the short comings of the cleveland was fixed with the modified block, unfortunatly, the M was released in 1974 so it was killed by the smog crap and never had the chance to show what it really could do. If Ford or someone else developed an intake that worked with the 4V heads....I have seen a 1978 LTD (boat) run 140 at El Mirage with a M...
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I'd like to see a big displacement, alloy block 3 or 4V. The current 281 cu in. is efficient and responds well to mods. Just imagine if it was a 427 cu in motor.
One thing to realize about Ford's 4.6 is that it accepts boost better than an LS1. Boost in a 3v 4.6, per lb, gives you a higher % hp gain than boosting an LS1.
I'd like to see a big displacement, alloy block 3 or 4V. The current 281 cu in. is efficient and responds well to mods. Just imagine if it was a 427 cu in motor.
the design will not allow it to be punched out that far. my complaint with the 4.6 is that it is as large (externaly) and weighs as much as a 427 and requires 4 cams and a supercharger to make as much power as a engine designed in the 50's....( first FE, 1958, first 427, 1963)
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Birdieman4 is right. the 4.6 does really well with FI, but does anyone know/remember the 427 SOHC. Take that motor and place it beside a 4v 4.6...definitely kin.
Redass, please don't rain on our parade. Who knows, maybe ford will get it right eventually...they have before and it's hard to argue that the mustang nameplate isn't doing really, really well.
I'd like to see a big displacement, alloy block 3 or 4V. The current 281 cu in. is efficient and responds well to mods. Just imagine if it was a 427 cu in motor.
the design will not allow it to be punched out that far. my complaint with the 4.6 is that it is as large (externaly) and weighs as much as a 427 and requires 4 cams and a supercharger to make as much power as a engine designed in the 50's....( first FE, 1958, first 427, 1963)
oh, i know. it would involve a re-design/casting. Just suggesting the basic design is pretty good and is fairly fuel efficient. I do beleive that GM's technology...forget what it's called...involves running on less cyls when cruising...is something Ford should learn from. Go back to higher displacement rather than the small displacement for economy mindset.
the SOHC made 600hp, and had a 6 foot timing chain. It went from drawing board to running in 90 days and was the first engine to break 150mph in the quater mile. NASCAR outlawed it very quickly, Ford was going to produce 500 Galexie's with them in 1966. My dad saw a convertible with the SOHC at Riverside in a display booth....just think of what could have been
I had a 400 in a ranchero, it would spin the wheels with a 2.48 gear....
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Dodge uses the Multiple Displacement System....I think that GM is still afraid of it after what happened when they did it with Caddy in the early 80's
yea, I remember the early 80's disaster, but I understand they are producing it once again with good results. I didn't know Dodge was using it. MDS...maybe I'll call it Multi Dis...sounds more appropriate.
Yea. I see after some research. I guess it took a Benz company to get it right. Anyway. it looks like GM calls it Displacement on Demand and is using it more. As far as I can see, Ford has done nothing with this technology.
Yea. I see after some research. I guess it took a Benz company to get it right. Anyway. it looks like GM calls it Displacement on Demand and is using it more. As far as I can see, Ford has done nothing with this technology.
considering how good Ford's traction control is...I think that not having that system is a good thing....
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Yea. I see after some research. I guess it took a Benz company to get it right. Anyway. it looks like GM calls it Displacement on Demand and is using it more. As far as I can see, Ford has done nothing with this technology.
considering how good Ford's traction control is...I think that not having that system is a good thing....
Well, Fords traction control has it's place, but it's definitely not effective for high performance on dry pavement with a good driver. It's turned off on my cars 100% of the time, but i understand it works kinda ok on the 07 Shelby for a nimrod driver.
No one outside of top management GM is going to be able to guess with any remote accuracy whether or not the Corvette makes money for GM. There are so many intangibles to consider such as common cost allocations and market value of the Corvette name, that even the insiders at GM would be hard pressed to determine this. Even if they could, they would NEVER make it public knowledge.
My gut feel, is that they do loose money on each unit because of the research time and bang for buck value of the automobile (yes, best in the world), combined with low production. However, the Corvette is Chevrolet's flagship, and the recognition is worth the small cost.
No one outside of top management GM is going to be able to guess with any remote accuracy whether or not the Corvette makes money for GM. There are so many intangibles to consider such as common cost allocations and market value of the Corvette name, that even the insiders at GM would be hard pressed to determine this. Even if they could, they would NEVER make it public knowledge.
My gut feel, is that they do loose money on each unit because of the research time and bang for buck value of the automobile (yes, best in the world), combined with low production. However, the Corvette is Chevrolet's flagship, and the recognition is worth the small cost.
that and they used the technology and platform to make a new Caddy...so the cost went down!
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ORIGINAL: steele901 man, no body buys a cobra to because it handles well. people buy a cobra to beat some ass in the straight line.
Best quote ever
And I wonder why Ford is doing so bad financialy. Even GM realized that they had to start getting the Corvette to match up to the likes of Porsche, Mercedes and BMW in order for people to stay interested. I'm not saying the GT500 is a horrible car. It's just not what I would want and most people agree it could be much better. It's a pig and there is no denying that.
Hey Stanman. Car and Driver like the new Mustang so much it made their top 10 list and they loved the 03 Cobra. The Vette and the Magnum/Charger/300 have also gotten rave reviews so don't tell me they don't like any decent cars. All you have to do is look at the sales figures and the money the imports are making to see why they don't like many of our domestic offerings.
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what'd 2000 say, something like 3500 on EACH corvette??
you siad that was TOTAL loss , divided by total number of cars sold righ?? so this is hypethetical, correct me if i interpreted wrong on teh ALL cars lost, so they divided part..
anyways, ****... forgot my points.. anyone else ever do that...
okay, anywyas,, lets pretned that GM actually loses money on a corvette, i think someone said 3500 dollars ish??
my reasonong, though simple and maybe incorrect is this: if GM lost 3500 dollars on it,, they would raise the sticker price on EVER corvette on teh showroom by 3500 dollars,... and i will not believe for one second that a BRAND NEW corvette buyer would not pay that extra 3500+tax.. no way, if youre dropping 50K on that car, 3500 is nothing for you...
how many middle class family guys go out and buy a showroom new C6.... maybe 3????and they probalby wont be family men for long either...
find me some literate 2000 im waiting
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what'd 2000 say, something like 3500 on EACH corvette??
you siad that was TOTAL loss , divided by total number of cars sold righ?? so this is hypethetical, correct me if i interpreted wrong on teh ALL cars lost, so they divided part..
anyways, ****... forgot my points.. anyone else ever do that...
okay, anywyas,, lets pretned that GM actually loses money on a corvette, i think someone said 3500 dollars ish??
my reasonong, though simple and maybe incorrect is this: if GM lost 3500 dollars on it,, they would raise the sticker price on EVER corvette on teh showroom by 3500 dollars,... and i will not believe for one second that a BRAND NEW corvette buyer would not pay that extra 3500+tax.. no way, if youre dropping 50K on that car, 3500 is nothing for you...
how many middle class family guys go out and buy a showroom new C6.... maybe 3????and they probalby wont be family men for long either...
find me some literate 2000 im waiting
When the 1997 C5 hardtop base Corvette was introduced GM listed the starting msrp at $39K. Eight years later the base price for a C6 is $44K. So they are adjusting for costs. The Corvette and the Caddy XLR are the same platform.........and the the GTO has the same powerplant...........so that disspells your statment of GM not utilizing Corvette parts in other vehicles. The 3.8 V6 is still around and has been since the early eighties and this waisting money on engine development line you mentioned about is nothing more than doing some minor internal changes................which is the same thing Ford is doing with the 4.6 (2V , 3V , 4V, and oh yes having Forged internals for the 03/04 Cobra 4.6's) in a span of 11 years. WOW Ford has the 4.6 line out for one more year than the Aluminum small block (LSx)
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Even GM realized that they had to start getting the Corvette to match up to the likes of Porsche, Mercedes and BMW in order for people to stay interested. I'm not saying the GT500 is a horrible car. It's just not what I would want and most people agree it could be much better. It's a pig and there is no denying that. 
