Engine should have been a 400+ ci, overhead cam, all aluminum, 500hp motor that weighed hardly any more than the 4.6. And the only reason I say overhead cam is because that is what ford likes, I prefer pushrod motors.
So you think Ford should have completely developed a brand new engine for this car? Yet, you think it's still too exspensive?
Cars still have to get more than 10 miles per gallon. Sure, perhaps Ford could have dug around in the magic toy box and played with a 351 or something, but it's not what they've been doing.----EDIT: i might have misunderstood,, you say it still should have been modular? or they should have made it pushrod?
A lot of what youve said should have happened wouldnt have made a very sound car. Too much stuff just thrown together. Unless we had to wait for it to be an '09 model or something.
450 HP out of ANY car is sweet. 450 HP in a Mustang, that's insanely awesome.
If people are that big 'anti-GT500', why bother discussing it. Go get your Terminator, or whatever you want and have fun.
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ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT if youre dropping 50K on that car, 3500 is nothing for you...
i would disagree...now if you're spending 150K+ i'd agree. imo most corvette owners do well but are not "wealthy"
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how many middle class family guys go out and buy a showroom new C6.... maybe 3????and they probalby wont be family men for long either...
a c6 vette is certainly a middle class family guys vehicle....and the car of choice for those going through a mid life crisis (2 of my brothers friends for sure). i remember reading that our own C6 VETTE is a city bus driver...which is great but i would say that falls in the blue collar job description
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BTW, the corvette comparason is bogus. Not only does GM loose money on EVERY vette it sells (alot) but its not even close to the same price range. MSRP of what, 40K vs 50K+ (if you get any options on the vette).
Everyone compares the vette and says, why can't anyone else offer the same value per dollar? GM IS LOOSING MONEY ON IT!!!! At least ford is not literally sending 3 to 5 thousand dollars per mustang out the door.
GM is now losing money on the best selling Corvette ever?
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You don't lose over $3 billion dollars in one quarter by making money on the cars you sell.
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General Motors reported a net loss of $3.18 billion for the second quarter even though revenue rose by 12% to $54.4 billion, up from $48.47 billion. This compares to a loss of $987 million in the year-earlier period.
However, if costs related to GM's ongoing restructuring — including a $3.7 billion after-tax charge related to buyouts and early retirements — are subtracted the company would have posted an adjusted profit of $1.2 billion.
Still, GM isn't profiting from making cars for its home market. In North America, excluding special items, GM lost $85 million, a $1.1 billion improvement over the second quarter of 2005. GM's vehicle sales are down about 12% in 2006 through the end of June compared with a year ago.
I think a lot of you are missing the point on why ALL 3 US manufacturers are losing money. It's not about research and development, and it's not about how they price their vehicles. What many of you don't understand is the UAW contract that was put into place so many years ago. When any of the big 3 lay someone off, that employee gets something like 90% of their salary. They also keep their health benefits, and their pension plans. Don't blame the auto manufacturers. Blame the unions for making this country so expensive to live in. Which is way the average jerkoff has to pay $27,000 for a G6. A car that...Let's face it, 10 years ago was called a Grand Am, and cost $17,000.
You don't lose over $3 billion dollars in one quarter by making money on the cars you sell.
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General Motors reported a net loss of $3.18 billion for the second quarter even though revenue rose by 12% to $54.4 billion, up from $48.47 billion. This compares to a loss of $987 million in the year-earlier period.
However, if costs related to GM's ongoing restructuring — including a $3.7 billion after-tax charge related to buyouts and early retirements — are subtracted the company would have posted an adjusted profit of $1.2 billion.
Still, GM isn't profiting from making cars for its home market. In North America, excluding special items, GM lost $85 million, a $1.1 billion improvement over the second quarter of 2005. GM's vehicle sales are down about 12% in 2006 through the end of June compared with a year ago.
I think a lot of you are missing the point on why ALL 3 US manufacturers are losing money. It's not about research and development, and it's not about how they price their vehicles. What many of you don't understand is the UAW contract that was put into place so many years ago. When any of the big 3 lay someone off, that employee gets something like 90% of their salary. They also keep their health benefits, and their pension plans. Don't blame the auto manufacturers. Blame the unions for making this country so expensive to live in. Which is way the average jerkoff has to pay $27,000 for a G6. A car that...Let's face it, 10 years ago was called a Grand Am, and cost $17,000.
ORIGINAL: Sidewayz6.0 Don't blame the auto manufacturers. Blame the unions for making this country so expensive to live in. Which is way the average jerkoff has to pay $27,000 for a G6. A car that...Let's face it, 10 years ago was called a Grand Am, and cost $17,000.
I agree completly. I can't remember where I read it but I thought I read that 7K out of every car GM sells goes to pay the benefits/pensions of its retired employees.
ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT if youre dropping 50K on that car, 3500 is nothing for you...
i would disagree...now if you're spending 150K+ i'd agree. imo most corvette owners do well but are not "wealthy"
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how many middle class family guys go out and buy a showroom new C6.... maybe 3????and they probalby wont be family men for long either...
a c6 vette is certainly a middle class family guys vehicle....and the car of choice for those going through a mid life crisis (2 of my brothers friends for sure). i remember reading that our own C6 VETTE is a city bus driver...which is great but i would say that falls in the blue collar job description
+1 A strip down base C6 starts at $44K. Trade in a car thats worth about $10K and your financing $34K plus tax and licensing which would be about $650-$700 per month for six years with a good rate. Definatly not out of reach for a middleclass family. The only problem is most middleclass families will dump that kind of car note on a car that benefits everyone in the family such as a nice SUV or a upscale sedan.
The highest a base C6 goes for with full interior options,premium paint, chrome wheels,and Z51 will be about $58K not including taxes. Mine is minus the Z51 and crome. I got polished aluminum wheels and base suspention and mine came to $55K not including taxes.
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ORIGINAL: 72MachOne99GT if youre dropping 50K on that car, 3500 is nothing for you...
i would disagree...now if you're spending 150K+ i'd agree. imo most corvette owners do well but are not "wealthy"
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how many middle class family guys go out and buy a showroom new C6.... maybe 3????and they probalby wont be family men for long either...
a c6 vette is certainly a middle class family guys vehicle....and the car of choice for those going through a mid life crisis (2 of my brothers friends for sure). i remember reading that our own C6 VETTE is a city bus driver...which is great but i would say that falls in the blue collar job description
+1 A strip down base C6 starts at $44K. Trade in a car thats worth about $10K and your financing $34K plus tax and licensing which would be about $650-$700 per month for six years with a good rate. Definatly not out of reach for a middleclass family. The only problem is most middleclass familys will dump that kind of car note that benefits everone in the family such as a nice SUV or a upscale sedan.
A base $44k Corvette is a fictional creature where I come from. No dealer orders them without any options. The cheapest one you will find will be equipped to be around $50k.
+1 A strip down base C6 starts at $44K. Trade in a car thats worth about $10K and your financing $34K plus tax and licensing which would be about $650-$700 per month for six years with a good rate. Definatly not out of reach for a middleclass family. The only problem is most middleclass familys will dump that kind of car note that benefits everone in the family such as a nice SUV or a upscale sedan.
whoawhoawhoawhoawhoawhoa.... hang on there man...
lets pretend for one second, you could get a brand new corvette at 34K after trade in..
what the fcuk kind of middle class family has 650 dollars to spend A MONTH!!!!! on a freaking 'luxury car' (as in, not a necessity)......
i dont know what the heck your definition of 'middle class' is,, but that is a freaking boatload of money,,,that's actually A LOT higher than I would have guessed.. and i mean A LOT higher
that is more than MANY families pay for their mortgage...
my family is by no means rich, but we are not at all poor.. and there is no way in hell i could even fathom our family affording 650-700 dollars a month on a car.. that is insane
please, if anyone else agrees with me here please chime in
im actually shocked you can consider that within the means of a majority of middle class people
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You don't lose over $3 billion dollars in one quarter by making money on the cars you sell.
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General Motors reported a net loss of $3.18 billion for the second quarter even though revenue rose by 12% to $54.4 billion, up from $48.47 billion. This compares to a loss of $987 million in the year-earlier period.
However, if costs related to GM's ongoing restructuring — including a $3.7 billion after-tax charge related to buyouts and early retirements — are subtracted the company would have posted an adjusted profit of $1.2 billion.
Still, GM isn't profiting from making cars for its home market. In North America, excluding special items, GM lost $85 million, a $1.1 billion improvement over the second quarter of 2005. GM's vehicle sales are down about 12% in 2006 through the end of June compared with a year ago.
I think a lot of you are missing the point on why ALL 3 US manufacturers are losing money. It's not about research and development, and it's not about how they price their vehicles. What many of you don't understand is the UAW contract that was put into place so many years ago. When any of the big 3 lay someone off, that employee gets something like 90% of their salary. They also keep their health benefits, and their pension plans. Don't blame the auto manufacturers. Blame the unions for making this country so expensive to live in. Which is way the average jerkoff has to pay $27,000 for a G6. A car that...Let's face it, 10 years ago was called a Grand Am, and cost $17,000.
Still doesn't change the fact that most of our domestic offerings fall short of the competition. Dodge and Chrysler wouldn't of had such a good car in the Charger/Magnum/300 if it weren't for Mercedes. They probably would have been left with a really nice engine and a crap platform.
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If you walk in to a dealer and buy one off the lot then yes your right. But there are some ppl that will order a Corvette whether through a dealer or online in strip down fashion.
A base vette will still have leather seats, power windows,decent stereo, aluminum alloy wheels,etc.. I have the memory package(never use it), FOB indicater display(not important),heated seats(never use them),Navigation(you can buy a map), auto dimming mirriors (just flip it down), upgraded seats with better lumbar support (still nowhere as good as the Euros), polished aluminum wheels(you cant see them when your driving...lol), Onstar (I have triple AAA), side impact airbags(well since Vettes are made of plastic I doubt airbags will save you)......................Heads Up Display NOW thats a keeper.
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If you walk in to a dealer and buy one off the lot then yes your right. But there are some ppl that will order a Corvette whether through a dealer or online in strip down fashion.
A base vette will still have leather seats, power windows,decent stereo, aluminum alloy wheels,etc.. I have the memory package(never use it), FOB indicater display(not important),heated seats(never use them),Navigation(you can buy a map), auto dimming mirriors (just flip it down), upgraded seats with better lumbar support (still nowhere as good as the Euros), polished aluminum wheels(you cant see them when your driving...lol), Onstar (I have triple AAA), side impact airbags(well since Vettes are made of plastic I doubt airbags will save you)......................Heads Up Display NOW thats a keeper.
+1 LOL Good post. My Vette has so much useless crap I don't know where to start. But since our interiors are not quite up to par with others, we must be paying for the performance value. So if you look at it that way, we are still getting a great deal.
If you walk in to a dealer and buy one off the lot then yes your right. But there are some ppl that will order a Corvette whether through a dealer or online in strip down fashion.
A base vette will still have leather seats, power windows,decent stereo, aluminum alloy wheels,etc.. I have the memory package(never use it), FOB indicater display(not important),heated seats(never use them),Navigation(you can buy a map), auto dimming mirriors (just flip it down), upgraded seats with better lumbar support (still nowhere as good as the Euros), polished aluminum wheels(you cant see them when your driving...lol), Onstar (I have triple AAA), side impact airbags(well since Vettes are made of plastic I doubt airbags will save you)......................Heads Up Display NOW thats a keeper.
+1 LOL Good post. My Vette has so much useless crap I don't know where to start. But since our interiors are not quite up to par with others, we must be paying for the performance value. So if you look at it that way, we are still getting a great deal.
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If you walk in to a dealer and buy one off the lot then yes your right. But there are some ppl that will order a Corvette whether through a dealer or online in strip down fashion.
A base vette will still have leather seats, power windows,decent stereo, aluminum alloy wheels,etc.. I have the memory package(never use it), FOB indicater display(not important),heated seats(never use them),Navigation(you can buy a map), auto dimming mirriors (just flip it down), upgraded seats with better lumbar support (still nowhere as good as the Euros), polished aluminum wheels(you cant see them when your driving...lol), Onstar (I have triple AAA), side impact airbags(well since Vettes are made of plastic I doubt airbags will save you)......................Heads Up Display NOW thats a keeper.
LOL!
Just think how much lighter our cars would be if we didn't put half the crap we put in them. Hell if they took the money they used to make cars safer and instead put it towards making people learn how to actually drive we would be safer and cars could be lighter because all the crap could be removed.
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If you walk in to a dealer and buy one off the lot then yes your right. But there are some ppl that will order a Corvette whether through a dealer or online in strip down fashion.
A base vette will still have leather seats, power windows,decent stereo, aluminum alloy wheels,etc.. I have the memory package(never use it), FOB indicater display(not important),heated seats(never use them),Navigation(you can buy a map), auto dimming mirriors (just flip it down), upgraded seats with better lumbar support (still nowhere as good as the Euros), polished aluminum wheels(you cant see them when your driving...lol), Onstar (I have triple AAA), side impact airbags(well since Vettes are made of plastic I doubt airbags will save you)......................Heads Up Display NOW thats a keeper.
LOL!
Just think how much lighter our cars would be if we didn't put half the crap we put in them. Hell if they took the money they used to make cars safer and instead put it towards making people learn how to actually drive we would be safer and cars could be lighter because all the crap could be removed.
I can definately see you having a big wig position with a company that manufactures and insures automobiles with your ideas.........lol
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If you walk in to a dealer and buy one off the lot then yes your right. But there are some ppl that will order a Corvette whether through a dealer or online in strip down fashion.
A base vette will still have leather seats, power windows,decent stereo, aluminum alloy wheels,etc.. I have the memory package(never use it), FOB indicater display(not important),heated seats(never use them),Navigation(you can buy a map), auto dimming mirriors (just flip it down), upgraded seats with better lumbar support (still nowhere as good as the Euros), polished aluminum wheels(you cant see them when your driving...lol), Onstar (I have triple AAA), side impact airbags(well since Vettes are made of plastic I doubt airbags will save you)......................Heads Up Display NOW thats a keeper.
LOL!
Just think how much lighter our cars would be if we didn't put half the crap we put in them. Hell if they took the money they used to make cars safer and instead put it towards making people learn how to actually drive we would be safer and cars could be lighter because all the crap could be removed.
I can definately see you having a big wig position with a company that manufactures and insures automobiles with your ideas.........lol
LOL! Funny thing is the work I do deals with lots and lots of litigation. LOL! I'm just waiting for that foam stuff that will fill the interior of the car like in Demolition Man.
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You don't lose over $3 billion dollars in one quarter by making money on the cars you sell.
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General Motors reported a net loss of $3.18 billion for the second quarter even though revenue rose by 12% to $54.4 billion, up from $48.47 billion. This compares to a loss of $987 million in the year-earlier period.
However, if costs related to GM's ongoing restructuring — including a $3.7 billion after-tax charge related to buyouts and early retirements — are subtracted the company would have posted an adjusted profit of $1.2 billion.
Still, GM isn't profiting from making cars for its home market. In North America, excluding special items, GM lost $85 million, a $1.1 billion improvement over the second quarter of 2005. GM's vehicle sales are down about 12% in 2006 through the end of June compared with a year ago.
I think a lot of you are missing the point on why ALL 3 US manufacturers are losing money. It's not about research and development, and it's not about how they price their vehicles. What many of you don't understand is the UAW contract that was put into place so many years ago. When any of the big 3 lay someone off, that employee gets something like 90% of their salary. They also keep their health benefits, and their pension plans. Don't blame the auto manufacturers. Blame the unions for making this country so expensive to live in. Which is way the average jerkoff has to pay $27,000 for a G6. A car that...Let's face it, 10 years ago was called a Grand Am, and cost $17,000.
Do people actually buy those?
lol yes they do..my cousin chose a g6 gtp over a mustang gt...however, those gtp's are quick mothers for a v6, they kill our v6 stangs
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+1 A strip down base C6 starts at $44K. Trade in a car thats worth about $10K and your financing $34K plus tax and licensing which would be about $650-$700 per month for six years with a good rate. Definatly not out of reach for a middleclass family. The only problem is most middleclass familys will dump that kind of car note that benefits everone in the family such as a nice SUV or a upscale sedan.
whoawhoawhoawhoawhoawhoa.... hang on there man...
lets pretend for one second, you could get a brand new corvette at 34K after trade in..
what the fcuk kind of middle class family has 650 dollars to spend A MONTH!!!!! on a freaking 'luxury car' (as in, not a necessity)......
i dont know what the heck your definition of 'middle class' is,, but that is a freaking boatload of money,,,that's actually A LOT higher than I would have guessed.. and i mean A LOT higher
that is more than MANY families pay for their mortgage...
my family is by no means rich, but we are not at all poor.. and there is no way in hell i could even fathom our family affording 650-700 dollars a month on a car.. that is insane
please, if anyone else agrees with me here please chime in
im actually shocked you can consider that within the means of a majority of middle class people
I think that depends on where you live. I've had $600/mo car payments, and I am by no means wealthy.
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. i remember reading that our own C6 VETTE is a city bus driver...which is great but i would say that falls in the blue collar job description 
