You get mad because some people disagree with your statements and you act like you know everything and just because you work for Ford we should all take your word for gospel. Sorry I don't put that much faith in anyone.
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ORIGINAL: shaners90lxhatch Note the word PREVENTION in my comment, and not repair. Replace them on your own accord. Just removal and cleaning them is just as affective. You seem to be the only person that does not understand that.
Yes but if preventative maintenance costs more and results in more time without your car than the repair then where are the benefits?
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ORIGINAL: shaners90lxhatch Oh, the cleaner. Yes it works. Hell, we make a chemical for it right? But that is meant for DIRT. NOT another companies filter oil buddy. If it works, well aren't you lucky.
Yes it works great and is a well known solution to a common problem but not well known enough. You are telling people that if they run a K&N and the MAF wire gets oil on it then it should be replaced when it can be cleaned. The oil that filters use can be removed from the wire with electronics cleaner it works very well for that it's not just for dirt. When you say "we make a chemical for it right?" do you mean Ford makes a chemical for it? Even if they have a private label electronics cleaner they don't make it, it's the same stuff that can be bought in any parts store.
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ORIGINAL: shaners90lxhatch LMFAO, Of course you would love to remove the heads! Can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST? I would love heroin addicts If i ran a methadone clinic because that would be called business, or job security! YOUR comments are full of rhetoric and in hindsight don't even deserve a response....
Haha... this coming from the person that works for Ford reccomending you take your car to a Ford dealership to replace the plugs every 15k miles, if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is. So will removing the plugs and cleaning them work as you originally stated or is that not effective as you later stated? You contradict yourself but don't try to explain things when someone questions what you say. You get mad and get even further away from the discussion.
Did I specifically say to have the dealer do it? No because you would pay for that repair. Do it yourself if you can, I thought I made that clear. Ford makes electronic cleaner but it is not made for filter oil. That would be an unpercieved benefit if it does. I said that it can and likely will. Not, it definately will. You are begging the question. This is called rhetoric and is (in conjunction with the tone of your comments) an indication of ignorance to but it bluntly. NO, I did not just call you ignorant. I said that your comments make you seem that way. See how literal interpretation of words can keep things from being more complicated than they have to be? I don't understand why you insist on attacking my comments when it is clear to 99% of the people out there that I am only trying to help YOU out?
I think I will take some advice from some of the wiser on this thread and just leave it be.. I have explained my comments enough. Thanks to all for the good reception!
I do my first oil change at 2,000 miles then again at 5,000, then every 5,000 after that. That's under normal conditions. If you drive in extreme conditions, do it more often.
Tire rotations (to incl balancing) I do at 5,000 miles, again at 10,000 miles and every 10,000 miles after that.
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Ok I am not taking sides and i do not mean to point a finger at Shaner but this is the exact type of attitude regarding Mods that has dealerships voiding warranties. It is based on lack of knowledge of the Mods themselves. You folks think that anything other than stock form is bad and that type of attitude needs to change. Ford should not VOID a warranty for someone running a CAI with a Tune the Tunes are done within specs and do not put the engines at risk, if they did they would not sell the way they have for years and the word would soon get out that they were bad and the performance industry would be out of business. This type of attitude has to be changed. I appreciate the advise you are giving and I myself am a firm believer in not letting plugs stay in the car for 100k I have seen to many heads having to be removed to get them out. But you seem to be very close minded when it comes to mods and most of the dealerships are this way as well and it is simply ignorance and a failure to try and educate themselves on the topic.
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I completely understand how I may seem to oppose mods in all aspects. I, in some ways am a hypocrite because my Mustang is modified in MANY ways. The difference is how my mustang is controlled by the computer, and the utter lack of warrantable items (its a '90). I am not saying that every aftermarket tune is inferor to stock, unreliable, dangerous or anything like that. I think that owners of new mustangs should prevent PCM modification until the vehicle is out of warranty because it will likely create more problems than it will resolve (from a serviceability standpoint). Your vehicle is likely to be down longer, the repairs more intrusive (and expensive should the modification be attributable to the failure), and if the dealer knows you modified the PCM, they are likely to try to find other systems that are modified (like suspension and driveline).
Lets say you sell donuts. Some guys comes and buys your donuts and then eats them with a steak for breakfast. He then gets deathly ill from food poisoning and says it is because of your donuts. He may be correct, but the burden of proof is on his shoulders. He could have undercooked the steak for christ's sake! Same with the manufacturer. I can't take responsibility for a leaned out engine when you have tampered with the component that controls every aspect of that engine including fuel. Granted not everyone with that controller may not have burnt up a motor but I provided a warranty against defects on an engine that operates exactly the way I designed it to. Once it operates outside of that norm, anything could happen. Who knows, maybe it was someone's first day at the chip plant. Maybe that pcm calibration is a one-off lemon of a program. If my PCM did that, or if the new guy screwed up my PCM the manufacturer would gladly pay for it. Why should I have to pay for a failure that is arguably the product of someone else's shortcomings? If that were the case, you could argue that broken components from jumping railroad tracks were the maker's responsibility. After all, suspension is there to absorb bumps. So I took the "bump" at 100mph. Does that mean the suspension is junk? No, it means that you are responsible for damage that occurs as the result of operating the vehicle out of the intended use.
Sorry for the long delay in response, but my home PC has a virus and I have not had time to fix it.
Well I for one took some of what you said initially, with regards to NOT driving the car like a Grandma. What got me thinking about it was the amount of throttle-lag that I seemed to have after I stomped on the accelarator. I analyzed and reevaluated my driving habits, and concluded that I had in fact been driving it like that (I have an auto), so I decided to start trying to drive more aggressively, getting the engine used to stretching its legs so to speak, and specifically with how I gave the car gas inputs. After about a week, I had noticed a significant decrease in the amount of throttle-lag I had, and after about two weeks my throttle-lag was almost non-existant, and I have also noticed what appears to be a more responsive engine, it seems peppier. Am I just tricking myself into believing that?
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No, you are not mistaken. Sensitivity may have something to do with the amount of percieved benefit, but there is definately some thinking going on each time you hit the gas. Your trans will adapt to your driving habits as well. I get customers say that their vehicle will shift hard only on Monday mornings. At first glance, their claim would appear to be bogus, but in reality it is 100% accurate. The thing is that they gave the car to their kid over the weekend and he beat the crap out of it. It learns to shift hard 1-2 becuase the kid is always heavy on the throttle. When they get in on Monday and just lightly accel, the 1-2 hits hard expecting another leadfooted driver and customer gets pissed. By the time it arrives at the dealer, the trans relearned the shift points and concern is no longer present. Lovely huh? As interesting as technology may be, I prefer a cable driven manual trans. Less bells and whistles = less strange stuff going on.
Thanks to mustang forums!! Whenver I'm feeling down I can always count on coming here to brighten my spirits and make me laugh...
A. If you need someone to tell you when to change your oil, you shouldn't own a mustang IMO B. So glad the second coming of the ford christ has happened here C. If you are concerned with your warranty, I 100% agree with everything the ford christ said D. If you are concerned with warranty, you shouldn't have bought a Ford IMO and you CERTAINLY shouldn't be looking into modding it! E. I wouldn't let any ford dealership mechanics even change my oil F. If you want to give technical advice regarding tuning an S197, might be a good idea to own one IMO G. If I even have to tell you to take everything you hear with a grain of salt and investigate it through other avenues and opinions, then you deserve to have your car break...
I honestly believe you work with ford dealerships and know what you are talking about regarding stock S197's and TSB's. You probably have some good dealership advice and are good for this site. Come on over to the real technical S197 site and see how your comments fare with people who actually know something about these cars... I think you chose your site carefully to make your comments...
ORIGINAL: fordfanboy Come on over to the real technical S197 site and see how your comments fare with people who actually know something about these cars... I think you chose your site carefully to make your comments...
w. w. w. i s h o u l d n t p i s s o f f t h e m o d e r a t o r s . c o m (had to space it to show here)
If you are an idiot or want to talk about what stripes to get or what exhaust sounds best, please don't bother cause you'll get no play over there...
If you want to actually learn something about S197's and talk with the big boys who actually build the cars you read about, then welcome aboard!! Almost every major shop is a member and posts there. (No - I'm not one of the 'big boys' - I go there to learn)
Again, appearance and waranty nuts need not take a look - it's not for you.
Thanks for all the insight. been a master tech since mid 70,s this guy is right on.take his info and go foward he,s telling you more than he has to! My guess he could hold his own on any forum on automotive repair . Remember he,s not telling you all ??? He also know this tech car inside out. Having him here could help 99percent of the people on this forum with their mustang problems. He gets paid well for what he knows what he does here is pro bono this guy cares about mustangers . If you go to a dealer you will not even talk to this person.
you wrote " A KAM reset (disconnecting the battery for about 20 min) will reset any adaptive fuel stratagies learned but will require some drive time to reset and adapt to the changes."
this is not how the spanish oak works on the s197. the adaptive instruction is burned in a prom chip. The only way to erase it is in the program. set adaptive value to zero turns it off and on a restart it will be cleared and off. the adaptive is the short term fuel trims over time.
To JOHNNY - if you actually read my post - I 100% believe he is who he says and he is 'great for this site'
My point was not for those who are into stock performance and warranties. Many on this site are and it's great as a mustang 'FAN' site but when you want to actually mod your mustang, this is not the place to learn about it and that's just simple fact.
The fact he works for dealers should only be impressive to those who plan on having their cars modded at dealerships. I honeslty can't think for the life of me of anyone who has done serious motor mods at a dealership??
I'm not trying to be the heckler of this site, but let's be honest and call it was it is - a 'fan' site and appearance mod forum...period. Nothing wrong with that if that's what you're into but it pains me sometimes to see people attempting to get mod advice here and crediting people with mod advice who don't even own an S197 or have modded one in any way.
If you're looking for stripes or exhaust sound great, just don't believe everything you hear on this site if you want to know about internals, FI, and performance mods. That's all...
wow dont even know where to start on this stuff...
Best piece of advice I can EVER give anyone...is NEVER TRUST A WORD YOUR DEALER TELLS YOU!!!
They are IDIOTS...(almost) all of them...
I once had a FORD MASTER MECHANIC tell me that I HAD to use motorcraft filters in my car because they are...and I will quote here:
"SPECIALLY DESIGNED TO FILTER OUT THE ALUMINUM PARTICULATES THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY AND EXCLUSIVELY SHED BY THE CYLINDER WALLS IN THE 3V 4.6L MUSTANG ENGINE. OTHER FILTERS CANNOT PROVIDE THAT SAME PROTECTION" ...to anyone with half a brain that is just the dumbest thing i've ever heard..
Like fordfan said...the dealer won't even change my oil...
It's clear this kid "shaners" may have good intentions...but he's clearly Ford DEALER indoctrinated!! ...I just can't go on about everything...gettin' a little too thick for me!
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... After about a week, I had noticed a significant decrease in the amount of throttle-lag I had, and after about two weeks my throttle-lag was almost non-existant, and I have also noticed what appears to be a more responsive engine, it seems peppier. Am I just tricking myself into believing that?
You are tricking yourself into believing that. Like it or not - unfortunately - the stock vehicle has throttle lag. I have an 07; I only drive it hard; and I have paid close attention to it - and yes, it is there and it does not go away. [Idle run-down is another issue.] I have not gotten a tune yet and presumably that will take care of it.
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