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yeah well lets see here, once again simple physics. . . a v8 with more displacement will be able to withstand more horsepower than any v6 or I4. yeah i get what ur sayin about stock to stock, but the simple fact is that you need and A$$ load of boost to get 300+hp in an I4 where as most american muscle and sports cars are N.A and produce the same or more horsepower and if not extreemly detuned. oh and im not b_tchin Im justa layin out the cold hard truth so go back to hoda whatever forums and talk to your own kind we are kinda getting sick of your ranting so just . . .go, the fact that your getting offended by this is funny when you dont even fall under the catogory of "ricer" so i dont see why you get all upset, I have a V6 Mustang and yeah ive done the usual dual exhaust and cold air intake with a nice stereo but im not preaching that im beating GT and im not saying that you are because youve already said your not i got the cold air for the same reason you got your k&N filter sure i gained 10-12 hp but hell thats not much and i admit it. we are here because we love mustangs and not to argue with people about ricers.
Okay, I think we all need to calm down a bit. One of the great things about cars is that there are so many different types with different nuances, which is why there are so many different kinds of car fans as well. Besides, if one type of performance car was clearly superior to the others then all car enthusiasts would be driving the same car. But this isn't the case now is it?
Secondly, EvoVII - this thread was originally started to make fun of the stereotypical "boy racer" with a slow import econobox with wing, fart can, etc. The Evo's are fast and we know it, and do not fall into this category. Neither do the 3000GT's and Supras you mentioned earlier.
Another point that we were trying to get across is that if you have 2 engines that are turbocharged the bigger one will usually be faster. And you do have a point as well - factory turbo vs bigger factory NA has its pro's and cons. Notice how BMW offers 335i with twin turbo, as well as an M5 with a V10?
Sorry for the interruption. And now back to your regularly scheduled flamewar...
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Ok im not gonna BS here. I admit, for the most part, american muscle will beat imports in a straight away if the same amount of money is spent on each car. Im a hardcore import fan and i will gladly admit this. But any 14 year old with his learners liscence with his mom in the car next to him can go fast on a straight road. But try taking your boat sized muscle car around a corner, and you will have to half your speed or risk ending up in a ditch. Your muscle car will definately beat my MR2 (mid engine rear wheel) on a straight away, but try to challenge it on any road with turns, and its good game for the muscle car. "real men attack the corners"
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I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..
P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.
Dude your the doush bag got on a MUSTANG'S FORUM that is for like mustang owners or enthusist why are you even here?? Really yea ill give it to you, you did pick a great coice of an import if had a jap. car that is what it would be but that still doesent cange the fact that you came to a mustang forum and started talking smack we out number you. REMEMBER THAT!
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TSM Girl, i think we're on the same page or close to lol, but just look how much psi it takes to actually get that Buick fast. 35psi is insane.
I don't think we are on the same page. 35 psi is just getting started. Anyway the 8 sec stock block Buick I spoke of is only running a single 70mm turbo. There is plenty more potential there to go faster.
As far as road racing, a Buick T-type won the 1998 Silver State Classic Challenge road race unlimited class with a speed of 205mph.
I do not think you have ridden in a new Mustang, they handle very well and even better with a few minor changes.
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Ok im not gonna BS here. I admit, for the most part, american muscle will beat imports in a straight away if the same amount of money is spent on each car. Im a hardcore import fan and i will gladly admit this. But any 14 year old with his learners liscence with his mom in the car next to him can go fast on a straight road. But try taking your boat sized muscle car around a corner, and you will have to half your speed or risk ending up in a ditch. Your muscle car will definately beat my MR2 (mid engine rear wheel) on a straight away, but try to challenge it on any road with turns, and its good game for the muscle car. "real men attack the corners"
You'd do well to keep that argument confined to ppl who own older mustangs on stock suspension. Because I've already outcornered a guy in a non-STI WRX on a 2 lane curvy backroad. And thats on stock suspension. And then I'm about to do a wholesale upgrade on my suspension, so I'll gladly hang out at a roadcourse with the import guys. I'm not gonna blame you for making that boast, as I would have considered it valid up until the current generation of mustangs......but any import guy that thinks his stock suspension import can hand a new GT its ass in the twisties is gonna be doing the "OH SH*T! OH SH*T! OH SH*T!" rant over and over while trying to get the upper hand. JFYI
KTOWNGT your an idiot, seeing how Supra's can produce over 1300hp on a STOCK BLOCK and u obviously couldn't tell i was kidding around when i said the Pontiac Solstice. TSM Girl, i think we're on the same page or close to lol, but just look how much psi it takes to actually get that Buick fast. 35psi is insane. You all need to realize, except for about 3 of you, that if a car is stock, its stock no matter what it has on it. Some cars come with Supercharger's stock, but us import lovers dont b**ch and complain about it, and you shouldn't either if imports come with a turbocharger stock. Really think about it for a minute, and just realize, stock is stock, turbo stock, twin turbo stock, or supercharger stock.
NO sir, you are the ****ing idiot... How ****ing cash do you have to put into that there supra to get 1300 hp? Don't try and tell me it is any where close to 10k in mods. I have seen some that have about 30k in the engine alone and make about 1200 hp... How much PSI do you need to push through that engine block to achieve that amount of HP?
If you don't believe me, look up Supra's on Car.com or Autotrader... 70,000+ seems a little pricey for a 8 year old car that cost half that back when it was new...
How long will that stock Supra engine last if it was producing 1300 hp? Not to long...
KTOWNGT your FING stupid as it is and your bada$$ V8 POS wont last as long as even half the foreign cars on the market today. Honda Civic's still running with 300,000 miles on them, yea, can't have a mustang do that without having MAJOR PROBLEMS. I've seen Mustangs blow their engine with only a 100 shot of NOS so dont you dare even start to even consider that a Mustang is Better than a Supra or any of those cars. I could take a S13 and put an RB25DET in it and run 14's or 13's. I could upgrade to a bigger turbo and be running 11's. i could probably run 12's just by up the boost..and the pathetic thing is, you all say "Oh, well its got a turbo", but aren't the Mustang V8's Supercharged..hmm seems FAIR to me..your all a bunch of LOSERS!! hahahahahahahahaha
ps Everyone else who actually respects and understands my point of view, thanks. Everyone else, you need to start looking at some of the cars out there and sell ur POS Mustangs
You dudes are breaking the grand-daddy of all internet argument rules...............you're making blanket statements. Even in the face of those who would use such a tactic against you....it makes you look just as ignorant when you use it as a counter attack. Next time just counter with raw, objective facts guys.....and leave the emotion-based bickering out of your statements.
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but aren't the Mustang V8's Supercharged..hmm seems FAIR to me..your all a bunch of LOSERS!! hahahahahahahahaha
Only the new Shelby mustang is supercharged from the factory with 500hp, and runs 12's right out of the box. The standard GT mustang V8's are totally NA in stock form with 300hp, and runs 13's out of the box.
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ps Everyone else who actually respects and understands my point of view, thanks. Everyone else, you need to start looking at some of the cars out there and sell ur POS Mustangs
So what about those of us who understand your point..............do we need to sell our POS mustangs too?
And for what its worth, whatever ignorance you are encountering in this thread.............it's being met with your own. Let's all do ourselves a favor and stick to what we know.
I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for the Mustang and I almost bought a GT. I have owned 3 brand new Fords and I grew up around American muscle. My dad's daily driver today is a 1967 Fairlane.
Today I drive a 2006 Eclipse GT/MT. One of the things that impresses me about "Japanese" cars is their ability to put out more HP with their V6 models. The Mustang V6 is around 210hp compared to my Eclipse around 270 stock. The 350z is NA and are selling with 300hp. I put quotes around Japanese because my Eclipse was designed in the US (Cypress, CA) and was assembled at a UAW plant in Ill.
In my opinion in the under 30k sports car category the Japanese cars are putting out the same or close to power with their V6s as American V8s.
Of course HP isn't everything, those little Lotus cars with 180hp will smoke most cars out there.
I just want to say that I have a lot of respect for the Mustang and I almost bought a GT. I have owned 3 brand new Fords and I grew up around American muscle. My dad's daily driver today is a 1967 Fairlane.
Today I drive a 2006 Eclipse GT/MT. One of the things that impresses me about "Japanese" cars is their ability to put out more HP with their V6 models. The Mustang V6 is around 210hp compared to my Eclipse around 270 stock. The 350z is NA and are selling with 300hp. I put quotes around Japanese because my Eclipse was designed in the US (Cypress, CA) and was assembled at a UAW plant in Ill.
In my opinion in the under 30k sports car category the Japanese cars are putting out the same or close to power with their V6s as American V8s.
Of course HP isn't everything, those little Lotus cars with 180hp will smoke most cars out there.
that wasn't a stock 350z... They put out respectable HP amounts but they are very lacking in the torque department. The new 350 z I believe have 13 more horsepower to make it 300, but the torque suffered a ~10 lbs loss. Most 350z's are lucky to run 13's, but they are damn good in the twisties. The new V-8 is rated at 300 but puts out around 315.
I wouldn't compare the mustang V-8 if I had the choice, I would go for the LS1-LS2. 350-400 HP from factory and enough torque to break into 12's stock...
That was a stock 350z. I got it from a Ford enthusiast website that posts stock 1/4 mile times.
If HP is everything then how do you explain a 190hp Lotus Elise running 12.9 1/4 mile with 0-60 4.4? I really don't think that the Lotus is made to go straight either.
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Uhhh. . . yeah import and domestic quality is pretty much the same now adays, the imports actually had to catch up since they came to the states back in the day, my moms first car was a 79 civic and my dad had to get under that things damn hood every fkin weekend just to keep the pos running so dont tell me that imports are better just because the commmercials say they are. grow up and stop listening to the media. i bet your a liberal too. yeah my aunts f250 has 270,000 miles on it and still running strong so go do a little research before posting threads.
What the?.............are you guys arguing politics in here now? Jeez.....can't we AT LEAST keep the discussion on the performance of modern domestic and import autos?
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