well ROUSH is going to surpass caroll shelby; shelby did the same thing took cars and put in a bigger motor. Thats all the Base Price: 2006 Ford Mustang Steeda Q 525 - $62,000 now if you want to send over another 10k for me please feel free. But thats no reach for me and i dont think its fair for a 17 year old with a 60k car... 50k neither but hey IMO.
ROUSH got good ratings and i like the car; and i cant change my mind now; already on its way; so either its take it or leave it.
You are spectulating alot about roush surpassing caroll shelby which I really really doubt. That is unless Roush can win 2 Lemans or more like shelby did finishing 1,2,3. Shelby cars are a racing legend pint end of story. Also the only reason because the gt500 is overpriced is because it just got released. If you take economics it is all about supply and demand. There is a lot of demand for the car right now. If I am not mistaken the first one sold for around 200k on auction. Just wait 6 months or so and you will see how the price will drop to around 40ishK. Your main reason to buying a roush is all on the presumption that they will become the next shelby. Someone doesn´t become an auto legend from night to morning and dont expect roush to do so. Why dont you stick with the numbers on the car? Roush is an aftermarket moder, saleen is considered a manufacturer, not to mention saleen is a much more reputable and recognized name that is why more people by the saleen than the roush.
If you indeed are getting it, id like to know what the hell youve been doing and say good luck not killing yourself. Thats alot of horsepower. I got my 04 GT a coupe monthes ago. Im 16 not far off from 17, but the first thing i did was take it on I75 for the top speed test. 140+ mph almost hitting a semi scared the **** out of me and im sure if i would have had an extra 250 hp i would've been going much faster. Nobody that has a mustang pussy foots around with the gas and thats not what im asking you to do but dont exceed your abilities or your investment and your life might be over. So good luck with that.
The only problem with that is it is still a Mustang, Roush cars don't hold their resale like a Cobra or a Saleen the reason it is a GT with a body kit and some aftermarket upgrades. On Saleens, Saleen is actually considered the manufacturer Roush is considered an aftermarket upfitter like a customizing company for conversion vans. IMO if you want to spend the money look at a Steeda Q, much better suspension and a built motor that makes the HP you want straight from Steeda.
You should also know when you are selling a car you gotta strip out all the mods you have made and sell them piece by piece. Modding a shelby, roush or anything similar you wont get the money you put into it same as with any other car. All I am saying that if you want to mod the car, for example for 10k I can do ALL of the mods a stage 3 has and with better components and more efficient supercharger. So then it would be what? 35k total?, in 3 years I can sell the parts for around 6k give or take. and the car for around 18k I suppose give or take. thats is 24k out of a 35k investment. So you are telling me the 55k stage 3 will sell for 44k after 2 years? I seriously doubt it. 35k vs 55k your choice, but like I said if you just want a stage 3 just because for the name then go for it. If you really want performance you do it yourself.
look basically the R3 comes with all that jazz; I may just put between 50 to 100 shot and the chemical boost intercooler; thats 100+hp right there. = 485rwhp+
on nitrous 500rwhp is ez, I am just saying if you plan to mod it excesively the R3 is NOT a good buy at all. Roush comes with 415hp and 385 torque. For the ammount they charge it is really weak. Just getting a centrifugal supercharger for example a vortech for 4.4k intecooled with injectors gives u 150-200 hp. that pumps it up to 460-510hp on a stock GT with just 4.4k in parts and with labor take it to 30k. So 30k total on a stock gt already smokes the stage 3. Roush or not, I dont go by name, I go by numbers and I think 95% of the people are behind me on that. Oh also before I forget the gt500 does have a BIGGER engine it is not the 4.6L like the Stage 3 so expect to be blown away by any gt500 with just a pulley change. This is what it includes The stage 3 inclues: CORE COMPONENTS - $21,000 + S&H ROUSHcharged 4.6L powertrain system ROUSH 7 Piece Aerobody Kit Lower Valance Fog Lamps ROUSH 18-Inch Forged Chrome Wheel & Ultra-High Performance Tires ROUSH Rear Exit High Performance Exhaust w/ Chromed Tips ROUSH Fender Badges ROUSH Decklid Emblem ROUSH Embroidered Floor Mats ROUSH Front Windshield Banner ROUSH Billet Aluminum Shifter Handle ROUSH Pedals w/ Dead Pedal ROUSH Stage 3 White Face Gauge Cluster ROUSH Stage 3 Sport Leather Seating ROUSH Suspension System ROUSH Brake Kit ROUSH Serialized Engine Bay Plaque
NOt to mention they charge exta for: Mustang Racing Stripes - $530 Interior Dash Trim Kit - $350 Quarter Window Louvers - $315 Locking Lug Nuts - $60 Convertible Light Bar - $910 Billet Aluminum Shift Knob w/ Grips - $63 Short Throw Shifter - $340 Short Throw Shifter w/ Chrome Shifter Arm and White Ball Knob - $445 Short Throw Shifter w/ Chrome Shifter Arm and Black Ball Knob - $445 Trunk Mounted Tool Kit - $295 Door Sill Plates - $57
On a summary I still dont see where the 30k extra for a stage 3 are.
There is no way Roush will surpase Shelby. On the track maybe, as Roush is dominating the nextel cup curcuit. Shelby was the first person/company to sell brand new modified mustangs. Which makes them all the more unique. Roush is in highly competitive market with companies like Steeda, Saleen, etc. Though they are a very nice car, there is no reason to think that they will surpass their other compition. My grandfather just sold his 1969 Shelby GT500 Conv. 428 SCJ for 200k. No way will a Roush sell for thirty times its original value forty years from now. The car that you can buy today that will be the most collectable will be the GT500. Look at how well the OEM cars like the 03/04 Cobra's or 2000 Cobra R's retain their value comparied to Saleens or Roushs from the same year.
The car will be awesome but just don't compare it to a classic shelby.
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you make alot of sense and i know where your comming from; but WARRANTY plays a big part as well; im a 16 year old turning 17 in about 2 weeks. The car would be here before i drive haha; but the point is i dont have time and the money; im going to be paying 416/42 months for this car as well as insurance. I can build any car from the ground up because i know people who have done it and have done it well; a good friend of mine, his dad a has a chevy malibu running around 10s all day on motor. So if i wanted to build a car from the ground up it would be alot of money because i simply would want the best.
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I just can't see how anyone thinks a Roush Mustang will be as valuable as a vintage Shelby. Remember, vintage Shelbys went through the 70's as 'used' cars. Carroll also built the Cobra 260/289/427 and had a hand in Ford winning LeMans with the GT40 program. In this day and age things are 'pre-sold' as collectibles even before they've reached the market(biggest way to lose money-example the ZR-1 'Vette). The '07 Shelby may or may not be as collectible as enthusiasts are hoping for. Although it is a Ford product and has a huge network in support. Besides the Shelby with the S/C 5.4L will ALWAYS have more potential than the 4.6L in all other variations(Roush/Saleen/Steeda) of Mustangs. Heck a Saleen 281E makes 550hp with a handbuilt engine with expensive internals, that's a pulley change for an '07 GT500. When I was 17, I too thought I knew it all, but hey if you can afford, get what your heart desires. Just don't come crying when in 10 years when that 50K+ Roush3 is worth 20K or less. I lusted after an '82 when I turned 17, everyone thought that would be the last hurrah for performance cars.....hmmmmmmmm what are '82 GT's going for now? I say do your research(with supervision-you are a minor! j/k) and homework and I'm sure you'll make a decision best for your current situation. Although we'll never predict the future, look at recent Roush products and see where they're at value-wise. Good luck with your decision. I choose GT500!
can you please read the post instead of talking blabberish?????? 418$ a month for 42 months LOL how much did u put on downpayment?? 30k? haha as I told you before if you supercharge a car the only warranty you void is the one on the motor. The electronics, bumper to bumper warranty is still in effect. As you have been told time after time and I just posted a list of the options the car has. With 30k in options you could be running 600rwhp all day w/o breaking not to mention much better interior, exterior and the best suspension money can buy. You are paying 30k extra for crap I gave u the list of things that is different on the car. You cant tell me that short list is worth 30k, hell they charge 450$ for a chrome shortshifter and 500 for the racing stripes that cost 100$. The supercharger is crap and cant go that better because it is NOT efficient. last but not least a chevy malibu running 10's on motor alone if that is true it is not a daily driver unless your "friends" dad drives it with no upholstery, rear seats, a/c, power steering among other deletes. and a daily driver?? numbers just dont add up bro. 418 a month thats 20k only Without interest or anythinge. Are you sure you bought a stage 3 roush and not a VW jetta?? haha
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35k down = 416/42months; and no his car is a drag car. But dude i understand and i like the fact that your trying to help me out but i really do like the car and i have the money. I have seen all the stuff the R3 come wiht on roushpref.com; also im still in highschool i dont care if i can get 500+ rwhp but the fact is its going to be TIME IN THE SHOP for the car! Your telling me all this when your dad bought an S500 and put S550; doesnt make sense trying to show you have money? I am buying the car for the overall look and i feel in love with. There are other R3 owners that adore the car.
Get the Stage 3 Roush.I have a 2006.Great car!...This website has a Saleen bias.The new Shelby is a faster car,but you seem satisfied that you want the Roush...get it.The resale value is probably less ,but you won't sell it for a long time.I get many compliments on the car.The RoushS/C and the4.6 liter is a great match.Alot of folks don't care much for this roots style blower(don't let these guys bust your balloon)...I don't see anything wrong,myself and this isn't my first blown car.The suspension is much better than a stock GT.I don't care much for plastic hood scoops that have no real function(but each to his own).You will love this car...and probably get more than one speeding ticket,initially until the initial excitment wears off.You'll likely get laid more as well
17 years old 485hp mustang 100 shot whats this equal you ask?? IMO an obituary.. get a beater, fix it up then have pride in it because you did the work not some manufacturing company that makes carbon copy cars for differant drivers
Haha i guess i made out on a good deal; 06Roush_st_3 if you re-read this forum do you mind telling me on some modifications i can do to the R3 to get it up to 500+ hp? Also your very true about the SALEEN they tend to take the stang and convert it into thier own car and not keeping the nice curves of the body. SALEEN = tooo boxy
I am not sure what will get you 500 HP, but I do think you should rebuild the bottom end of the block for 500hp especially 500rwhp. At least if you want to drive it for a while.
You should be able to take the boost up to at least 8, that alone should get you close to 500. This is my first Charged car so I haven't played much yet.
My car is also a vert with the $1k light bar, the Coupes are less $$. But my car is much more rare.
Well, if you are getting it then I will believe you. I just take everything on web forums with a grain of salt and even more so when coming from a teenager and when people start talking about extensive modifcations. But 500bhp is hard to measure, there are lots of inaccurate formulas to figure out what your bhp is based on rwhp. Either way I wouldn't start with a Roush, their suspension components are sub-par and the car is overpriced IMO.
You should check out my car before you say that Roush suspension is sub-par. My car handles great!!! and I have a 98 GT with LOTS of Maximum Motorsports stuff, and H&R springs. Maybe in the past, but considering Roush is a top Nextel Cup racing team I think they know what's up.
They are saying the Jack Roush is the next up and comming Carroll Shelby; i would get a beater but i hate waiting for my car to get out of the shop. Not everyone has a R3!!!
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Who's saying Jack Roush is the next Carroll Shelby? That's like saying George W. is the next George Washington! Roush is a team owner with Ford backing, he's a great manager, but the next Carroll Shelby? They don't make men like good 'ol Carroll anymore, not considered P.C.. Jack's Huevos aren't anywhere near as large as Carroll's, so watch what you think and think what you say. Next Carroll Shelby?! I might just have to forward this to get some good laugh tracks. Ahhhh the ignorance of youth. Just jump in your 50K Mustang, chase some tail and hopefully get some, 'cause you be ill'in.
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Yes, I do agree. Roush, Saleen and Steeda have all done their homework in regards to setting up the Mustang to handle extremely well. Saleen and Steeda on the racetracks and Roush with their close association with Ford. On another note, does anyone remember Roush's first attempt with the Mustang for general consumption(excluding the stillborn 25th anniversary twinturbo 351 GT of 1989)?The late'94/'95 GT with the weird intake setup? It drew air from the back of a special hood through a unique intake manifold. Not too many exist and not many were sold over the counter, just too little for too much. Besides the 5.0L was dead by then(in new Mustangs). I do not agree with Roush's pieces being subpar, but then again, everyone has their unique experiences with different products. I don't think anyone can go wrong buying from a reputable manufacturer, just need to remember to 'match' parts to one another to get the best overall effect.
Who's saying Jack Roush is the next Carroll Shelby? That's like saying George W. is the next George Washington! Roush is a team owner with Ford backing, he's a great manager, but the next Carroll Shelby? They don't make men like good 'ol Carroll anymore, not considered P.C.. Jack's Huevos aren't anywhere near as large as Carroll's, so watch what you think and think what you say. Next Carroll Shelby?! I might just have to forward this to get some good laugh tracks. Ahhhh the ignorance of youth. Just jump in your 50K Mustang, chase some tail and hopefully get some, 'cause you be ill'in.
Well that was directly from one of the sales person's that told me that Jack Roush is the next upcomming Mr. Shelby; to tell you the truth FROM WHAT I KNOW; they both are doing the same thing make something out of nothing. They are all Performance Modifying clubs; show who you want because at the end im right. They put better/bigger/badder engines engines in car for people who want to have the power but not go through all the stress themeselfs. http://www.mustangheaven.com/forums/showthread.php?t=780&goto=nextnewest << educate yourself. Either way you put it they are both legends in their own ways.
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