 Camaro Z28 or SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette, excluding the Z06, couldn't beat a Subaru Impreza 22B STi in a drag race, and its ONLY a 4 CYLINDER. Yea, they may sound different, and dont have that ugly, gas guzzling sound as those V8's, but they're still quick.


LOL isn't the 22b the one thats not even available in america? Or are you from Asia??
LOL why don't you type in Evolution performance in google and see how their Gt500 with minor bolt ons is running 10's in the 1/4 mile and pushing 600 RWHP and 600RWT. Last time i checked it took a little more than that to make an STI anywhere close to 600 horsepower, not to mention like 30PSI of boost.

Gas guzzler?!? Look it up - the new Mustang GT has the same fuel economy as an Evo or STi. The only difference is that the Stang uses regular fuel while the turbo 4 cylinders need premium.

F*** off ricer!

dont you have anything else to do than rip on faster cars that dont break down haha

[quote]ORIGINAL: EvoVII

dont you have anything else to do than rip on faster cars that dont break down haha
[/quote

hahaha

ORIGINAL: StoneWolf

Gas guzzler?!? Look it up - the new Mustang GT has the same fuel economy as an Evo or STi. The only difference is that the Stang uses regular fuel while the turbo 4 cylinders need premium.


The STI's can push 30MPG if you go really easy on them.

You know, I just thought of something. When people in general see my mustang, they always say, "that's a good lookin' car", or "man that car looks great and sounds awesome". Then I think of what people would say, in general, when they see an Sti, or any of the other many imports that don't have a name. You ask them what they think of that car, pointing at the Sti, and they say, "it looks ok I guess, what is it"? I have never had that problem. The amazing thing is, nowhere on the outside of my car does it say "Mustang", but everyone already knows what it is. Sti could be the fastest car in the world, it could have a 1/4 mile time of 4.5 seconds, but if no one recognizes it, why would you want to drive it? So you go on a Mustang site and pester all the people who enjoy their vehicles? The Sti does have some good qualities, however, it starts at $32,999, or so says www.subaru.com. What does that mean? I bought my 300 hp Mustang Gt for right around $25,000. With that almost extra $8,000 pumped into my car, it would totally destroy the Sti for the same price. Whatever you add to the Sti, add to the Mustang, it will more than likely fly right by, and for the same price. These are not arguing words or bashing of the Sti in any way, just cold hard facts. That's why I bought the Mustang, because for the same money, there is no other car you can get the same performance, sound, looks, or just the feeling of this machine.

I feel like going and driving now. [8D]

- C

ps. Maybe my car might not get as good as gas mileage, depending on my foot that day of course, but I gurantee it gets many more looks and sounds like an angel ripping by with some American torque, things an Sti will never be able to do. At 40 mph, I look better than you do at 140. I'm done, nothing more really to say. Yes, you stand corrected, no more response from me, just happiness and love for my red machine. :)

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

dont you have anything else to do than rip on faster cars that dont break down haha



Lol, if you get a great launch on a mustang, it isn't bad for it. Get a great launch on a STI or EVO and you will **** the car up faster than you can say imports suck. [&:]

I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..


P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.

just go jack off to your little fags and fairies movie and get out of here before you get your butt handed to you...

and people actually respect you and your opinion on here..yea your really cool..hey everyone, lets give the "COOL GUY" a hand

ORIGINAL: EvoVII
P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.

Best car to buy for the money?? YEAH RIGHT!! LOL
I hate how Skylines look and sound.

If i ever won a skyline i would sell it instantly and buy another mustang. How much do those cost?

Anyone could also pick up a 2003 SVT Cobra for 23-25k. 390hp 390torque, 4.6L V8 supercharged. Swap the pulley for $100 and go from 380rwhp to 450+rwhp...I think I will take the amazing looks and power of the cobra ANY DAY!

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's. Stock to Stock drag racing, everyone signed up on this site knows that a stock V8 Camaro Z28 or SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette, excluding the Z06, couldn't beat a Subaru Impreza 22B STi in a drag race, and its ONLY a 4 CYLINDER. Yea, they may sound different, and dont have that ugly, gas guzzling sound as those V8's, but they're still quick.

You know, I'm not gonna rip on you like some ppl have.....because you have ignorance working against you. Everyone here, with half a brain, knows one can mod a Civic, Integra, etc. to be a fast car. But why, in the name of all that is holy, can you believe that a smaller displacement 4 cyc engine has more mod potential than an 8 cyc engine? You're not serious are you? Have you been doing Evo and Supra searches on Streetfire again? Ever notice that the really crazy fast imports you see on the web or on TV almost ALWAYS have sponsors? You know why? Because bringing those cars up to respectable race levels is not cheap. Now go and look up how many ppl have built up Mustangs and Camaros into 9 and 10 second cars with less than 9K.......total for car and mods.

Can an STI beat mustangs and f-bodies off the line in a drag race? Perhaps, if the driver's skills are up to par and the opponents aren't modded. But unless that 22B has some work done to it........it'll be all over for the Subby before the 1/4 mile marker. Sure, it hauls for a 4 cyc car.........but thats due to its turbo and AWD. Then consider that when something breaks on those cars (and believe me, when you start to impressively mod them......they WILL break something) it isn't cheap to fix. I've got some first hand experience with this....trust me. And as someone already said, STI's start at 33K.......some 6 to 8 grand more expensive than a new Mustang GT. So their point was that if you took 34K and bought a new STI, and then your friend took 34K and bought a new GT...........by the time he spent the leftover dough on mods to equal the value of the STI, he'd be waaaaaaay faster. And it'd be much cheaper to fix whatever breaks on the GT than on the Subby.

These are truly the rantings of some Gran Tourismo playing Japano-culture obsessive that has never been behind the wheel of a high torque V8 RWD car. Trust me, you'd change your tune real quick.....I've seen it happen before. I respect all fast cars........Evo's and STI's included. But your opinion, rather than being derived from personal preference, seems to be based off of "import-punk" folklore: A need by import obsessed youth to believe that all cars Japanese made are somehow superior performance-wise to all others.

P.S. I actually find it kinda funny that you choose to register just to respond to a topic making fun of the stereotypical "ricer".......which actually need not refer to all 4 or 6 cycl Japanese made cars. Makes me wonder if you have something to be defensive about.......considering that most "ricers" are defined more by their punk attitudes than their choice of rides.

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147
You know, I'm not gonna rip on you like some ppl have.....because you have ignorance working against you. Everyone here, with half a brain, knows one can mod a Civic, Integra, etc. to be a fast car. But why, in the name of all that is holy, can you believe that a smaller displacement 4 cyc engine has more mod potential than an 8 cyc engine? You're not serious are you? Have you been doing Evo and Supra searches on Streetfire again? Ever notice that the really crazy fast imports you see on the web or on TV almost ALWAYS have sponsors? You know why? Because bringing those cars up to respectable race levels is not cheap. Now go and look up how many ppl have built up Mustangs and Camaros into 9 and 10 second cars with less than 9K.......total for car and mods.

Can an STI beat mustangs and f-bodies off the line in a drag race? Perhaps, if the driver's skills are up to par and the opponents aren't modded. But unless that 22B has some work done to it........it'll be all over for the Subby before the 1/4 mile marker. Sure, it hauls for a 4 cyc car.........but thats due to its turbo and AWD. Then consider that when something breaks on those cars (and believe me, when you start to impressively mod them......they WILL break something) it isn't cheap to fix. I've got some first hand experience with this....trust me. And as someone already said, STI's start at 33K.......some 6 to 8 grand more expensive than a new Mustang GT. So their point was that if you took 34K and bought a new STI, and then your friend took 34K and bought a new GT...........by the time he spent the leftover dough on mods to equal the value of the STI, he'd be waaaaaaay faster. And it'd be much cheaper to fix whatever breaks on the GT than on the Subby.

These are truly the rantings of some Gran Tourismo playing Japano-culture obsessive that has never been behind the wheel of a high torque V8 RWD car. Trust me, you'd change your tune real quick.....I've seen it happen before. I respect all fast cars........Evo's and STI's included. But your opinion, rather than being derived from personal preference, seems to be based off of "import-punk" folklore: A need by import obsessed youth to believe that all cars Japanese made are somehow superior performance-wise to all others.

P.S. I actually find it kinda funny that you choose to register just to respond to a topic making fun of the stereotypical "ricer".......which actually need not refer to all 4 or 6 cycl Japanese made cars. Makes me wonder if you have something to be defensive about.......considering that most "ricers" are defined more by their punk attitudes than their choice of rides.



DENIED! :D

It's nice to see my jokes get under the skin of some ricers.

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..


P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.





Dump 8 grand into a 03-04 cobra, get a lot more than 500 hp...
Dump 8 grand into a S197 GT(2005+) and get a hell of a lot more hp then a STi, or Evo.

When you burn out your clutch from dumping it in racing, remember, you bought an import.

Heres an example of a ricer.........
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/xxSexPantherxx/ricer.jpg

ORIGINAL: blownstanger

Heres an example of a ricer.........
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/xxSexPantherxx/ricer.jpg

Jeez, its bad enough we have to put up with ricers from this time.........now we have to deal with visiting ricers from the future too?[&:]

ORIGINAL: blownstanger

Heres an example of a ricer.........
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b171/xxSexPantherxx/ricer.jpg


that is 1 big ass blower.

10 bucks via paypal says its fake! [&:]

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..


P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.





OK couple things, Your missing the point then you would have a car up in the $40,000 dollar range, he's talking about price for price, And 2nd, Ive raced a Impreza WRX STI at the drag strip, and my 99 Camaro was stock, and kicked hi ass and his was brand new at the time, Wait I had a KN air filter, 2nd I am now stationed in Europe, and have yet to find a car that 1 will race me, and 2 will beat me. And best bang for your buck if you want 1/4 mile is a Camaro Z28, or a Transam followed by a mustang and eagle talon YOU will always find that these car stock and for under 10k run low to mid 13's to high 13's to low 14-s stock so me a Asifor the most part theyan manufactured car that can claim that for the price and still be less than 10 years old. Oh and PS i like skylines too, but they are no match for my car. Im sure there are some over here that have a s%^t load more horse than my car that will beat me but I havent found them yet. But There is a guy with a modded EVO here on post and Ill race him for you and let you know the results. Z28 vs EVO in Italy fun fun. and over here IM THE IMPORT lol

oh such hatred in this thread. you guys enjoy hating imports. but it will not change the fact that all in all, imports as a whole have far outlasted any american car ever made... that your stock has reached an all time low in the market (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=F).... now look at Toyota(http://finance.google.com/finance?q=tm&hl=en)....that your company is on the verge of bankrupcy and is talking merger with GM to keep their heads above water... that you owe every ounce of lust for displacement to Rudolph Deisel (german) who designed the internal combustion engine. that VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles.... oh and thats BEOFRE ford bought them and ran their reliability into the ground.... that half of your engine management systems are made by nippon denso (toyota).... that your company makes the focus and as far as rice goes they're right up there with the the civic.

ORIGINAL: trinitykt133

oh such hatred in this thread. you guys enjoy hating imports. but it will not change the fact that all in all, imports as a whole have far outlasted any american car ever made... that your stock has reached an all time low in the market (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=F).... now look at Toyota(http://finance.google.com/finance?q=tm&hl=en)....that your company is on the verge of bankrupcy and is talking merger with GM to keep their heads above water... that you owe every ounce of lust for displacement to Rudolph Deisel (german) who designed the internal combustion engine. that VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles.... oh and thats BEOFRE ford bought them and ran their reliability into the ground.... that half of your engine management systems are made by nippon denso (toyota).... that your company makes the focus and as far as rice goes they're right up there with the the civic.

Pretty typical. I think what the main argument here is performance....and what import car fans think they have over American pony/muscle/performance. And for your information, I happen to know a few ppl with 30+ year old Fords, Chevies, Dodges that are still running....and running in a performance capacity at that. Any car can, and will, last almost indefinitely if one takes the time to maintain it properly. But let's face it, 85% of the ppl on the roads in this country today don't want to fool around with maintaining their car.....they just want a packmule that will do what they ask, when they ask, and ask for nothing in return. Besides, how many ppl do you know hold onto a car for 500K+ miles? Most don't. Matter of fact, the ppl I know who buy Japanese autos exclusively tend to buy at a more frequent rate than the ppl I know who buy domestic brand autos. My neighbor, Mr. Toyota himself, hasn't owned a single car for more than 4 years as long as I've known him. The car(usually a Camry) hits 60K miles or 4 years old and its off to the dealership for a new one. And he has the nerve to bag on my 98 Mustang for being inferior. Funny, cuz my 98 still runs like the day I bought it. I guess he feels better about himself by comparing his 06 car with one nearly 10 years older than it. Such arguments are useless and purely subjective.

While I agree that alot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance. And while there isn't anything wrong with even this.....when such a young person steps up talking smack about how his Civic Si( with about 4K in sound equipment, paint job, and body kit) can beat up on a supercharged mustang/cobra or a cammed Z28......then you end up with guys like in here who love to rip on such import lovers.

Point is, don't harp on your car being something it isn't. You don't see me ripping on Civic guys about how my supercharged GT will make better mpg than them do you? Well its no different than when they come in here telling us that an I4 or V6 is a superior performance platform compared to a V8. Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is. I don't have a problem with ppl who are into imports. As I said, I can appreciate performance oriented Asian badges like the STI, EVO, and Skyline. And I give respect not only to those cars but any import that is built to perform, and performs well. But the fact is, that there are alot of ignorant punks out there who are doing a great disservice to their import-based hobby by making completely false and baseless claims. And for those guys, I feel no simpathy when someone in an American badged V8 rips on them.

And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow. You want to talk about such things, fine. Go to Autoblog . com or something. But here, we are performance enthusiasts. Most of us seldom leave much of the factory equipment under our hoods anyway.;)

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147


ORIGINAL: trinitykt133

oh such hatred in this thread. you guys enjoy hating imports. but it will not change the fact that all in all, imports as a whole have far outlasted any american car ever made... that your stock has reached an all time low in the market (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=F).... now look at Toyota(http://finance.google.com/finance?q=tm&hl=en)....that your company is on the verge of bankrupcy and is talking merger with GM to keep their heads above water... that you owe every ounce of lust for displacement to Rudolph Deisel (german) who designed the internal combustion engine. that VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles.... oh and thats BEOFRE ford bought them and ran their reliability into the ground.... that half of your engine management systems are made by nippon denso (toyota).... that your company makes the focus and as far as rice goes they're right up there with the the civic.

Pretty typical. I think what the main argument here is performance....and what import car fans think they have over American pony/muscle/performance. And for your information, I happen to know a few ppl with 30+ year old Fords, Chevies, Dodges that are still running....and running in a performance capacity at that. Any car can, and will, last almost indefinitely if one takes the time to maintain it properly. But let's face it, 85% of the ppl on the roads in this country today don't want to fool around with maintaining their car.....they just want a packmule that will do what they ask, when they ask, and ask for nothing in return. Besides, how many ppl do you know hold onto a car for 500K+ miles? Most don't. Matter of fact, the ppl I know who buy Japanese autos exclusively tend to buy at a more frequent rate than the ppl I know who buy domestic brand autos. My neighbor, Mr. Toyota himself, hasn't owned a single car for more than 4 years as long as I've known him. The car(usually a Camry) hits 60K miles or 4 years old and its off to the dealership for a new one. And he has the nerve to bag on my 98 Mustang for being inferior. Funny, cuz my 98 still runs like the day I bought it. I guess he feels better about himself by comparing his 06 car with one nearly 10 years older than it. Such arguments are useless and purely subjective.

While I agree that alot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance. And while there isn't anything wrong with even this.....when such a young person steps up talking smack about how his Civic Si( with about 4K in sound equipment, paint job, and body kit) can beat up on a supercharged mustang/cobra or a cammed Z28......then you end up with guys like in here who love to rip on such import lovers.

Point is, don't harp on your car being something it isn't. You don't see me ripping on Civic guys about how my supercharged GT will make better mpg than them do you? Well its no different than when they come in here telling us that an I4 or V6 is a superior performance platform compared to a V8. Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is. I don't have a problem with ppl who are into imports. As I said, I can appreciate performance oriented Asian badges like the STI, EVO, and Skyline. And I give respect not only to those cars but any import that is built to perform, and performs well. But the fact is, that there are alot of ignorant punks out there who are doing a great disservice to their import-based hobby by making completely false and baseless claims. And for those guys, I feel no simpathy when someone in an American badged V8 rips on them.

And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow. You want to talk about such things, fine. Go to Autoblog . com or something. But here, we are performance enthusiasts. Most of us seldom leave much of the factory equipment under our hoods anyway.;)


Theres a guy in the 2005+ section who has his chevelle that he bought like 40 years ago and I believe he had something like 675,000 miles on it.

ORIGINAL: KTownGT


Theres a guy in the 2005+ section who has his chevelle that he bought like 40 years ago and I believe he had something like 675,000 miles on it.

Oh, I believe it. Most of the guys I know that own old late 60's, early 70's muscle rides still have them........and they are still running strong. One guy I used to work with had a 69 Z28. He was, and still is, the original owner. It was still on the stock 302 motor, and had close to 500K miles on it. Of course, he's done a bit of refurbishing over the years. But the car has survived almost 40 years of track runs. It'd probably be close to the million mile mark if it had remained a daily driver for the last 20 years. And I've already heard of at least one old 67-69 mustang (don't remember exactly the year) that superceded the million mile mark.....so I don't know what all that "VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles" crap is about. Oh well.

You can boast about all the 200K+ mileage Civics and Camry's there are out there....but no one is gonna be that impressed with a car that does little but go 55mph to work and the grocery store and back. Get those cars on a strip or roadcourse and wring them out for all their worth every other weekend for 20+ years and see how well that Japanese engineering has held up. My cousin's 256K mileage 94 Accord doesn't impress me one bit. The interior is rotting out, it runs like crap.......and looks even worse than crap. Is it still runnin the roads? Yea. But I'd hardly consider it the benchmark for Japanese automotive superiority.

I guess in the end we all like what we like. And no amount of opinions, statistics, or facts will change that. I guess we can all just agree to disagree.[&o]

ok ok I got to say this i hate all the ricers in their white 98 honda civics with decals for parts they don't even have waiting at a red light, that can't afford a paint job with a body kit about an inch from the floor, listening to 50 cent records with the bass so f**king strong it looks like the doors are going to fall off. Then they take off about 15 mph with the car sounding like its about to die cuz there is no power, and those stupid annoying mufflers that sounds no more intimidating than an rc car. I mean the best is when like they try and get girls they got their seat back, hats sideways, short hair cuts, and goatees. But the best and always will be the best is when they come up next to u at a light put the car in park and rev the car and ask u to race.



<~God Gave Us the Road~>

This is in reply to ThisBlood147 and every other person in this thread,
I agree with you wholly with your statement "While I agree that a lot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance." I also agree with "And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow."
But you know what. Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow. Didn’t the very first post in this thread say “you're a ricer if.... you think Hyundai and performance go hand in hand?” I own an 03 Tiburon and you know what I’ve done to it. I’ve put in a K&N drop in filter. Why? Not because it gives me more power, because it will be the last filter I have to buy for the car. The other thing I did was get a single 15" woofer to go with the MB Quarts that are in the front, not because I listen to "Fifty Cent," But because if you have ever heard Bach or Dream Theater on such a setup you would think you were in a concert hall. And you know what, I don’t own a race car, but when I can take the turns between my house and work in the middle of winter in 4' of snow over 35mph without having to buy snow tires, yea I think my car "performs well". Don’t you dare tell me American cars can’t be "riced". My neighbor has a 98 mustang that she had a body kit installed on. And recently she had the worst set of aftermarket low profile rims put on that I have ever seen. I know for a fact that the one she owns has the stock v6 and automatic setup it rolled off the assembly line with. So technically she qualifies as having "more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance" so doesn't that qualify as being "riced"? According to your definition it does. How about "you're a ricer if... You have a front wing" what exactly is the hollow section on the front of a Ford GT? im almost certain that's a front wing.
And isn’t the fastest car as of right now the Enzo Ferrari? That certainly isn’t American. I also see plenty of early 90's Mitsubishi 3000GT vr-4’s running around. And you said "Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is." I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK 4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.
How about another statement from the original post that said "you're a ricer if.....Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R" do you know what V-Tec is. Its Variable Valve Timing and lift Electronic Control. First off V-Tec wasn't available until 1989. Second, your 5th generation GT has a 300 hp 4.6 L 3-valve V8 with variable valve timing which is an adapted version of the V-Tec that Honda has used for almost the last 2 generations. And how about fuel injection? One of the first commercial gasoline injection systems was a mechanical system developed by Bosch and introduced in 1955 on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. So technically what it comes down to is. By hating foreign cars you guys are bashing the very technology your cars have been designed after.

ORIGINAL: trinitykt133

This is in reply to ThisBlood147 and every other person in this thread,
I agree with you wholly with your statement "While I agree that a lot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance." I also agree with "And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow."
But you know what. Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow. Didn’t the very first post in this thread say “you're a ricer if.... you think Hyundai and performance go hand in hand?” I own an 03 Tiburon and you know what I’ve done to it. I’ve put in a K&N drop in filter. Why? Not because it gives me more power, because it will be the last filter I have to buy for the car. The other thing I did was get a single 15" woofer to go with the MB Quarts that are in the front, not because I listen to "Fifty Cent," But because if you have ever heard Bach or Dream Theater on such a setup you would think you were in a concert hall. And you know what, I don’t own a race car, but when I can take the turns between my house and work in the middle of winter in 4' of snow over 35mph without having to buy snow tires, yea I think my car "performs well". Don’t you dare tell me American cars can’t be "riced". My neighbor has a 98 mustang that she had a body kit installed on. And recently she had the worst set of aftermarket low profile rims put on that I have ever seen. I know for a fact that the one she owns has the stock v6 and automatic setup it rolled off the assembly line with. So technically she qualifies as having "more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance" so doesn't that qualify as being "riced"? According to your definition it does. How about "you're a ricer if... You have a front wing" what exactly is the hollow section on the front of a Ford GT? im almost certain that's a front wing.
And isn’t the fastest car as of right now the Enzo Ferrari? That certainly isn’t American. I also see plenty of early 90's Mitsubishi 3000GT vr-4’s running around. And you said "Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is." I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK 4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.
How about another statement from the original post that said "you're a ricer if.....Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R" do you know what V-Tec is. Its Variable Valve Timing and lift Electronic Control. First off V-Tec wasn't available until 1989. Second, your 5th generation GT has a 300 hp 4.6 L 3-valve V8 with variable valve timing which is an adapted version of the V-Tec that Honda has used for almost the last 2 generations. And how about fuel injection? One of the first commercial gasoline injection systems was a mechanical system developed by Bosch and introduced in 1955 on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. So technically what it comes down to is. By hating foreign cars you guys are bashing the very technology your cars have been designed after.


A few of the judgements you said were just plain retarded, I will try and answer them though.

You are praising the 3000GT and its 300 horse engine, but isn't that a Twin Turbo sixxxer that makes 300 hp and 307 lbs of torque?
The 5th gen mustang GT's are rated at 300 but make around 315 horsepower and 320 lbs of torque... And they are Natural Aspirated and don't need a turbo to obtain.

The comment of owning a V-tec or Type-R was a joke about having a sticker there saying it was that, when it actually wasn't, learn to read and joke.

Yes, variable valve timing is a great thing, that is why American car makers adapted it, the reason why domestic owners make fun of V-tec is because the ricers think that helps there engine so much when ussually it activates right before the red line.


Your comment on your hyundai and performance, drop in filters add maybe a horse, ricers think they add 40 hp and cut .9 off the Quarter Mile.

The Enzo ferrari is definately an amazing car, it has a top speed of around 217 mph, which the new Saleen S7 is able to get to 250+ mph.
A testament to its superb engineering, a racing only version of the S7, called the S7R, has won nearly 40 races around the world in the last few years and set a new track record at the 24 Hours of Le Mans.

How much does a Skyline run cost wise anyways? Isnt there an American and Japanese version?

ORIGINAL: trinitykt133

This is in reply to ThisBlood147 and every other person in this thread,
I agree with you wholly with your statement "While I agree that a lot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance." I also agree with "And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow."
But you know what. Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow.


And you said "Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is." I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK 4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.

YOu know, you ALMOST understood what I was trying to say. But like most ppl on internet forums, you only saw what you wanted to see. I NEVER said EVERY V8 comes off the factory floor with more hp than ANY I4 or V6. I said they have more performance POTENTIAL than any I4 or V6. You don't believe me? Take an I4 or V6 motor, and I'll take a V8.........we'll both take 10K and do a setup in the same kind of car. How much you wanna bet I outrun you? Its simple physics dude..........more cylinders means more power and more torque. If the opposite were true........we never would have evolved past 4 cylinder motors.

And with your first strike against me.....you stuck your head in your ass once again. "Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow." You wanna take a jab at others that are doing the import bashing...go ahead. But my very argument was that I don't believe in that. I stated......rather clearly I would believe, that the kind of guys that get ripped on as being ricers get ripped on primarily because of their "PUNK ATTITUDE." That, combined with numerous non-performance mods that they turn around and THINK makes them faster than a Corvette.....is why such guys get made fun of. Sure I know plenty of ppl around here that do only visual or audio mods. But they don't turn around and tell guys that are running nitrous and turbos that they can kick their ass. Anyone who does that, is a moron.

So you own an 03 Tibby. Pretty fly lookin cars IMO. I don't think that makes you a "ricer". But if you strolled up on the side of my 05 GT (which is supercharged) and began spouting off about how you could waste my American made POS with just half throttle................that would make you the kind of idiot that these guys like to call a "ricer". And for the record........in case you didn't hear me the SECOND time........you don't have to drive an import to be classified as a "ricer". There are plenty of guys driving American made cars these days the fit the loose definition just as well as an import driving guy.

I'll say it again, I only speak for myself. So if the thread starters joke-rantings get under your skin.........go after him. Don't come after me for making statements that were A) not a bash against imports and B) completely on the mark. Now go back to school and take an English Comprehension class........because obviously you need a refresher.:eek:

ORIGINAL: trinitykt133

I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK 4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.

Again, you're making a foolhardy argument for yourself. I happen to agree that the 3000GT is an awesome car. Secondly, if you want to compare it ( a factory blown car) to a current production mustang.......well lets do that. Line it up against a GT500 (factory supercharged mustang). Both cars stock........oops, the 3000GT loses. I only make this statement to back up my motor-based performance quote. Motor for motor, a V8 (American, German, or Japanese made) has more performance potential than any I4 or V6. Can a turbocharged V6 outperform a stock 3V GT mustang? Maybe (that's a senario best posted and discussed in the Street/Strip section. This very topic has been discussed many times in there ). But you're not proving anything about that 3000GT's V6 by making that comparison.......because it came from the factory turbocharged. Yes, V6 motors are getting more powerful as technology improves. But that same technology applied to a V8 will counteract any advantages the V6's accrue.

But if you wish to continue comparing apples to oranges............feel free to post your rebuttal.:)

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147


ORIGINAL: trinitykt133

I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK 4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.

Again, you're making a foolhardy argument for yourself. I happen to agree that the 3000GT is an awesome car. Secondly, if you want to compare it ( a factory blown car) to a current production mustang.......well lets do that. Line it up against a GT500 (factory supercharged mustang). Both cars stock........oops, the 3000GT loses. I only make this statement to back up my motor-based performance quote. Motor for motor, a V8 (American, German, or Japanese made) has more performance potential than any I4 or V6. Can a turbocharged V6 outperform a stock 3V GT mustang? Maybe (that's a senario best posted and discussed in the Street/Strip section. This very topic has been discussed many times in there ). But you're not proving anything about that 3000GT's V6 by making that comparison.......because it came from the factory turbocharged. Yes, V6 motors are getting more powerful as technology improves. But that same technology applied to a V8 will counteract any advantages the V6's accrue.

But if you wish to continue comparing apples to oranges............feel free to post your rebuttal.:)


Isn't Rygen Stormlocke running low 12's on his 2005 Sixxxer???

The 3000 GT VR4 is factory Twin Turboed, so, it takes a japanese made Sixxxer and a TT setup to get the same performance of a american V-8

ORIGINAL: KTownGT
Isn't Rygen Stormlocke running low 12's on his 2005 Sixxxer???



I don't know. Last time I checked he was running low 13's in his six cylinder. ............which was supercharged, if I remember correctly?

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147


ORIGINAL: KTownGT
Isn't Rygen Stormlocke running low 12's on his 2005 Sixxxer???



I don't know. Last time I checked he was running low 13's in his six cylinder. ............which was supercharged, if I remember correctly?


No hese got a powerhouse turbo. I could of swore he went 12.4 on it on a stock block.

I think TheMistress has a S/C and is running really low 13's.

My bad, I"m behind on things around here lately.[8D]

ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147

My bad, I"m behind on things around here lately.[8D]


I'll say [8D]:D

turbo or not, the 3000GT comes off the line, STOCK, with 300hp. and the stock Sti's are running 13.4 on a H4 Stock block

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

turbo or not, the 3000GT comes off the line, STOCK, with 300hp. and the stock Sti's are running 13.4 on a H4 Stock block


STi's and 3000GT's would be awful if there were no F/I methods. Since you are comparing a N/A engine to a F/I, I guess I will use them too. We also don;'t need to run 30+ psi to do that [8D]

GT500(2007+) runs 12's stock, Evolution Performance has one into the low 10's right now with a few mods.
Terminator Cobra(2003-2004) runs 12's bone stock.

Here are some N/A cars that are $10,000-30,000ish.
LS1 maro's and T/A's can run 12's stock.
LS2 GTO's and Charger SRT-8's can scratch into 12's stock and 11's with a few mods.
There are people who have run 13.4 with the new mustang GT stock too. Add CAI+Tune you cut it down to 13 flat, add udps, cams, etc you can run 12's without much cash.

Give me a terminator and give yourself a 3000GT or a STi, give us both 1k to mod are cars at will and I guarantee I can blow your doors off. And don't mention twisties, The new mustangs handle extremely well stock and can be even better with a few hundred into suspension.

So anything else you want to bring up?

Its like I said......they're always wanting to compare apples to oranges. Then again, the cars they're defending have fewer cylinders than the cars we're defending........so I guess they have no choice but to compare apples to oranges. He wants to compare a 300hp turbocharged V6 AWD to an NA 300hp RWD......go ahead and let'em. But if you even up the two cars (either rebuild the 3000GT without the turbo .....or slap a turbo on the Mustang and make it AWD), then you tell me what the outcome would be.

Meh, forget it. This is just not an argument that can be won. As I said before........ppl see these issues the way they "want" to see it.:eek: And we can't really say too much either considering the debate us FI mustang guys are always having with the bolt-on, cammed LSX guys.........its sort of the same argument: smaller displacement FI vs. larger displacement NA. That perspective hasn't failed me.

Didnt we drop a nuke on the japs back in 1945? What power beat who? Oh i remember. Ours beat there's. Basic history.

ORIGINAL: BLackie

Didnt we drop a nuke on the japs back in 1945? What power beat who? Oh i remember. Ours beat there's. Basic history.


If it were all japs defending toyotas and hyundais, then you could use that statement, but since it is wigger white bois...

hey evo...... i def see where you're coming from. We all have our own opinions and evos will **** on a lot of stuff. This is a mustang forum andthats why we all talk **** about ricers. My friends have a bunch of nice ricers like an sti(he also has a 67 mustang gt in mint condition) and a cobalt ss(he sweats evos but cant afford insurance on one.) there's even a kid in my town with a 800hp integra. so how about not making an account on a mustang forum and go back to the evo forums

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's. Stock to Stock drag racing, everyone signed up on this site knows that a stock V8 Camaro Z28 or SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette, excluding the Z06, couldn't beat a Subaru Impreza 22B STi in a drag race, and its ONLY a 4 CYLINDER. Yea, they may sound different, and dont have that ugly, gas guzzling sound as those V8's, but they're still quick.



God help us all - lol They are not as quick as Buick Grand Nationals!

but hey isn't the Buick Grand National Turbocharged!?!?! lol hmmm..i'm not arguing to say that V8's are worse than I4 or anything, but you know you ALL have to admit, that MOST of the I4, H4, I6 are quick! You have an advantage of 4 extra cylinders, and the EvoVIII are only pushing probably not over 10psi stock as it is. Turbo or not, it's still stock! plain and simple. and whoever said $10,000 for each or w/e, i know that i could produce a faster car with $10,000 than you easily. and honestly, no stock engine, except the RB26DETT, can produce over 30psi+ on a stock block. That's insane as it is! So don't come preaching to me that u can make a faster car with $10,000, because when it comes to POWER/WEIGHT RATIO, we KILL YOU!!:P:):):):):):):):):) Have a nice day everyone and just think about both sides and not just one.


Mitsubishi 3000GT, Eclipse GSX, GST, Evolution III, IV, V, VI, VIII
Subaru Impreza WRX 22B STi
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V-Spec II NuR, 240SX, Z32(aka 300ZX), Silvia S13, S14, S15
Honda Civic, Prelude, Del Sol, CRX
Acura Integra, NSX
Mazda RX7, RX8, CX-7, MX6, MX3, MX5
Toyota Supra, Celica, AE86 Tureno


Pontiac Solstice

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

but hey isn't the Buick Grand National Turbocharged!?!?! lol hmmm..i'm not arguing to say that V8's are worse than I4 or anything, but you know you ALL have to admit, that MOST of the I4, H4, I6 are quick! You have an advantage of 4 extra cylinders, and the EvoVIII are only pushing probably not over 10psi stock as it is. Turbo or not, it's still stock! plain and simple. and whoever said $10,000 for each or w/e, i know that i could produce a faster car with $10,000 than you easily. and honestly, no stock engine, except the RB26DETT, can produce over 30psi+ on a stock block. That's insane as it is! So don't come preaching to me that u can make a faster car with $10,000, because when it comes to POWER/WEIGHT RATIO, we KILL YOU!!:P:):):):):):):):):) Have a nice day everyone and just think about both sides and not just one.


Mitsubishi 3000GT, Eclipse GSX, GST, Evolution III, IV, V, VI, VIII
Subaru Impreza WRX 22B STi
Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V-Spec II NuR, 240SX, Z32(aka 300ZX), Silvia S13, S14, S15
Honda Civic, Prelude, Del Sol, CRX
Acura Integra, NSX
Mazda RX7, RX8, CX-7, MX6, MX3, MX5
Toyota Supra, Celica, AE86 Tureno


Pontiac Solstice


I have a few ricer friends who say that same thing. Funny how you say it too. [8D]

You actually put a civic, prelude, Eclipse GSX/GST, Integra, CX-7, Celica on your list of good imports... No wonder people think you are a ricer. Ok, Ricers need tons of boost And/Or a big shot of Nitrous to even get good HP numbers. Look up any honda and, see how much PSI you have to have any respectable HP/Torque, they need at least a B16 and a Turbo running like 20 PSI... Also, why did you put a PONTIAC Solstice up on your list in big bold letters? Pontiac is owned by GM and last I remeber, GMC was a Domestic car company.

hmmm, ok... Lets have a competition, you have 4500 to spend on a car, and 10000 to spend in mods. I will take a Fox body mustang, and you can get... A civic or something.

I would kill you in drag and give you a huge run for your money and/or beat you in autocross, etc.
Put 10 grand into a cobra you can probably produce, around 900 HP mark. Can't really say that for a supra.

Since you are into listing bunch of cars, all of them but a few are slow stock. I will give you a list too.

GM: Camaro 1967-2002 and about to be 2007+, same with Firebird, and Trans Am, and the vette, and the corair.
Oldsmobile: Cutlass, etc
Ford: T-Bird, 1965-2007+ stang, Ford GT, Lightning
Dodge: Viper, Charger SRT-8, 300c SRT-8, Jeep SRT-8(yep a jeep), Ram 1500 SRT-10, Crossfire SRT-6, Challenger, etc.
Cadilac: CTS-V, CTS, XLR, XLR-V,
Mazda(owned by Ford) RX7, RX8, CX-7, MX6, MX3, MX5
Jaguar, Aston Martin which are all owned by Ford...

There are many others, I just put some cars up there off the top of my head.

Buick GN's factory Turbo V6's with intercoolers (86 - 87) anything before that are Hot Airs or no intercooler. Back when Buick started turbocharging cars from the factory, the only other companies offering factory turbo cars were Porshe and Saab.

Buick ran low 13s stock back in 87, where were the imports then?

8 seconds has been achieved with a stock buick 3.8 production block in a 3400# car @ more than 35 psi.

My TSM legal Buick is ten seconds capable with a total investment of $7000 (including the car) and it weighs 3600#. Imagine if I shaved 1000# or put another $3k into it.

My 07 Mustang GT gets 28mpg on the highway which is not bad for V8.

Not bad for a girl!

Ps... Don't get me wrong, I like Imports, that is why I have an Opel GT.

KTOWNGT your an idiot, seeing how Supra's can produce over 1300hp on a STOCK BLOCK and u obviously couldn't tell i was kidding around when i said the Pontiac Solstice. TSM Girl, i think we're on the same page or close to lol, but just look how much psi it takes to actually get that Buick fast. 35psi is insane. You all need to realize, except for about 3 of you, that if a car is stock, its stock no matter what it has on it. Some cars come with Supercharger's stock, but us import lovers dont b**ch and complain about it, and you shouldn't either if imports come with a turbocharger stock. Really think about it for a minute, and just realize, stock is stock, turbo stock, twin turbo stock, or supercharger stock.

yeah well lets see here, once again simple physics. . . a v8 with more displacement will be able to withstand more horsepower than any v6 or I4. yeah i get what ur sayin about stock to stock, but the simple fact is that you need and A$$ load of boost to get 300+hp in an I4 where as most american muscle and sports cars are N.A and produce the same or more horsepower and if not extreemly detuned. oh and im not b_tchin Im justa layin out the cold hard truth so go back to hoda whatever forums and talk to your own kind we are kinda getting sick of your ranting so just . . .go, the fact that your getting offended by this is funny when you dont even fall under the catogory of "ricer" so i dont see why you get all upset, I have a V6 Mustang and yeah ive done the usual dual exhaust and cold air intake with a nice stereo but im not preaching that im beating GT and im not saying that you are because youve already said your not i got the cold air for the same reason you got your k&N filter sure i gained 10-12 hp but hell thats not much and i admit it. we are here because we love mustangs and not to argue with people about ricers.

Okay, I think we all need to calm down a bit. One of the great things about cars is that there are so many different types with different nuances, which is why there are so many different kinds of car fans as well. Besides, if one type of performance car was clearly superior to the others then all car enthusiasts would be driving the same car. But this isn't the case now is it?

Secondly, EvoVII - this thread was originally started to make fun of the stereotypical "boy racer" with a slow import econobox with wing, fart can, etc. The Evo's are fast and we know it, and do not fall into this category. Neither do the 3000GT's and Supras you mentioned earlier.

Another point that we were trying to get across is that if you have 2 engines that are turbocharged the bigger one will usually be faster. And you do have a point as well - factory turbo vs bigger factory NA has its pro's and cons. Notice how BMW offers 335i with twin turbo, as well as an M5 with a V10?


Sorry for the interruption. And now back to your regularly scheduled flamewar...

Ok im not gonna BS here. I admit, for the most part, american muscle will beat imports in a straight away if the same amount of money is spent on each car. Im a hardcore import fan and i will gladly admit this. But any 14 year old with his learners liscence with his mom in the car next to him can go fast on a straight road. But try taking your boat sized muscle car around a corner, and you will have to half your speed or risk ending up in a ditch. Your muscle car will definately beat my MR2 (mid engine rear wheel) on a straight away, but try to challenge it on any road with turns, and its good game for the muscle car. "real men attack the corners"

Where did all these ricer fans come from all of a sudden?
And why are you here?
Why don't you find a nice little ricer chat room?

I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..


P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.

Dude your the doush bag got on a MUSTANG'S FORUM that is for like mustang owners or enthusist why are you even here?? Really yea ill give it to you, you did pick a great coice of an import if had a jap. car that is what it would be but that still doesent cange the fact that you came to a mustang forum and started talking smack we out number you. REMEMBER THAT!

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

TSM Girl, i think we're on the same page or close to lol, but just look how much psi it takes to actually get that Buick fast. 35psi is insane.

I don't think we are on the same page. 35 psi is just getting started. Anyway the 8 sec stock block Buick I spoke of is only running a single 70mm turbo. There is plenty more potential there to go faster.

As far as road racing, a Buick T-type won the 1998 Silver State Classic Challenge road race unlimited class with a speed of 205mph.

I do not think you have ridden in a new Mustang, they handle very well and even better with a few minor changes.

ORIGINAL: importstyle

Ok im not gonna BS here. I admit, for the most part, american muscle will beat imports in a straight away if the same amount of money is spent on each car. Im a hardcore import fan and i will gladly admit this. But any 14 year old with his learners liscence with his mom in the car next to him can go fast on a straight road. But try taking your boat sized muscle car around a corner, and you will have to half your speed or risk ending up in a ditch. Your muscle car will definately beat my MR2 (mid engine rear wheel) on a straight away, but try to challenge it on any road with turns, and its good game for the muscle car. "real men attack the corners"

You'd do well to keep that argument confined to ppl who own older mustangs on stock suspension. Because I've already outcornered a guy in a non-STI WRX on a 2 lane curvy backroad. And thats on stock suspension. And then I'm about to do a wholesale upgrade on my suspension, so I'll gladly hang out at a roadcourse with the import guys. I'm not gonna blame you for making that boast, as I would have considered it valid up until the current generation of mustangs......but any import guy that thinks his stock suspension import can hand a new GT its ass in the twisties is gonna be doing the "OH SH*T! OH SH*T! OH SH*T!" rant over and over while trying to get the upper hand. JFYI

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

KTOWNGT your an idiot, seeing how Supra's can produce over 1300hp on a STOCK BLOCK and u obviously couldn't tell i was kidding around when i said the Pontiac Solstice. TSM Girl, i think we're on the same page or close to lol, but just look how much psi it takes to actually get that Buick fast. 35psi is insane. You all need to realize, except for about 3 of you, that if a car is stock, its stock no matter what it has on it. Some cars come with Supercharger's stock, but us import lovers dont b**ch and complain about it, and you shouldn't either if imports come with a turbocharger stock. Really think about it for a minute, and just realize, stock is stock, turbo stock, twin turbo stock, or supercharger stock.



NO sir, you are the ****ing idiot... How ****ing cash do you have to put into that there supra to get 1300 hp? Don't try and tell me it is any where close to 10k in mods. I have seen some that have about 30k in the engine alone and make about 1200 hp... How much PSI do you need to push through that engine block to achieve that amount of HP?

If you don't believe me, look up Supra's on Car.com or Autotrader... 70,000+ seems a little pricey for a 8 year old car that cost half that back when it was new...

How long will that stock Supra engine last if it was producing 1300 hp? Not to long...

KTOWNGT your FING stupid as it is and your bada$$ V8 POS wont last as long as even half the foreign cars on the market today. Honda Civic's still running with 300,000 miles on them, yea, can't have a mustang do that without having MAJOR PROBLEMS. I've seen Mustangs blow their engine with only a 100 shot of NOS so dont you dare even start to even consider that a Mustang is Better than a Supra or any of those cars. I could take a S13 and put an RB25DET in it and run 14's or 13's. I could upgrade to a bigger turbo and be running 11's. i could probably run 12's just by up the boost..and the pathetic thing is, you all say "Oh, well its got a turbo", but aren't the Mustang V8's Supercharged..hmm seems FAIR to me..your all a bunch of LOSERS!! hahahahahahahahaha


1989 Nissan 240sx RB25DET
250rwhp 217lb-ft tq.
L6 Turbocharged 2.5L
Custom Driveshaft
STOCK INTERNALS

and with a smaller body, it'll be quick as F&^$

ps Everyone else who actually respects and understands my point of view, thanks. Everyone else, you need to start looking at some of the cars out there and sell ur POS Mustangs

You dudes are breaking the grand-daddy of all internet argument rules...............you're making blanket statements. Even in the face of those who would use such a tactic against you....it makes you look just as ignorant when you use it as a counter attack. Next time just counter with raw, objective facts guys.....and leave the emotion-based bickering out of your statements.

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

but aren't the Mustang V8's Supercharged..hmm seems FAIR to me..your all a bunch of LOSERS!! hahahahahahahahaha

Only the new Shelby mustang is supercharged from the factory with 500hp, and runs 12's right out of the box. The standard GT mustang V8's are totally NA in stock form with 300hp, and runs 13's out of the box.


ps Everyone else who actually respects and understands my point of view, thanks. Everyone else, you need to start looking at some of the cars out there and sell ur POS Mustangs

So what about those of us who understand your point..............do we need to sell our POS mustangs too?

And for what its worth, whatever ignorance you are encountering in this thread.............it's being met with your own. Let's all do ourselves a favor and stick to what we know.;)

I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for the Mustang and I almost bought a GT. I have owned 3 brand new Fords and I grew up around American muscle. My dad's daily driver today is a 1967 Fairlane.

Today I drive a 2006 Eclipse GT/MT. One of the things that impresses me about "Japanese" cars is their ability to put out more HP with their V6 models. The Mustang V6 is around 210hp compared to my Eclipse around 270 stock. The 350z is NA and are selling with 300hp. I put quotes around Japanese because my Eclipse was designed in the US (Cypress, CA) and was assembled at a UAW plant in Ill.

In my opinion in the under 30k sports car category the Japanese cars are putting out the same or close to power with their V6s as American V8s.

Of course HP isn't everything, those little Lotus cars with 180hp will smoke most cars out there.

ORIGINAL: HomerSimpson15

I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for the Mustang and I almost bought a GT. I have owned 3 brand new Fords and I grew up around American muscle. My dad's daily driver today is a 1967 Fairlane.

Today I drive a 2006 Eclipse GT/MT. One of the things that impresses me about "Japanese" cars is their ability to put out more HP with their V6 models. The Mustang V6 is around 210hp compared to my Eclipse around 270 stock. The 350z is NA and are selling with 300hp. I put quotes around Japanese because my Eclipse was designed in the US (Cypress, CA) and was assembled at a UAW plant in Ill.

In my opinion in the under 30k sports car category the Japanese cars are putting out the same or close to power with their V6s as American V8s.

Of course HP isn't everything, those little Lotus cars with 180hp will smoke most cars out there.



Have you ever heard of "torque"?

No! I'm not that smart.

How about 1/4 Mile ETs?

2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77

2005 Ford Mustang GT V-6 6.9 15.3

2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5


I don't think thats too bad for a V6.

ORIGINAL: HomerSimpson15

How about 1/4 Mile ETs?

2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77


That 350Z either:

a.) was one hell of a factory freak
b.) was driven by God himself
c.) was not stock

I lined up against a couple of pre-300hp 350Zs when I was stock and it wasn't even a contest. I don't know how well the new more powerful ones run.

This was the track time for Mototrend Magazine March of 2004.

The Mustang V8 time was also from Mototrend Jan 2005.

ORIGINAL: HomerSimpson15

No! I'm not that smart.

How about 1/4 Mile ETs?

2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77

2005 Ford Mustang GT V-6 6.9 15.3

2005 Ford Mustang GT 4.6L V8 5.1 13.5


I don't think thats too bad for a V6.




that wasn't a stock 350z... They put out respectable HP amounts but they are very lacking in the torque department. The new 350 z I believe have 13 more horsepower to make it 300, but the torque suffered a ~10 lbs loss. Most 350z's are lucky to run 13's, but they are damn good in the twisties. The new V-8 is rated at 300 but puts out around 315.

I wouldn't compare the mustang V-8 if I had the choice, I would go for the LS1-LS2. 350-400 HP from factory and enough torque to break into 12's stock...

That was a stock 350z. I got it from a Ford enthusiast website that posts stock 1/4 mile times.


If HP is everything then how do you explain a 190hp Lotus Elise running 12.9 1/4 mile with 0-60 4.4? I really don't think that the Lotus is made to go straight either.

Uhhh. . . yeah import and domestic quality is pretty much the same now adays, the imports actually had to catch up since they came to the states back in the day, my moms first car was a 79 civic and my dad had to get under that things damn hood every fkin weekend just to keep the pos running so dont tell me that imports are better just because the commmercials say they are. grow up and stop listening to the media. i bet your a liberal too. yeah my aunts f250 has 270,000 miles on it and still running strong so go do a little research before posting threads.

Research? Your arguement is weak. I had a 03 Ford Explorer and lost the transmission at 38k miles. I voted for Bush and my hero is Reagan.

What the?.............are you guys arguing politics in here now? Jeez.....can't we AT LEAST keep the discussion on the performance of modern domestic and import autos?

These are what I was talking about.
Ricers

More rice

ORIGINAL: HomerSimpson15

That was a stock 350z. I got it from a Ford enthusiast website that posts stock 1/4 mile times.


If HP is everything then how do you explain a 190hp Lotus Elise running 12.9 1/4 mile with 0-60 4.4? I really don't think that the Lotus is made to go straight either.


HP isn't everything... Torque wins races.

ORIGINAL: HomerSimpson15
If HP is everything then how do you explain a 190hp Lotus Elise running 12.9 1/4 mile with 0-60 4.4? I really don't think that the Lotus is made to go straight either.

Not to be argumentative..........but a 350Z doesn't weigh anywhere near as light as a Lotus Elise. They weigh roughly the same as a New Edge GT.

Everyone needs one of these.




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That's a good 1.
I like that Rice Citation

ORIGINAL: gbtrout

Everyone needs one of these.




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Hey, don't go ragging on 4cyl engines. 1) the Ford 2.3L turbo was a rather strong performer in the T bird Turbo coupe. 2) For the $8000 price tag, I can build a Mopar 2.2L Hybrid Turbo (2.2L bottom end with Neon 2.4L DOHC head and pull 350-400hp out of it, heck, I could probably build 2 of them). If I stick with the 8 valve head, a super 60 kit will give me a gauranteed 300 hp. In fact, Chrysler dynoed the prototype at 325 hp and 312 ft-lb torque. Japanese engines can make a lot of horsepower, you just have to turn them 9000 rpm, and they have no low end torque. As for ricers, they look real shocked when a lowly K car dusts their fart can equipped Honda or Acura. Ask Archion about a night in Chespeake in a certain 1985 K car. BTW, it has bagged a couple of older Mustang GTs too.

if NISMO stands for Nissan Motorsports...wouldnt HOMO stand for Honda Motorsports?

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As far as the night in chesapeake there were these two little ricers, one in an integra and the other a civic, tha acura was done pretty nice and subtle, the civic on the other hand it was a type rs??? wtf, never seen one of those...lol gotta love vynil. anyway i digress.

At the intersection it is a double left turn lane onto volvo from battlefield. The civic is in the left, and the acura is in the right of the two lanes. we are behind the acura. they are sitting there revving each other as my father and I are sitting there trying not to laugh too hard. they take off around the corner and of course the civic falls behind by about half a car, then i goose the lebaron about halfway through the turn lighting the tires, as the acura pulls away from the civic a little I shoot between the two letting the boost climb, we wave bye to them and they try to keep up but give up until the next light when we get the get the fly by from the civic, but not the acura, he was pretty cool about getting spanked. He just motored on like normal.

If I spent the money on my GT that rice spends on their cars to become as fast as my stock GT; my GT with mods would piss on the dust you're about to eat. Nothing but embarrassments and sh!t comes out of those fart pipes.

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Okay, I can't say I condone name calling, but dude, this is a mustang forum, not an Evo forum. Expect that folks here will not be into imports. I've had many front drive cars including two escorts, a probe, a windstar, and a fiesta. Great on gas, but still FWD. Not our cup of tea, really.

but the thing is the REALLY good imports are AWD or RWD. and as for the guy that said something about the "Ricers" spending money to keep up with his stock GT. I could buy a Nissan 240sx and MURDER you easily. RWD is great for drifting.

P.S.-The Straight Line Is Overrated:)

your just mad (mod for mod) you get [sm=owned.gif] at the drag strip

As for RWD great for drifting, its only good cause it allows you to stress the drivetrain and spin the right set of wheels...from what i hear a first year mustang is owning a lot of the import runnin on the drift circuit

dont forget, neons add an extra 10 hp ;)


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for one if your talking to me about the neons, i'm not an idiot. and for the Mustang owning imports drifting, its the brand new 2005 or so, and its not all it's cracked up to be. The Rockstar Silvia and Mopar Viper are the two best drifters on Forumla D that i've seen. that mustang is good, i'm not gonna deny it, but hes not OWNING the imports. the Redbull GTO is pretty good also. The Silvia, Viper, and GTO would be my favorite.

drifting: created by ricers for ricers

evos are cool, but they aren't american muscle and thats what we are here.

ohh and ricers just leave, even if u are on a top secret bash american muscle mission, you aren't very successful.

EvoVII...get your head out of the fart can you call a performance muffler. American MUSCLE will beat a Jap rice bucket any day. I like the looks of most imports and respect some of them, but when I see some dickhead sign up for a forum dedicated to Mustangs and try to bash us, that's when that little respect I have goes away. Little bitches like you are exactly why us American Muscle fans love to hate ricers!!!

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I think the argument has less to do with POTENTIAL and more to do with REALITY. Sure, a 4-cylinder import has POTENTIAL to produce incredible power with enough modding. But in REALITY, everywhere I've lived, the ricers basically have economy-trim imports (ie base model Civic) with nothing more than a tin can exhaust upgrade, shiny rims, and a lot of stickers. It's really sad and you have to wonder if these guys actually think they are impressing anyone. Maybe only a couple times a year I'll come across an import that is actually modded up to truly perform.

I always thought the General Lee invented drifting!

ORIGINAL: 87WSP5.0

I always thought the General Lee invented drifting!

:D

you're on a mustang forum you cock. you come in talking **** about broke ass ponies, be ready to get your ass handed to you.

I don't NEED Muscle to beat Asian Cars. I have dragraced my dad's 1993 Mercury Topaz GS V6 2dr 5spd against MANY Hondas and Acuras (modded with intake, exhaust, and cosmetic stuff, and yes, I could hear the intake and exhaust were modded), both from a standstill and rolling start. By the time I was grabbing 3rd gear, the speedo is hitting 100+ km's/hr, and climbing. The asian car, winding out to 9,000+ rpm or more, and falling further and further behind (beat a 2000 Si by over 3 lengths homez, and he was goosing his engine for all it had in the first 4 gears). My old man even PASSES asian cars on onramps or offramps in his Topaz. He's got replacement springs and shocks, but so do the cars he's passing.

Speaking of winding out engines, if I wanted to shift at 9,000-12,000+ rpm, then I'd buy a crotch rocket. And if RPM's are of consequence to you, then check out the 1st Gen Ford Tuarus SHO. That engine was capable of over 10,000rpm, a speed that the engine was run at NON-STOP for a WEEK to prove it's durability. They could have gone faster, but the water pump, alternator, and other accesories were caving in and failing at that point. Now, before you go telling me that the engine was designed by Yamaha and Mazda and whatnot, I'll do you a favour and tell you that that is incorrect. The INTAKE manifold was designed by Yamaha. That's it. They came up with the design and manufacturing processes. The cylinder head was designed in conjunction with Mazda, becasue Mazda wanted to use a variant of that engine in the 626 at the time. The block design and casting was co-ordinated with cosworth.

On another note, when my dad owned a 1987 Saab 9000 Turbo with over 350,000km's on it, he could EAT his friends MkIII Supra Turbo Targa going down the ramp and upto highway speed (Supra was a 5 spd, the Saab was an Auto btw). It could also do in excess of 150mph stock. When it had over 400,000km's on it, and blown oil seals on the turbo, and the water pump pulley was seizing, the car was still capable of over 100mph. A feat that stock 4cyl asian cars could barely muster in TOP condition/ or new.

BTW, my 1977 Chevrolet Silverado with it's tired 350 V8 and 3 spd Auto with OVER 500,000 MILES on it, will still outpace a lot of NEW 4cyl cars, from any brand.

Oh yeah, each individual lugnut on my Mustang's rims have more ft lbs of torque than a Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla. Oh yeah, so did the engine in my Ford Focus too...

Have I said enough yet?

But wait, there's more....

If more people like you continue to act like sheep and flock to Toyota Honda and Nissan (and Hyundai and Kia now too) for all of your vehicles, because you have this notion that they are better (whether this betterness is determined by mpg, or resale value, or repairs), then maybe you will put the big 3 out of business. You already pointed that out in this thread with the refference to the stock options of the big 3 versus the other auto makers. If you put the big 3 out of business, you'll be putting 100's of thousands of your countrymen and women out of a job. But I won't stop there. You'll put the other 100's of thousands of people in the dealerships out of a job too. Then let's not forget the 100's of thousands of people that work for the support companies, like Tenneco Automotive, Delphi, Dana, Visteon, etc out of a job. And then put THEIR suppliers out of a job. Hmmm, without all that brand support, what do you think will happen to SEMA? To Nascar ( if that's something you are into)...they'll be a LOT worse for wear. Oh yeah, you'll F*** the North American Economy on a major scale. Both the US and parts of Canada's economies are driven by the automobile industry. So why not look at the big picture huh? And before you start prattling on about the asian car companies keep opening plants in North America every year, and employ 100's of thousands of American and Canadian Auto workers, those people work for THEM. Not them AND the big 3. Also go watch the episode of Ford Bold Moves where the president of Ford of the Americas goes to see the Toyota plant in texas, and see that most of the parking lot is full of FORD and GM trucks, driven by the employees, and by the contractors. NOT toyotas.

BTW, more people lust after the car from Bullit, and Elanor than ANY asian car.

Nuff Said.

5sp Manual Supra's were only single turbo, maybe like 210hp? not very much. and a Toyota Supra RZ Twin Turbo has no limits on highways. BTW civics dont shift at 9,000rpm..thats to much for those things. That was about the Skyline which has no limits anywhere. and Just because you can hear a cars muffler doesn't mean its fast. Performance is performance no matter what it looks like or how it sounds. none of you can say different.

I didn't say anything about assuming an exhaust or Intake sound determines performance or if it makes me think the car must be fast. I was merely stating what the guy had done, and I knew what he had done by the sound the car made, as I had an exhaust and a AEM CAI on my Focus.

I know that the Supra Turbo wasn't very powerfull for the MkIII, but neither was the Saab my old man had. Both weighed roughly the same, but the Saab was faster, and I don't know why.

Also I was thinking today about you all were doing cost comparisons of buying the type of cars you like/preffer, and sinking money into them...the same amount of money.

So lets do that, but put another twist on things. Things are different for those of us north of the border, as cars are more expensive here. First off, for what I paid used for my 05 Stang GT, is the same amount of money I could have payed for a Ralliart Lancer. The Evo isn't even allowed here as I'm sure you know, since it's FMIC setup leaves it with a front clip that won't pass safety regs here in Canada. So, the closest thing to an Evo, is a Ralliart. I could have decided to pay $40,000 BEFORE interest, and over $730 cdn per month to finance a Mazda6 Sport (or over 50K for the Mazdaspeed6). If I wanted to buy one of these other cars, a WRX STi , Nissan Maxima 3.5SE or Altima SE-R or 350Z even, they are all OVER $50,000 cdn, before you even add the taxes. When Ford had employee pricing on, you could go and buy a 2007 Mustang GT with the 18" Chrome Bullitts, the Shaker hood, and EVERY option for $34,000 cdn, with ZERO down, before taxes.

So now I've determined that I would rather spend $34K before taxes on a new Stang (that's if I had bought new) than bridge the difference to a $50,000 Asian car in the same power league, and stock for stock too.

Now, let's put the additional $15K you saved buying a Stang into a visit to a place like SHM. We'll put in a Kenne Bell S/C, exhaust, some head work, injectors, MAF, tuning, maybe some other goodies, and what the...you have a street legal 700+hp Car that will run on pump gas, and without spray. SHM has more than one turn-key car at their shop in Woodstock ON that is over 600hp to the rear wheels with light boost, and NO spray.

Put the same $15K on top of the $50,000 already spent on something like a 350Z. Let's use something like a Vortech S/C, exhaust, headwork, and tuning, and end up with a car that's around 400-450+hp to the wheels.

Both vehicles would have been NA to begin with, and both of them have S/C's....hmmm, the Stang is still more powerfull. Why is that?

Of course you can make an EVO VII or VIII Faster and even destroy a Mustang. You also can with an STI, a Supra, or even an S15 Silvia. But how much would you have to spend to make that happen...? $50K? $70K? Don't forget that a lot of those cars (with the Toyta and Nissans I just used as examples being the exceptions) are also stripped down versions of a cheaper car with cloth interiors and almost Zero Creature comforts. They also have little suspension compliance, especially in the cold like we get up here in Canada, which translates into a crummy car to drive long distance in. My point? just trying to remind you that while a lot of imports aren't a "1-trick-pony" (no pun intended), neither are Mustangs, or other Muscle cars for that matter.

Just some more stuff to consider.

I have a few questions for you import people that decided to grace us with your presence....

Why would you come on a MUSTANG forum to talk smack? The thread was started as a joke making fun of some of the ricer cars we see every day. I'm sure you do too. Here are some examples for you since you cant seem to figure it out.



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Need more examples? Cause I can do this all damn day long man. Look I'm not saying that you cant make an import fast. We have all agreed that it can be done. Hell I OWNED TWO BEFORE MY MUSTANGS!!! This thread was started as a joke until some of you guys came in here talking sh!t about our Stangs. BTW what do you own and drive again?? Would it be any of the cars you were talking about whipping our car's asses? Cause if you are anywhere near me I'm game for it man. I'm stock (even an automatic) outside of exhaust and gears, but I promise you you'll take a different opinion of Mustangs afterwards.

Here is the TRUCK I owned before my Stang.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/97minitaco/PASSENGERSIDE.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/97minitaco/REAR.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/97minitaco/INTERIORDS.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/97minitaco/99engine.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/97minitaco/turboforsale2.jpg


And yes I have taken one or two Mustangs in my time, but can pass them off as bad drivers for the most part.

Then I owned a Honda Accord V6 until a few months ago.

Now I have THIS:

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e355/97minitaco/Jacob5monthsandhalloween039.jpg

Dollar for dollar, you can pull more performance and power out of a Mustang or a V8 than you could ever get out of an import short of you owning the company. Not knocking them, but you have to admit that it takes a lot more to pull the same numbers out of a car with half the displacement. That's just a fact. Drive what you like to drive. No one is gonna bash you for it, but dont come in here throwing around stuff you "know" to be a fact. I've been on both sides of the spectrum, and I know the difference. And I'm driving what was the best choice for me. Lot more power for a lot less money.

http://www.botldz.com/videos/willielowboost_vs_shane.WMV

HA!

I used to have a 240SX with some **** done...it was fast. It was a pain in the ass to keep up with to keep it relieable. The biggest thing is that the entire car was not designed to go that fast or handle the amount of power I had in it. Hondas, Acuras, VW's w/e the import is, yea they can easly be fast as hell but to keep the relieability of the car is just impossible most of the time. Ex. my 240 was an 89.....strong tranny, motor, and rear. Low mileage all kinds of nonsense done. The thing needed a bigger radiator, better tune. Try to get parts for it was a pain in the ass, most of the time you cant got to Advance or Autozone to get a little b/s thing. Plus when you can go there usually the part is not going to hold up with everything the car has done to it.

Yea you take a Honda and put 350 horses in it...its fast and needs better brakes
If you make a Cobra have 750 horses you most likely gonna need to upgrade brakes too but every apsect of that car was made for speed, and power, you put those brakes on that Honda and something else is gonna go.... its a never ending process.

Some ppl are able to make 400hp civis that run 11's out handle porsches and drive daily with decent gas mileage and look ok(to extent of a honda) but they are FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.

Bottom line....how many girls have you picked up with your import....I had my 240 for 3 years...I had my Mustang for under 2 months ....HELL OF A LOT MORE LOOKS AND COMPLEMENTS.... I actually had a couple girls who dont care for cars sayin "damn this is a nice car" My import would have tossed my Mach 1 like a pitbull with a ragdoll But that torque 2 wheel peel and V8 roar are just too sweet and the whole car is made for what it is and made for more...
imports are not bad, I would say modified they can equal Americans and sometimes outdue them but to each his own but you will never ever see an import match a American in popularity...

Gone in Sixty Seconds
Bullitt
Smokey and the Bandit
Knightrider
...i know there is more...
What the imports got?
Fast and Furious 1-3(in #3 a Domestic was used with a import motor..dumb idea.. but still a American)(#2 it took all the imports had to beat the Camaro and Hemi)

ask someone about the orange surpa or something, then ask who Elanore is....


I think this is done ....

ORIGINAL: EvoVII

You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's. Stock to Stock drag racing, everyone signed up on this site knows that a stock V8 Camaro Z28 or SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette, excluding the Z06, couldn't beat a Subaru Impreza 22B STi in a drag race, and its ONLY a 4 CYLINDER. Yea, they may sound different, and dont have that ugly, gas guzzling sound as those V8's, but they're still quick.


Who let this bozo in here? Doesn't the banner at the top say 'MUSTANG Forums'? enh, whatever, let the little rice-BOYS have their fun... probably the biggest auto-related thrill that they get...

You might be a ricer if... it TAKES a turbo pushing double-digit boost to break into the 15's!

You know, sure, I might not be able to beat an XYZ PDQ42 Impreza stock-to-stock... but I DON'T HAVE A POWER ADDER!!! There's no replacement for displacement... oh yeah, and I paid less too ;-)

so you don't want to buy a mustang, but you come to a mustang site??? that's like saying, I'm on a diet but I'd just like to see what they have to offer at the krispy kreme today...

ORIGINAL: grruminator78

so you don't want to buy a mustang, but you come to a mustang site??? that's like saying, I'm on a diet but I'd just like to see what they have to offer at the krispy kreme today...


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ORIGINAL: trinitykt133

oh such hatred in this thread. you guys enjoy hating imports. but it will not change the fact that all in all, imports as a whole have far outlasted any american car ever made... that your stock has reached an all time low in the market (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=F).... now look at Toyota(http://finance.google.com/finance?q=tm&hl=en)....that your company is on the verge of bankrupcy and is talking merger with GM to keep their heads above water... that you owe every ounce of lust for displacement to Rudolph Deisel (german) who designed the internal combustion engine. that VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles.... oh and thats BEOFRE ford bought them and ran their reliability into the ground.... that half of your engine management systems are made by nippon denso (toyota).... that your company makes the focus and as far as rice goes they're right up there with the the civic.


You know what really chaps my a$$ about some prick gloating about the financial troubles at Ford? It is our neighbors jobs that are being lost, and no one cares. There's no sense of community, of watching each others backs.

Back in 2000, Harbour Consulting released a study that's been quoted at one time or another by every news source in this country. This study rated North American auto factories in a number of categories and made other observations about the industry in general.

One of the most widely reported figures from the Harbour Report was that there is a $2400 profit gap between North American auto makers and their European and Asian peers. The reason is structural costs that they bear like health & life insurance, good pension plans, and family & retiree costs for the same. Since the state welfare frameworks in the foreign countries mentioned about are much more comprehensive, those companies spend about $2400 less per vehicle on these things.

And some f'ing weasel has the nerve to come onto a site like this and gloat about the financial difficulties of the big three?

Wouldn't you love to go to the engineers at Ford and say here's $2400 per car for you to improve the Stang and we won't even have to raise the price. If you've ever wondered why North American manufacturers have absolutely ceded the subcompact market to the Asian manufacturers this is why. $2K is just too big a disadvantage for a $10-14K automobile.

So, you ricers and import-biased pricks keep on buying your Hondas and Toyotas. Your neighbors jobs aren't really that important. They'll find other work, right? You demonstrate by your actions that your selfish desire be different is more important than their livelihoods. Saving a few hundred dollars in total cost of ownership just demonstrates your superior financial management skills, and is clearly far more important than some laid off neighbor.

All I'm really saying here is that I constrain my buying decisions to American brands and their subsidiaries. I live with those limitations because I see the larger context of my decisions. I believe that if the playing field was level American brands would deliver the same OR BETTER features and performance than foreign brands that benefit from the welfare costs that GM, Ford, and Chrysler pay, but Japan, Inc. and Euro manufacturers don't pay. And it PISSES ME OFF to have some pimple faced prick gloating about their financial troubles.

Sorry for the long post. I just had to get that off my chest.

American Companies are moving away..people who buy imports aren't giving away money to anything else, the US companies and GM are taking jobs away