RE: Take it from a guy who knows
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 1:13:53 AM
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Refire05GT
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Uhm no, I didn't mean tricking myself about the throttle-lag, that I know I don't have anymore, I meant about the slight performance increase as well. Presumably a tune will cure cancer as well one day.
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 9:52:02 AM
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Royb - I hate to burst your bubble buddy, but performing a kam reset WILL in fact clear adaptave fuel strategies, shift strategies, emissions monitor status and codes on ANY Ford PCM. Spanish oak, black oak, PTEC, 106 pin, 150 pin, whatever. If you would like me to cut and paste the actual text from a PCED or shop manual, I will gladly do so. If someone told you this they are mistaken. If it did not work when you tried it, you may not have left the cables off long enough. Sometimes the capacitors will not discharge unless you touch the + and - leads together. I know with 100% certainty this is correct.
Ford Christ.....lol..... Nice to know you hold me so high. I don't know if I should laugh or be offended but getting angry on the internet is useless as an ashtray on a motorcycle.
Not all dealers are the know all be all of cars. Some are more than trustworthy, others are not. The filter thing is right but wrong. Any decent filter will remove break-in material but the 3 valve needs a check ball in the filter or you may have some noise in the a.m. as the system builds pressure.
I do not own a modular mustang, hence my lack of participation in their tech forums. Ironically, I know much more about them than the 5.0 but have little experience modifying them. I don't take advice from Joe Blow. I "babysit" professionals for a living so forgive me if I draw my own conclusions on what is a good or bad idea. I am in this section of the forum to help YOU out. I feel sorry for you schmucks that don't understand what you get yourselves into in regards to warranty coverage and mod consequences. I don't like seeing fellow gearhead mustang fans believe everything their speed shop or horsepower tv tells them. If you don't like my advice - Don't take it. But you better have some damn good proof if you want to discount me. I am not here to have a pissing contest. Ill leave that to the meatheads in the import forums.
I have not tried to sell you any dealer service or parts. I have not implied that the mustang is the best or worst car in the world. One day after a kid bought a $6000 engine over his "tune", I felt a little sorry for guys like him and decided to give you some information about your car that NOBODY at your dealer would be willing to disclose. Hell, you may all learn what I am saying better if I just leave you to your ways. Funny how the only people who have a problem with what I say can't provide a logical reason for disbelief.....
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 10:56:36 AM
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Hey shaners,
Hoping you may have some helpful inside info for me. I'm having ongoing rear end issues, which I describe in detail in this thread: http://www.mustangforums.com/m_2020118/tm.htm
Long story short, they'r replacing the whole rear end - diff, axles, bearings, etc. So, my question is: Is the rear end on these cars problematic in general? If so, has Ford attempted to fix the issues? I'm wondering if the new rear I'll recieve will be any different in design than the old one.
Any "inside"info/knowledge you may have regarding gears/rear end issues would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 11:04:08 AM
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Royb - I hate to burst your bubble buddy, but performing a kam reset WILL in fact clear adaptave fuel strategies, shift strategies, emissions monitor status and codes on ANY Ford PCM. Spanish oak, black oak, PTEC, 106 pin, 150 pin, whatever. If you would like me to cut and paste the actual text from a PCED or shop manual, I will gladly do so. If someone told you this they are mistaken. If it did not work when you tried it, you may not have left the cables off long enough. Sometimes the capacitors will not discharge unless you touch the + and - leads together. I know with 100% certainty this is correct.
Ford Christ.....lol..... Nice to know you hold me so high. I don't know if I should laugh or be offended but getting angry on the internet is useless as an ashtray on a motorcycle.
Not all dealers are the know all be all of cars. Some are more than trustworthy, others are not. The filter thing is right but wrong. Any decent filter will remove break-in material but the 3 valve needs a check ball in the filter or you may have some noise in the a.m. as the system builds pressure.
I do not own a modular mustang, hence my lack of participation in their tech forums. Ironically, I know much more about them than the 5.0 but have little experience modifying them. I don't take advice from Joe Blow. I "babysit" professionals for a living so forgive me if I draw my own conclusions on what is a good or bad idea. I am in this section of the forum to help YOU out. I feel sorry for you schmucks that don't understand what you get yourselves into in regards to warranty coverage and mod consequences. I don't like seeing fellow gearhead mustang fans believe everything their speed shop or horsepower tv tells them. If you don't like my advice - Don't take it. But you better have some damn good proof if you want to discount me. I am not here to have a pissing contest. Ill leave that to the meatheads in the import forums.
I have not tried to sell you any dealer service or parts. I have not implied that the mustang is the best or worst car in the world. One day after a kid bought a $6000 engine over his "tune", I felt a little sorry for guys like him and decided to give you some information about your car that NOBODY at your dealer would be willing to disclose. Hell, you may all learn what I am saying better if I just leave you to your ways. Funny how the only people who have a problem with what I say can't provide a logical reason for disbelief.....
I sincerely hope you're not referring to me. I have never doubted your experience and have said several times now that you are GOOD for this site and will be able to help a lot of people out.
The 'Ford Christ' comment was not directed at the way you represent yourself, but on the reactions of many of those you were giving some advice to, so yea, you should have got a chuckle out of that one...lol
I have been around this website for a long time and you need to understand that this site is a 'fan site'...period. You are honestly wasting your time here if your intentions are to give out technical advice. Thus my invitation to come over to a 'real' tech site. Not all, but many people here will start an argument with you if you claim their car has 4 tires. I come here to BS around and every once and awhile and make a descent post now and then, but for the most part it's just for fun and entertainment.
Saying 'see how your comments fare' was not implying you will be called out as a liar. What I meant by it is that you would find your comments over there would open up an actual technical dialogue where intelligent responses and considerations are being given. It is a place where you will not be considered the 'ford christ' and will definitely learn a thing or two as well in the process. The members of that site have taken the S197's farther than anywhere else you will find. Almost every major builder & tuner is not just there to make a post about a sale now and then, they are posting and regular active members and giving and receiving information. It's christmas everyday if you are into modding.
Bottom line is all of your comments were pretty much corrrect but easily addressed issues and well known facts. Anyone who knows anything knows you will need a retune with a CAI. If you actually want to be give real advice and learn something yourself in the process, then again, I extend an invitation to check it out yourself and see how your comments fare...
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 11:13:21 AM
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Royb
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You wrote: "
Royb - I hate to burst your bubble buddy, but performing a kam reset WILL in fact clear adaptave fuel strategies, shift strategies, emissions monitor status and codes on ANY Ford PCM. Spanish oak, black oak, PTEC, 106 pin, 150 pin, whatever. If you would like me to cut and paste the actual text from a PCED or shop manual, I will gladly do so. If someone told you this they are mistaken. If it did not work when you tried it, you may not have left the cables off long enough. Sometimes the capacitors will not discharge unless you touch the + and - leads together. I know with 100% certainty this is correct."
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I say again not true that a battery disconnect will reset adaptive on the S197 the shop manual is wrong. you can confim this by datalog after you try the battery disconnect you will see the LTFT didnt change. I have left a battery out for 2 days no change to adaptive. BTY I'm a tuner on the S197 - cut & paste all you like - I live it by doing
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 11:19:09 AM
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Keep you username so I can say hi...
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 1:16:22 PM
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WAY Off the original topic .... and I never read anything after the first post untill the very last posts because I saw this thing was getting alot of replys and I couldnt resist.
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Thanks to mustang forums!! Whenver I'm feeling down I can always count on coming here to brighten my spirits and make me laugh...
A. If you need someone to tell you when to change your oil, you shouldn't own a mustang IMO
I go to both sites and like both sites.
The other site has more technical info no denying that (Especially on internals and FI), but it has plenty of junk also. Right now there are 2 threads on the first page about when to change your oil. Both sites have good posts and bad posts.
Mustang forums defiantly has more ridiculous posts than the other site but more than anything I think that comes from having more people on the board and a broader appeal. Alot of people are more concerned about wheels and stripes than more power. There are plenty of tech posts on any of the common boltons here and while that might not be tech compared to a complete rebuild, it defiantly has value to alot of people.
That said I understand completely why you do not like seeing 5000 stripe threads and 1000 I raced a "blank" threads. I get tired of weeding through alot of it also.
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 1:39:50 PM
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First of all - there is only one thread about oil and it is specifically asking how long should you break in your motor before switching to the synthetic as it has been established for years by top builders that it is not wise to break in a motor with synthetic oil. It has to do with seating and it's not related to this topic so I won't go into it right now. If there was a BS thread about oil, it would be moved almost immediately. You are also wrong about more people on the board. At any given time, there are more people on that S197 GT forum than the S197 GT forum here and there are forums for BS'n around and talking junk, it's just moderated well and where it is supposed to be. (in what we call the 'bar' over there)
Second - I specifically said I'm not being the heckler of this site. I have been a member of this site for longer than most and I have always said as a fan and appearance site, it is a good site. I agree many people are interested in stripes and other related info and I'm the first to say this site is the absolute best place to be for that infomation and opinions.
Where I disagree is that there is even good bolt-on perfomance info here. Yes, sometimes a good post gets through, but A LOT of misinformation is given here and not corrected because many do not know better to challenge it.
I'm certainly not telling people to not come to this site. If anyone is thinking I mean that - you are wrong. My personal opinion and advice is to use this site and enjoy it for what it's worth and give options for other avenues when you need accurate technical information.
The horror stories that even you have lead people to believe that the 'other' site is only hard core tech info is wrong. People on that site are not only the most knowledgeable, but the most friendly, down to earth, and helpful people around. It is more of a 'family' atmosphere over there so no one should feel like they 'don't know enough' to make posts because it's just not true. Every single one of us started somewhere in our love of cars and most of us realize it and respect that and have no problems helping a newcomer along. I don't have to defend or say anything, the truth of the matter is the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. Just visit there for a bit and find out for yourself what it's all about...
It is not a war of 'what site is better' - that's childish. It's a matter of giving accurate info on where to go for what when you want to learn something. Both sites have a use IMO...
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 1:55:26 PM
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I am by no means trying to start a which is better argument. I just wanted to point out they both have positives. Like I said I like both. As for as the number of people you could be right, I have no idea. I was baseing it on the number of posts on the 2005+ and the classic section I never go anywhere else here.
The main reason I posted anything is I do not want to see the tech that is on this site diminish more. I just want to point out that there is good info here as well and I would hate to see more tech minded people leave simply because this site is being trashed for its tech. I personnaly dont see it as a choice that has to be made. I read both I ask questions on both and actually most of the time the responses are very similar.
Just dont want anymore people leaveing like you or Kevin.
And there was 2 threads about oil. They might not be on the 1st page anymore.
http://www.******.com/forums/2005-mustang/synthetic-oil-change-period-10k-miles-ok-66067.html
http://www.******.com/forums/2005-mustang/how-long-did-you-wait-to-use-synthetic-oil-66096.html
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 2:07:01 PM
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I respect you and understand your point Riven but both of those posts were worthy of being left in the main section considered tech info IMO. Both sites show the number of people in a partucluar forum and I was pointing out that in the S197 GT forums, there is always more over there so your point about the number of people is what I was addressing. It's not about numbers, it's about better moderation and staying topic specific.
The sad truth is this place is not a good place for technical information outside of waranty issues and that's just the way it is IMO. The people who are tech savvy have left and do drop in from time to time like I do but aren't regular members anymore. To try and save the serious tech talk here is a waste of your time IMO and many have tried it over the last 2 years with no success or were banned for even trying.
I understand your reasoning for defending the site. Hopefully readers will understand our conversation and realize that this is NOT a bad site and it's good to be a member here. It's just that there are other avenues that are available for certain information and I feel it is more than fair and not wrong to let people know about it.
Prime example - I can post a thread there with a link to a thread here no problem. As you just found out in your post, you cannot do that here. In fact, you cannot even type the name of that site here. Why would you want to stop people from getting information from anywhere? You can't say it's a competitive thing because the other S197 sites allow you to do it - just not this one. I know why - it's because most who check that site out become members there. But what the admins of this site fail to realize is that most of the 'good members' actually frequent both sites and they are not in any danger of losing members. It is a childish and stupid way to act IMO. So what if there might be better tech info there? Doesn't mean you shouldn't be a member here to. That is what really confuses me. I do not want people to leave this site - I simply want people to have access to the many avenues of information that are available to us. In the end, we are all (well most of us..lol) onthe internet to learn and share our love and passion for our cars and maybe make a couple friends along the way.
Thanks for the dialogue and I hope to have more with you in the future...
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/8/2006 5:47:26 PM
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IF YOU WANT TO LEARN CLICK HERE
hahaha...your link has been 
Don't you know they have a filter here against that site...LOL
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/9/2006 9:37:11 AM
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Royb - Its useless to have a "yes it does; no it doesn't" argument anytime, let alone via some internet forum. Weird stuff does happen and I have seem PCMs that just don't know how to build fuel tables, set erroneous codes, won't clear emissions monitors and so forth. So you once had a battery out for 2 weeks and the long trims didn't change....... Did they start at 0? Did your Baro reset to 149hz? Did it set at P1000 afterward? I don't want to try and explain some one-off case you had in the past. The technicians I help send me a survey back that has a knowledge and courtesy rating (them for me) as well as a place for them to reply with what they found. For years I have done this first hand without a problem and every day I recommend this to techs (we do NOT recommend the WDS/IDS is used to clear kam because the calibrators mess with the program too often and it will sometimes not work properly. Battery disconnect is the sure-fire way to do it). The techs never bitch about kam not resetting. Just to assume you are correct (youre not), perhaps you could explain why there is a power supply fed to the PCM at all times called the Keep Alive Memory power? Why would this be there if the fuel adaptations were burned into the PROM?
I really don't know what to tell you. I really want to post your last reply on ford's PTS website and read the responses from actual techs. I don't want to start a fire, but they would have a field day with your comments. You are one-of-a-kind my friend, the only one of your kind that believes what you do. My entire office (150 of the best Ford techs in the country) is laughing at your response, and I know that sounds like I am making fun of you, but seriously, that takes the cake for the most ridiculous thing we have heard in at least a few weeks!
Where exactly do you tune mustangs? How long have you done it? How often do you have comebacks?
Short of video taping myself do this, I don't know how else to prove it to you.. Matter of fact, I will do so, post it on streetfire.net and shoot you a link of the vid. I want you to choose EXACTLY what kind of mustang to use (that way there is no argument with the results). Please pick a year and engine, trans, ANY variable you want and let me know. I should be able to find just about anything at a local dealer. I am dead serious too, no exxageration. Just name it.
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/9/2006 9:49:07 AM
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Well now - - - My work kept me out of here for a few days - and look what you did while the Mod was away!
I am asking myself - "WHY are you leaving this thread up?"
Well - - despite the constant bickering from just a FEW of you - - there was / is some good information in here.. And I personally found the bickering interesting and funny – in fact, the more serious you tried to word your post, the funnier it became!
However - - this thread is NOT in a tech section - it is in the general section so your going to get more general responses... Such is Life... Live with it.
Sometimes, reading this stuff I am thinking I am in a bar with a bunch of drunk jocks who "think" they know everything about football because they played in High School and are arguing about the Professional teams and how the coach runs the team.
GET it together guys - - there is discussion – which we want – then there is arguing, which we do NOT want!
Do NOT disrespect another member in here!
Do NOT disrespect another vender in here!
Do NOT disrespect another forum in here!
Next - - to those of you promoting other web sites and soliciting people to join... There are sites that are not sponsors here – and some that have conflict with MF, and THAT IS NOT ALLOWED! Personally – I don’t give a crap, but it is a directive from the administration of this board. Those of you doing it KNOW it is against the rules - So stop right now before I have to slap your hands and ground you to your room for a week.
We have been there and done that in the S197 sections and the end result was NOT very favorable. In fact, all you are doing is proving to the Way-Nayers that us S197 guys are a bunch of unstable flakes who don’t follow the rules and don’t give a crap about them. I for one don’t like people thinking that of me, just because I drive an 05’ and hang in here!
Having said all of that – I know return you to your regular scheduled topic - - although you guys took things so far into left field I have no idea anymore what the original topic was!
Happy MFing...
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/9/2006 12:27:18 PM
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PW - thanks for keeping the thread open. If you look back on the thread, it's only in the last 2-3 pages where some posters started getting argumentative, and it's only a few people. Most have reacted positively. I appreciate you not punishing the many for the actions of a few.
I think shaners90lxhatch point of view is helpful because it represents, at least partially, Ford's view, whether you agree with or not. That's not info we're usually privy to. I own a Ford, he works for Ford, thus I'm interested in what he has to say. Seems like a no brainer to me.
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RE: Take it from a guy who knows - 11/9/2006 2:30:12 PM
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RichMod - - - I'm cool with that!
I fully understand "no-brainers"... I have no brain so it is easy!
Oil... were supposed to change the oil? ? ? ? ?
LOL - - - I keep Mobil 1 in mine... every 5 k. + a Mobil 1 filter.
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