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So anyways how did this goto a debate about wwII anyways
Don't know!
I have read alot from both Jericho and petepete, listening and enjoying what you both said but comeone guys you have got to be kidding me. I've lost lots of respect for you both and your angle! its scary that both of you with the knowledge you seem to posses (sp) take this point of view. I dumbfounded! This tread was about imporst being more reliable!
It was in our Nations Interest to drop those bombs, and that story with the time zone? comeon lol. I'm glad for my sake and my family sake that those bombs were dropped. If they didn't then some of us wouldn't have been born.
Rightnow Japan is pretty populated. If those bombs were never dropped then they would be way way overcrowed. Although that is not the very nicest thing to say but, thats fact. If you start a war, don't complain if you loose. Like lets say, you pick a fight with some guy and you sent him a letter via email. But poor guy never got the email because he had AOL dial up connection. Later on, you go up to the guy and punch him in the nose without any warnings then he takes a 4x4 and breaks every bone in your body. So was it the guy's fault or yours?
and for the guys that are talking about pearl harbor.....you are ridiculous....it nowhere near compares to what happened in hiroshima
It's down right pathetic what America did there. We are right up there with the Nazi's as far as crimes against humanity is concerned. So, drop the Pearl Harbor crap before you end up really embarrassing us all. The internet is global don't forget. It's not just us Americans viewing this web site.
News Flash for every 1 allied POW killed in a Nazi war camp. 50+ died in a JAP POW camp. They The Japanese Gov to this day. Have not said they are sorry, or paid monies to war crime victims. Like the German's have. The current head of Mits Heavy Ind is a former POW camp guard. Over million Civlains died in China by the JAPS. They used Bio and Chem weapons first on Chinese Civlains in test's. Then but them in Hundreds of Ballons and launched them at us. A full year before we dropped the 1st Atom Bomb. Japan invaded Russia, Korea Philippines ( my wifes family lost of have their family Women and Children to the Japs in WW2) China ect.. before they attack US. Plus my Grand father's brother was murdered on the USS AZ. Thats right MURDERED War was not declared. Bull **** they did not now about the time line. If they had the brains to build the biggest strongest Battleships (YAMATO class). They sure as hell know about the time line. Ever hear of the Battan Death March 10,000 plus killed. The list goes on and on with them The JAP's made the Nazis look like cub scouts.
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and for the guys that are talking about pearl harbor.....you are ridiculous....it nowhere near compares to what happened in hiroshima
It's down right pathetic what America did there. We are right up there with the Nazi's as far as crimes against humanity is concerned. So, drop the Pearl Harbor crap before you end up really embarrassing us all. The internet is global don't forget. It's not just us Americans viewing this web site.
News Flash for every 1 allied POW killed in a Nazi war camp. 50+ died in a JAP POW camp. They The Japanese Gov to this day. Have not said they are sorry, or paid monies to war crime victims. Like the German's have. The current head of Mits Heavy Ind is a former POW camp guard. Over million Civlains died in China by the JAPS. They used Bio and Chem weapons first on Chinese Civlains in test's. Then but them in Hundreds of Ballons and launched them at us. A full year before we dropped the 1st Atom Bomb. Japan invaded Russia, Korea Philippines ( my wifes family lost of have their family Women and Children to the Japs in WW2) China ect.. before they attack US. Plus my Grand father's brother was murdered on the USS AZ. Thats right MURDERED War was not declared. Bull **** they did not now about the time line. If they had the brains to build the biggest strongest Battleships (YAMATO class). They sure as hell know about the time line. Ever hear of the Battan Death March 10,000 plus killed. The list goes on and on with them The JAP's made the Nazis look like cub scouts.
Great post, it gave me chills and well said! To many of us foget!!! lest we forget!
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lol, should I bring the war in Iraq in too?
We have a pretty good saying,
Kill them all, let God sort them out!
It was in our Nations Interest to drop those bombs, and that story with the time zone? comeon lol. I'm glad for my sake and my family sake that those bombs were dropped. If they didn't then some of us wouldn't have been born.
Rightnow Japan is pretty populated. If those bombs were never dropped then they would be way way overcrowed. Although that is not the very nicest thing to say but, thats fact. If you start a war, don't complain if you loose. Like lets say, you pick a fight with some guy and you sent him a letter via email. But poor guy never got the email because he had AOL dial up connection. Later on, you go up to the guy and punch him in the nose without any warnings then he takes a 4x4 and breaks every bone in your body. So was it the guy's fault or yours?
OK, you have your....interesting view, and one that's all too prevalent i think. But don't think the Pearl Harbor thing is just some story.
In 1991, the Japanese Foreign Ministry released a statement saying that in 1941 Japan had intended to make a formal declaration of war to the United States at 1 PM Washington time, 25 minutes before the attacks at Pearl Harbor were scheduled to begin. However, due to various delays, the Japanese ambassador was unable to make the declaration until well after the attacks had begun. The Japanese government apologized for this delay.
As far as your last comment, did i say we shouldn't respond, or were at fault to? No. In truth Pearl Harbor is what sealed Japans defeat on the very day they declared war. They saw Americans as weak of heart and afraid of sacrifice, and were proved wrong many times over. But their actions on 12-7-41, no matter what you believe, doesn't justify the overkill we laid down on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Funny it is called over kill. But the 1 B-29 Firebombing raid on capitol of Japan. Killed more than the either Atom bomb attack. Plus many more Japanese would have died, if we had to invaded Japans home land.
Funny it is called over kill. But the 1 B-29 Firebombing raid on capitol of Japan. Killed more than the either Atom bomb attack. Plus many more Japanese would have died, if we had to invaded Japans home land.
Yes but less civilians The whole difference between invading and bombing is that we would have killed mostly military if invading. yes some soldiers would be angry and kill civilians but not near as many as happened. The bomb killed tons of women and children. I forget the name of a book but its from the survivors of the bomb in the city. One is from a 13 year old girl in an elementary school. If you havent read it. Read it. It will change your view on things. Pearl Harbor was meant to attack military only. As in all battles of course some civilian lives were lost. The A bomb had on emission Kill anything thats still alive
Ok so we shouldn't use the bombs and sacrifice our men because its ok, they sign the paper that says we can sacrifice them? It's like the currenb war in ****, I am againts it! I pull the troops out and bomb them with a less deadly nuke. Or maybe the most powerful bomn that is non nuclear.
As stragic as it maybe to use the nukes, do you guys think what would have happened if Russians invaded Japan?
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you are forgeting something, soldiers are as much as human beings as civilians. And think about the soldiers who would have died on our side. Is it ok to sacrifice them because they signed the paper
you are forgeting something, soldiers are as much as human beings as civilians. And think about the soldiers who would have died on our side. Is it ok to sacrifice them because they signed the paper
Soldiers know what they are risking when they sign up. Civilians dont sign up because they dont want to die. Of course you can exclude draftees but still. And also if they want to use the bomb go a hea di never said dont. Just why a place that kills more children than military
Hmmm. Ok here's a "fact" for you. Besides my '06 Stang I own a 1981 FORD F-100 pickup. 287,560 miles on it, NEVER been rebuilt. I had it smogged back in June and it DOESNT EVEN BURN OIL. Screw the japs I'm supporting our own country and our own workers. Hell they attack our country and people go out and buy their cars. A Lexus? Give me a break. It's a glorified Toyota and looks like crap after a couple of years. The japs are laughing their a$$ off.
Hmmmm, Ok lets read my post again.... I stated that the above was my opinion. If you don't agree, so what? You could have given your opinion without being rude about it. Opinions are like a$$holes though, which are like some people. By the way, have you ever heard the term annecdotal? "The fact that MY Ford hasn't had problems therefore indicates great quality in ALL Ford vehicles" is what your annecdotal post above indicates. Surely you see the irrationality of this statement? I'm glad your Fords have served you well. If you lined up Complaints Per Million (CPM) and Defects Per Million (DPM) I'd bet a large sum of cash that any of the Japs are better in these MANUFACTURING metrics than any of the Big 3. Again, my post was my opinion as a person who feeds a family and makes a Mustang payment by MANUFACTURING for a living.
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Pete we were at war with a country that hated us. They would have lost lots more if the invasion happened or Russia attacked. The Island of Okanawa is an example, the civilian tolls were hefty. Besides Japan was looking for ways to hit us from all angles, the air ballon attack in seattle is an example and the alaskian islands too. Its all childs play thou Russia would have desimated them for no good reason with out war. The soldier and civilian arguement is weak its countries at war not militarys at war. Do you think Japan only killed China's military or did they go after the civies too.
Back to the topic, we may not have the most reliable cars but no country is perfect! And atleast, we are the best!
Besides, we are also improving the quality.
I agree we should get back to topic or this thread will never end. I once again say watch Gung Ho it seems to show the quality difference. Funny as hell too :P
Pete we were at war with a country that hated us. They would have lost lots more if the invasion happened or Russia attacked. The Island of Okanawa is an example, the civilian tolls were hefty. Besides Japan was looking for ways to hit us from all angles, the air ballon attack in seattle is an example and the alaskian islands too. Its all childs play thou Russia would have desimated them for no good reason with out war. The soldier and civilian arguement is weak its countries at war not militarys at war. Do you think Japan only killed China's military or did they go after the civies too.
And also, if Russians invaded Japan and Japan would have been torn between Russia and US. Then we won't really know what would have happened. Maybe it wouldn't have been like Germany, maybe the Soviet and US will go to war of Japan and more lives lost. There were too many variables and the Nuke was the answer to prevent these other things from happening. And also, if the Soviet didn't witness the nuke, maybe they would have fought for the whole Germany too. My last 2 cents and thats it for me. This is after all a Mustang forum lol.
OK last post lol.
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I had a blast when I was in Japan though! (non nuclear) and I have to say, they have the most high tech stuff that I've ever seen. Any apperance mods and accessories for cars, your JAWS would drop! Even their malls were pretty high tech.
One time I was strolling around Hiroshima when suddenly I had to go the the bathroom bad (and its not to pee either). I went to this one mall and sat down in one of those fancy toilets. They had electronic controls on the side of the wall but were in Japanese. There even was a control to heat up the seat! very cool! After I got done with my business, I wiped myself and suddenly I heard a buzzing noise underneath me. Just when I was about to get up, that damn thing started squirting water! I didn't want to stand up now because I would surely get wet. Well anyways, it took me about 10 mins to shut that thing off. It had different patterns of spraying too lol!
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Pete we were at war with a country that hated us. They would have lost lots more if the invasion happened or Russia attacked. The Island of Okanawa is an example, the civilian tolls were hefty. Besides Japan was looking for ways to hit us from all angles, the air ballon attack in seattle is an example and the alaskian islands too. Its all childs play thou Russia would have desimated them for no good reason with out war. The soldier and civilian arguement is weak its countries at war not militarys at war. Do you think Japan only killed China's military or did they go after the civies too.
Why are people trying to mitigate the US killing civilians by saying, well the Nazi's did it, well the Japanese did it. Hint-those are considered two of the most evil regimes ever. The rape of Nankang was disgusting, and obviously the Nazi's commited atrocities on so many civilians the numbers are still stagging to comprehend today. But the excuse Japan did it, the Nazis did it, it was war! In my mind that doesn't mitigate the fact that the US purposefully chose a wholly civilian site to drop the bombs, knowing it would kill hundreds of thousands. But it was war you say? They why not drop the bombs on military targets?
Why? There are lots of reasons but the main one is that the purpose of the bomb wasn't to display the US military power to Japan but rather to our "ally".
And how is the soldier and civilian argument weak? Whole populations don't go to war, countries armed forces do. Their is a clear cut difference between civilian and soldier, a soldier willingly accepts he may sacrifice his life for his country, a civilian doesn't.
But you're right, this debate isn't for this forum though. I appreciate the responses though, always good to see the other side of the coin.
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Why are you arguiing about this kind of crap? Us bombing them? Thats no kind of thing for this forum. American cars dont have reliability? I used to work for this company a few years back, they had these early 90's F150's (The ones with the Straight Six engines) Those would go easily 300 thousand before a rebuild, and thats treating the engine like a red headed step child! One of my father's work trucks is a 1956 F350, with the stock 292. That engine is pulling about 11 thousand pounds everyday and has over 500 thousand on it ( two rebuilds)
Look at the Honda Del Sol.........that was one of the biggest piles they made as far as problems go. Every company has lemons, every company has workhorses (The Ford Ranger is a tough, un-kill-able truck!)
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