This is in reply to ThisBlood147 and every other person in this thread, I agree with you wholly with your statement "While I agree that a lot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance." I also agree with "And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow." But you know what. Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow. Didn’t the very first post in this thread say “you're a ricer if.... you think Hyundai and performance go hand in hand?” I own an 03 Tiburon and you know what I’ve done to it. I’ve put in a K&N drop in filter. Why? Not because it gives me more power, because it will be the last filter I have to buy for the car. The other thing I did was get a single 15" woofer to go with the MB Quarts that are in the front, not because I listen to "Fifty Cent," But because if you have ever heard Bach or Dream Theater on such a setup you would think you were in a concert hall. And you know what, I don’t own a race car, but when I can take the turns between my house and work in the middle of winter in 4'' of snow over 35mph without having to buy snow tires, yea I think my car "performs well". Don’t you dare tell me American cars can’t be "riced". My neighbor has a 98 mustang that she had a body kit installed on. And recently she had the worst set of aftermarket low profile rims put on that I have ever seen. I know for a fact that the one she owns has the stock v6 and automatic setup it rolled off the assembly line with. So technically she qualifies as having "more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance" so doesn't that qualify as being "riced"? According to your definition it does. How about "you're a ricer if... You have a front wing" what exactly is the hollow section on the front of a Ford GT? im almost certain that's a front wing. And isn’t the fastest car as of right now the Enzo Ferrari? That certainly isn’t American. I also see plenty of early 90's Mitsubishi 3000GT vr-4’s running around. And you said "Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is." I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK4.6L v8 produces 300 HP. How about another statement from the original post that said "you're a ricer if.....Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R" do you know what V-Tec is. Its Variable Valve Timing and lift Electronic Control. First off V-Tec wasn't available until 1989. Second, your 5th generation GT has a 300 hp 4.6 L 3-valve V8 with variable valve timing which is an adapted version of the V-Tec that Honda has used for almost the last 2 generations. And how about fuel injection? One of the first commercial gasoline injection systems was a mechanical system developed by Bosch and introduced in 1955 on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. So technically what it comes down to is. By hating foreign cars you guys are bashing the very technology your cars have been designed after.
A few of the judgements you said were just plain retarded, I will try and answer them though.
You are praising the 3000GT and its 300 horse engine, but isn't that a Twin Turbo sixxxer that makes 300 hp and 307 lbs of torque? The 5th gen mustang GT's are rated at 300 but make around 315 horsepower and 320 lbs of torque... And they are Natural Aspirated and don't need a turbo to obtain.
The comment of owning a V-tec or Type-R was a joke about having a sticker there saying it was that, when it actually wasn't, learn to read and joke.
Yes, variable valve timing is a great thing, that is why American car makers adapted it, the reason why domestic owners make fun of V-tec is because the ricers think that helps there engine so much when ussually it activates right before the red line.
Your comment on your hyundai and performance, drop in filters add maybe a horse, ricers think they add 40 hp and cut .9 off the Quarter Mile.
The Enzo ferrari is definately an amazing car, it has a top speed of around 217 mph, which the new Saleen S7 is able to get to 250+ mph.
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A testament to its superb engineering, a racing only version of the S7, called the S7R, has won nearly 40 races around the world in the last few years and set a new track record at the 24 Hours of Le Mans.
< Message edited by KTownGT -- 10/17/2006 9:15:00 AM >
This is in reply to ThisBlood147 and every other person in this thread, I agree with you wholly with your statement "While I agree that a lot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance." I also agree with "And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow." But you know what. Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow.
And you said "Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is." I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.
YOu know, you ALMOST understood what I was trying to say. But like most ppl on internet forums, you only saw what you wanted to see. I NEVER said EVERY V8 comes off the factory floor with more hp than ANY I4 or V6. I said they have more performance POTENTIAL than any I4 or V6. You don't believe me? Take an I4 or V6 motor, and I'll take a V8.........we'll both take 10K and do a setup in the same kind of car. How much you wanna bet I outrun you? Its simple physics dude..........more cylinders means more power and more torque. If the opposite were true........we never would have evolved past 4 cylinder motors.
And with your first strike against me.....you stuck your head in your ass once again. "Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow." You wanna take a jab at others that are doing the import bashing...go ahead. But my very argument was that I don't believe in that. I stated......rather clearly I would believe, that the kind of guys that get ripped on as being ricers get ripped on primarily because of their "PUNK ATTITUDE." That, combined with numerous non-performance mods that they turn around and THINK makes them faster than a Corvette.....is why such guys get made fun of. Sure I know plenty of ppl around here that do only visual or audio mods. But they don't turn around and tell guys that are running nitrous and turbos that they can kick their ass. Anyone who does that, is a moron.
So you own an 03 Tibby. Pretty fly lookin cars IMO. I don't think that makes you a "ricer". But if you strolled up on the side of my 05 GT (which is supercharged) and began spouting off about how you could waste my American made POS with just half throttle................that would make you the kind of idiot that these guys like to call a "ricer". And for the record........in case you didn't hear me the SECOND time........you don't have to drive an import to be classified as a "ricer". There are plenty of guys driving American made cars these days the fit the loose definition just as well as an import driving guy.
I'll say it again, I only speak for myself. So if the thread starters joke-rantings get under your skin.........go after him. Don't come after me for making statements that were A) not a bash against imports and B) completely on the mark. Now go back to school and take an English Comprehension class........because obviously you need a refresher.
< Message edited by ThisBlood147 -- 10/17/2006 12:54:51 PM >
I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.
Again, you're making a foolhardy argument for yourself. I happen to agree that the 3000GT is an awesome car. Secondly, if you want to compare it ( a factory blown car) to a current production mustang.......well lets do that. Line it up against a GT500 (factory supercharged mustang). Both cars stock........oops, the 3000GT loses. I only make this statement to back up my motor-based performance quote. Motor for motor, a V8 (American, German, or Japanese made) has more performance potential than any I4 or V6. Can a turbocharged V6 outperform a stock 3V GT mustang? Maybe (that's a senario best posted and discussed in the Street/Strip section. This very topic has been discussed many times in there ). But you're not proving anything about that 3000GT's V6 by making that comparison.......because it came from the factory turbocharged. Yes, V6 motors are getting more powerful as technology improves. But that same technology applied to a V8 will counteract any advantages the V6's accrue.
But if you wish to continue comparing apples to oranges............feel free to post your rebuttal.
I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK4.6L v8 produces 300 HP.
Again, you're making a foolhardy argument for yourself. I happen to agree that the 3000GT is an awesome car. Secondly, if you want to compare it ( a factory blown car) to a current production mustang.......well lets do that. Line it up against a GT500 (factory supercharged mustang). Both cars stock........oops, the 3000GT loses. I only make this statement to back up my motor-based performance quote. Motor for motor, a V8 (American, German, or Japanese made) has more performance potential than any I4 or V6. Can a turbocharged V6 outperform a stock 3V GT mustang? Maybe (that's a senario best posted and discussed in the Street/Strip section. This very topic has been discussed many times in there ). But you're not proving anything about that 3000GT's V6 by making that comparison.......because it came from the factory turbocharged. Yes, V6 motors are getting more powerful as technology improves. But that same technology applied to a V8 will counteract any advantages the V6's accrue.
But if you wish to continue comparing apples to oranges............feel free to post your rebuttal.
Isn't Rygen Stormlocke running low 12's on his 2005 Sixxxer???
The 3000 GT VR4 is factory Twin Turboed, so, it takes a japanese made Sixxxer and a TT setup to get the same performance of a american V-8
turbo or not, the 3000GT comes off the line, STOCK, with 300hp. and the stock Sti's are running 13.4 on a H4 Stock block
STi's and 3000GT's would be awful if there were no F/I methods. Since you are comparing a N/A engine to a F/I, I guess I will use them too. We also don;'t need to run 30+ psi to do that
GT500(2007+) runs 12's stock, Evolution Performance has one into the low 10's right now with a few mods. Terminator Cobra(2003-2004) runs 12's bone stock.
Here are some N/A cars that are $10,000-30,000ish. LS1 maro's and T/A's can run 12's stock. LS2 GTO's and Charger SRT-8's can scratch into 12's stock and 11's with a few mods. There are people who have run 13.4 with the new mustang GT stock too. Add CAI+Tune you cut it down to 13 flat, add udps, cams, etc you can run 12's without much cash.
Give me a terminator and give yourself a 3000GT or a STi, give us both 1k to mod are cars at will and I guarantee I can blow your doors off. And don't mention twisties, The new mustangs handle extremely well stock and can be even better with a few hundred into suspension.
So anything else you want to bring up?
< Message edited by KTownGT -- 10/18/2006 10:59:39 PM >
Its like I said......they're always wanting to compare apples to oranges. Then again, the cars they're defending have fewer cylinders than the cars we're defending........so I guess they have no choice but to compare apples to oranges. He wants to compare a 300hp turbocharged V6 AWD to an NA 300hp RWD......go ahead and let'em. But if you even up the two cars (either rebuild the 3000GT without the turbo .....or slap a turbo on the Mustang and make it AWD), then you tell me what the outcome would be.
Meh, forget it. This is just not an argument that can be won. As I said before........ppl see these issues the way they "want" to see it. And we can't really say too much either considering the debate us FI mustang guys are always having with the bolt-on, cammed LSX guys.........its sort of the same argument: smaller displacement FI vs. larger displacement NA. That perspective hasn't failed me.
hey evo...... i def see where you're coming from. We all have our own opinions and evos will **** on a lot of stuff. This is a mustang forum andthats why we all talk **** about ricers. My friends have a bunch of nice ricers like an sti(he also has a 67 mustang gt in mint condition) and a cobalt ss(he sweats evos but cant afford insurance on one.) there's even a kid in my town with a 800hp integra. so how about not making an account on a mustang forum and go back to the evo forums
You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's. Stock to Stock drag racing, everyone signed up on this site knows that a stock V8 Camaro Z28 or SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette, excluding the Z06, couldn't beat a Subaru Impreza 22B STi in a drag race, and its ONLY a 4 CYLINDER. Yea, they may sound different, and dont have that ugly, gas guzzling sound as those V8's, but they're still quick.
God help us all - lol They are not as quick as Buick Grand Nationals!
< Message edited by TSM Girl -- 10/20/2006 11:32:16 AM >
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but hey isn't the Buick Grand National Turbocharged!?!?! lol hmmm..i'm not arguing to say that V8's are worse than I4 or anything, but you know you ALL have to admit, that MOST of the I4, H4, I6 are quick! You have an advantage of 4 extra cylinders, and the EvoVIII are only pushing probably not over 10psi stock as it is. Turbo or not, it's still stock! plain and simple. and whoever said $10,000 for each or w/e, i know that i could produce a faster car with $10,000 than you easily. and honestly, no stock engine, except the RB26DETT, can produce over 30psi+ on a stock block. That's insane as it is! So don't come preaching to me that u can make a faster car with $10,000, because when it comes to POWER/WEIGHT RATIO, we KILL YOU!!:P:):):):):):):):):) Have a nice day everyone and just think about both sides and not just one.
Mitsubishi 3000GT, Eclipse GSX, GST, Evolution III, IV, V, VI, VIII Subaru Impreza WRX 22B STi Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V-Spec II NuR, 240SX, Z32(aka 300ZX), Silvia S13, S14, S15 Honda Civic, Prelude, Del Sol, CRX Acura Integra, NSX Mazda RX7, RX8, CX-7, MX6, MX3, MX5 Toyota Supra, Celica, AE86 Tureno
but hey isn't the Buick Grand National Turbocharged!?!?! lol hmmm..i'm not arguing to say that V8's are worse than I4 or anything, but you know you ALL have to admit, that MOST of the I4, H4, I6 are quick! You have an advantage of 4 extra cylinders, and the EvoVIII are only pushing probably not over 10psi stock as it is. Turbo or not, it's still stock! plain and simple. and whoever said $10,000 for each or w/e, i know that i could produce a faster car with $10,000 than you easily. and honestly, no stock engine, except the RB26DETT, can produce over 30psi+ on a stock block. That's insane as it is! So don't come preaching to me that u can make a faster car with $10,000, because when it comes to POWER/WEIGHT RATIO, we KILL YOU!!:P:):):):):):):):):) Have a nice day everyone and just think about both sides and not just one.
Mitsubishi 3000GT, Eclipse GSX, GST, Evolution III, IV, V, VI, VIII Subaru Impreza WRX 22B STi Nissan Skyline GT-R R34 V-Spec II NuR, 240SX, Z32(aka 300ZX), Silvia S13, S14, S15 Honda Civic, Prelude, Del Sol, CRX Acura Integra, NSX Mazda RX7, RX8, CX-7, MX6, MX3, MX5 Toyota Supra, Celica, AE86 Tureno
Pontiac Solstice
I have a few ricer friends who say that same thing. Funny how you say it too.
You actually put a civic, prelude, Eclipse GSX/GST, Integra, CX-7, Celica on your list of good imports... No wonder people think you are a ricer. Ok, Ricers need tons of boost And/Or a big shot of Nitrous to even get good HP numbers. Look up any honda and, see how much PSI you have to have any respectable HP/Torque, they need at least a B16 and a Turbo running like 20 PSI... Also, why did you put a PONTIAC Solstice up on your list in big bold letters? Pontiac is owned by GM and last I remeber, GMC was a Domestic car company.
hmmm, ok... Lets have a competition, you have 4500 to spend on a car, and 10000 to spend in mods. I will take a Fox body mustang, and you can get... A civic or something.
I would kill you in drag and give you a huge run for your money and/or beat you in autocross, etc. Put 10 grand into a cobra you can probably produce, around 900 HP mark. Can't really say that for a supra.
Since you are into listing bunch of cars, all of them but a few are slow stock. I will give you a list too.
GM: Camaro 1967-2002 and about to be 2007+, same with Firebird, and Trans Am, and the vette, and the corair. Oldsmobile: Cutlass, etc Ford: T-Bird, 1965-2007+ stang, Ford GT, Lightning Dodge: Viper, Charger SRT-8, 300c SRT-8, Jeep SRT-8(yep a jeep), Ram 1500 SRT-10, Crossfire SRT-6, Challenger, etc. Cadilac: CTS-V, CTS, XLR, XLR-V, Mazda(owned by Ford) RX7, RX8, CX-7, MX6, MX3, MX5 Jaguar, Aston Martin which are all owned by Ford...
There are many others, I just put some cars up there off the top of my head.
Buick GN's factory Turbo V6's with intercoolers (86 - 87) anything before that are Hot Airs or no intercooler. Back when Buick started turbocharging cars from the factory, the only other companies offering factory turbo cars were Porshe and Saab.
Buick ran low 13s stock back in 87, where were the imports then?
8 seconds has been achieved with a stock buick 3.8 production block in a 3400# car @ more than 35 psi.
My TSM legal Buick is ten seconds capable with a total investment of $7000 (including the car) and it weighs 3600#. Imagine if I shaved 1000# or put another $3k into it.
My 07 Mustang GT gets 28mpg on the highway which is not bad for V8.
Not bad for a girl!
Ps... Don't get me wrong, I like Imports, that is why I have an Opel GT.
KTOWNGT your an idiot, seeing how Supra's can produce over 1300hp on a STOCK BLOCK and u obviously couldn't tell i was kidding around when i said the Pontiac Solstice. TSM Girl, i think we're on the same page or close to lol, but just look how much psi it takes to actually get that Buick fast. 35psi is insane. You all need to realize, except for about 3 of you, that if a car is stock, its stock no matter what it has on it. Some cars come with Supercharger's stock, but us import lovers dont b**ch and complain about it, and you shouldn't either if imports come with a turbocharger stock. Really think about it for a minute, and just realize, stock is stock, turbo stock, twin turbo stock, or supercharger stock.
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