Well, Pearl Harbor, they started it and Hiroshima well, they started it!
I didn't know they were selling Jap cars cheaper in Japan because it didn't seem like it when I was there. It was actually cheaper. Most Japs I talked to love American cars and beer! So there you have it.
Toyota had the most recalls last year and there was an article a few years ago saying that Ford quality as gone up to par with Japs cars
i think it was consumer report that did a reliability test with all the big brand car companies. They took an average of how many problems 100 of each of the companies cars had in 1 year, then 3 years, then 5 years or something like that. Lexus was best, followed by toyota, then acura, honda, mitsubishi, and then ford was actually pretty damn close to the top. Cadillac or mercedes was last.
You know Japs themselves are not over the Hiroshima deal. When I was in Hiroshima, there are people in the plaza where the bomb hit trying to get people to sign a petition to get more money for US. Also during the bombing aniversary, don't be caught outside if you're an American. They hold huge anti American rallys around the bases.
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Its funny how forgetful we can become in this country. The Japs still hold much hatred towards us and we fuel the fire by allowing them to buy our land and we buy their cars. But he we are lazy Americans and American cars are really bad because they are built by Americans!!!! Aren't most foreign cars now built here????? I've read many ignorant claims on here and I'm here to tell you folks many of you comments are false! It is an American bias that we have learned over the years that American NAMED cars are unreliable and junk.... this is only perception.... many FORDS are built in Mexico now, so is it just the American name or the actual workers? GM had huge problems with the GEO line which was also made overseas....That too must have been American works right? Now the Big 3 isn't perfect and have a long way to go but the American bashing has to stop, Magazines, newspapers and TV all get on the lets bash the American name brand which suck and is ANTI AMERICAN IMO…
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"Japs" is a racist slur
I disagree. I merely consider it to be an abbreviation. Gook, Chink, and Slope are racial slurs. (I use these here not because I believe in them but because Im trying to make a point.)
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Out here in northern california I see more BMW's on the side of the road than anything then comes mercedes...Realy strange. I used to live in Detroit, only things I saw on the road were there because the wheels got stolden off of them. Not because of engine failure. I guess you could say any car can be reliable it depends on the owner to take care of thier car. Japanese, German, French, British, American, Austrailian, Korean, Chinese, Norweigan "cant spell", Itallian, Russian, WHO CARES...if you like what you drive you drive it if everyone drove mustangs...We would have no one to beat ;)
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Yup, take care of your car and for the most part it, will take care of you. Anything mechanical, always has a chance of failing. And as far as Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Acura and others, remember they have a service department to. I don't see their mechanics standing around picking their butts and the lifts empty.
ORIGINAL: rmays06 It is an American bias that we have learned over the years that American NAMED cars are unreliable and junk.... this is only perception.... many FORDS are built in Mexico now, so is it just the American name or the actual workers? GM had huge problems with the GEO line which was also made overseas....That too must have been American works right? Now the Big 3 isn't perfect and have a long way to go but the American bashing has to stop, Magazines, newspapers and TV all get on the lets bash the American name brand which suck and is ANTI AMERICAN IMO…
Yessss, I was going to post something similar to this earler. Give yourself some credit, guys. The "lazy American" is a stereotype that everyone in AMERICA buys into all the time. Don't any of you work hard at your jobs? Don't buy that sh**. Asians also happen to be generally portrayed as timid and studious in our culture (nut necessarily true, but this is people's perception), so we naturally assume they are smart, and have a much more sturdy work ethic than others.
Keep in mind, your Mustang's final assembly was in America, but many of the parts were made overseas, in several different countries. Are those people lazy? Or is it just American engineers designing these cars that are lazy? If so, keep in mind that America "imports" more students than any other nation (engineering being a major one), and many of those students stay to work in America. Have you been to a graduate enginnering school? How many of those people are immigrants? So who's lazy then?
I think people like to make generalizations in order to make sense of the world, and often see patterns where they don't really exist. Even if it involves putting themselves down.
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You know Japs themselves are not over the Hiroshima deal. When I was in Hiroshima, there are people in the plaza where the bomb hit trying to get people to sign a petition to get more money for US. Also during the bombing aniversary, don't be caught outside if you're an American. They hold huge anti American rallys around the bases.
This is really stupid, I'm sorry you shouldn't compare Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Not at all.
First of all you have to understand, Pearl Harbor was never intended to be a sneak attack...in fact Japan had already formaly declared war before the attack, but because they didn't take the international date line and time difference into account, the declaration didn't reach the US until an hr or two after the attack. A logistics mistake, but the "sneak attack" story provided great support for the war effort, so that's what was used and the true story buried, a sign of the times. There's also strong evidence the attack was known about beforehand, and the info not acted upon, because FDR felt the US needed to be an active participant in the war, and not a spectator contributing vehicles and munitions. Of course, the US public was overwhelmingly isolationist and against any involvement with the war in 1941...so the only way FDR could get the US in the war was to get the public so outraged they would support entry into it. But that's neither here nor there in this discussion.
The US lost 2,403 American servicemen and 68 civilians on Dec 7, 1941...the death toll from the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki is belived to be roughly 214,000 between the two cities, mostly civilians. And that doesn't include the tens of thousands that died from effects of the bombs years later. So basically, Japan lost a decent sized city full of people nowerdays.
As tragic as Pearl Harbor was when you enter an armed force branch you accept that you're putting your life on the line and pledge to do so willingly. Pear Harbor was a battle and we were the enemy in Japans eyes. It was a military engagement. Sure, many don't see it that way but every coin has two sides, and that's the way many do see it.
The men, women and children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki took no such pledge though, they weren't combatants. I'm not saying they were innocent, or didn't support the Impertial army, but you don't attack non-combatants. Not only that, but their deaths weren't pretty, the lucky were at ground zero and were eviserated, the unlucky had their bodies slowly eaten away by radiation poisioning.
I don't want to get into if even dropping an atomic bomb was necessaary, and yes I love my countrey big time, i served in the army and back in WWII my grandfather served in the 8th AF/ AAC, flying a P-40 "Jug" and served at Normandy, for which i have his medals, but don't think Hiroshima/Nagasaki wasn't a total disgrace for the US, and is anything near Peal Harbor, or, dare i say it..9/11.
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Yessss, I was going to post something similar to this earler. Give yourself some credit, guys. The "lazy American" is a stereotype that everyone in AMERICA buys into all the time. Don't any of you work hard at your jobs? Don't buy that sh**. Asians also happen to be generally portrayed as timid and studious in our culture (nut necessarily true, but this is people's perception), so we naturally assume they are smart, and have a much more sturdy work ethic than others.
Keep in mind, your Mustang's final assembly was in America, but many of the parts were made overseas, in several different countries. Are those people lazy? Or is it just American engineers designing these cars that are lazy? If so, keep in mind that America "imports" more students than any other nation (engineering being a major one), and many of those students stay to work in America. Have you been to a graduate enginnering school? How many of those people are immigrants? So who's lazy then?
I think people like to make generalizations in order to make sense of the world, and often see patterns where they don't really exist. Even if it involves putting themselves down.
Nice, now its the labor unions fault that imports are better than domestic BIG 3 cars? What the hell kinda logic is that? five words, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
and for the guys that are talking about pearl harbor.....you are ridiculous....it nowhere near compares to what happened in hiroshima
It's down right pathetic what America did there. We are right up there with the Nazi's as far as crimes against humanity is concerned. So, drop the Pearl Harbor crap before you end up really embarrassing us all. The internet is global don't forget. It's not just us Americans viewing this web site.
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This is really stupid, I'm sorry you shouldn't compare Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Not at all.
Jericho you are right one was an act to bring a nation to start war and the other to end the bloodiest war man kind has ever know. If it weren't for the bombs sorry to say Japan would have never surrendered. Most say it would have cost over 1 million American lives to end it with out it.
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and for the guys that are talking about pearl harbor.....you are ridiculous....it nowhere near compares to what happened in hiroshima
It's down right pathetic what America did there. We are right up there with the Nazi's as far as crimes against humanity is concerned. So, drop the Pearl Harbor crap before you end up really embarrassing us all. The internet is global don't forget. It's not just us Americans viewing this web site.
So you compare dropping 2 bombs on a county that the oath and creedo of the contry was that is was a disgrace to surrender and you were less than human if you did, to a faction (nazi) that was capturing innocent Euro's due to the religious preferance or look and starving, beating, raping, doing test on humans while awake and most horrific baked them. That faction killed 6 million JEWS for the religion they served. That is your comparison? I don't get it liquid, if you know anything about WWII that is exactally what Japans military did to the captured Allies, beat, burnt, and tortured allied military members with the oath to never surrender. THIS IS REALLY YOUR COMPARISION?
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This is really stupid, I'm sorry you shouldn't compare Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Not at all.
Jericho you are right one was an act to bring a nation to start war and the other to end the bloodiest war man kind has ever know. If it weren't for the bombs sorry to say Japan would have never surrendered. Most say it would have cost over 1 million American lives to end it with out it.
Japan was done, the war was over...maybe not officially, but it was over. The Soviets had just entered the Pacific war by attacking Japanese forces in Manchuria, there is no way a beaten and bloodied JIA could've held off an invasion from bothe the US and the Soviets. Heck, much of the top Military leaders at the time, such as Gen Dwight D Einsenhower, future president, saw the bombings as unneeded as Japan was on the verge of defeat. The civilian members of Japans govt were pushing for peace, and saw defeat inevitable, but the military wing in Japan was holding out, detirmined. Would a surrender have taken longer had we not dropped the bomb? Yes. Would it still have happened? Yes, there was no other possible outcome for Japan.
And the one single most disturbing thing about the bombings of Hiroshima/ Nagasaki is that highly populated civilian targets...not military targets...were chosen on purpose, that's terrorism. Like someone said, if the Nazis had dropped the bomb on say London we would've tried those responsible for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and sentenced them to death at Nuremberg.
The bombing of Hiroshima/ Nagasaki wasn't about Japan, wasn't about WWII. We saw the way the political wind was blowing, and the dropping of Little Boy and Fat Man was all about showing the Soviets how big, bad, and powerful we were.
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and for the guys that are talking about pearl harbor.....you are ridiculous....it nowhere near compares to what happened in hiroshima
It's down right pathetic what America did there. We are right up there with the Nazi's as far as crimes against humanity is concerned. So, drop the Pearl Harbor crap before you end up really embarrassing us all. The internet is global don't forget. It's not just us Americans viewing this web site.
So you compare dropping 2 bombs on a county that the oath and creedo of the contry was that is was a disgrace to surrender and you were less than human if you did, to a faction (nazi) that was capturing innocent Euro's due to the religious preferance or look and starving, beating, raping, doing test on humans while awake and most horrific baked them. That faction killed 6 million JEWS for the religion they served. That is your comparison? I don't get it liquid, if you know anything about WWII that is exactally what Japans military did to the captured Allies, beat, burnt, and tortured allied military members with the oath to never surrender. THIS IS REALLY YOUR COMPARISION?
Wow, are you really going to debate on a "We're not quite as bad as Nazi's!" platform.
Of course what the Nazi's did was horrific, yes the Japanese treatment of POW's was horrific...that doesn't mean this country doesn't have blood on our hands, delibratly killing almost 220,000 civilians is horror cut from the same cloth.
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rmays06 Obviously you dont know that the soviets were just days away from launching an attack on Japan. It is very obvious (but not historical fact) that the bomb was dropped on japan not only to end the war quick. But to keep the soviets from spreading their influence throughout asia after they would surely crush japan. Not to mention did the us not have a sort of concentration camp of their own for the japanese. Though it may not have seemed as brutal as the nazis it was just as uncalled for and not needed. I forget which politician said it but they said they did not find any japanese spies in the camps. So anyways how did this goto a debate about wwII anyways
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