You know, I just thought of something. When people in general see my mustang, they always say, "that's a good lookin' car", or "man that car looks great and sounds awesome". Then I think of what people would say, in general, when they see an Sti, or any of the other many imports that don't have a name. You ask them what they think of that car, pointing at the Sti, and they say, "it looks ok I guess, what is it"? I have never had that problem. The amazing thing is, nowhere on the outside of my car does it say "Mustang", but everyone already knows what it is. Sti could be the fastest car in the world, it could have a 1/4 mile time of 4.5 seconds, but if no one recognizes it, why would you want to drive it? So you go on a Mustang site and pester all the people who enjoy their vehicles? The Sti does have some good qualities, however, it starts at $32,999, or so says www.subaru.com. What does that mean? I bought my 300 hp Mustang Gt for right around $25,000. With that almost extra $8,000 pumped into my car, it would totally destroy the Sti for the same price. Whatever you add to the Sti, add to the Mustang, it will more than likely fly right by, and for the same price. These are not arguing words or bashing of the Sti in any way, just cold hard facts. That's why I bought the Mustang, because for the same money, there is no other car you can get the same performance, sound, looks, or just the feeling of this machine.
I feel like going and driving now.
- C
ps. Maybe my car might not get as good as gas mileage, depending on my foot that day of course, but I gurantee it gets many more looks and sounds like an angel ripping by with some American torque, things an Sti will never be able to do. At 40 mph, I look better than you do at 140. I'm done, nothing more really to say. Yes, you stand corrected, no more response from me, just happiness and love for my red machine.
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dont you have anything else to do than rip on faster cars that dont break down haha
Lol, if you get a great launch on a mustang, it isn't bad for it. Get a great launch on a STI or EVO and you will **** the car up faster than you can say imports suck.
I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..
P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.
ORIGINAL: EvoVII P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.
Best car to buy for the money?? YEAH RIGHT!! LOL I hate how Skylines look and sound.
If i ever won a skyline i would sell it instantly and buy another mustang. How much do those cost?
Anyone could also pick up a 2003 SVT Cobra for 23-25k. 390hp 390torque, 4.6L V8 supercharged. Swap the pulley for $100 and go from 380rwhp to 450+rwhp...I think I will take the amazing looks and power of the cobra ANY DAY!
You guys probably think your all big and bad and everything, ripping on 4 CYLINDERS. But the truth is, you can mod up a Honda Civic, Acura Integra, Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Evo, Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX, and so forth FAR MORE than you can your broke a$$ pony's. Stock to Stock drag racing, everyone signed up on this site knows that a stock V8 Camaro Z28 or SS, Mustang GT, and Corvette, excluding the Z06, couldn't beat a Subaru Impreza 22B STi in a drag race, and its ONLY a 4 CYLINDER. Yea, they may sound different, and dont have that ugly, gas guzzling sound as those V8's, but they're still quick.
You know, I'm not gonna rip on you like some ppl have.....because you have ignorance working against you. Everyone here, with half a brain, knows one can mod a Civic, Integra, etc. to be a fast car. But why, in the name of all that is holy, can you believe that a smaller displacement 4 cyc engine has more mod potential than an 8 cyc engine? You're not serious are you? Have you been doing Evo and Supra searches on Streetfire again? Ever notice that the really crazy fast imports you see on the web or on TV almost ALWAYS have sponsors? You know why? Because bringing those cars up to respectable race levels is not cheap. Now go and look up how many ppl have built up Mustangs and Camaros into 9 and 10 second cars with less than 9K.......total for car and mods.
Can an STI beat mustangs and f-bodies off the line in a drag race? Perhaps, if the driver's skills are up to par and the opponents aren't modded. But unless that 22B has some work done to it........it'll be all over for the Subby before the 1/4 mile marker. Sure, it hauls for a 4 cyc car.........but thats due to its turbo and AWD. Then consider that when something breaks on those cars (and believe me, when you start to impressively mod them......they WILL break something) it isn't cheap to fix. I've got some first hand experience with this....trust me. And as someone already said, STI's start at 33K.......some 6 to 8 grand more expensive than a new Mustang GT. So their point was that if you took 34K and bought a new STI, and then your friend took 34K and bought a new GT...........by the time he spent the leftover dough on mods to equal the value of the STI, he'd be waaaaaaay faster. And it'd be much cheaper to fix whatever breaks on the GT than on the Subby.
These are truly the rantings of some Gran Tourismo playing Japano-culture obsessive that has never been behind the wheel of a high torque V8 RWD car. Trust me, you'd change your tune real quick.....I've seen it happen before. I respect all fast cars........Evo's and STI's included. But your opinion, rather than being derived from personal preference, seems to be based off of "import-punk" folklore: A need by import obsessed youth to believe that all cars Japanese made are somehow superior performance-wise to all others.
P.S. I actually find it kinda funny that you choose to register just to respond to a topic making fun of the stereotypical "ricer".......which actually need not refer to all 4 or 6 cycl Japanese made cars. Makes me wonder if you have something to be defensive about.......considering that most "ricers" are defined more by their punk attitudes than their choice of rides.
ORIGINAL: ThisBlood147 You know, I'm not gonna rip on you like some ppl have.....because you have ignorance working against you. Everyone here, with half a brain, knows one can mod a Civic, Integra, etc. to be a fast car. But why, in the name of all that is holy, can you believe that a smaller displacement 4 cyc engine has more mod potential than an 8 cyc engine? You're not serious are you? Have you been doing Evo and Supra searches on Streetfire again? Ever notice that the really crazy fast imports you see on the web or on TV almost ALWAYS have sponsors? You know why? Because bringing those cars up to respectable race levels is not cheap. Now go and look up how many ppl have built up Mustangs and Camaros into 9 and 10 second cars with less than 9K.......total for car and mods.
Can an STI beat mustangs and f-bodies off the line in a drag race? Perhaps, if the driver's skills are up to par and the opponents aren't modded. But unless that 22B has some work done to it........it'll be all over for the Subby before the 1/4 mile marker. Sure, it hauls for a 4 cyc car.........but thats due to its turbo and AWD. Then consider that when something breaks on those cars (and believe me, when you start to impressively mod them......they WILL break something) it isn't cheap to fix. I've got some first hand experience with this....trust me. And as someone already said, STI's start at 33K.......some 6 to 8 grand more expensive than a new Mustang GT. So their point was that if you took 34K and bought a new STI, and then your friend took 34K and bought a new GT...........by the time he spent the leftover dough on mods to equal the value of the STI, he'd be waaaaaaay faster. And it'd be much cheaper to fix whatever breaks on the GT than on the Subby.
These are truly the rantings of some Gran Tourismo playing Japano-culture obsessive that has never been behind the wheel of a high torque V8 RWD car. Trust me, you'd change your tune real quick.....I've seen it happen before. I respect all fast cars........Evo's and STI's included. But your opinion, rather than being derived from personal preference, seems to be based off of "import-punk" folklore: A need by import obsessed youth to believe that all cars Japanese made are somehow superior performance-wise to all others.
P.S. I actually find it kinda funny that you choose to register just to respond to a topic making fun of the stereotypical "ricer".......which actually need not refer to all 4 or 6 cycl Japanese made cars. Makes me wonder if you have something to be defensive about.......considering that most "ricers" are defined more by their punk attitudes than their choice of rides.
I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..
P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.
Dump 8 grand into a 03-04 cobra, get a lot more than 500 hp... Dump 8 grand into a S197 GT(2005+) and get a hell of a lot more hp then a STi, or Evo.
When you burn out your clutch from dumping it in racing, remember, you bought an import.
I personally dont have problems with Mustangs, yea they're nice, but i would never buy one..but one thing i can't stand is when people rip on every foreign car, when everyone knows stock to stock that some foreign cars are faster than american cars..you said you put in $8,000.00 into your Mustang, but if i put in $8,000.00 into an STi, Evo, or a car of that sort, they can have over 500hp to 600hp easily, if not more! I personally think its good that no1 recognizes my car because then people will under estimate the power and potential and wont give it a second thought..
P.S. Best car to buy for the money its worth, Nissan Skyline GT-R R33. 302hp 271ft-lbs of torque. I-6 Twin Turbo AWD.
OK couple things, Your missing the point then you would have a car up in the $40,000 dollar range, he's talking about price for price, And 2nd, Ive raced a Impreza WRX STI at the drag strip, and my 99 Camaro was stock, and kicked hi ass and his was brand new at the time, Wait I had a KN air filter, 2nd I am now stationed in Europe, and have yet to find a car that 1 will race me, and 2 will beat me. And best bang for your buck if you want 1/4 mile is a Camaro Z28, or a Transam followed by a mustang and eagle talon YOU will always find that these car stock and for under 10k run low to mid 13's to high 13's to low 14-s stock so me a Asifor the most part theyan manufactured car that can claim that for the price and still be less than 10 years old. Oh and PS i like skylines too, but they are no match for my car. Im sure there are some over here that have a s%^t load more horse than my car that will beat me but I havent found them yet. But There is a guy with a modded EVO here on post and Ill race him for you and let you know the results. Z28 vs EVO in Italy fun fun. and over here IM THE IMPORT lol
oh such hatred in this thread. you guys enjoy hating imports. but it will not change the fact that all in all, imports as a whole have far outlasted any american car ever made... that your stock has reached an all time low in the market (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=F).... now look at Toyota(http://finance.google.com/finance?q=tm&hl=en)....that your company is on the verge of bankrupcy and is talking merger with GM to keep their heads above water... that you owe every ounce of lust for displacement to Rudolph Deisel (german) who designed the internal combustion engine. that VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles.... oh and thats BEOFRE ford bought them and ran their reliability into the ground.... that half of your engine management systems are made by nippon denso (toyota).... that your company makes the focus and as far as rice goes they're right up there with the the civic.
oh such hatred in this thread. you guys enjoy hating imports. but it will not change the fact that all in all, imports as a whole have far outlasted any american car ever made... that your stock has reached an all time low in the market (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=F).... now look at Toyota(http://finance.google.com/finance?q=tm&hl=en)....that your company is on the verge of bankrupcy and is talking merger with GM to keep their heads above water... that you owe every ounce of lust for displacement to Rudolph Deisel (german) who designed the internal combustion engine. that VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles.... oh and thats BEOFRE ford bought them and ran their reliability into the ground.... that half of your engine management systems are made by nippon denso (toyota).... that your company makes the focus and as far as rice goes they're right up there with the the civic.
Pretty typical. I think what the main argument here is performance....and what import car fans think they have over American pony/muscle/performance. And for your information, I happen to know a few ppl with 30+ year old Fords, Chevies, Dodges that are still running....and running in a performance capacity at that. Any car can, and will, last almost indefinitely if one takes the time to maintain it properly. But let's face it, 85% of the ppl on the roads in this country today don't want to fool around with maintaining their car.....they just want a packmule that will do what they ask, when they ask, and ask for nothing in return. Besides, how many ppl do you know hold onto a car for 500K+ miles? Most don't. Matter of fact, the ppl I know who buy Japanese autos exclusively tend to buy at a more frequent rate than the ppl I know who buy domestic brand autos. My neighbor, Mr. Toyota himself, hasn't owned a single car for more than 4 years as long as I've known him. The car(usually a Camry) hits 60K miles or 4 years old and its off to the dealership for a new one. And he has the nerve to bag on my 98 Mustang for being inferior. Funny, cuz my 98 still runs like the day I bought it. I guess he feels better about himself by comparing his 06 car with one nearly 10 years older than it. Such arguments are useless and purely subjective.
While I agree that alot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance. And while there isn't anything wrong with even this.....when such a young person steps up talking smack about how his Civic Si( with about 4K in sound equipment, paint job, and body kit) can beat up on a supercharged mustang/cobra or a cammed Z28......then you end up with guys like in here who love to rip on such import lovers.
Point is, don't harp on your car being something it isn't. You don't see me ripping on Civic guys about how my supercharged GT will make better mpg than them do you? Well its no different than when they come in here telling us that an I4 or V6 is a superior performance platform compared to a V8. Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is. I don't have a problem with ppl who are into imports. As I said, I can appreciate performance oriented Asian badges like the STI, EVO, and Skyline. And I give respect not only to those cars but any import that is built to perform, and performs well. But the fact is, that there are alot of ignorant punks out there who are doing a great disservice to their import-based hobby by making completely false and baseless claims. And for those guys, I feel no simpathy when someone in an American badged V8 rips on them.
And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow. You want to talk about such things, fine. Go to Autoblog . com or something. But here, we are performance enthusiasts. Most of us seldom leave much of the factory equipment under our hoods anyway.
oh such hatred in this thread. you guys enjoy hating imports. but it will not change the fact that all in all, imports as a whole have far outlasted any american car ever made... that your stock has reached an all time low in the market (http://finance.google.com/finance?q=F).... now look at Toyota(http://finance.google.com/finance?q=tm&hl=en)....that your company is on the verge of bankrupcy and is talking merger with GM to keep their heads above water... that you owe every ounce of lust for displacement to Rudolph Deisel (german) who designed the internal combustion engine. that VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles.... oh and thats BEOFRE ford bought them and ran their reliability into the ground.... that half of your engine management systems are made by nippon denso (toyota).... that your company makes the focus and as far as rice goes they're right up there with the the civic.
Pretty typical. I think what the main argument here is performance....and what import car fans think they have over American pony/muscle/performance. And for your information, I happen to know a few ppl with 30+ year old Fords, Chevies, Dodges that are still running....and running in a performance capacity at that. Any car can, and will, last almost indefinitely if one takes the time to maintain it properly. But let's face it, 85% of the ppl on the roads in this country today don't want to fool around with maintaining their car.....they just want a packmule that will do what they ask, when they ask, and ask for nothing in return. Besides, how many ppl do you know hold onto a car for 500K+ miles? Most don't. Matter of fact, the ppl I know who buy Japanese autos exclusively tend to buy at a more frequent rate than the ppl I know who buy domestic brand autos. My neighbor, Mr. Toyota himself, hasn't owned a single car for more than 4 years as long as I've known him. The car(usually a Camry) hits 60K miles or 4 years old and its off to the dealership for a new one. And he has the nerve to bag on my 98 Mustang for being inferior. Funny, cuz my 98 still runs like the day I bought it. I guess he feels better about himself by comparing his 06 car with one nearly 10 years older than it. Such arguments are useless and purely subjective.
While I agree that alot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance. And while there isn't anything wrong with even this.....when such a young person steps up talking smack about how his Civic Si( with about 4K in sound equipment, paint job, and body kit) can beat up on a supercharged mustang/cobra or a cammed Z28......then you end up with guys like in here who love to rip on such import lovers.
Point is, don't harp on your car being something it isn't. You don't see me ripping on Civic guys about how my supercharged GT will make better mpg than them do you? Well its no different than when they come in here telling us that an I4 or V6 is a superior performance platform compared to a V8. Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is. I don't have a problem with ppl who are into imports. As I said, I can appreciate performance oriented Asian badges like the STI, EVO, and Skyline. And I give respect not only to those cars but any import that is built to perform, and performs well. But the fact is, that there are alot of ignorant punks out there who are doing a great disservice to their import-based hobby by making completely false and baseless claims. And for those guys, I feel no simpathy when someone in an American badged V8 rips on them.
And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow. You want to talk about such things, fine. Go to Autoblog . com or something. But here, we are performance enthusiasts. Most of us seldom leave much of the factory equipment under our hoods anyway.
Theres a guy in the 2005+ section who has his chevelle that he bought like 40 years ago and I believe he had something like 675,000 miles on it.
Theres a guy in the 2005+ section who has his chevelle that he bought like 40 years ago and I believe he had something like 675,000 miles on it.
Oh, I believe it. Most of the guys I know that own old late 60's, early 70's muscle rides still have them........and they are still running strong. One guy I used to work with had a 69 Z28. He was, and still is, the original owner. It was still on the stock 302 motor, and had close to 500K miles on it. Of course, he's done a bit of refurbishing over the years. But the car has survived almost 40 years of track runs. It'd probably be close to the million mile mark if it had remained a daily driver for the last 20 years. And I've already heard of at least one old 67-69 mustang (don't remember exactly the year) that superceded the million mile mark.....so I don't know what all that "VOLVO ownes the record for the only car to make it over 1 million miles" crap is about. Oh well.
You can boast about all the 200K+ mileage Civics and Camry's there are out there....but no one is gonna be that impressed with a car that does little but go 55mph to work and the grocery store and back. Get those cars on a strip or roadcourse and wring them out for all their worth every other weekend for 20+ years and see how well that Japanese engineering has held up. My cousin's 256K mileage 94 Accord doesn't impress me one bit. The interior is rotting out, it runs like crap.......and looks even worse than crap. Is it still runnin the roads? Yea. But I'd hardly consider it the benchmark for Japanese automotive superiority.
I guess in the end we all like what we like. And no amount of opinions, statistics, or facts will change that. I guess we can all just agree to disagree.
ok ok I got to say this i hate all the ricers in their white 98 honda civics with decals for parts they don't even have waiting at a red light, that can't afford a paint job with a body kit about an inch from the floor, listening to 50 cent records with the bass so f**king strong it looks like the doors are going to fall off. Then they take off about 15 mph with the car sounding like its about to die cuz there is no power, and those stupid annoying mufflers that sounds no more intimidating than an rc car. I mean the best is when like they try and get girls they got their seat back, hats sideways, short hair cuts, and goatees. But the best and always will be the best is when they come up next to u at a light put the car in park and rev the car and ask u to race.
This is in reply to ThisBlood147 and every other person in this thread, I agree with you wholly with your statement "While I agree that a lot of domestic guys rip anything Japanese made as "rice"......most of the reasonable ppl around here only use the term when referring to punk guys who have more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance." I also agree with "And BTW, going after the financial status of certain American automakers to back up your point is just a low blow." But you know what. Classifying people based on the kind of car they drive is a low blow. Didn’t the very first post in this thread say “you're a ricer if.... you think Hyundai and performance go hand in hand?” I own an 03 Tiburon and you know what I’ve done to it. I’ve put in a K&N drop in filter. Why? Not because it gives me more power, because it will be the last filter I have to buy for the car. The other thing I did was get a single 15" woofer to go with the MB Quarts that are in the front, not because I listen to "Fifty Cent," But because if you have ever heard Bach or Dream Theater on such a setup you would think you were in a concert hall. And you know what, I don’t own a race car, but when I can take the turns between my house and work in the middle of winter in 4'' of snow over 35mph without having to buy snow tires, yea I think my car "performs well". Don’t you dare tell me American cars can’t be "riced". My neighbor has a 98 mustang that she had a body kit installed on. And recently she had the worst set of aftermarket low profile rims put on that I have ever seen. I know for a fact that the one she owns has the stock v6 and automatic setup it rolled off the assembly line with. So technically she qualifies as having "more money invested in their exterior and sound system than in performance" so doesn't that qualify as being "riced"? According to your definition it does. How about "you're a ricer if... You have a front wing" what exactly is the hollow section on the front of a Ford GT? im almost certain that's a front wing. And isn’t the fastest car as of right now the Enzo Ferrari? That certainly isn’t American. I also see plenty of early 90's Mitsubishi 3000GT vr-4’s running around. And you said "Japanese made or not, no 4 or 6 cyl auto has the performance potential of a V8. That's just the way it is." I guarantee you that STOCK that car will beat most STOCK v8 mustangs in currant production. Imagine that, not only is it foreign, but STOCK it’s a 3.0L v-6 capable of producing 300HP at 6000 rpm and 307 ft/lb or Torque at 2500 rpm. Gee your current 5th generation mustang's STOCK4.6L v8 produces 300 HP. How about another statement from the original post that said "you're a ricer if.....Every Honda you EVER owned, all the way back to your 1978 Accord was either a V-Tec or a TYPE-R" do you know what V-Tec is. Its Variable Valve Timing and lift Electronic Control. First off V-Tec wasn't available until 1989. Second, your 5th generation GT has a 300 hp 4.6 L 3-valve V8 with variable valve timing which is an adapted version of the V-Tec that Honda has used for almost the last 2 generations. And how about fuel injection? One of the first commercial gasoline injection systems was a mechanical system developed by Bosch and introduced in 1955 on the Mercedes-Benz 300SL. So technically what it comes down to is. By hating foreign cars you guys are bashing the very technology your cars have been designed after.
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