What do you think times will yeild for the 2005 mustang?

With the supercharger? -- hard to tell, because I don't know the weight due to the body changes. -- sure is nice though....have you seen the engine bay?</P>


for some reason I can't post it....I'll see if I can post it in the photo gallery area...</P>

The real concern of the 2005 Mustang is the damn price. I hope they can pull it out, but isnt it supposed to cost bout $20k base model?

20k??????? no, flippin way....REALLY??? for a V8?? If it's under 30K I'll get it.....

I don't know if the new one is DOHC or SOHC, assuming that it is SOHC, it could not be more powerful than the 03 cobra, maybe around the low 13's, or even the mid 12's. Who knows</P>


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yeah i hear 20k...but don't get me wrong, i hope that i am lying my ass off. but all new body panels and crap has got to raise costs doesnt it?

Fordhad a press release stating theengine will be 4.6L 3V SOHC. I am unsure about the hp though. At some point there is also supposed to be a 5.4L produced but I don't know if that will be only for special editions or if it will be a new cobra engine. They also stated the price would not change much from current prices... maybe 1-2K increase. <IMG src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0"></P>


They won't produce a new cobra until 2006 either. It will remain with the same body style as current. <IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border="0"></P>

So we're probably talking over 30k for a nicely equipped one......bummer</P>


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jugador, i would think the cost goes more into the design.... than the actual cost of the materials. got to pay those engineers.

There goes the "bang for your buck" the Mustang is known for.

yeah, now its bang for more buck

I guess we'll just wait and see about the price cause it's not set in stone yet...I hope it'll be just as cheap!

Well at least we still have all of our old favorites to mod the hell out of!

if they sell em cheap, people will buy em like crazy. and we will have a surge of used late model mustangs, since they have sold so many since...hell since they started makin em. hell i might abandon mine for one...

I heard for a stock GT, its just under 30k.

stock...as opposed to factory modified? lol. you cantnot get them stock. and i will enjoy the surge because they will be cheaper! Then maybe I could get a GT (its looking like V-6 is the only choice i have cause of insurance, but if the car is cheap who cares right?)

i'd eat the cost, and get the GT if affordable for you. if you can get the loan to buy a 30G car, might as well get it and just budget your $$ till insurance goes down for you.

i could never afford a 30g car being that im not yet 16. thats just a joke tho! itmust be wrong!

its really to early to tell. rumors have it going the gt will be anywhere from 300-325hp. And supposedly the new mustang cobras will be 500hp costing anywhere from 35-45k. Like redline said, it aint written on stone yet. we just got to wait and see what comes about. if the GT will be 30k, then i doubt i can afford one. but i'll just wait a few months and maybe get a used one with barely any miles on it. it could easily be 5k less then a brand new one.</P>

chrisle's got the right idea. they'd still be brand spanking new, there's always someone who gets rid of it quick. when i was srt-4 shopping, i found a black one for sale, guy took it home, 3 days later lost his job and had to sell, had like 300 miles on it. he wanted 18 for it i think. i've found 03 cobras for sale for under 30G's.

rob got his cobra for 25k im pretty sure

not a bad price! how did he get it for so cheap? But yeah getting one used is the real deal! hey this is off topic but what is the Z4's 0-60 time?

if they produce a 5.7L mustang its sure to be a beast

they wouldnt. maybe a 5.4 since its already in trucks.

There goes the "bang for your buck" the Mustang is known for.

Don't forget the fact that they don't hold value that well (at least around here), so wait it out a bit.

yeah thats true jeep, mustangs dont hold their value that well. thats why you can find '03 cobras for high 20's or low 30's. but boy i cant wait till these mustangs come out. i am planning on selling my 2002 celica gt-s for one. then i'll have both a 2000 trans am ram air and a 2005 mustang gt. boy will the insurance and gas mileage kill me.

Never shoulda bought that jap crap "gts" anywho<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

like i said in my other posts, it was a daily driver car. has better gas mileage and feels more comfortable then my ram air, better overall car.its a good car none the less. hate to see it go, but id rather take a 05 stang.

Jap crap.....

Don't get me started on the subject.

how is japanese crap, cause they more advanced and built better then american cars?? o well, lets not get started on this jap vs domestic crap. all i know is that everyone on this thread is interested in the 2005 stang including me. no more arguing.lets just talk '05 mustang. </P>

japanese is crap because more technology means more to get f**ked up.

Yep, and why not just go domestic4 banger?</P>


Anyhoo... yes the 05's are the shiznit and i wish i could get one.</P>

isnt toyota the most reliable??

the celica is pretty cool they can be made to be pretty fast...</P>

the toyota is probably the best of all the evils (lol) honda etc.

<IMG onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley7.gif'" alt=Angry src=smileys/smiley7.gif border="0">Honda's a good car not even close, maybe reliable with only 100hp. My brother had a 5.0 now drives a Modded Civic. He hates his civic now. After about 3k into he's only running 14's. Anyways, I don't want to be in any honda in a car accident.

Yep, and why not just go domestic*4 banger?</p>


Cause ALL 4 bangers are slow.....

But at least mine rips the balls off of most 4 bangers at teh track<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0">

Three letters - WRX. Some four bangers can put out!</P>


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any car can with proper additions. japs have only jumped a head for a lil is because our auto makers had there heads up there ass for a long time now . but things are changing <IMG src=smileys/smiley15.gif border="0">

Ford had a 4 Cyl that rocked back in the 80's aka The Mustang SVO:D

i'm sayin if you have to get a four why not domestic?

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<FONT size=4> "BUY AMERICAN"</FONT></P>


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Your jobs, your futures.

Choose wisely.

if you're getting a four why not a 6. and if a 6, why not go eight? its like asking whats the meaning of life. everyone can give u a s**tty answer, but in the end its up toyou to decide what you think.

Like I've said before, I may have a 4 banger, but it's a torquy mofo that rips the balls offa the jap crap (go GM woot!<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0"> )

I'm not defending imports cause I'm strongly in favor of demestics, you have a4 cyljeep right&gt;? you posted your times it was like 16 1/4 right? most 4 bangers that are import can beat that...unless you in colorado where the altitude is bad...I mean...Maybe yours is an Auto? <edited><editID>Redline5th</editID><editDate>37847.645150463</editDate></edited>

<IMG alt=Angry src=smileys/smiley7.gif onclick="AddSmileyIcon'smileys/smiley7.gif'" border="0">Honda's a good car not even close, maybe reliable with only 100hp. My brother had a 5.0 now drives a Modded Civic. He hates his civic now. After about 3k into he's only running 14's. Anyways, I don't want to be in any honda in a car accident. </P>


werd honda isn't a good car, people are like "These are the best most reliable cars ever...!!! heck yeah they are! You know why? Why? Cause they don't make any power at all! that's why!" 3k of mods and only 14's???? right I don't want to be ina wreck at all especially in a tin can lol...</P>


Toyota is probably the best import and nissan. America Forever though</P>


Then people say Awman My buddy has a 11 second civic WOW! What do you say to that domestic people! I say there is only a handful of them...all kids who have to much money...! </P><edited><editID>Redline5th</editID><editDate>37847.6529513889</editDate></edited>

Sorry about that rant, I work at a shop where kids shop. I swear they can't think for themselves. All they talk about is Honda's. One kid said the new 350Z sucks. What do you do?</P>

It's sad...they know they'll never be able to beat a 350 it's really sad...</P>

I know it's sad, get this though my sister's boyfriend had an eclipse. We were at my uncle's at the time. He has a 2003 Cobra and my sister's bf was saying that he could beat it. Then I told him it's a high 12 car with a decent driver, that shut him up

lol that's crazy... I know this kid that has a beatup 1990 Civic and he claimed he tested it to 60 and got under 8 seconds 0-60...he claims he was going on flat ground 2...

LOL, that's good. Here's a question for you? I know not all of them act like that, but the people I've met had that attitude. Did the same thing happen to you?

yeah same here, they just ARRRHGG!! they just can't understand why there cars arn't fast (So they act like it is, so basicly there lieing to thereselves about there car...it's like ok a big huge lie!)!!!! Then after you beat them in a race at the track. There like well........my car is still more realiable there yours is! You know why?? *Kid with honduh why?* Me: Cause it doesn't make any power at all! there is no wear on the engine you idiot... <IMG src=smileys/smiley14.gif border="0">! </P>


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Doesanyone think that someone witha civic (90) manual could get 7 seconds 0-60??? is that possible??? Well he said under 8...so it's probably like 7.9999999 I think it's not true -- what do you think?</P><edited><editID>Redline5th</editID><editDate>37848.7653009259</editDate></edited>

EVERY RICER I HAVE MET HAS HAD THE MINE IS BETTER THAN YOURS ATTITUDE. AND JUST ABOUT EVERY TRUE MUSTANG OWNER WAS THRILLED THAT YOU HAD A MUSTANG AND DID NOT REALLY CARE IF THERES WAS BETTER THAN YOUR OR NOT IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT A MUSTANG HAS BROUGHT MANY DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE TOGATHER. EACH ONE INTERESTED IN WHAT THE OTHER HAS DONE TO THE CAR AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO IT.

I just find it embrassing of this new "hot rod" generation. It's like they don't even think, too much The Fast and the Furriest :P. We should make a movie about imports called THE SLOW AND THE LETHARGIC.:D

Maybe if the Civic is going downhill with a backwind pushing the car redline. My Brother's Honda has Zero reliablility now.</P>

I know that you don't like imports but what would it seriously do??? 0-60 wise???

No, I don't hate imports. I just hate some of the people that drive them. But I do hate Honda's. He had his 0-60 Gteched at 7.79

My SHO GTeched at 7.75

so your saying that it could be true? his saying that it got under 8 seconds???? G-tech is pretty accurate...it's abeatup civic DX 91 manual...</P><edited><editID>Redline5th</editID><editDate>37849.8032638889</editDate></edited>

r u sure its stock?, i havent read the last pages but it seams that u keep saying beatup, it could be a sleeper, who knows?</P>

It's stock trust me...anyone know the 0-60 on this car????</P>


I know this is labeled 2005 mustang, but there are only 2 post's so...</P>

the only honda i like are the honda s2000's. now those are nice bad ass looking cars. but acura is made by honda, and i think those acura cl and tl type s' are pretty darn nice. they may not be as fast as an american car, but they are great cars for the 30+ age group.

No, his a 1997 Civic DX. With a Cam, Cam gear, CAI, MSD Ignition, Racing Clutch, short shifter, and that's what I can remember

yea, what he said :P

and he got 0-60 in 7 with those mods?</P>


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so what would a stock 91do? Dx 5spd?</P>

Yes, those mods</P>


Whereas my Stock SHO (a portly 3800 lbs) still ran faster and it's an Auto</P>

lol, that's great! so this kid doesn't know how to time his car...no-way he got under 8...what would he do like 9?<edited><editID>Redline5th</editID><editDate>37852.6390393519</editDate></edited>

Huh?? which kid Redline?

You know looking back at my post I forgot to put one thing in. The civic I told you about is my Brother's not that beat up one you talk about

the one that I was talking about said he timed his car and got under 8 STOCK! and your saying one with all these mods are getting 7.79? ok I got ya, and I was saying that the one I was talking about got 7 didn't know how to time his car, not your bro...was he the one with the one with cams ect.?</P>


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This is why I don't like hondas http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t129116.html (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t129116.html target=)</P>


it's the people that drive them..."I looked back and couldn't see him, them I shifted and there he was one car length back" <IMG src=smileys/smiley5.gif border="0"></P><edited><editID>Redline5th</editID><editDate>37852.6703240741</editDate></edited>

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<FONT size=1>A Mustang cannot beat an LS1. Simply cannot happen. Please refer to this guide if you're a Mustang owner that thinks you may have beaten an LS1.

#1 The LS1 cannot be beaten.
#2 All Mustangs are stock.
#3 All LS1s run mid/high 12s bone stock from the factory.
#4 Even the 03 Cobra is a mid 13 car.
#5 The LS1 was not racing.
#6 The LS1 was parked.
#7 The LS1 was just playing with you.
#8 The LS1 was actually a V-6 with Z28 badges.
#9 The LS1 was actually an LT1, which can only be beaten by an LS1.
#10 The race does not count because it ended before 160mph.
#11 The race does not count because it did not start from a roll.
#12 The race does not count because the LS1's passenger was performing oral on the driver.
#13 The race does not count because the LS1 was not properly tuned.
#14 If you still feel your Mustang may have beaten an LS1, please see #1.</FONT> </P>


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not all ricers drive imports. this guys shining ignorance is an example of what can happen. the sad thing is, he actually believes his retorick</P>


and yes, i did get my cobra for $25k</P>


shop around. there are deals out there for the people who know how to find them. and always ALWAYS haggle, they wanted $29k for the car.</P>


f***ing ingorant people piss me off. i wish ignorance would be painful. alot of ricers would be hospitalized for their pain.</P>

agreed, rob</P>

Yeah, it was my bro with all the mods. He's realistic, not a ricer like most of the kids or some adults.

There should be a Ignorance law. Law should says if your ignorance is annoying other people, 20 cane hits for you<IMG src=smileys/smiley7.gif border="0">

was he pushing the car? I mean stressing the car...not literally pushing the car...the one with the cams, I think it's your bro? was he pushing the car to it's limits?</P><edited><editID>Redline5th</editID><editDate>37852.8640046296</editDate></edited>

Yeah he was, that engine was put through the ringer that day.

ok thanks for the help, man now I know that this kid was not telling the truth to me, and I know that this thing is stock...other thansubwoofer

my ricer co worker has a 99 civic DX. basic mods... short shifter, tannabe cat back aem intake ignition.... on a 60 shot he runs mid 15's. but on friday, his 6 psi turbo goes in. so he'll be stock except for lowered rimz, 6 pis intercooled with full exhaust. he thinks hes going to be running 14's.<IMG src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0">

haha 60 shot and only running 15;s AHAHAH!

"I looked back and couldn't see him, them I shifted and there he was one car length back" </p>
It sounds like at one point, the stang was in his blind spot, and as his lead increased, he could see the stang 1 car length back. I don't know what is making you upset, and not like honda people.

<FONT color=green> Um...the whole thing is bogus! comon there is no way that he beat the mustang, unless those clearcorners cut off a couple a seconds...like someone there said, you obviously didn't read it! could have been a blind spot, (doubt it) Ok not like honda people, there additude ticks me off, there always saying that they beat stuff they didn't and obvisouly you haven't read the last few pages we have gone over this before! duh! it's there additude they think a air intake and a fart can is making them run 14's. There additude not the car! And well I'm not a big fan of the car either...if u race and beat a civic no matter what there going to go and tell there buddy that "I smoked that car" like someone said before.</FONT></P>


<FONT color=green>"I can beat that 03' cobra with my eclipse" "it runs 12's stock with a fair driver" that's the additude that they can beat anything...they have no respect...</FONT></P>

<FONT color=red>and it is possible for a honda to beat a mustang just not with those sorta mods...thought I'd throw that in before you told me that....</FONT>

Redline is right, the attitude from the SCC scene is getting out of control. I know there are some good people in there, but it seems the more I meet of them those good people are rare in that scene. For example a kid in town loves picking races with V-8's Trucks, cars he don't care. One day he messed with the wrong car and had his ass handed to him. Then he gets out and says oh you have a bigger engine. WTF it was him that picked the race. God, please god end the SCC scene soon<IMG src=smileys/smiley16.gif border="0">

yeah about 85% of ricers are a-holes. they think there car is the shiet. i was driving my moms lexus the other day, and some primered early 90's teg tried racing me. i own both a '01 celica and a '00 ram air. ive been part of the import crowd, and boy do those ricers talk a lot of trash. but there are a handful of people out there that know where they stand. i definitely know my celica cant hang with my trans am, so i dont rag or even try racing one. i just like it cause it saves a lot more gas then the ram air. maybe if those ricers knew how fast a domestic can woop them, then maybe they would stop talking trash and initiating races.

Maybe chrisle, I only respect those people who aren't a-holes as you have noticed. I work at a Car Audio store and I see the attitude everyday, and it's getting really old for me. But with those people it's getting harder and harder not to be an asshole and not be nice to them while working<edited><editID>Brian302505</editID><editDate>37854.5206712963</editDate></edited>

right! </P>

I just wish there where some more car guys who drive imports. I know of one guy who is a car guy who drives imports. He has a 91 Mazda RX-7, and he knows where it stands. He doent try things he cant beat. He just likes picking on civics. I asked him if he wanted to race whenI got the Cobra, and he said "Are you f***ing stupid? I cant beat that!" But, its also worht noting that his next car is gonna be a '65 mustang fastback.... At least there is ONE import driver out there who is not a ricer. But he does love his rotarys. Hell,I like rotary engines too.

ok so there is one good person in the world...um I still don't like em' <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">

lol, those are the people we need in the world

yeah!

my ricer co worker has a 99 civic DX. basic mods... short shifter, tannabe cat back aem intake ignition.... on a 60 shot he runs mid 15's. but on friday, his 6 psi turbo goes in. so he'll be stock except for lowered rimz, 6 pis intercooled with full exhaust. he thinks hes going to be running 14's.<img border="0" src=smileys/smiley3.gif border="0">


NOW THAT'S FUNNY. I'm running high/mid 15's with a $7 big bore TB, $20 header, and $35 or so buck CAI.

Hampsters SUCK.

There's a civic locally with the B18 or B16 swap, whatever the hell it is with a turbo on it. He's running in the 13's.

No, his a 1997 Civic DX. With a Cam, Cam gear, CAI, MSD Ignition, Racing Clutch, short shifter, and that's what I can remember </P>


are u sure he didnt say 17 seconds? LOL</P>

haha<edited><editID>blacklabel</editID><editDate>37858.7936689815</editDate></edited>

A Civic can be fast, but they are rare. Most people who buy Civics would rather look fast than be fast. And the majority of the ppl who ownCivics that are fast still have the normal ricer attitude, which leads to them losing all the resect that they had forhaving a fast ride. Yeah, heh, I think I finally figgured the ph*ckers out!

the 04-05 stang is going to price themselve out just like the camaro....30k what I could do</P>


24 x 32 garage and</P>


with a nice 500hp fox body car inside and a tool box full of tools</P>


or a 96-98 viper</P>


mid 60's show car with super charger and trailer</P>


or the 05 stang for 30k and make the turn off the lot and take a 3-5k hit....decisions</P>


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what does that have to with what we were talking about?

i think the gt's may be a tad less then 30k. maybe 28-29k. does anyone know how much insurance this car would be?? will it go up or stay the same as a 2003 stang gt?? supposedly they are waiting for the crash rating to decide the insurance cost.

it better get a good one!

what does that have to with what we were talking about?
isnt this thread about the 05 mustang?!

yeah! But you know what? we were talking about somethine else oh well!

the 04-05 stang is going to price themselve out just like the camaro....30k what I could do</P>


24 x 32 garage and</P>


with a nice 500hp fox body car inside and a tool box full of tools</P>


or a 96-98 viper</P>


mid 60's show car with super charger and trailer</P>


or the 05 stang for 30k and make the turn off the lot and take a 3-5k hit....decisions </P>


ya we know what people could do with money, thats what you have to pay for a newer car :\</P>

it still has a newer body! :-/ I don't know hopefully it'll make up for the money in performance...and maybe (:D) they'll drop the price.

Smartest thing 2 do would be to ya know get one used.....

smart thing they should go back to a few different trim levels...like a no frills gt with 350 hp

what do you mean like noA/C ect.?</P>

<FONT size=2>2005mustang Valve gear DOHC, 4 valves per cylinder
Bore/stroke, in/mm 3.55 x 3.54/90.2 x 90
Displacement, in/mm 280.8 / 4,601
Compression ratio 8.5:1
Horsepower @ rpm 400 @ 6,000 (estimated)
Torque @ rpm 390 @ 3,500
Redline, rpm 6,500
Transmission 6-speed manual (coupe)
5-speed automatic (convertible)
Axle ratio 3.55:1
Final-drive ratio 2.24:1
Chassis
Brakes Brembo 13.8-in vented disc
Wheels (front)
(rear) 20 in x 8.5 in aluminum
20 in x 9.5 in aluminum
Tires (front)
(rear) 245/40ZR20 BFGoodrich g-force T/A
275/35ZR20 BFGoodrich g-force T/A </FONT>
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<FONT size=2>have fun reading the specs</FONT></P>


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lotsa torque~!!!

just so you guys know these are the prices for the 2005 mustangs</P>


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2005 V6 offered in the standard,delux, and premium $18,500-21,000</P>


the upper end model includes the pony package interior upgrade and mach 1000 system...\</P>


2005 GT offered in delux, and premium starting around $25,000-$33,000same as a well equiped GT in 2003 and 2004 leather and mach 460 sound system</P>


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2006 will introduce the MACH I around $30,000</P>


COBRA under $40,000 for coupe and up to $45,000 for convertable depending on the equipment...THE2006 COBRA WILL HAVE A SUPERCHARGED 5.4L V8</P>


there is also a strong rumor that FORD will bring back the BOSS mustang..</P>


and SHELBY is working with FORD to produce a SHELBY COBRA MUSTANG</P>

how much will the '05 stangs weigh?? they look pretty heavy from what i can see. hopefully they aint as heavy as my ws6.</P>

I would guess that the Mustang is going to be heavy. They look heavy. Mustangs have been getting heavier and heavier.</P>


The scary thought is that at one time Thunderbirds were small two door sports cars. Then they bloated and bloated. The final hurrah for them was the psuedo-retro iteration we see today.... How bout that retro Stang?<IMG src=smileys/smiley24.gif border="0"></P>

probably will be heavier...they do look like it. Yeah heres a thought the 4 door mustang! EEEWWW! <IMG height=22 src=smileys/smiley3.gif width=29 border="0">I guess no one knows for sure how heavy they'll be...

the 2005 is the most beautiful machine i have ever seen lol

sure it looks good! just a lil' more heavy...or at least it looks like it..

I hope ford doesn't screw this up. From the looks of it, though, I think my 92 is gonna have to find a new home. </P>

<IMG src=smileys/smiley4.gif border="0">it does look nice!